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Kblaze8855
11-20-2019, 09:15 AM
You wake up at 9. You go to a shoot around at 10:30 where a local business provides all your favorite lunch and breakfast foods for free. You dont have a full practice since you have a game tonight. You are rubbed down and tended to by among the best trainers on earth. You work up a mild sweat shooting then go back home for a nap before the game. You go to the arena about 5 where once more a small army of trainers and gofers tend to all your needs. You are given the new shoes you requested and go play for 31 minutes spread over 2 hours of commercial beaks, timeouts, challenges, free throws, half times and so on. After the game the army of medical staff prepare your ice bath, cryonic chamber, or whatever you feel keeps you at peak performance. Then the tough part of your day comes...

You grab yet another free meal of whatever it is you tell them to have ready before a 16 minute bus ride to get on a gigantic custom private plane built by Delta specifically to accommodate your unusual size. You sleep or watch film on a tablet for an hour and ten minute flight before getting off and going to the hotel on the road where the following accommodations await:




The housekeeping staff sets the stage for the Rockets' visit. If NBA teams arrive after dark, shades are drawn and lights are left on. "It's important that they're not on display for everyone when they walk in," says assistant executive housekeeper Mary Odom. Housekeepers also lay out an extra-tall giraffe-print robe on each bed and a special Rockets' room service menu on the side table.


Sundberg lifting a chair during staging. "Staging" begins as the staff sets up a special pre-registration table alongside the front desk, something akin to where you'd find your seating card at a wedding. On the table rest alphabetized envelopes, each printed with the name of a member of the Rockets' traveling party. James Harden, Dwight Howard, Ty Lawson (now with the Indiana Pacers) and Josh Smith are missing -- they're under aliases we'll protect in this feature. While envelopes are being arranged, Sundberg and four members of his staff begin clearing out furniture to make room for all the incoming luggage, which will be set in the gallery area, an alcove off the lobby that Sundberg's crew will use as a transfer point between the bus and the room.


A text from Rockets equipment manager Tony Nila: "Just landed." The team's initial ETA had been 11:50 p.m., but their game in Utah went to overtime. The Rockets' bus and their accompanying truck carrying baggage and gear pull up at the Monaco Portland. Sundberg and his crew kick into action. Typically, bellhops at the Monaco Portland are encouraged to be congenial with guests when they arrive. "How was your trip? Where are you coming from? What brings you to Portland?" But when NBA teams arrive, you suspend the chit-chat, especially when they arrive late at night. For the next half-hour, Sundberg runs a distribution center in the gallery. Personal luggage and training equipment are tagged and marked with a corresponding room number. All that stuff is then stacked onto trolleys according to floor. Team equipment and gear that never needs to see the inside of a hotel room goes into the fire control room on the lobby level.


Montrezl Harrell, left, and Ty Lawson roughhouse in the hallway. Players rarely occupy more than one-third of a team's block of rooms. The coaching staff is good for eight rooms, while the training and equipment staff claim another 10 or so, as do broadcasters and their production crew. That still leaves public relations, the team's director of security, possibly the general manager, owners or top brass from the business side.


The kitchen gets its first room service call, for chicken Alfredo. Hotel Monaco assembles a special 24-hour room service menu emblazoned with the visiting team's logo based on its own crowdsourcing of NBA players' requests over the years. "Chicken fingers are a must," says Jones. "They also love pasta with Alfredo sauce and burgers. They travel constantly and likely just want something that reminds them of home."


Team and staff members of the Houston Rockets gather in the hallway of Hotel Monaco Portland in advance of a team breakfast on Feb. 24. Whether they prepare them in-house or forage for food from an off-site restaurant, the staff at the hotel arranges the lion's share of meals for the team during its stay.


Sundberg, joking here with Jason Terry, has had opportunities to rise in the ranks of Kimpton Hotels, the boutique chain that owns and operates the Monaco Portland. But he says that he's more than happy to remain in the position he has held for close to two decades, during which time he has essentially grown up with the NBA players he serves.


