3 obvious reasons why MJ > Lebron that don't include stats or ring count

[3ball]

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Reason #1


Jordan must be doubled here with the game on the line:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2019/P-Odup.gif



Lebron doesn't require a double and relies on teammates:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-18-2019/tBDdtZ.gif



Reason #2


Jordan's on-ball/off-ball skillset > Lebron's on-ball skillset

Jordan's on-ball/off-ball skillset fits with any teammate or system = higher brand and team ceiling.. Lebron's on-ball skillset only fits well with shooters = lower brand and team ceiling.



Reason #3


due to reasons #1 and 2 above, MJ never lost as the favorite or when it was considered even, while Lebron lost 4 times when expected to win
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[SpaceJam2]

1-9

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1-9

[LAmbruh]

1-9

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1-9

Nice!

[ShawkFactory]

You have like 9 threads that you

[SpaceJam2]

LBJ playoffs ranks

Points 1st
VORP 1st
Game winners 1st
Steals 1st
Win shares 1st
BPM 1st
FMVPs as defensive anchor 1st (x3)


Its just not close

Next

:dancin

[3ball]

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]You have like 9 threads that you

[Rico2016]

1-9

[Rico2016]

LBJ playoffs ranks

Points 1st
VORP 1st
Game winners 1st
Steals 1st
Win shares 1st
BPM 1st
FMVPs as defensive anchor 1st (x3)


Its just not close

Next

:dancin

3ball? Hello?

[ShawkFactory]

I've never made this thread and you know it
The idea is the same.

And you could have chosen a way better example for your redundant point.

Durant and Green were cheating toward Lebron at the top. Which is why Hill has a wide open layup if Klay doesn’t trip him. Klay was essentially having to cover 2 men here. Korver was open too.

If Lebrons guys knocks his shit down like Jordan’s did then the result is the same. Obviously

[red1]

another day, another 3ball thread about lebron

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[CodeBreaker]

Jordan never beat a 73-9 team


:lol

[StrongLurk]

another day, another 3ball thread about lebron

https://media.giphy.com/media/GV3aYiEP8qbao/source.gif


:roll:

[3ball]

LBJ playoffs ranks

Points 1st
VORP 1st
Game winners 1st
Steals 1st
Win shares 1st
BPM 1st
FMVPs as defensive anchor 1st (x3)


Its just not close

Next

:dancin
I excluded stats and ring count because we'll never agree on either

Like, I can make a list for MJ that exceeds yours (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13625746&postcount=65), but we'll never agree on the stats, or the value of ring count, so who gives a shit

Accordingly, the OP shows 3 clear-cut reasons why MJ is superior without using stats or rings: 1) mj was more clutch; 2) he had a skillet that won more; 3) he never lost when expected to win

What argument do you have without using stats or rings?

[Ainosterhaspie]

You know why Duncan wasn't on the floor to get the rebound Bosh grabbed and passed to Allen for the game winner? Because they had to respect that LeBron might hit a teammate for the game winner and needed mobile guys to defend the whole floor. LeBron forced a GOAT coach to pull an elite rebounder. LeBron won the game before that play started even though Allen made the shot.

Earlier agiasnt the Pacers (Don't remember if it was that same playoffs or the previous year) there was an eerily similar situation. Agian, the coach was forced to pull his big man and put guys out there who were mobile and could defend the shooters. This time LeBron drove by his man and made a game winning layup as time expired. The 7'2" shot blocker was on the bench because they had to respect LeBron's passing.

[3ball]

The idea is the same.

And you could have chosen a way better example for your redundant point.

Durant and Green were cheating toward Lebron at the top. Which is why Hill has a wide open layup if Klay doesn’t trip him. Klay was essentially having to cover 2 men here. Korver was open too.


Lebron has a massive size advantage on the defender, yet he's looking to pass instead of raising up for the easy 15-footer - the definition of dumb

And lebron is in a 100% passing stance - he's foolishly telegraphing the pass, so the defense anticipates the pass rather than guessing, and breaks it up - no one was tripped - lebron simply opted for a high-risk pass because he lacks the skills to pull-up for that jumper

Those are the facts, but keep deluding yourself with what if's... MJ fans don't have to do that






If Lebrons guys knocks his shit down like Jordan’s did then the result is the same.


