Harden is averaging almost 40ppg

[Angel Face]

And some scrubs are getting their numbers.

Points mostly end up at 120 to 130 and so on per game on opposing teams

ATG defense is being played right now in the NBA. :oldlol:

[3ball]

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MJ wouldn't face this kind of rim protection today, so he'd average 45 at least:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-08-2015/lFE09a.gif



MJ wouldn't have to score in tight spaces like this today, so he'd average 45+


https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-31-2019/66KkVF.gif



Today's game would be wide open and look more like this (except without the big waiting under rim):


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-06-2015/8H1tQ1.gif



MJ wouldn't need all the contested shot-making that made him great - it's just open threes and layups in today's beginner version of the game (spacing, hands-off defense, freedom of movement, no paint camping, flagrant fouls)

[brooks_thompson]

Mmm flagrant ghouls

[Angel Face]

NBA is so atrocious to watch right now. Its now a game of who shoots better at 3s and open lane.

[SpaceJam]

Harden >> MJ

I've seen enough

[AirBonner]

MJ didn

[Bawkish]

Harden shoots 40 FTs a game doe

[Lebron23]

And some scrubs are getting their numbers.

Points mostly end up at 120 to 130 and so on per game on opposing teams

ATG defense is being played right now in the NBA. :oldlol:
Better athletes. And better 3 points shooting.

[SaltyMeatballs]

One of the GOAT offensive players

[NBAGOAT]

Appreciate harden, his step back is like a top 10 go to move of all time. Blame previous eras for not realizing how valuable the 3 is

[3ball]

MJ didn’t have a 3pt shot in his offensive arsenal therefore Harden>>MJ
So why did he shoot better in the 1993 playoffs than Kawhi shot in the 2019 playoffs?

You forget that MJ's shot 39% on nearly 4 attempts in the 93' playoffs... He shot well in 1992 too, and shot 35.2% for the 85-93' playoffs on 2.2 attempts

So MJ had the 3-point shot - but just never used it

Btw, Harden is better at threes than mj/kawhi, but mj is better at literally everything else, so mj >>

[LAmbruh]

just imagine if he had a shortened 3pt line with your typical Hornacek's guarding him nightly



toss in a splash of illegal defense



good god

[3ball]

just imagine if he had a shortened 3pt line with your typical Hornacek's guarding him nightly



toss in a splash of illegal defense



good god
Harden wouldn't be shit without teammates spreading the floor with 30 threes a game

He'd be nothing if his teammates attempted basically zero threes a game and there was no spacing like MJ's teammates in 1987

Seriously, how many ppg for Harden if he has no spacing and hand-checking.... It's night and day obviously... A totally different sport

[Vino24]

Harden wouldn't be shit without teammates spreading the floor with 30 threes a game

He'd be nothing if his teammates attempted basically zero threes a game and there was no spacing like MJ's teammates in 1987

Seriously, how many ppg for Harden if he has no spacing and hand-checking.... It's night and day obviously... A totally different sport
He was without 4 starters last game you dunce. Harden has always done more with less than MJ

[3ball]

He was without 4 starters last game you dunce. Harden has always done more with less than MJ
Who cares - Harden wouldn't be shit without teammates spreading the floor with 30 threes a game

He'd be nothing if his teammates attempted basically zero threes a game and there was no spacing like MJ's teammates in 1987

Seriously, how many ppg for Harden if he has no spacing and hand-checking.... It's night and day obviously... A totally different sport

[Vino24]

Who cares - Harden wouldn't be shit without teammates spreading the floor with 30 threes a game

He'd be nothing if his teammates attempted basically zero threes a game and there was no spacing like MJ's teammates in 1987

Seriously, how many ppg for Harden if he has no spacing and hand-checking.... It's night and day obviously... A totally different sport
MJ wouldn

[Mr Feeny]

Sorry wheels. You already said that Lebron was 11th all time.

[Angel Face]

Better athletes. And better 3 points shooting.

Based on?

[NBAGOAT]

Based on?