K.J. McDaniels is 6-6. To accommodate NBA players like him, many Hotel Monaco rooms have beds that are 95 inches long -- 12 inches longer than standard, and showerheads that are 8 inches taller than the standard 6 feet. "I'm 6-7 and like to sleep diagonally," says Rockets forward Trevor Ariza.


NBA players draw NBA fanatics, which means Sundberg and his crew have to keep the autograph-seekers at bay. "They're always aware of who's coming and going," Sundberg says. "They'll be parked in their cars waiting for the bus to arrive. They know the routine -- a team usually leaves for shootaround about 10:30 and return around 1. Some of them track the team flights." Sundberg makes a practice of not being a jerk, but he makes it known that they're not to traipse in and out of the hotel to use the bathroom or help themselves to the complimentary happy hour. "It's a matter of being tactful with them, but letting them know I need to make sure players can come and go from the hotel without being harassed."

You have a 130 dollar daily per diem to eat on the road(even though the team still provides food)


You have yet another shootaround in the morning and play 29 minutes that night then fly home for 3 days.


Can you imagine doing this at a rate of about 130 thousand dollars per hour of PT....and calling your job and saying you cant do it tonight because you did it yesterday?

What activity would wear you out so much...you couldnt do 30 minutes of it spread over 2 hours back to back days? I think I could do actual slave labor in a mine shaft at gunpoint for 30 consecutive minutes back to back days without too many physical issues given those accommodations and staff even without the money. I wont even require the giraffe print custom sized silk robes.

There isnt much to say about the load management issue that has not been said so the specifics arent really my concern....

Im just wondering where the switch flips from just being a basketball guy who plays for hours at a time to needing this level of pampering to just show up. We all would play for nothing. Id pay them just to travel like that and not get into games. I honestly cant imagine reaching a place I would ask not to play. Id need a "Love of the game" waiver like MJ so I could play anytime I wanted without fearing for my contract if I get hurt.

Kblaze8855
11-20-2019, 09:15 AM
I dont really care to go into the specific player issue that much since its been so covered....what I wanna know is about you personally.

Have you ever done any physical activity that you couldnt do in 30 minute bursts every single day given those levels of care?

I could probably go build pyramids swinging double sledge hammers cracking rocks for the Pharaoh for the minutes these guys play.

Is there any other section of humanity that requires as much rest to stay performing at near peak potential?

So my question isnt about Leonard or....fixes or whatever. Not about who you think is soft.

Im asking about you personally. The most taxing physical activity you ever did....

Could you do it in 4 minute bursts for no more than 35-40 minutes 4 times a week and be at peak potential the whole time given the level of care these guys get and a reasonable practice schedule of similar activity to keep you in shape?

I had a job taking bags of 60-80 pound mortar up a ladder. And I was a kid. In the summer in north carolina. Sun up to sun down. If I had to do it in bursts as short as NBA games I think id have been 100% every day. With no pre existing injury....

Is there anything you have ever done you couldnt do near peak level back to back days? Isnt it amazing how much NBA games apparently take out of these guys? And there is an observable difference in performance you can track. Part of it is age im sure. As many of you will learn soon when you hurt something at 22....it gets better. Shit you hurt at 35 stays hurt forever. So thats part of it I guess....it just feels....weird. Even the guys giving all they have arent like....running suicides in a weighted vest or anything. Its a reasonable physical activity. Nothing cruel or unusual. And it just takes the life right out of you...apparently.

A lot of it has to be the evolving standards of what "OK" feels like when you get used to the comforts of the NBA....and we just cant really understand it. But I wish I could.

The whole league cant be soft.....

Those games must be tougher than they look....right?

Are they playing THAT much harder than we all did for hours at a time? No matter what youre paid its still work. The mental aspect of having to get up and do it even if you dont feel like it is there no doubt. I dont know....

The shit just bugs me. Being so utterly wiped out after an nba game you cant do another one soon just doesnt compute to me. And I feel like im probably being too hard on the players because of it. Like I said....they cant ALL be *******.

Andrei89
11-20-2019, 10:18 AM
:biggums:

Real Men Wear Green
11-20-2019, 10:24 AM
A lifetime ago I ran stadiums. **** that shit.

Kblaze8855
11-20-2019, 10:31 AM
A lifetime ago I ran stadiums. **** that shit.


Thats just it.....

We all did things we assume were harder than playing an NBA game.

In HS football they had us run hills holding weights. I had a job building pallets of bricks from demolished buildings 600 at a time. Shit that would just destroy you.

If I only had to do it for 30-40 minutes though? Even without breaks....thats light work. I could do it every single day...

But....theres what we feel...and the real world.

Maybe 25 years of basketball daily wipes out your knees in a way we dont grasp having all gotten real jobs at some point?

I dont know. I just feel like theres an answer beyond "They sawft".

ralph_i_el
11-20-2019, 10:42 AM
I wrote a post about this a while back. As a teen I did 2-a-days (swimming in the AM, water polo after school), and traveled by carpool to play 4 games of water polo a weekend on the road. I would play about 20 minutes a match (32 minute matches), for over an hour of play a weekend. Water polo is more physically exhausting and violent than basketball.

I don't understand how these guys sitting out games helps them play better or avoid injury. Why not just work out less if you want to save energy? Are these guys not running everyday?

I'm getting mad just thinking about it. I want to rip off my tie, run away from my desk, and work up a sweat.

Real Men Wear Green
11-20-2019, 10:47 AM
I just feel like theres an answer beyond "They sawft".
Of course there is: "They don't have to." You did what you did for your HS football team because at the least you wanted to play and had to concern yourself with being better than the kid beside you. Maybe you also thought you had some talent that could be developed and you could go far with it. So you bust your ass. Kahi Leonard on the other had can never get another NBA check and still live a ife of comparitive luxury even if he did get himself five baby mommas and jewelry and whatever other foolishness (and he has a reputation for being frugal). You thow in that he has a fully guaranteed contract that will pay him hundred+ million dollars and the team is fully on board with the load management and he just doesn't have to bust his hump the way normal people do.

If he was like a player in the 50s that had to work a job in the offseason and his team was demanding he play 48 minutes a night so that they sell tickets he'd do it and maybe have to retire at the age of 29.

Shogon
11-20-2019, 11:05 AM
If Kawhi wasn

warriorfan
11-20-2019, 12:05 PM
[QUOTE=Shogon]If Kawhi wasn

Shogon
11-20-2019, 12:28 PM
:roll:

It has been an awfully long time...if things don’t heal up properly in a full year or year in a half....chances are it’s not coming back

It’s not coming back.

He has some sort of condition he isn’t disclosing. He’s a selfish prick.


But there’s no way he’s sitting out as many games as he is this early into the season to save himself for the playoffs. He’s also a hard worker and in incredible shape so we no it’s not that he’s lazy. He’s also young so it isn’t age. He’s also obviously a pretty strong competitor so it’s not lack of engagement. What does that leave? Injury.


He is permanently disabled to some degree that really flares up when he plays too much too quickly... we saw it in the playoffs. He was physically falling apart for no reason in front of our eyes.

He is injured and he will never be the same.

He should just try being a decent human being and coming out honestly with it rather than being such a secretive shut off. Just be ****ing honest about what it is so people(fans) don’t waste time and money on you.