Lebron's teammate is less likely to hit because he isn't open from lebron being doubled like MJ was

That's the whole point - MJ has the skills to raise up quickly for a game-winning jumper, so the defense must double or lose half the time (MJ is 50% on tying or go-ahead buckets in the last 24 sec), while lebron's pull-up is much weaker and his lesser threat doesn't command the double (37% overall.... 0% in Finals)

[3ball]

Lebron has a massive size advantage on the defender, yet he's looking to pass instead of raising up for the easy 15-footer - the definition of dumb

And lebron is in a 100% passing stance - he's foolishly telegraphing the pass, so the defense anticipates the pass rather than guessing, and breaks it up - no one was tripped - lebron simply opted for a high-risk pass because he lacks the skills to pull-up for that jumper

Those are the facts, but keep deluding yourself with what if's... MJ fans don't have to do that




Lebron's teammate is less likely to hit because he isn't open from lebron being doubled like MJ was

That's the whole point - MJ has the skills to raise up quickly for a game-winning jumper, so the defense must double or lose half the time (MJ is 50% on tying or go-ahead buckets in the last 24 sec), while lebron's pull-up is much weaker and his lesser threat doesn't command the double (37% overall.... 0% in Finals)


No one?

:roll:

[Andrei89]

Lebron:rant :rant

[3ball]

You know why Duncan wasn't on the floor to get the rebound Bosh grabbed and passed to Allen for the game winner? Because they had to respect that LeBron might hit a teammate for the game winner and needed mobile guys to defend the whole floor. LeBron forced a GOAT coach to pull an elite rebounder. LeBron won the game before that play started even though Allen made the shot.

Earlier agiasnt the Pacers (Don't remember if it was that same playoffs or the previous year) there was an eerily similar situation. Agian, the coach was forced to pull his big man and put guys out there who were mobile and could defend the shooters. This time LeBron drove by his man and made a game winning layup as time expired. The 7'2" shot blocker was on the bench because they had to respect LeBron's passing.
teams are normally down 3-0 when the star averages 16 on 39% like lebron did thru 3 games of the 13' Finals, so it's a testament to the cast that they were only down 2-1 and still had a chance...

ultimately, a lot of guys would do better than Lebron's 23 on 43% thru 6 games, and therefore not need Ray to force game 7.. the heat infact lost with lebron on the floor in the 13' Finals (he was a net negative)

So regardless of the strategic implications of the last play, lebron was shit in that series and needed Ray Allen to save his career
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[StrongLurk]

You know why Duncan wasn't on the floor to get the rebound Bosh grabbed and passed to Allen for the game winner? Because they had to respect that LeBron might hit a teammate for the game winner and needed mobile guys to defend the whole floor. LeBron forced a GOAT coach to pull an elite rebounder. LeBron won the game before that play started even though Allen made the shot.

Earlier agiasnt the Pacers (Don't remember if it was that same playoffs or the previous year) there was an eerily similar situation. Agian, the coach was forced to pull his big man and put guys out there who were mobile and could defend the shooters. This time LeBron drove by his man and made a game winning layup as time expired. The 7'2" shot blocker was on the bench because they had to respect LeBron's passing.

Great post, all OP could do is deflect and troll.

[ShawkFactory]

If Lebron makes even the slightest move on curry, Durant and green are collapsing immediately. He cannot he stopped from getting to the basket from the top there. GS knows this and they

[3ball]

If Lebron makes even the slightest move on curry, Durant and green are collapsing immediately. He cannot he stopped from getting to the basket from the top there. GS knows this and they’re willing to let a teammate beat them.

He’s done this his whole career, particularly when was younger and more unstoppable driving. Collapse the D, kick to open shooter. Which is what Jordan did in that gif.
He can pull-up on Curry, don't be silly; he doesn't even have to dribble

And going for the pull-up would attract the hard double and get a teammate open, in case he decides at the last second that he's too scared to shoot

But to telegraph the pass like that and not even CONSIDER pulling up on the much shorter defender is simply.... dumb.. or scared... either way

[ShawkFactory]

He can pull-up on Curry, don't be silly; he doesn't even have to dribble

And going for the pull-up would attract the hard double and get a teammate open, in case he decides at the last second that he's too scared to shoot

But to telegraph the pass like that and not even CONSIDER pulling up on the much shorter defender is simply.... dumb.. or scared... either way
He

[Wally450]

Good lord, all you do is spam the same shit over and over.