Better athletes is him just throwing it out there, really hard to prove. Better shooting is easy to show. The much higher volume of attempts is on a higher percentage(I think)

[madmax]

players nowadays are just too skilled, too athletic and too good to be stopped on a regular basis...it's very unlike your basic 90's, when you had milkmen and plodding plumbers acting as a pillars on the defensive end and having your local malnourished accountant Hornacek putting up 10 ppg in the finals as a second option lol...

[Kingwillball]

players nowadays are just too skilled, too athletic and too good to be stopped on a regular basis...it's very unlike your basic 90's, when you had milkmen and plodding plumbers acting as a pillars on the defensive end and having your local malnourished accountant Hornacek putting up 10 ppg in the finals as a second option lol...

This post is ridiculously uniformed..the dream team era had some of the most skilled players the gm has ever seen. The gm has changed with the rules much like football to a softer easier time for offense to flourish. Harden also is semi manufactured as can be seen once playoffs start and refs aren

[Trollsmasher]

[QUOTE=Kingwillball]This post is ridiculously uniformed..the dream team era had some of the most skilled players the gm has ever seen. The gm has changed with the rules much like football to a softer easier time for offense to flourish. Harden also is semi manufactured as can be seen once playoffs start and refs aren

[Showtime80']

Here's a clip of Steve Nash, a guy who played from 1997 to 2014 and won two MVP's in 2006 and 07 thanks to the rule changes the NBA put in, breaking it down to a basic level and confirming how people like David Stern, Rob Thorn and Jerry Colangelo to name a few altered all the defensive rules from the late 90's to the mid 2000's to prop up the mid 90's and onward crop of flawed fundamentals, IQ deficient and AAU poisoned perimeter players who couldn't shoot above 45% FG if their life depended on it thanks to playing basketball concentrating on their athleticism above everything else. Fast forward to minute 14:38:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHN3d9bpJ-g&t=915s

Here's the excerpt:

Steve Nash says about Grant Hill and the old school game "It was a different game then. They could put two hands on you, they could forearm you, they could knock you down, it was SUPER PHYSICAL and for him to be able to do it in an era where there were less possessions and it was LIKE WRESTLING out there!!!

Bill Simmons: "And then David Stern CHANGED THE RULES so you could succeed, you were the IMPETUS!!!"

Steve Nash: "Laughs! Changed my career. It think David Stern saw me and said this poor kid, if they can put their hands on him HE'S COOKED!!!"

LOL! Harden, Curry, Dumbrook, Durant and yes even LeBald are ALL products of the NBA rule enhanced agenda and here is a two-time MVP basically blowing the lid off that "secret".

Anything that has happened beyond 2005 (when the league finally outlawed physical defense after the Pistons, Spurs and Pacers dominated for 3 straight years) is a fabrication.

[LoneyROY7]

Here's a clip of Steve Nash, a guy who played from 1997 to 2014 and won two MVP's in 2006 and 07 thanks to the rule changes the NBA put in, breaking it down to a basic level and confirming how people like David Stern, Rob Thorn and Jerry Colangelo to name a few altered all the defensive rules from the late 90's to the mid 2000's to prop up the mid 90's and onward crop of flawed fundamentals, IQ deficient and AAU poisoned perimeter players who couldn't shoot above 45% FG if their life depended on it thanks to playing basketball concentrating on their athleticism above everything else. Fast forward to minute 14:38:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHN3d9bpJ-g&t=915s

Here's the excerpt:

Steve Nash says about Grant Hill and the old school game "It was a different game then. They could put two hands on you, they could forearm you, they could knock you down, it was SUPER PHYSICAL and for him to be able to do it in an era where there were less possessions and it was LIKE WRESTLING out there!!!

Bill Simmons: "And then David Stern CHANGED THE RULES so you could succeed, you were the IMPETUS!!!"

Steve Nash: "Laughs! Changed my career. It think David Stern saw me and said this poor kid, if they can put their hands on him HE'S COOKED!!!"

LOL! Harden, Curry, Dumbrook, Durant and yes even LeBald are ALL products of the NBA rule enhanced agenda and here is a two-time MVP basically blowing the lid off that "secret".

