Can a team win a championship series based on random luck throughout the series?

[3ball]

1) Did the Spurs magically get hot because the basketball gods were kind?

2) Or were they simply applying more pressure than they were facing, thus gradually wining the attrition battle?


The Spurs weren't the first or last team to randomly "get hot" against the plodding Lebron-ball, because all his Finals loss ended with the opponent winning the last 3 games and running away with the series..

so all indications show that Lebron-ball doesn't apply effective pressure at the championship level to win the attrition battle against teams that are moving the ball well and applying MORE pressure - his worn-down team can't get hot as easily as the team that's handling the pressure/comfortable defensively, and therefore able to go off offensively.

[3ball]

The other thread is actually mistitled.. this is the right one

[egokiller]

After witnessing ray allen and kyrie hit 2 of the biggest shots of all time, I don

[Vino24]

No. With a stacked defense is it luck if the other team struggles to score?

Michael Jordan: 1st Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defensive
Scottie Pippen: 1st Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defensive
Dennis Rodman: 1st Team All-Defensive
Toni Kukoc: Sixth Man of the Year

[3ball]

Michael Jordan: 1st Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defensive
Scottie Pippen: 1st Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defensive
Dennis Rodman: 1st Team All-Defensive
Toni Kukoc: Sixth Man of the Year


No. With a stacked defense is it luck if the other team struggles to score?



Lebron had better rim protection



Zydrunas 2.5 blk
Mosgov 1.5 blk
Shaq 1.5 blk

Corzine 0.8 blk
Cartwright 0.5 blk



Lebron had more good bangers/rebounders



Horace
Rodman


Love
Bosh
Gooden
D Marshall
Tristan
Haslem
Zydrunas
Mosgov
Shaq
Birdman



Lebron has more athletic guards



Shumpert
JR Smith
Chalmers

Kerr
Paxson
BJ



^^^ Lebron's better rim protection, rebounders and athletic guards are why his teams had equal or better defensive ranking as Jordan's teams






Michael Jordan: 1st Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defensive
Scottie Pippen: 1st Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defensive
Dennis Rodman: 1st Team All-Defensive
Toni Kukoc: Sixth Man of the Year


The 11' Heat and 15' Cavs had the most on-paper talent since 1980, up until the 17' Warriors:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-15-2019/hYQBCO.gif


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/superteams-like-the-warriors-usually-underperform-will-the-kevin-durant-era-be-different/







Michael Jordan: 1st Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defensive
Scottie Pippen: 1st Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defensive
Dennis Rodman: 1st Team All-Defensive
Toni Kukoc: Sixth Man of the Year


how many 19/6/6 guys would be 1st-team All-NBA beside Lebron, or all NBA at all?

zero

that's how many..

MJ "made" Pippen into the piddly 18 ppg sidekick he needed to have the goat modern dynasty - no one else could've won so much with so little.

And remember that Rodman averaged 4/8 on 37% for the entire 1997 playoffs, and wasn't even the starter in the 1998 playoffs (4/8 in those Finals), while Pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 2nd three-peat playoffs - no one ever won without a PF and horrific scoring at 2nd option - only MJ did that

[Hey Yo]

After witnessing ray allen and kyrie hit 2 of the biggest shots of all time, I don’t know if any player has had more luck than Lebron James. He’d be 1/9 without those shots. There’s always an element of luck when hitting a clutch finals shot with that much pressure, and MJ’s shot in 98 contained an element of luck as well. The main difference is that MJ relied on his own clutchness/luck factor while lebron relied on teammates during an era where you aren’t even allowed to play defense. :applause:
Again....... how can you consider Kyrie's shot to be historical, when you constantly say the only reason Cavs won was due to GS fatigue and injuries?

Was Steph (Kyrie's main defender) injured and hobbled the entire series or not?

[Vino24]

Lebron had better rim protection



Zydrunas 2.5 blk
Mosgov 1.5 blk
Shaq 1.5 blk

Corzine 0.8 blk
Cartwright 0.5 blk



Lebron had more good bangers/rebounders



Horace
Rodman


Love
Bosh
Gooden
D Marshall
Tristan
Haslem
Zydrunas
Mosgov
Shaq
Birdman



Lebron has more athletic guards



Shumpert
JR Smith
Chalmers

Kerr
Paxson
BJ



^^^ Lebron's better rim protection, rebounders and athletic guards are why his teams had equal or better defensive ranking as Jordan's teams




The 11' Heat and 15' Cavs had the most on-paper talent since 1980, up until the 17' Warriors:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-15-2019/hYQBCO.gif


https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/superteams-like-the-warriors-usually-underperform-will-the-kevin-durant-era-be-different/





how many 19/6/6 guys would be 1st-team All-NBA beside Lebron, or all NBA at all?

zero

that's how many..

MJ "made" Pippen into the piddly 18 ppg sidekick he needed to have the goat modern dynasty - no one else could've won so much with so little.

And remember that Rodman averaged 4/8 on 37% for the entire 1997 playoffs, and wasn't even the starter in the 1998 playoffs (4/8 in those Finals), while Pippen averaged 17 on 41% for the entire 2nd three-peat playoffs - no one ever won without a PF and horrific scoring at 2nd option - only MJ did that
None of them 1st team all defense. Next.

[egokiller]

Again....... how can you consider Kyrie's shot to be historical, when you constantly say the only reason Cavs won was due to GS fatigue and injuries?

Was Steph (Kyrie's main defender) injured and hobbled the entire series or not?

It wouldn

[3ball]

None of them 1st team all defense. Next.
it's better to have superior rim protection, more rebounders and more athletic guards than 1 all-defender - Lebron had superior defensive help overall, which is why his defenses ranked equal or better to MJ's - his defensive help literally ranked the same or better than MJ's.

and Lebron played with more guys that had all-defense accolades anyway

[Vino24]

it's better to have superior rim protection, more rebounders and more athletic guards than 1 lone all-defender - that's why Lebron's defenses ranked equal or better to MJ's

his defensive help literally ranked the same or better than MJ's.

and Lebron played with more guys that had all-defense accolades anyway
Nope. Rodman and Pippen altered many more shots without necessarily blocking the opponent. Opponents literally feared the paint

[Wally450]

Does someone want to be the hero without the cape and go count how many threads OP had started about Lebron?

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=egokiller]It wouldn

[3ball]

Nope. Rodman and Pippen altered many more shots without necessarily blocking the opponent. Opponents literally feared the paint
No, they didn't - neither were shot-blockers

MJ never played with a single shot blocker - no one averaged more than 0.8 blocks - but Lebron played with many guys that averaged 1.5+

Lebron had more rim protection (defensive anchors), athletic guards, and rebounders, which is why his defenses ranked equal or better than MJ's

Lebron's defensive help literally ranked equal or better than MJ's

[SpaceJam2]

No. With a stacked defense is it luck if the other team struggles to score?

Michael Jordan: 1st Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defensive
Scottie Pippen: 1st Team All-NBA, 1st Team All-Defensive
Dennis Rodman: 1st Team All-Defensive
Toni Kukoc: Sixth Man of the Year


Close this thread up.

[Hey Yo]

it's better to have superior rim protection, more rebounders and more athletic guards than 1 all-defender - Lebron had superior defensive help overall, which is why his defenses ranked equal or better to MJ's - his defensive help literally ranked the same or better than MJ's.

and Lebron played with more guys that had all-defense accolades anyway
Who made All-Defense while playing with LeBron? What years were they?

[FromDowntown]

Who made All-Defense while playing with LeBron? What years were they?

He wont know he never does I'm seeing he makes stuff up and distorts a lot. Notice how he says LeBron "played with them" but this is years later. Like as if Ben Wallace in 2010 was the same as 2004. Its a dumb, manipulative premise and I dont like it.