Kblaze8855
11-20-2019, 07:00 PM
[QUOTE=Shogon]If Kawhi wasn

Meticode
11-20-2019, 07:02 PM
Kblaze do you find yourself in life over-explaining yourself a lot? I mean, if there was a term for you on ISH it would definitely be Wall of Texter. I don't read almost anything you post anymore because it runs on and isn't to the point.

red1
11-20-2019, 07:12 PM
You wake up at 9. You go to a shoot around at 10:30 where a local business provides all your favorite lunch and breakfast foods for free. You dont have a full practice since you have a game tonight. You are rubbed down and tended to by among the best trainers on earth. You work up a mild sweat shooting then go back home for a nap before the game. You go to the arena about 5 where once more a small army of trainers and gofers tend to all your needs. You are given the new shoes you requested and go play for 31 minutes spread over 2 hours of commercial beaks, timeouts, challenges, free throws, half times and so on. After the game the army of medical staff prepare your ice bath, cryonic chamber, or whatever you feel keeps you at peak performance. Then the tough part of your day comes...

You grab yet another free meal of whatever it is you tell them to have ready before a 16 minute bus ride to get on a gigantic custom private plane built by Delta specifically to accommodate your unusual size. You sleep or watch film on a tablet for an hour and ten minute flight before getting off and going to the hotel on the road where the following accommodations await:





You have a 130 dollar daily per diem to eat on the road(even though the team still provides food)


You have yet another shootaround in the morning and play 29 minutes that night then fly home for 3 days.


Can you imagine doing this at a rate of about 130 thousand dollars per hour of PT....and calling your job and saying you cant do it tonight because you did it yesterday?

What activity would wear you out so much...you couldnt do 30 minutes of it spread over 2 hours back to back days? I think I could do actual slave labor in a mine shaft at gunpoint for 30 consecutive minutes back to back days without too many physical issues given those accommodations and staff even without the money. I wont even require the giraffe print custom sized silk robes.

There isnt much to say about the load management issue that has not been said so the specifics arent really my concern....

Im just wondering where the switch flips from just being a basketball guy who plays for hours at a time to needing this level of pampering to just show up. We all would play for nothing. Id pay them just to travel like that and not get into games. I honestly cant imagine reaching a place I would ask not to play. Id need a "Love of the game" waiver like MJ so I could play anytime I wanted without fearing for my contract if I get hurt.
:oldlol:





you guys are right regarding kawhi and load management. he supposedly has a degenerative tendon in his right quad or knee. it'll never heal or get better all they can do is manage the rest of his career.

Shogon
11-20-2019, 07:19 PM
I think that’s the conclusion I’ve come to. I’ve hit the acceptance point in my grief over the state of basketball. The more I think on it....these guys sitting probably ARE hurt. They are Walton’s, Roses, Roy’s, and Pennys who probably should have been limited for the greater good.

Every era has a bunch of them. Maybe this era will be the one teams actually find them in advance and do the right thing.

The nba player life is too good....they are too well taken care of....and these guys love to play.

The issue may really be as simple as the load managers....all truly being hurt in some way that such maintenance is needed.

And if that’s the case....if guys who would otherwise be a cautionary tale are having long careers?

We probably all need to have a coke and a smile and shut the **** up right?

Basically. We do.

I'm ok with Kawhi sitting... but there is a huge caveat to that... the thing is... the players need to disclose this shit. It's not fair to the fans to invest time and money only to be shafted after the fact because they weren't sure if someone would play or not. If someone legitimately has an injury that takes them out, ok, that's life. But if someone has a medical condition that they're not disclosing and I lose my money trying to see him because he didn't disclose it, that is a HUGE dickhead move and beyond incredibly selfish.


That aside, if I were an opposing coach in the playoffs? I'm getting my offense in a position to have a much bigger guy posting Kawhi up over and over and over. He will fold. There is no amount of load management that will solve his problem with a situation such as that.

Kblaze8855
11-20-2019, 07:19 PM
Kblaze do you find yourself in life over-explaining yourself a lot? I mean, if there was a term for you on ISH it would definitely be Wall of Texter. I don't read almost anything you post anymore because it runs on and isn't to the point.