Anything that has happened beyond 2005 (when the league finally outlawed physical defense after the Pistons, Spurs and Pacers dominated for 3 straight years) is a fabrication.

Imagine actually believing this. :oldlol: :oldlol:

Stick to your VHS tapes, bud. The rest of us will be over here, you know, evolving and shit.

[Showtime80']

Well here is Kobe and some other notable stars that BELIEVE in what Steve Nash is saying:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEyKG1jMEE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xppl33ml-zY&t=41s

Here's the master Hubie Brown throwing more dirt on the modern NBA fraud. Here's a guy that continues to get paid to cover the NBA and has spent a lifetime coaching and analyzing it and knows how ridiculously dumbed down it has become:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JttE4UT74k

Basically debating with "modern" NBA fans reminds me off when I was 10 years old and hearing lonely geeks arguing until their eyes popped out on how the WWF was a REAL SPORT!!! LOL!

The modern NBA is a dumbed down farce where the poisonous AAU has gained control of player development and forced the NBA to come up with rules to make them look better than they actually are.

Here's Steve Kerr reinforcing the point when talking about drafting Stephy Curry:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHoD9UCBgcs

Haha!

[SomeBlackDude]

players nowadays are just too skilled, too athletic and too good to be stopped on a regular basis...

except by the likes of france, serbia and australia. :lol

celtics = best record in the league, 114 ppg

celtics & other teams' stars in 90s style fiba = can't beat full time farmers from eastern europe, barely average 85 ppg

:yaohappy:

[Kingwillball]

it had some skilled players but the talent is spread over far wider ground today

lemme put it this way - top '90s guys would probably still be pretty good today... but the 3rd, 4th, 5th best players on '90s teams would be moved to the positions of 10, 11 and 12 in today's game

AI would average 30+ ppg in today

[FreezingTsmoove]

Amazing really how fans dont seem to give a damn and their opinion is justified...

This guy should be as popular as Jordan, Kobe, or Lebron but our great fans see through the BS. The traveling, flopping, disgrace to the game cant even draw big numbers for TV games yet he is scoring at a clip higher than MJ :lol

Its a shame really and he has no one to blame but himself

[SomeBlackDude]

Eras change as do rules

exactly. are there people who actually think that the beard, at 30 years old is bigger, stronger, and more athletic than he was at say 25 or 26? dude is just taking the fullest advantage of the nba's 'freedom of movement' rules of the past 2-3 seasons.

it's why nba stars get exposed badly when playing under fiba rules, which are much closer to what the nba was early '00s rule changes. no 3 sec rule, more physical, half court oriented, slow paced.

the greek freak was mvp last season, put up monster numbers... then he played in the world cup.

[QUOTE]Why was the best player in the world last season so ordinary in a signature international tournament? There are many answers to this question, but they all revolved around the same theme: [B]Antetokounmpo just isn

[Manny98]

lol at people acting like Harden wouldn't absolutely dominate in an era with no zone defense and the likes of Craig Ehlo and Jeff "the beast" Hornacek guarding you every night :oldlol:

[superduper]

lol at people acting like Harden wouldn't absolutely dominate in an era with no zone defense and the likes of Craig Ehlo and Jeff "the beast" Hornacek guarding you every night :oldlol:

If Harden tried his shit in the 90s he would get knocked the fk out so fast.

You saw what Artest did you a young Harden right? Before he was even famous for this BS?

Now imagine an entire league full of Artests.

Harden wouldn't average 10ppg in the 90s.

[Hey Yo]

[QUOTE=Kingwillball]AI would average 30+ ppg in today

[RRR3]

If Harden tried his shit in the 90s he would get knocked the fk out so fast.

You saw what Artest did you a young Harden right? Before he was even famous for this BS?

Now imagine an entire league full of Artests.

Harden wouldn't average 10ppg in the 90s.
Says the guy who

[superduper]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Says the guy who

[Manny98]

If Harden tried his shit in the 90s he would get knocked the fk out so fast.

You saw what Artest did you a young Harden right? Before he was even famous for this BS?