[SpaceJam2]

You know why Duncan wasn't on the floor to get the rebound Bosh grabbed and passed to Allen for the game winner? Because they had to respect that LeBron might hit a teammate for the game winner and needed mobile guys to defend the whole floor. LeBron forced a GOAT coach to pull an elite rebounder. LeBron won the game before that play started even though Allen made the shot.

Earlier agiasnt the Pacers (Don't remember if it was that same playoffs or the previous year) there was an eerily similar situation. Agian, the coach was forced to pull his big man and put guys out there who were mobile and could defend the shooters. This time LeBron drove by his man and made a game winning layup as time expired. The 7'2" shot blocker was on the bench because they had to respect LeBron's passing.


1ball cooked again :lol

[superduper]

3ball got them boys skippin to his lou :dancin

[3ball]

He’s at the 3 point line against a set defense with a guy literally on his body. Pulling up in that scenario without dribbling wouldn’t be what anyone would do there.

The way there were playing him, the sensible thing to do would be to dribble and kick. But he had Hill cutting for an open layup. Klay tripped him to prevent it. Then he had an 80% FT shooter at the line down 1.

Lebron can easily pull up there via 1 or 2 dribble pull-up and the help defense can't get there like this:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-18-2019/NKp--8.gif


That's the objective of a one-dribble pull-up - to shoot before the help gets there .. ur just lying by saying the help D can get there

and btw, mj/bird/kobe shot without dribbling in similar spots all the time - you simply aren't aware of this higher skill (https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-01-2015/kV0RAl.gif) level

Again, lebron couldn't have been dumber on that play - he did everything wrong, starting with not even considering to shoot/telegraphing the pass, which caused the turnover

[ShawkFactory]

which caused the turnover
Think we

[3ball]

Great post, all OP could do is deflect and troll.
His post was defending the fact that lebron needed ray to save his career

But there's no defense for the historical record - Lebron needed ray to save his career.. period

And the only reason they needed an offensive rebound was because Lebron bricked - so technically, bosh saved him too by getting that offensive board

[Lebron6]

Delusional Jordansexuals. LeGOAT is the GOAT. :oldlol:

[Manny98]

4 reasons LeBron is better

1. Better longevity

2. Better passer

3. Better floor raiser

4. More versatile can defend all 5 positions and be the teams point guard or primary scorer whichever ones needed whilst MJ was just scorer

[red1]

4 reasons LeBron is better

1. Better longevity

2. Better passer

3. Better floor raiser

4. More versatile can defend all 5 positions and be the teams point guard or primary scorer whichever ones needed whilst MJ was just scorer
better floor raiser?



mods can you ban this retard?

[Manny98]

better floor raiser?



mods can you ban this retard?
I'm smarter than you bum

[red1]

I'm smarter than you bum
then why are you always wrong :oldlol:





dumb bitch.

[Manny98]

Getting a couple of predictions wrong in the playoffs = "always wrong" lol ok :oldlol:

[red1]

Getting a couple of predictions wrong in the playoffs = "always wrong" lol ok :oldlol:
a couple wrong :roll:



ok there. if I had the option I would honestly beat the shit out of you without hesitation for being such a dumb bitch. :oldlol:

[Manny98]

a couple wrong :roll:



ok there. if I had the option I would honestly beat the shit out of you without hesitation for being such a dumb bitch. :oldlol:
I'm so scared :cry: :cry:

[red1]

I'm so scared :cry: :cry:
good. hopefully you'll make less predictions now instead of following me around in every raps thread. save yourself the embarrassment.



****ing groupie.

[Ainosterhaspie]

I've been over this before with this play, but Airball apparently needs a refresher.

First. LeBron wants to run out the clock here. If he takes a quick shot it leaves time for GS to take the lead back. He's protecting the ball and waiting for time to run out. When the time came he was likely planning to take a shot. He already had two buzzer beaters that playoff run including a pull up three off the dribble against the Pacers which Airball is apparently claiming LeBron can't do. Bonus for LeBron making that play off ball with a quick move as soon as he got it getting to his spot and rising to drain the shot.

Second. The defense didn't blow up the play because LeBron was "telegraphing pass". Thompson was in position to be a tertiary defender on the drive and to contest a pass to the corner. Whether LeBron's in triple threat or doing what he does on that play, he's going to be in the exact same spot. Thompson also could only prevent an easy go ahead layup by fouling Hill out of desperation.

