The rules that LeBron benefits from late in his career is gonna be his downfall

[Bronbron23]

The era, style of play and rules are gonna lead to more players achieving crazy stats early in there careers. It will also allow them to play better longer. This will allow alot of guys to pass LeBron in stats. Greek and Luka are already on Pace to do it if they stay healthy.

And because stats are the most important thing they'll only need one or two chips to pass him. 30 years from now there will be at least 10 guys that will pass LeBron.

LeBron Stan's are gonna be victims of there own demise and they don't even know it:facepalm

[RRR3]

OP at least TRY to pretend to be a LeBron fan lmao. You’re slipping.

[3ball]

The era, style of play and rules are gonna lead to more players achieving crazy stats early in there careers. It will also allow them to play better longer. This will allow alot of guys to pass LeBron in stats. Greek and Luka are already on Pace to do it if they stay healthy.

And because stats are the most important thing they'll only need one or two chips to pass him. 30 years from now there will be at least 10 guys that will pass LeBron.

LeBron Stan's are gonna be victims of there own demise and they don't even know it:facepalm
Excellent

Winning doesn't matter - that's lebron's legacy - so the stats will be king, and the easier rules will allow everyone to pass him

Passes the logic test... : confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

Bro, you can't be serious with such a horrendous take. We'll see if there's even one player in the next 30 years that's able to match a resume of 4 MVP's, 3 FMVP's, 15 All-NBA Team's, near the top of several statistical categories etc.

There's literally only a handful of players that have managed to match LeBron in any of those, but nah, at least 10 players are going to surpass that :oldlol:

[Manny98]

You need to retire this alt bruh :lol

[3ball]

Bro, you can't be serious with such a horrendous take. We'll see if there's even one player in the next 30 years that's able to match a resume of 4 MVP's, 3 FMVP's, 15 All-NBA Team's, near the top of several statistical categories etc.

There's literally only a handful of players that have managed to match LeBron in any of those, but nah, at least 10 players are going to surpass that :oldlol:
Nonsense - any great player would've gone 3/4 with Wade/Bosh

In 2010, Wade was #2 in PER, VORP, BPM, and WS/48 - so lebron teamed up with the #2 player in the league (kobe's equal) and you're acting like Lebron's accomplishments are all-world.. :rolleyes: .. unreal

His winning is only a function of team-hopping to play with the best young studs in the league - how am I wrong - so his stats are all that matter, and they will be easily surpassed due to rule changes (and no one really cares about MVP's, i.e. Shaq is top 5 with 1.. people say lebron is the best but he hasn't been MVP in 7 years)

[SouBeachTalents]

Nonsense - any great player would've gone 3/4 with Wade/Bosh

In 2010, Wade was #2 in PER, VORP, BPM, and WS/48 - so lebron teamed up with the #2 player in the league (kobe's equal) and you're acting like Lebron's accomplishments are all-world.. :rolleyes: .. unreal

His winning is only a function of team-hopping to play with the best young studs in the league - how am I wrong - so his stats are all that matter, and they will be easily surpassed due to rule changes (and no one really cares about MVP's, i.e. Shaq is top 5 with 1.. people say lebron is the best but he hasn't been MVP in 7 years)
I don't think winning in 2012 & 2013 is as guaranteed as you make it out to be, but that's not an argument I wish to see play out for the 500th time. And what Wade was in 2010 is irrelevant to the shell of the player he became by the 2013/2014 playoffs

And you can't just dismiss LeBron's MVP/FMVP count when his peers in those categories are among literally only the greatest players of all time

4+ MVP's: Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Russell
3+ FMVP's: Jordan, Shaq, Duncan, Magic

Finally, I've seen you make like 4 different rankings, NONE of which have ever had Shaq top 5. And you can't downplay LeBron's titles then have Durant in your top 10 all time

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13565598&postcount=1

[Bronbron23]

Bro, you can't be serious with such a horrendous take. We'll see if there's even one player in the next 30 years that's able to match a resume of 4 MVP's, 3 FMVP's, 15 All-NBA Team's, near the top of several statistical categories etc.

There's literally only a handful of players that have managed to match LeBron in any of those, but nah, at least 10 players are going to surpass that :oldlol:
Ok so then u agree mj is better then? You can't have both ways. Mj has all the above and more but LeBron stans just harp on stats because it fits there narrative. When it dosnt fit there narrative they go to chips, fmvp's and other accolades.

Im actually a LeBron fan. I defend him all the time on here. I just don't worship him and I happen to think mj was better. When it comes to Kobe I'm on the fence between him and bron

[RRR3]

“LeBron fan”

“Kobe is better”









:yaohappy:

[STATUTORY]

Excellent point.

We already saw a little bit of this with Durant. KD forming super team with warriors was a direct response to Lebron's collusion.

[SouBeachTalents]

Ok so then u agree mj is better then? You can't have both ways. Mj has all the above and more but LeBron stans just harp on stats because it fits there narrative. When it dosnt fit there narrative they go to chips, fmvp's and other accolades.

Im actually a LeBron fan. I defend him all the time on here. I just don't worship him and I happen to think mj was better. When it comes to Kobe I'm on the fence between him and bron
That has literally NOTHING to do with your OP :lol I didn't say anything about Jordan or where he ranks in comparison to LeBron. I was disputing your insane hypothesis that at least 10 other players are going to match LeBron's resume when there hasn't even been 10 since the NBA's inception that have managed to do so

[3ball]

I don't think winning in 2012 & 2013 is as guaranteed as you make it out to be, but that's not an argument I wish to see play out for the 500th time. And what Wade was in 2010 is irrelevant to the shell of the player he became by the 2013/2014 playoffs

And you can't just dismiss LeBron's MVP/FMVP count when his peers in those categories are among literally only the greatest players of all time

4+ MVP's: Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Russell
3+ FMVP's: Jordan, Shaq, Duncan, Magic

Finally, I've seen you make like 4 different rankings, NONE of which have ever had Shaq top 5. And you can't downplay LeBron's titles then have Durant in your top 10 all time

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13565598&postcount=1
No one like Bird or Kobe is losing to an inexperienced Thunder team with prime Wade and Bosh as sidekicks... It's just impossible.. even if they did, they would've won in 2011 so that offsets it...

And teams are normally down 3-0 when the star averages 16 on 39% like lebron did thru 3 games of the 13' Finals, so it's a testament to the cast that they were only down 2-1 and still had a chance... Furthermore, many guys would be up 3-0 in that spot, or at least 2-1 because they'd do better than 16 on 39% (guys like bird/kobe would kill the Spurs if they sagged off their jumper).. ultimately, a lot of guys would do better than Lebron's 23 on 43% thru 6 games, and therefore not need Ray to force game 7.. the heat infact lost with lebron on the floor in the 13' Finals (he was a net negative)

Btw, you seem to forget that the biggest reason the Heat never reached their potential is because Bosh was crushed in bron-ball - those heat should've been juggernauts every year - a non-peak Wade should've been no problem because just activate Bosh .. but they couldn't because Bosh was reduced to spot-up shooter

And regarding Wade - are you saying Lebron needs 27 a game from peak Wade to win? Because Wade's 20/5/5 on 48% in the 13' Finals and 14' ECF is better than most 2nd options.. like, since when is 20/5/5 not enough help? You simply nitpick the cast for ANY lebron loss or struggle - so 20/5/5 isn't enough because it isn't Wade's prime? What kind of logic is that?

Regarding Shaq, I was talking about other people's rankings... many have him in the top 5, so it's completely fine to say he's top 5
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[Bronbron23]

That has literally NOTHING to do with your OP :lol I didn't say anything about Jordan or where he ranks in comparison to LeBron. I was disputing your insane hypothesis that at least 10 other players are going to match LeBron's resume when there hasn't even been 10 since the NBA's inception that have managed to do so
But the rules haven't been like this in a long time. Theres scrubs like D'Angelo Russell who can score 25 a night. He wouldn't get close to that in any other era. From here on out you will absolutely see multiple guys putting up LeBron like stats on a year to year basis. The pace of play and rules makes it inevitable. Time will tell but I'm willing to bet I'll be right

[eliteballer]

:oldlol:

[SpaceJam2]

[QUOTE=RRR3]OP at least TRY to pretend to be a LeBron fan lmao. You

[Celtics 1825]

Its 3ball...

Another 3balt
3ball made a fake Bran stan account? Jeez he really is obsessed

[SpaceJam2]

3ball made a fake Bran stan account? Jeez he really is obsessed


Dude is beyond bonkers

[LoneyROY7]

Its 3ball...

Another 3balt

That makes too much sense.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[scuzzy]

Its 3ball...

Another 3balt
:lol

[SpaceJam2]

:lol

:lol


The gig is up OP

[Lebron23]

Nope. Only Kareem, and Malone have better longevity than LeBron. And LeBron would surpass them in points.

[Lebron23]

Dude is beyond bonkers
The dude is 43 years old.

[Lebron23]

Bro, you can't be serious with such a horrendous take. We'll see if there's even one player in the next 30 years that's able to match a resume of 4 MVP's, 3 FMVP's, 15 All-NBA Team's, near the top of several statistical categories etc.

There's literally only a handful of players that have managed to match LeBron in any of those, but nah, at least 10 players are going to surpass that :oldlol:
Op is a known kobetard. Bronny, Luca, trae, emoni bates would surpass Kobe.

[StrongLurk]

Chips/Finals MVPs will most likely have the most "staying power" for any basketball players legacy because they are more situational and thus, harder to replicate. They are also more "spectacular" in a sense, but again this is highly TEAM relevant moreso than just one player.

Lebron's biggest legacy blunder is clearly 2011...if he won a ring/FMVP there, he would be undisputed second best player ever.

However, "stats", ALL-NBA teams, MVPs are all massively important as well. It's "easier" to get those kind of awards because they are mostly individual, while rings are VERY MUCH team based. These kind of awards however are more important in ranking all time players clearly compared to "rings" because of this dichotomy.

So OP is clearly wrong since matching Lebron's stats/individual awards will still be incredibly difficult, and if they are matched then guys like Kobe, Bird, Olajawon, Duncan etc. will obviously be passed FIRST before Lebron.

Lebron's "downfall" will be him going from 3rd best player ever to 4th...wow how terrible.

[AlternativeAcc.]

The dude is 43 years old.
Holy shit

good work man.


Any info on his family history? He seems to be a true recluse - can't find much personal info on him

[Lebron23]

Holy shit

good work man.


Any info on his family history? He seems to be a true recluse - can't find much personal info on him
He posted a video of him playing with his son. I feel Bad for his family instead of finding a decent job he is trolling in an NBA forum.