[3ball]

Who made All-Defense while playing with LeBron? What years were they?
I said Lebron played with more guys that had defensive accolades, like Battier/Wade/Hughes/Varejao

that's 4 guys, to MJ's 3 guys

Lebron simply played with more good defenders - more guys with all-defense experience, more rebounders, more athletic guards, and more shot-blockers - this is why his defenses ranked equal or better than MJ's.. His defensive help was literally ranked the same or better

[RRR3]

Does someone want to be the hero without the cape and go count how many threads OP had started about Lebron?
I did it a while ago and iirc there were over 200 that mentioned him by name, nickname or derogatory nickname in the thread title. At least one thread wasn’t actually about him to be fair but the vast majority were. And this isn’t even counting his threads that are about LeBron but simply didn’t name him in the title or threads that got deleted. He’s made a bunch more since I did that so I would guess it’s possible he’s made over 400 threads about LeBron.

[STATUTORY]

:roll: Bran stans absolutely dread seeing "3ball" username on the front page cause they know its alway straight fire

[Hey Yo]

I said Lebron played with more guys that had defensive accolades, like Battier/Wade/Hughes/Varejao

that's 4 guys, to MJ's 3 guys

Lebron simply played with more good defenders - more guys with all-defense experience, more rebounders, more athletic guards, and more shot-blockers - this is why his defenses ranked equal or better than MJ's.. His defensive help was literally ranked the same or better
Sorry cheesedick, it don't work that way.

James played 1yr with an All-defensive player.

MJ had Pippen alone who made 8 straight.

[AirBonner]

I just made this same thread on Realgm and it was immediately deleted and banned

[3ball]

Sorry cheesedick, it don't work that way.

James played 1yr with an All-defensive player.

MJ had Pippen alone who made 8 straight.
Actually it does work that way virgin

1 defender can't make up for a team of better defenders

Lebron played with more rebounders, more athletic guards, and more shot-blockers, and more players with all-defense accolades - this is why his defenses ranked equal or better than MJ's.. His defensive help was literally ranked the same or better

[Hey Yo]

Actually it does work that way virgin

1 defender can't make up for a team of better defenders

Lebron played with more rebounders, more athletic guards, and more shot-blockers, and more players with all-defense accolades - this is why his defenses ranked equal or better than MJ's.. His defensive help was literally ranked the same or better
1 All-defender in Varejao.

No teammates won rebounding titles with James.

MJ played with Rodman for 3yrs and he led the league 3 straight years rebounding.

So that means All-NBA defenders and rebound leaders = MJ had much more defensive help. All MJ had to do was focus on scoring.

FACTS!!

[egokiller]

Of course it wouldn't matter cause you've said over and over like a broken record that GS was tired and injured.

So the % chance of him making that shot is extremely high considering GS was tired and injured like you said, correct?

It's all about the context. The % chance of him making that shot is low because it's a clutch shot in an extremely high pressure situation in a game 7 of the finals with less than a minute remaining in the game. It's unanimously considered to be one of the greatest historical and clutch shots of all time. Luck is also involved, but are you disputing that it's a historical clutch shot?

It's not Kyrie's fault that the supposed leader of the team became a deer in headlights and only contributed a shaky FT in the last 4 minutes of play despite it being against a worn down, hobbled team that had just won the WCF despite being down 3-1. At least Kyrie was capable enough to take advantage of the situation and win the game for his team while under pressure.

Lebron is what, 0-8 in clutch go ahead finals shots?

[3ball]

1 All-defender in Varejao.

No teammates won rebounding titles with James.

MJ played with Rodman for 3yrs and he led the league 3 straight years rebounding.


Again, 1 good ebounder < a team of good rebounders

MJ only played with 1 good rebounder at a time (Grant or Rodman), while Lebron played with Tristan, Love and Mosgov.... Or Varejao, Shaq and Zydrunas.... MJ's bigs were decidedly worse





So that means All-NBA defenders and rebound leaders = MJ had much more defensive help. All MJ had to do was focus on scoring.


Again, 1 all-defender and 1 good rebounder < a team of good defenders, rebounders, and more athletic guards

That's why Lebron's teams ranked equal or better in defense and rebounding