Now imagine an entire league full of Artests.

Harden wouldn't average 10ppg in the 90s.
You lot really exaggerate how it was in the 90s, "a league full of Artests" :lol

If 4'10 Mugsey Bogues can average a double double in that era then Harden should easily put up 30+

[brooks_thompson]

Harden is the adult version of the kid who masters the timing of M. Bison's Psycho Crusher in Street Fighter 2 and uses only that move. With a little practice, you can still win against it, but it's a ****ing slog and makes you wonder why you're playing the game in the first place, so you usually just go outside and ride bikes instead.

[Smook A.]

If Harden tried his shit in the 90s he would get knocked the fk out so fast.

You saw what Artest did you a young Harden right? Before he was even famous for this BS?

Now imagine an entire league full of Artests.

Harden wouldn't average 10ppg in the 90s.
The overexaggertion with this one is strong. A league full of Artests? Yeah, no.

Harden averaging 10 ppg in the 90s? Holy shit what a dumb thing to say. You're devaluing the **** out of him

First of all, his career average as a starter (with Houston) WITHOUT free throws is almost 21 ppg, so don't try to tell me he wouldn't be able to score even if free throws were limited. Harden's a quick, crafty guy who also happens to be really strong. I remember in 2014-15, he was hitting mid-range jumpers consistently. He could've easily implemented that shot in the 90s.

I'm not saying he'd be averaging above 35 ppg in that era. However, I am saying is that he'd still be a star probably averaging somewhere around 24-30 ppg along with his usual 7-8 apg, 5 rebounds and 2 steals.

[ImKobe]

This is the result of playing in the weakest defensive era in league history. People think we're joking when we say that Kobe or MJ would average 40-45 points a game in this era.. Harden hasn't been able to hit three well in most of these games but he's still putting up 39.5 ppg...

[Smook A.]

This is the result of playing in the weakest defensive era in league history. People think we're joking when we say that Kobe or MJ would average 40-45 points a game in this era.. Harden hasn't been able to hit three well in most of these games but he's still putting up 39.5 ppg...
Lately he's been hitting the 3 pretty well.

In the Rockets' current 7 game win streak, Harden's averaging 43/8/7 on a 45/41/81 shooting split

[ImKobe]

Lately he's been hitting the 3 pretty well.

In the Rockets' current 7 game win streak, Harden's averaging 43/8/7 on a 45/41/81 shooting split

Yeah but he was averaging like 36 a night while shooting like 20% from three the first few weeks. He's a great player don't get me wrong but he's mastered this era in terms of exploiting the rules.

[andgar923]

Old man Wizards MJ was giving the league the business.

Old man 98 season MJ was more explosive and athletic than Harden has ever been.

MJ would average 40 plus EASILY today.

[red1]

Old man Wizards MJ was giving the league the business.

Old man 98 season MJ was more explosive and athletic than Harden has ever been.

MJ would average 40 plus EASILY today.
:roll: :roll:

[StrongLurk]

Kobe and MJ would need to shoot 5-6 times more a game than Harden to get 40ppg.

Would be interesting to see them try 30+ shots per game.

[LoneyROY7]

Old man Wizards MJ was giving the league the business.

Old man 98 season MJ was more explosive and athletic than Harden has ever been.

MJ would average 40 plus EASILY today.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

What a stupid b*tch.

[Manny98]

Old man Wizards MJ was giving the league the business.

Old man 98 season MJ was more explosive and athletic than Harden has ever been.

MJ would average 40 plus EASILY today.
Imagine being this delusional :roll: :roll:

[FKAri]

Harden is the adult version of the kid who masters the timing of M. Bison's Psycho Crusher in Street Fighter 2 and uses only that move. With a little practice, you can still win against it, but it's a ****ing slog and makes you wonder why you're playing the game in the first place, so you usually just go outside and ride bikes instead.
:roll:
:applause:

[hiphopanonymous]

Appreciate harden, his step back is like a top 10 go to move of all time. Blame previous eras for not realizing how valuable the 3 is
It's a freaking travel in prior eras :oldlol: