Kareem - 1st in points, 1st in rebounds, 3rd in blocks

[StrongLurk]

6 MVPS, 6 rings, 2FMVPs...

Am I the only one who still has Kareem at number 2 all-time and Lebron at 3?

Kareem at 38 still put up 23/6/3 on 56% shooting...

Do people not realize that he was "Lebron" before Lebron when it came to longevity and dominance over a long time?

I mean, Lebron has one more finals MVP...but less MVPS, rings, points, rebounds, blocks, etc.

Kareem is 43rd all time in assists, actually ahead of Michael Jordan.

[lilteapot]

lebron at 3 is too high.

1. mj
2. kareem
3. magic
4. duncan
5. Lebron
6. Shaq
7. Kobe
8. Bird
9. Wilt
10. Hakeem

[SpaceJam2]

It's hard because he had prime Magic for Magic's career plus only 2 FMVPs

[Lebron23]

It's hard because he had prime Magic for Magic's career plus only 2 FMVPs
This. LeBron with 4 finals mvp after this season.

[superduper]

No matter how hard Bran stans scream it to eachother until they're blue in the face, Bran is nowhere remotely close to GOAT and no amount of fake empty stats will change that.

[StrongLurk]

It's hard because he had prime Magic for Magic's career plus only 2 FMVPs

Kareem have FIVE MVPS before Magic was in the NBA..and won his 6th MVP in Magic's rookie season.

Kareem also would have won FMVP in 1980 but he was injured the last game of the finals and the NBA had to give the award to someone who played...hence Magic.

But Kareem was the better player in the 1980's Finals.

Kareem was already GOAT level before Magic arrived. MJ wasn't a thing yet, so you basically had Wilt/Russell/Oscar Robertson to battle with for all time rankings.

[Kblaze8855]

I’m gonna have to explain this every few months it seems.....



The media literally took a finals MVP. Voters came out and told the world Kareem won the vote for the 1980 finals MVP but CBS had them change it for the presentation....and nobody cares.

CBS...not the award voters....chose the finals MVP. Magic was handed the 1980 finals MVP for tv purposes...he was not voted it. But it sure isnt listed that way in history. That was the series that had Darryl Dawkins mom call him asking why he let that man score all those points on him. He literally sent a man to bed crying and people act like he wasnt that great because of a producer making them give the MVP to Magic....who did have a great game 6 obviously. But theres a reason they were in position to win it in 6. Kareems 40/15 with the game winner in game 5. He got injured....came back in and put in work. 30 seconds left tie game he gets the ball in the paint fronted by Dawkins....D collapses on him....he dunks on Dr.J who was one of 4 defenders around him...and 1....and hits the FT.

He came through...and people use the series against him because he didnt get actually handed finals MVP...though he was voted it.



Kareem Absolutely won that finals MVP but CBS went to the voters and had them change it for the presentation. One of the voters admitted it years later and said he felt there was a mark against his journalistic integrity because of it.

Kareem did in fact get voted finals mvp 3 times.

[superduper]

When the only thing Bran stans have going for them are media voted awards and fake stats :roll:

[StrongLurk]

When the only thing Bran stans have going for them are media voted awards and fake stats :roll:

Took my beating in the Bradley Beal thread so you had to come troll this one...yikes.

[superduper]

Took my beating in the Bradley Beal thread so you had to come troll this one...yikes.

Beating?

The only thing you proved is that the 15th best player in the NBA is averaging 30-5-7 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[StrongLurk]

Beating?

The only thing you proved is that the 15th best player in the NBA is averaging 30-5-7 :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I said 12-15, he could be even 10th best. It's early in the season.

Beal's shot attempts have increase every year for the last 4 years, going from 17 to 23 per game.

He was compared to RAY ALLEN coming out of college man.

Ray Allen 3's for career - 2.3/5.7
Bradley Beal 3's for career - 2.2/5.8

Ray Allen's first 8 seasons - 20/5/4
Bradley Beal's first 8 seasons - 20/4/4

So yeah, Beal is fringe top 10 like young Ray Allen was.

You complaining about Beal right now is probably how NBA fans in the 60's/70's complained about "gimmicky Ray Allen" shooting 3 point shots all the time when the 70's players didn't even have a chance for that

[iamgine]

It's tough cause he won most of his MVPs in the weak 70s. I'm just surprised he didn't win it every season. And he only won the title 1 time in the weak 70s. And only went to the finals twice. I mean, how can the GOAT at the time only went to the finals twice. Half the time he didn't even make it to the conference finals. In the weak 70s. :facepalm

[Celtics 1825]

It's tough cause he won most of his MVPs in the weak 70s. I'm just surprised he didn't win it every season. And he only won the title 1 time in the weak 70s. And only went to the finals twice. I mean, how can the GOAT at the time only went to the finals twice. Half the time he didn't even make it to the conference finals. In the weak 70s. :facepalm
He didn't just not make the finals, he missed the playoffs entirely multiple times in the weak ass 70s. That's inexcusable imo

[SouBeachTalents]

Kareem isn't 1st in rebounds, he's nearly 5,000 plus behind Wilt & Russell. And there's an excellent chance he would've trailed both in blocks had they been recorded in their era

[StrongLurk]

Kareem isn't 1st in rebounds, he's nearly 5,000 plus behind Wilt & Russell. And there's an excellent chance he would've trailed both in blocks had they been recorded in their era

Thanks for pointing that out, I messed up there. I don't think Blocks were recorded in Kareem's first 3-4 seasons so he is missing some too.

I guess THE argument for Lebron over Kareem is that Kareem wasn't quite in a "modern" enough NBA for his peak.

[Manny98]

LeBron has better longevity than MJ and a better peak than Kareem therefore he's the GOAT :applause:

[tontoz]

Kareem wasn't an exciting player or charismatic personality which is part of the reason he gets underrated.

The other is era. He was at his best in the 70s when there weren't many people paying attention. Bird-Magic then MJ drove up the TV ratings in the 80s when Kareem was slowing down.

[superduper]

LeBron has better longevity than MJ and a better peak than Kareem therefore he's the GOAT :applause:

But Bran has a worse peak than MJ and worse longevity than Kareem so you lose once again

[90sgoat]

No matter how hard Bran stans scream it to eachother until they're blue in the face, Bran is nowhere remotely close to GOAT and no amount of fake empty stats will change that.

This.

:facepalm

[Psileas]

I'd love to have seen how Kareem's and a certain few others' careers would have turned out had they had the right to play in the NBA since their HS days. Kareem was easily NBA material since then and easily All-Star to All-NBA level since 1966.

Also, not only was Kareem practically the Finals' MVP in '80, he was also the best player of the close '74 Finals as well, not to mention he could have also claimed the '84 F.MVP had the Lakers won another close series. "2 F.MVP's" is far from telling the whole story. As is the fact that he never won an ASG MVP, despite having numerous great performances.

[tanibanana]

It was the ABA existence that made Kareems's legacy a little arguable.
Arguably (almost technically), 40% of the talent during the 70's were not playing in the NBA.

This just just a tiny sample:

"In the first NBA All Star Game after the merger, 10 of the 24 NBA All Stars were former ABA players. In the first post-merger season's NBA Finals between the Portland Trail Blazers and the 76ers, five of the ten starting players were former ABA players."

[mr4speed]

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[warriorfan]

Kareem also made Kung fu flicks with Bruce lee while Bron makes cringe ass shit like

[MaxFly]

Kareem wasn't an exciting player or charismatic personality which is part of the reason he gets underrated.

The other is era. He was at his best in the 70s when there weren't many people paying attention. Bird-Magic then MJ drove up the TV ratings in the 80s when Kareem was slowing down.

This... though to be fair, he was still a great player well into the 80s. Unfortunately, the personality of a player greatly influences how players are covered by the media and how fans of the game in general perceive and respond to that player. The good thing is that you can't deny production, you can't deny longevity, and you can't deny consistency... and Kareem really stands out as a result of all three measures. He is greatness, personified.

[FromDowntown]

Peaks are important and I like to do the 5 year test so Curry has 2 MVPs, 5 straight finals and 3 rings. How many other greats made 5 finals in 5 years?

Kareem wins on career length but his peak was nothing special