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3ball
11-19-2019, 11:01 PM
PG Curry
SG Jordan
SF Durant
PF Bird
C Garnett

Bench: Kobe, Pierce


PG Magic
SG Harden
SF Luka
PF Lebron
C Giannis

Bench: Oscar, Westbrook



So the first group are guys that can seamlessly switch from ball-handling/play-creating roles to the shooter role (and vice versa), while the 2nd group are primarily ball-handlers who remain in that role (centers don't really play either role, but I tried to pick guys that fit closest with these roles)

Which group would be a better team?
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Turbo Slayer
11-19-2019, 11:02 PM
2nd group, of course. No debate. :confusedshrug:

bigkingsfan
11-19-2019, 11:04 PM
Team A is missing Pippen, so B easily.

3ball
11-19-2019, 11:11 PM
2nd group, of course. No debate. :confusedshrug:
How would the 2nd group develop chemistry - they're all elite on-ball, but not off-ball

There's only 1 ball

Seems that the 1st unit would have more better chemistry, brand of ball and team

This shows the hole in the ball-handler's game vs the combo guys - this is why the combo guys are better - a wider skillset, not just on-ball

Turbo Slayer
11-19-2019, 11:16 PM
How would the 2nd group develop chemistry - they're all elite on-ball, but not off-ball

There's only 1 ball

Seems that the 1st unit would have more better chemistry, brand of ball and team

This shows the hole in the ball-handler's game vs the combo guys - this is why the combo guys are better - a wider skillset, not just on-ball
sure...ok OP :oldlol:

superduper
11-19-2019, 11:16 PM
Second group is missing alpha scorers like Wade and Kyrie so group one wins ez pz

Smoke117
11-19-2019, 11:18 PM
This isn't even fair. You gave Jordan's team the way better bench. Oscar Robertson? You can't just throw in a guy from the 60s and 70s. He'd be terrible compared to all these other guys from the modern era. That idiot Westbrook? Kobe and Kawhi are obviously much much much better. Luka also has no business up with these guys right now. Team A gets Durant and Team B gets a second year player? That's fair.

3ball
11-19-2019, 11:19 PM
sure...ok OP :oldlol:
The ring count tells the story

The first group has a lot more rings for that exact reason - they can play with any player type, while ball-dominators don't mix

3ball
11-19-2019, 11:27 PM
This isn't even fair. You game Jordan's team the way better bench. Oscar Robertson? You can just throw in a guy from the 60s and 70s. That idiot Westbrook? Kobe and Kawhi are obviously much much much better.
Ok just consider the starters

The reality is that 2nd group would suck - 5 ball-dominators on the court at the same time??? That simply wouldn't work

This thread was supposed to show how the ball-dominators are flawed because they lack the skills to play with each other/compliment each other, while the combo guys fit together because they can play on-ball and off

pretty simple really, but oh well, I tried

Like, ball-handlers NEED shooters - that's a weakness - whereas the combo guys can be the shooter themselves and have a teammate handle the rock - they can play off each other and the ball-handler team can't..

we saw it with Wade/Lebron - both guys needed shooters around them, which neither guy provided each other, so they didn't fit well

Smoke117
11-19-2019, 11:35 PM
Ok just consider the starters

The reality is that 2nd group would suck - 5 ball-dominators on the court at the same time??? That simply wouldn't work

This thread was supposed to show how the ball-dominators are flawed because they lack the skills to play with each other/compliment each other, while the combo guys fit together because they can play on-ball and off

pretty simple really, but oh well, I tried

Like, ball-handlers NEED shooters - that's a weakness - whereas the combo guys can be the shooter themselves and have a teammate handle the rock - they can play off each other and the ball-handler team can't..

we saw it with Wade/Lebron - both guys needed shooters around them, which neither guy provided each other, so they didn't fit well

No fukking shit. Of course you don't want a bunch of ball dominant guys on one team. When you do match ups like this you are supposed to make the teams somewhat stylistically similar . Obviously Team A would play better when they have more multi faceted players. You make a perfect team vs a flawed team and then ask who would win like ithere's some kind of point to all this. That doesn't make those players necessarily better, but obviously they would play better together.

SouBeachTalents
11-19-2019, 11:37 PM
Damn, how much help does Jordan need to beat LeBron

tanibanana
11-19-2019, 11:42 PM
Hahaha... Even in making a fantasy line-up Jordan gets a stacked one.
Kobe playing bench? While Harden is starting on the other team.. pretty well balanced... :facepalm

3ball
11-19-2019, 11:52 PM
Hahaha... Even in making a fantasy line-up Jordan gets a stacked one.
Kobe playing bench? While Harden is starting on the other team.. pretty well balanced... :facepalm
Ignore the bench then, or take MJ off and start Kobe

Regardless, a team of combo guys would always beat a team of ball-handlers because the ball-handlers lack the skill to play with each other (no off-ball)

Basically, combo guys > ball-dominators, which is why they win more... :confusedshrug:

SpaceJam
11-20-2019, 01:44 AM
Team A is missing Pippen, so B easily.

Zing.

DaHeezy
11-20-2019, 12:11 PM
Switch Jordan with Lebron and ask this question again

DaHeezy
11-20-2019, 12:13 PM
How would the 2nd group develop chemistry - they're all elite on-ball, but not off-ball

There's only 1 ball

Seems that the 1st unit would have more better chemistry, brand of ball and team

This shows the hole in the ball-handler's game vs the combo guys - this is why the combo guys are better - a wider skillset, not just on-ball

Lol. OP makes a A v B post and scorns people for choosing B.
Agenda threads at their finest

StrongLurk
11-20-2019, 12:15 PM
OP, switch Durant and Lebron for teams.

Now, which team wins in that case?

Manny98
11-20-2019, 12:31 PM
Jordans team is stacked through the ceiling with GOAT level talent whilst LeBron has a teenager in his starting lineup and a Power Forward playing Center :oldlol:

FKAri
11-20-2019, 01:59 PM
Lebron

r0drig0lac
11-20-2019, 02:04 PM
the Jordan team

zeerghit
11-20-2019, 02:13 PM
No Pippen? easy b, EASY

jayfan
11-20-2019, 02:50 PM
Whichever team has Jordan.



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Ainosterhaspie
11-20-2019, 03:11 PM
Team A
Iverson
Kobe
Jordan
Carmelo
KAT

Team B
CP3
Logo
King
Fundamental
Dream

Ooh, look. I can create bogus comparisons too.