Third. LeBron made the decision most likely to produce a win. It absolutely was the correct play and it's not really rationally debateable. The odds that the Cavs would tie or go ahead with Hill taking two free throws are around 96%. The odds of anyone, even elite mid range guys like Jordan, making a contested long two or three are less than 50%. LeBron massively improved his team's chance of winning by making that pass.

Fourth. LeBron is being tripple teamed here. Hill is Green's man, yet Green let's him go straight to the hoop because he's more worried about helping on LeBron. Durant is also guarding LeBron instead of his man. This is why Thompson is forced to scramble off his man to foul Hill.

Fifth. If LeBron is in the tripple threat position as Airball suggests he should be, he would not be able to make the pass to the cutting Hill as quickly anf that may have given Thompson the time to cover it better, or caused James to miss the brief window of time when the pass could be made.

Sixth. The idea that James can't operate out of the tripple threat is absurd and demonstrably false. He uses it frequently. But the absurd aspect of the claim is that it is about as simple a basketball skill as there is. Virtually all NBA players can do it.

Seventh. Kerr did not have an uncontested shot because Jordan drew a double team. He had an uncontested shot because Stockton fell down for no apparent reason.

Lastly. James gave his teammate a much higher percentage opportunity than Jordan gave Kerr. A layup or two free throws is inarguably a better scoring opportunity than a mid range jumper. James gave his team a better chance to win.

One more point. Arguments made off a single play, especially to claim that they mean there is a missing skill are ridiculous. It's impossible to use every skill on one play, so one could always use a failed play to claim it should have been done different. Since there are always many, many failed plays in every game, there is always ample opportunity to clip one and say "see he should have done it different". It's an intellectually hollow argument, but those are Airball's stock and trade.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Oh, and at 2:49 in this video (https://youtu.be/b4fnnKF1Axg) from the exact same game he does the same thing that Airball calls telegraphing his pass and instead drives for a layup. Apparently he isn't only able to pass like that.

LeBron attacks and scores a layup out of the triple threat for the first score of the game. See 45 second mark of same video. So much for Airballs's stupid claim that LeBron can't triple threat.

At 1:14 he makes a pass out of triple threat to set up his teammate for an open three after a nice fake pass inside to keep the defender in the paint an give his teammate time to set up for the shot.

Next play in the video there he is triple threat again running similar play. This time Warriors cover his teammate. So he drains a one dribble pull up. Wait, Airball just told me he couldn't do that.

(By the way Durant's handchecking him on both the above plays, despite there supposedly being no handchecking in today's game).

[RRR3]

I've been over this before with this play, but Airball apparently needs a refresher.

First. LeBron wants to run out the clock here. If he takes a quick shot it leaves time for GS to take the lead back. He's protecting the ball and waiting for time to run out. When the time came he was likely planning to take a shot. He already had two buzzer beaters that playoff run including a pull up three off the dribble against the Pacers which Airball is apparently claiming LeBron can't do. Bonus for LeBron making that play off ball with a quick move as soon as he got it getting to his spot and rising to drain the shot.

Second. The defense didn't blow up the play because LeBron was "telegraphing pass". Thompson was in position to be a tertiary defender on the drive and to contest a pass to the corner. Whether LeBron's in triple threat or doing what he does on that play, he's going to be in the exact same spot. Thompson also could only prevent an easy go ahead layup by fouling Hill out of desperation.

Third. LeBron made the decision most likely to produce a win. It absolutely was the correct play and it's not really rationally debateable. The odds that the Cavs would tie or go ahead with Hill taking two free throws are around 96%. The odds of anyone, even elite mid range guys like Jordan, making a contested long two or three are less than 50%. LeBron massively improved his team's chance of winning by making that pass.

Fourth. LeBron is being tripple teamed here. Hill is Green's man, yet Green let's him go straight to the hoop because he's more worried about helping on LeBron. Durant is also guarding LeBron instead of his man. This is why Thompson is forced to scramble off his man to foul Hill.

Fifth. If LeBron is in the tripple threat position as Airball suggests he should be, he would not be able to make the pass to the cutting Hill as quickly anf that may have given Thompson the time to cover it better, or caused James to miss the brief window of time when the pass could be made.

Sixth. The idea that James can't operate out of the tripple threat is absurd and demonstrably false. He uses it frequently. But the absurd aspect of the claim is that it is about as simple a basketball skill as there is. Virtually all NBA players can do it.

Seventh. Kerr did not have an uncontested shot because Jordan drew a double team. He had an uncontested shot because Stockton fell down for no apparent reason.

Lastly. James gave his teammate a much higher percentage opportunity than Jordan gave Kerr. A layup or two free throws is inarguably a better scoring opportunity than a mid range jumper. James gave his team a better chance to win.

One more point. Arguments made off a single play, especially to claim that they mean there is a missing skill are ridiculous. It's impossible to use every skill on one play, so one could always use a failed play to claim it should have been done different. Since there are always many, many failed plays in every game, there is always ample opportunity to clip one and say "see he should have done it different". It's an intellectually hollow argument, but those are Airball's stock and trade.
Jesus Christ. Bodybagged.

Great analysis.

[3ball]

I've been over this before with this play, but Airball apparently needs a refresher.

First. LeBron wants to run out the clock here. If he takes a quick shot it leaves time for GS to take the lead back. He's protecting the ball and waiting for time to run out. When the time came he was likely planning to take a shot. He already had two buzzer beaters that playoff run including a pull up three off the dribble against the Pacers which Airball is apparently claiming LeBron can't do. Bonus for LeBron making that play off ball with a quick move as soon as he got it getting to his spot and rising to drain the shot.


Lebron can run out the clock by being in the proper triple-threat stance, thus threatening all three things (pass, shoot, drive) - hence the term, "triple threat"

But instead he's in a pass-only stance, so the defense knows not to double and infact anticipates the pass and breaks it up

And I never said he couldn't shoot off-the-dribble - heck, grade schoolers shoot off-the-dribble - he just isn't that good at it and couldn't live off it like MJ/Kobe/Bird.. it's one of the many reasons teams don't need to get the ball out of his hands (double-team) - his jumper rarely gets hot, i.e. forces coaches to call timeout and plan the double-team strategy





Second. The defense didn't blow up the play because LeBron was "telegraphing pass". Thompson was in position to be a tertiary defender on the drive and to contest a pass to the corner. Whether LeBron's in triple threat or doing what he does on that play, he's going to be in the exact same spot. Thompson also could only prevent an easy go ahead layup by fouling Hill out of desperation.


No, that's exactly what happened - the tape don't lie

But don't feel bad - we all know that lebron lacks the collegiate experience, which is where you learn fundamentals like proper triple-threat stance.. I'm not saying lebron can't do triple-threat - he just isn't good at it






Third. LeBron made the decision most likely to produce a win. It absolutely was the correct play and it's not really rationally debateable. The odds that the Cavs would tie or go ahead with Hill taking two free throws are around 96%. The odds of anyone, even elite mid range guys like Jordan, making a contested long two or three are less than 50%. LeBron massively improved his team's chance of winning by making that pass.


Lebron turned it over because he allowed the defense to be set - no adjustments or double team needed because he was obviously looking to pass

And your wishful thinking fails even harder because why would a defense foul George hill? He isn't a good finisher and not a threat against a normal contest there.. and he damn sure wasn't open because of lebron's telegraphing

Btw, MJ was 50% on game-tying or go-ahead buckets in the last 24 seconds - so MJ has a 50% chance to make it in lebron's spot.. otoh, lebron is only 37% on these shots and 0% in the Finals (0-8) - that's why he was in pass-only mode - he didn't want to be 0-9 on those shots in the Finals

Ur just delusional





Fourth. LeBron is being tripple teamed here. Hill is Green's man, yet Green let's him go straight to the hoop because he's more worried about helping on LeBron. Durant is also guarding LeBron instead of his man. This is why Thompson is forced to scramble off his man to foul Hill.


Pure nonsense.. not worth commenting on a take that flies in the face of the footage





Fifth. If LeBron is in the tripple threat position as Airball suggests he should be, he would not be able to make the pass to the cutting Hill as quickly anf that may have given Thompson the time to cover it better, or caused James to miss the brief window of time when the pass could be made.


You apparently don't know what a triple-threat stance is - see the first response above - they call it triple-threat because the stance threatens all 3 actions (shoot, pass, drive)





Sixth. The idea that James can't operate out of the tripple threat is absurd and demonstrably false. He uses it frequently. But the absurd aspect of the claim is that it is about as simple a basketball skill as there is. Virtually all NBA players can do it.


Anyone can use the triple threat, but that doesn't mean they're good at it or could live off it

Lebron isn't good at it, which is why he mostly uses live dribbles to accumulate his stats





Seventh. Kerr did not have an uncontested shot because Jordan drew a double team. He had an uncontested shot because Stockton fell down for no apparent reason.


Stockton fell down because he was doubling Jordan and couldn't get back in time

Wow, you must really be clueless when watching games... :oldlol:.. "I have no idea why Stockton fell down herrrr durrr"





Lastly. James gave his teammate a much higher percentage opportunity than Jordan gave Kerr. A layup or two free throws is inarguably a better scoring opportunity than a mid range jumper. James gave his team a better chance to win.


Relying on lesser teammates is better than doing it himself???.. classic beta mentality

And giving it to a 6'2" role player to make a shot in heavily-contested among the trees is not better than lebron shooting it, especially because of the added risk of the pass getting broken up (a risk that was increased by lebron's telegraphing





One more point. Arguments made off a single play, especially to claim that they mean there is a missing skill are ridiculous. It's impossible to use every skill on one play, so one could always use a failed play to claim it should have been done different. Since there are always many, many failed plays in every game, there is always ample opportunity to clip one and say "see he should have done it different". It's an intellectually hollow argument, but those are Airball's stock and trade.
It isn't just 1 play - lebron is 0-8 on clutch shots in the Finals, so he was in pass-mode to avoid 0-9

Overall, he's 37% on clutch shots versus MJ's 50%, including 4-8 in the Finals

[SpaceJam2]

I've been over this before with this play, but Airball apparently needs a refresher.

First. LeBron wants to run out the clock here. If he takes a quick shot it leaves time for GS to take the lead back. He's protecting the ball and waiting for time to run out. When the time came he was likely planning to take a shot. He already had two buzzer beaters that playoff run including a pull up three off the dribble against the Pacers which Airball is apparently claiming LeBron can't do. Bonus for LeBron making that play off ball with a quick move as soon as he got it getting to his spot and rising to drain the shot.

Second. The defense didn't blow up the play because LeBron was "telegraphing pass". Thompson was in position to be a tertiary defender on the drive and to contest a pass to the corner. Whether LeBron's in triple threat or doing what he does on that play, he's going to be in the exact same spot. Thompson also could only prevent an easy go ahead layup by fouling Hill out of desperation.

Third. LeBron made the decision most likely to produce a win. It absolutely was the correct play and it's not really rationally debateable. The odds that the Cavs would tie or go ahead with Hill taking two free throws are around 96%. The odds of anyone, even elite mid range guys like Jordan, making a contested long two or three are less than 50%. LeBron massively improved his team's chance of winning by making that pass.

Fourth. LeBron is being tripple teamed here. Hill is Green's man, yet Green let's him go straight to the hoop because he's more worried about helping on LeBron. Durant is also guarding LeBron instead of his man. This is why Thompson is forced to scramble off his man to foul Hill.

Fifth. If LeBron is in the tripple threat position as Airball suggests he should be, he would not be able to make the pass to the cutting Hill as quickly anf that may have given Thompson the time to cover it better, or caused James to miss the brief window of time when the pass could be made.

Sixth. The idea that James can't operate out of the tripple threat is absurd and demonstrably false. He uses it frequently. But the absurd aspect of the claim is that it is about as simple a basketball skill as there is. Virtually all NBA players can do it.

Seventh. Kerr did not have an uncontested shot because Jordan drew a double team. He had an uncontested shot because Stockton fell down for no apparent reason.

Lastly. James gave his teammate a much higher percentage opportunity than Jordan gave Kerr. A layup or two free throws is inarguably a better scoring opportunity than a mid range jumper. James gave his team a better chance to win.

One more point. Arguments made off a single play, especially to claim that they mean there is a missing skill are ridiculous. It's impossible to use every skill on one play, so one could always use a failed play to claim it should have been done different. Since there are always many, many failed plays in every game, there is always ample opportunity to clip one and say "see he should have done it different". It's an intellectually hollow argument, but those are Airball's stock and trade.

RIP 1 ball

[Turbo Slayer]

LeBron the GOAT and I buy his jerseys. Bahhhhhhhh

Smh. :coleman:


:roll:

We know you like LeBron. We know. :cheers:

[ShawkFactory]

The play: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cYqmRFM1iJ4

Grabs hills arm to prevent a layup. It

[FKAri]

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Reason #1


Jordan must be doubled here with the game on the line:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-21-2019/P-Odup.gif



Lebron doesn't require a double and relies on teammates:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-18-2019/tBDdtZ.gif


Looks like Lebron's getting tripled while MJ's getting doubled

[LostCause]

Looks like Lebron's getting tripled while MJ's getting doubled
By that logic Jordan

[3ball]

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]The play: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cYqmRFM1iJ4

Grabs hills arm to prevent a layup. It

[RRR3]

Ainosterhaspie already ended 3braincells. He’s just stumbling around dazed at this point.

[3ball]

Ainosterhaspie already ended 3braincells. He’s just stumbling around dazed at this point.
I answered all of his points but lebron fans are dumb with little education and no attention span, so you don't read it/ignore it

But all his delusions were corrected .

Ultimately, lebron was dead-set on passing there because he was 0-8 on clutch shots in the Finals and wanted to avoid 0-9... So he telegraphed the pass, leading to no one open and an impossible pass/turnover

[RRR3]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-14-2015/w1w5Aq.gif
:lol

[ShawkFactory]

I see - so he was within armslength of the defender (inches, actually) and therefore not open (because lebron doesn't command a double)

Watch the replay again - it's simply a horrible pass that had little chance of succeeding, in part due to the setup - 4 shooters literally standing around not moving, while lebron holds the ball - YOU CAN'T GET AN EASIER SETUP TO DEFEND.. it's called dumb basketball, 3/9-ball

Ultimately, lebron was dead-set on passing there because he was 0-8 on clutch shots in the Finals and wanted to avoid 0-9... So he telegraphed the pass, leading to no one open and an impossible pass/turnover
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Why

[3ball]

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]Why

[ShawkFactory]

If Hill was legitimately open, klay wouldn't have been able to touch him, let alone get tangled - the tangling is the definition of "not open"..
Jesus Christ.

If a linebacker grabs a wide receiver running a slant that’s not them being tangled up. And if the quarterback throws it that’s not a dumb pass.

Lebron, like a quarterback, was anticipating where his man would be. And Hill would have been there had his progress not been impeded by a penalty (hence the free throws).

Klay was flat-footed. And had to grab Hill’s arm or they’re down a game at home.

[warriorfan]

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]Jesus Christ.

If a linebacker grabs a wide receiver running a slant that

[3ball]

Jesus Christ.

If a linebacker grabs a wide receiver running a slant that’s not them being tangled up. And if the quarterback throws it that’s not a dumb pass.

Lebron, like a quarterback, was anticipating where his man would be. And Hill would have been there had his progress not been impeded by a penalty (hence the free throws).

Klay was flat-footed. And had to grab Hill’s arm or they’re down a game at home.
It's a dumb pass because Lebron should've shot it - no one was open on that play and passing to a role player amongst the trees isn't a better play; it's a dumb one

But ultimately, Lebron has a 0 percent conversion rate in that spot historically (0-8), so it probably IS a better play to throw a bad pass to a role player in heavy traffic!!.. too f.ucking easy brah.. your boy is overrated; nowhere near goat

[RRR3]

Only in 3ball’s retarded mind is a contested jumper better than an open layup or two FTs from a good shooter.

[ShawkFactory]

It's a dumb pass because Lebron should've shot it - no one was open on that play and passing to a role player amongst the trees isn't a better play; it's a dumb one

But ultimately, Lebron has a 0 percent conversion rate in that spot historically (0-8), so it probably IS a better play to throw a bad pass to a role player in heavy traffic!!.. too f.ucking easy brah.. your boy is overrated; nowhere near goat
Now the pass was in heavy traffic??

[3ball]

Only in 3ball’s retarded mind is a contested jumper better than an open layup or two FTs from a good shooter.
I just conceded that it is infact better to telegraph the pass to a role player amongst the trees where he has little chance or ability to convert, because that's still better than Lebron's 0% conversion rate in that spot (0-8 on clutch shots in the Finals)

So we've settled it - Lebron is too big a choker to shoot it there - and he apparently knew this - a shrimp was on him, yet he wasn't even THINKING about shooting and instead telegraphed the pass

He doesn't have ice in his veins, so his fans are always making excuses for him in advance/anticipation of him not doing what is expected - a history of 4 losses when he was expected to win, along with countless instances of missing or deferring in the clutch has caused a state of perpetual pessimism among his fans

Otoh, fans of the goat knew he was always gonna kick ass... And take names

[warriorfan]

Lebron James stans fearing a heavy contest from.....Steph Curry

:roll:

This type of posting shows that even his own stans know how bunk he is :lol

[ImKobe]

Why leave things to chance like that instead of being confident in your own game and burying a 15 foot jumper on someone who is more than half a foot shorter than you?