I find myself explaining things in detail when someone expects it. The people around me expect it and bring up weird shit to see where it goes. Everyone seems to think I either never stop talking or that I don’t speak at all. People take my silence personal....when what it really is....is me not wanting to **** with people. I figure people looking for 4 uninterrupted minutes of my theories on how a vampire might maintain an erection without blood pressure will come start that conversation. They don’t need me just running up with it.

People know where to go for something off the wall to get the morning going and if they don’t come for it....I don’t impose it.

Works out well.

The people who like me tend to love me. I don’t think the rest hate me....I just keep myself at a distance from those not actively seeking my style of conversation out.

Meticode
11-20-2019, 07:23 PM
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I find myself explaining things in detail when someone expects it. The people around me expect it and bring up weird shit to see where it goes. Everyone seems to think I either never stop talking or that I don

72-10
11-20-2019, 07:23 PM
That's the order I eat them in - lunch, then breakfast.

Xiao Yao You
11-20-2019, 07:24 PM
[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I think that

ImKobe
11-20-2019, 07:57 PM
Kawhi isn't that healthy bro.. he was on load management last season and you could clearly see him limping through the Playoffs.

brooks_thompson
11-20-2019, 09:09 PM
First, the reason why Kawhi doesn’t want to admit what is wrong with him is because the Spurs were right all along...he has a degenerative condition and sits out according to his pain threshold. It’s something he couldn’t come to terms with at first in SA (admittedly it would be tough to find out you’re never gonna be 100% again), which contributed to the rift and his seeking out of doctor after doctor.

I don’t play anymore, but I played in college 2-3 days a week for 3-4 hours at a time, full-court five on five. And I was one of those dorks who played hard in pickup. That’s still not as intense as an NBA game on a possession by possession basis....but when you consider these dudes only have to play 4 minutes max without a breather, and there are plenty of stoppages within those 4 minute bursts, it starts to seem ridiculous at all the fuss over minutes played and back to backs.

Hell, I went for an office job at a steel warehouse and they liked me but didn’t have anything so they put me in the warehouse. Manual labor, 12 hour days. And the dudes with seniority got all the forklift work. So pretty much straight lifting and binding all day. I was busting my ass harder than any NBA player trying to keep up with the hosses I was working with for at least 8-9 hours solid of that 12 hours every single day. Early on I had to take a break (you know, as per OSHA rules) after a couple straight hours of busting ass and got my ass reamed out and told if it happened again I was fired.

brooks_thompson
11-20-2019, 09:12 PM
Damn, kblaze has me writing essays now

baudkarma
11-21-2019, 01:49 AM
Let's say I want to drive from Miami to Oakland. I own a 2006 Honda CRV. It's got 100,000 plus miles on it, but I've taken reasonably good care of it and I think it could make the trip with no problems. It's a sturdy, reliable vehicle.

Now, let's say that I also could choose to drive a NASCAR racer to make the trip. That car probably costs 20X what I paid for my Honda, it's a finely tuned racing machine with the latest technology behind it. Could it go from Florida to Cali without breaking down? Probably not. It's designed for speed, not for reliability. It's a specialized vehicle. But at the same time, my CRV would not do terribly well in a NASCAR race.

People are the same way. Most of us are destined for utility, not for specialized use. Pro athletes are different. They're bigger, taller, faster, stronger, quicker, whatever -er you want. They perform at a higher level, but they break down more frequently, and require more maintenance. Granted, that is not true of all pro athletes, there are plenty of examples of workhorses out there. But most of them are finely tuned machines that require regular maintenance.

iamgine
11-21-2019, 02:15 AM
On top of playing 3-4 times a week and traveling all the time, don't they all also have practices, shooting drills, cardio, weight training, warm ups, little nagging injuries, etc. Not to mention their average body h/w is 6'7 and 220 lbs and since everything is switched now, they are forced to guard quick guards. Is anyone here lugging that much weight at that speed?