Tbh, the defense would have collapsed on him, and Lebron is not an efficient mid-range shooter so that would be the worst shot in that situation, now he could have tried to bulldoze his way to the rim, break down the defense and kick it out for an open 3 but Dray didn't go with Hill and Klay wasn't leaving Korver open in the corner so it was an easy decision for him to pass to get the 2 FTs, you notice Bron goes for the pass as he sees Klay reach out with his arm, that's just easy FTs in that situation.

[3ball]

Tbh, the defense would have collapsed on him, and Lebron is not an efficient mid-range shooter so that would be the worst shot in that situation, now he could have tried to bulldoze his way to the rim, break down the defense and kick it out for an open 3 but Dray didn't go with Hill and Klay wasn't leaving Korver open in the corner so it was an easy decision for him to pass to get the 2 FTs, you notice Bron goes for the pass as he sees Klay reach out with his arm, that's just easy FTs in that situation.

There's no way for a defense to "collapse" on this (quick pull-ups):


https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-26-2015/olpEnW.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-18-2019/RLVoab.gif



Even if the defense manages to bring heat in time, the ballhandler can simply elude them, which is the purpose of dribbling the damn basketball, shown below:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-19-2019/dXN4AZ.gif



Anyone that says Lebron couldn't have shot there is delusional - it's literally the optimal setup - if he can't shoot it there, then he can't shoot in any scenario

[bigkingsfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pepBc-aJrj0&t=107m20s

[red1]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pepBc-aJrj0&t=107m20s
:roll: :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pepBc-aJrj0&t=107m20s

The moment was too big. And even if MJ makes that game winner he still has less than Bron

Case closed

[warriorfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pepBc-aJrj0&t=107m20s

Jordan lost to Shaq and Penny after not playing basketball for two years

Lebron lost to Dirk and Jason Terry

:lol

[red1]

Jordan lost to Shaq and Penny after not playing basketball for two years

Lebron lost to Dirk and Jason Terry

:lol
dirk and terry were very good basketball players. first year playing with miami.



steph curry didn't get a single finals MVP vote :(

[72-10]

not to mention MJ usually minimized his dribbles, which contributed to his eerily low turnover rate, not just being the primary scoring option in the triangle offense where he mostly received the ball after doing mad off-ball work

[SouBeachTalents]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pepBc-aJrj0&t=107m20s
:oldlol:

And don't forget Jordan got stripped by Anderson the possession before to lose the lead

[warriorfan]

dirk and terry were very good basketball players. first year playing with miami.



steph curry didn't get a single finals MVP vote :(

Shaq or Penny? Or Dirk and Jason Terry?

Don

[red1]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Shaq or Penny? Or Dirk and Jason Terry?

Don

[warriorfan]

no worries man steph is a bitch and so are you.



lucky he had kd and klay to carry his ass. :oldlol:

Jason Terry.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Lebron turned it over because he allowed the defense to be set - no adjustments or double team needed because he was obviously looking to pass
He didn't turn it over. The Cavs got free throws. How can you be this obtuse?



Stockton fell down because he was doubling Jordan and couldn't get back in time

Stockton tripped over his own feet. Couldn't execute a basic help and recover. Only need to take three steps to contest and couldn't do that without falling down.


Relying on lesser teammates is better than doing it himself???.. classic beta mentality
Your video of Jordan is of him showing the beta mentality as you describe it instead of doing it himself.


And giving it to a 6'2" role player to make a shot in heavily-contested among the trees is not better than lebron shooting it, especially because of the added risk of the pass getting broken up (a risk that was increased by lebron's telegraphing
Among the trees? :biggums: LeBron had pulled the "trees out of the paint". They were at the top of the key to give Curry help. There was no one between Hill and the basket. Only a Desperation foul prevented an easy layup.

[72-10]

no worries man steph is a bitch and so are you.



lucky he had kd and klay to carry his ass. :oldlol:

:rolleyes: Curry carried them in 2016, despite not having much of a defensive impact and lacking a bit in two-way impact.