What would players 2020 stats be if converted to say, early 2000's era?

[hiphopanonymous]

We've got Harden averaging 40, bradley beal putting up peak jordan numbers, Luka with back to back 30 and 40 point triple doubles, A 35 year old LeBron averaging 11 assists, roleplayers that aren't even good shooters putting up 9-15 from 3, etc

What would we expect these numbers to be in a lower paced, pre-banned defense era? I know not all players would be phased equally as they all create their points in different ways but surely the dribble penetration would be much less due to earlier gather step interpretation so dribble penetration guys would be slightly knocked - then the 3 point shooters would be physically challenged both before and on ball so 3 point shooting would be drastically knocked. Then finally everyone's stats would go down substantially save for the #1 options carrying a team (IE, you wouldn't likely have a 25+ ppg and a 30+ppg scorer on one team but if you did - all the roleplayers also averaging nearly 20 would be the first to dip down into the 10's due to less possessions since someones got to shoot less with lower pace, it's likely to be the role players)

With all this being said what numbers are modern players putting up in the early '00's? Anyone come up with a good adjustment for this yet?

[superduper]

Bradley Beal, the 15th best player in the NBA, is averaging 30-5-7 :biggums:

I think it's safe to say that this era is a complete joke and top 3 players of the past would easily average 40pt triple doubles in this clownfest of an era.

All stats from the '10s decade should be taken with a grain of salt.

[hiphopanonymous]

Bradley Beal, the 15th best player in the NBA, is averaging 30-5-7 :biggums:

I think it's safe to say that this era is a complete joke and top 3 players of the past would easily average 40pt triple doubles in this clownfest of an era.

All stats from the '10s decade should be taken with a grain of salt.
So what do you think Beal would be like - impact wise - in 2001, like Ray Allen?

about 22ppg seem fair in that era?

[superduper]

So what do you think Beal would be like - impact wise - in 2001, like Ray Allen?

about 22ppg seem fair in that era?

He would be more like a Kevin Martin type.

Imagine Kevin Martin averaging 30-5-7 my god :roll:

[Bankaii]

Bradley Beal, the 15th best player in the NBA, is averaging 30-5-7 :biggums:

I think it's safe to say that this era is a complete joke and top 3 players of the past would easily average 40pt triple doubles in this clownfest of an era.

All stats from the '10s decade should be taken with a grain of salt.
How many wiz games have you watched this year?

I

[elementally morale]

ppg would go down more than rpg and apg and eff would go down the most

with rpg and apg you can re-calibrate using number of possessions, aka pace

with ppg you have pace of game, more 3 pointers attempted and more free throws

So a 30/10/5 guy now is probably a 22/8/4 guy in 2003.

[Manny98]

lol that weak era where the leaguewide 3 point shooting was 34% :roll: :roll:

Beal would look alien splashing 3s on everyone whilst everyone else is spamming pathetic mid ranges and playing post up:oldlol:

[red1]

these offensive stats are inflated. it's not even debatable when you have people comparing a scrub like harden to mj.

[LAmbruh]

lol that weak era where the leaguewide 3 point shooting was 34% :roll: :roll:

Beal would look alien splashing 3s on everyone whilst everyone else is spamming pathetic mid ranges and playing post up:oldlol:
This lmao


The era that was so bad it was on life support until Lebron/Wade/Melo came around :oldlol:


Hack a Wallace, Hack a Shaq, YIKES :yaohappy:

[hiphopanonymous]

In 2020 15 players are scoring more than 25ppg
In 2000 only 5 players were scoring more than 25ppg

In 2020 6 players are currently scoring more than 28ppg (3 over 30)
In 2000 only 2 players were scoring more than 28ppg (none over 30)

In 2020 14 players average over 10rpg (8 over 12, 5 over 13, highest 16.8)
In 2000 only 7 players averaged over 10rpg (3 over 12, 2 over 13, highest 14.1)

In 2020 62 players attempt more than 5 3's per game
In 2000 7 players attempt more than 5 3's per game

In 2020 17 players shoot 7 or more 3's per game (highest 13.9)
In 2000 nobody shoots 7 or more 3's per game

I think most people who actually understand the game on more than just a statsheet can agree these aren't a reflection of "players today are just better!" .... it's heavily tied to what is allowed on the defensive end. Barring perimeter contact both on and off the ball and making gather steps called so late has made the lanes, and beyond the 3 point arc, a total free zone to either shoot open gym style today or just carry the ball into the hoop like a football player. And the open gym style shooting has spread the floor so those football carries often happen in the open as well.

[STATUTORY]

divide everything by 1.3 and it will be about right


In 2020 15 players are scoring more than 25ppg
In 2000 only 5 players were scoring more than 25ppg

In 2020 6 players are currently scoring more than 28ppg (3 over 30)
In 2000 only 2 players were scoring more than 28ppg (none over 30)

In 2020 14 players average over 10rpg (8 over 12, 5 over 13, highest 16.8)
In 2000 only 7 players averaged over 10rpg (3 over 12, 2 over 13, highest 14.1)

In 2020 62 players attempt more than 5 3's per game
In 2000 7 players attempt more than 5 3's per game

In 2020 17 players shoot 7 or more 3's per game
In 2000 nobody shoots 7 or more 3's per game

the only thing that's still the same? 1 ring in 2000 = 1 ring in 2020

this is ultimately the argument why ring counts is best measure of a player's legacy

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Bradley Beal > Kobe

[RRR3]

In 2020 15 players are scoring more than 25ppg
In 2000 only 5 players were scoring more than 25ppg

In 2020 6 players are currently scoring more than 28ppg (3 over 30)
In 2000 only 2 players were scoring more than 28ppg (none over 30)

In 2020 14 players average over 10rpg (8 over 12, 5 over 13, highest 16.8)
In 2000 only 7 players averaged over 10rpg (3 over 12, 2 over 13, highest 14.1)

In 2020 62 players attempt more than 5 3's per game
In 2000 7 players attempt more than 5 3's per game

In 2020 17 players shoot 7 or more 3's per game
In 2000 nobody shoots 7 or more 3's per game
PACE.

[elementally morale]

ppg would go down more than rpg and apg and eff would go down the most

with rpg and apg you can re-calibrate using number of possessions, aka pace

with ppg you have pace of game, more 3 pointers attempted and more free throws

So a 30/10/5 guy now is probably a 22/8/4 guy in 2003.


QFT. :applause:

[hiphopanonymous]

ppg would go down more than rpg and apg and eff would go down the most

with rpg and apg you can re-calibrate using number of possessions, aka pace

with ppg you have pace of game, more 3 pointers attempted and more free throws

So a 30/10/5 guy now is probably a 22/8/4 guy in 2003.
This seems reasonable - thanks :cheers:

[hiphopanonymous]

PACE.
Eh... pace effects roleplayers more than the superstars. You'll have less roleplayers averaging 15-20ppg and more like 8-10pgg on a '00's roster vs today's 2020 rosters with multiple 15-20+ 3rd and 4th options.

The data to back that up is:

8 players today average more than 20 shots per game peaking at 24
6 players in 2000 also shot more than 20 shots per game peaking at 24

Which is almost the same vs some of those other stark contrast stat examples.

So the superstars are still getting the same number of shots up. Today's shots are just way less effectively defended - the 3 point line is almost like an open gym shoot around right now.

[hiphopanonymous]

This lmao


The era that was so bad it was on life support until Lebron/Wade/Melo came around :oldlol:


Hack a Wallace, Hack a Shaq, YIKES :yaohappy:
2000 Shaq FTA per game: 10

2020 Giannis FTA per game 11, Harden FTA per game: 14

If 10 FTA is life support what is 14!? :biggums:

[RRR3]

Eh... pace effects roleplayers more than the superstars. You'll have less roleplayers averaging 15-20ppg and more like 8-10pgg on a '00's roster vs today's 2020 rosters with multiple 15-20+ 3rd and 4th options.

The data to back that up is:

8 players today average more than 20 shots per game peaking at 24
6 players in 2000 also shot more than 20 shots per game peaking at 24

Which is almost the same vs some of those other stark contrast stat examples.

So the superstars are still getting the same number of shots up. Today's shots are just way less effectively defended - the 3 point line is almost like an open gym shoot around right now.
No it affects superstars raw totals.

Giannis is averaging 33.5 points per 36 minutes. In 2003, T-Mac averaged 29.3 points per 36.

However per 100 possessions, T-Mac averaged 42.0 PTS to Giannis’ 41.8.

[SouBeachTalents]

They're undoubtedly inflated in the regular season, it'd be nearly impossible to argue otherwise. At least they fall back down to earth come playoff time

[LostCause]

It's not just pace or skill

The game is just different.

Defense just doesn't have as much impact, at least not in the season. In fact, defenders aren't nearly as respected either. Look at Rudy Gobert. 2x DPOY, 2x All-NBA. 0 All-star games. Not even the coaches picked him. Remember the All-Star game? That thing they literally had to have a meeting for in order to address how utterly boring it was even though all sorts of scoring records were being broken? It's an extreme example, but it's the way the league is currently trending.

So obviously at some point it will go in the other direction. I don't see this happening until LeBron retires, though. Not for any nefarious reasons or anything weird, just that his marketability basically "distracts" from the on-court product. Once he's gone and the NBA takes a noticable hit to their ratings, they'll reassess the product on the floor and realize it's not as enjoyable due to it not being as competitive (Easy to tell as the playoffs are vastly more entertaining with the rules/guidelines on defense being eased). Similar to post-Jordan, where the leagues ratings tanked and they decided to "open the game up"

As with every era, when it does occur people will look back at all the inflation currently going on with disbelief and call it "weak".

[hiphopanonymous]

[QUOTE=RRR3]No it affects superstars raw totals.

Giannis is averaging 33.5 points per 36 minutes. In 2003, T-Mac averaged 29.3 points per 36.

However per 100 possessions, T-Mac averaged 42.0 PTS to Giannis

[RRR3]

As far as shot attempts the superstars always "get their shots" regardless of era - to be clear that's what I meant.

Due to the banned defense he gets sent to the line more often, and yes takes more shots in a quicker amount of time.

But superstar scorers tend to take about 20-25 shots a game regardless of era and regardless of minutes. The roleplayers numbers tend to go down more drastically. There are of course exceptions.
My point was Giannis wouldn’t get enough possessions to score at the rate he does now in 2003. That wouldn’t make him worse, though.

[superduper]

Conclusion: This era is straight up embarrassing with defense being absolutely ban and stats in the '10s decade should be taken with a grain of salt.

[hiphopanonymous]

[QUOTE=RRR3]My point was Giannis wouldn

[RRR3]

Conclusion: This era is straight up embarrassing with defense being absolutely ban and stats in the '10s decade should be taken with a grain of salt.g
Lmao this explosion has only happened the last two years after Silver banned grabbing players off ball and retardedly changed the time put back on the clock after an offensive rebound to 14 when it had been 24.

[SpaceJam2]

Imagine comparing guys who cant shoot (90s era) to guys who can shoot (modern era)

Imagine comparing wing defenders like Hornacek and Starks (90s era) to wing defenders like Kawhi and Klay (modern era)


Another day

:dancin

Another win

:hammertime:

[ImKobe]

Lebron 15/5/7
Doncic 20/6/5
Harden 22/5/5
Giannis 21/12/3
AD 22/13/4

[LostCause]

Imagine comparing guys who cant shoot (90s era) to guys who can shoot (modern era)

Imagine comparing wing defenders like Hornacek and Starks (90s era) to wing defenders like Kawhi and Klay (modern era)


Another day

:dancin

Another win

:hammertime:

Imagine coming into a thread talking about the early 2000s and 2020 but bringing up the 90s :lol :oldlol:

[hiphopanonymous]

Imagine comparing guys who cant shoot (90s era) to guys who can shoot (modern era)

Imagine comparing wing defenders like Hornacek and Starks (90s era) to wing defenders like Kawhi and Klay (modern era)


Another day

:dancin

Another win

:hammertime:
FT% 1990: 76%

FT% 2020: 76%

That's the only thing where rules haven't altered the game. Standing there behind that line is literally the only consistent baseline that has stayed the same. So why is free throw percentage the same? Aren't the shooters way better?

Or are they just way better at shooting the ball when *defended










*(banned in the modern game)

[RRR3]

Lebron 15/5/7
Doncic 20/6/5
Harden 22/5/5
Giannis 21/12/3
AD 22/13/4
https://youtu.be/sTSA_sWGM44

[SpaceJam2]

FT% 1990: 76%

FT% 2020: 76%

That's the only thing where rules haven't altered the game. Standing there behind that line is literally the only consistent baseline that has stayed the same. So why is free throw percentage the same? Aren't the shooters way better?

Or are they just way better at shooting the ball when *defended










*(banned in the modern game)

Do you want John Starks guarding you or Kawhi Leonard?
Hornacek or Iggy?
Ehlo or PG13?
Byron Russell or Klay Thompson?

Get it now?

[hiphopanonymous]

Do you want John Starks guarding you or Kawhi Leonard?
Hornacek or Iggy?
Ehlo or PG13?
Byron Russell or Klay Thompson?

Get it now?
When I pick those guys defending me am I also picking the defensive rules by the era they played in?

Cause let me take 3 steps to the hoop while stiff arming or hooking the arms of Iggy and Kawhi as a ref blows a foul against them for touching my off-arm (which I initiated on purpose) all day.

The 90s equivalents by reputation are Payton and MJ... and they'd be terrifying and far more effective than Iggy and Kawhi with their 90's rules on defense.

[hiphopanonymous]

Do you want John Starks guarding you or Kawhi Leonard?
Hornacek or Iggy?
Ehlo or PG13?
Byron Russell or Klay Thompson?

Get it now?
Do you want Karl Malone clubbing you on the head while Stockton literally is shoving (as he's allowed) you while you try to dribble or Draymond Green turning into a traffic cone statue to "draw a charge" as the Steph Curry sprints at you like a matador with his hands straight up in the air not allowed to touch you for fear of sending you to the line?

This era's defense is a complete joke man even you know this :oldlol:

[SpaceJam2]

When I pick those guys defending me am I also picking the defensive rules by the era they played in?

Cause let me take 3 steps to the hoop while stiff arming or hooking the arms of Iggy and Kawhi as a ref blows a foul against them for touching my off-arm (which I initiated on purpose) all day.

The 90s equivalents by reputation are Payton and MJ... and they'd be terrifying and far more effective than Iggy and Kawhi with their 90's rules on defense.

90s guys didn't know how to defend, they just put people in headlocks. It was very primitive time for the National Basketball Association.

ILLEGAL ZONE (80s and 90s)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgfaF7NUUAEq7oY.jpg

ZONE (2004 and up)
https://videos.files.wordpress.com/MQcYIRV8/clip-3_dvd.original.jpg

[LostCause]

Do you want Michael Jordan guarding you or Kawhi Leonard?
Pippen or Iggy?
Alvin Robertson or PG13?
Glove or Klay Thompson?

Get it now?

Yeah

[LostCause]

ZONE (2004 and up)
https://videos.files.wordpress.com/MQcYIRV8/clip-3_dvd.original.jpg

Oh you mean that thing Larry Bird made a career out of doing defensively?

Also:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NLv2F33snCE/hqdefault.jpg

[SpaceJam2]

It was very primitive time for the National Basketball Association.

ILLEGAL ZONE (80s and 90s)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CgfaF7NUUAEq7oY.jpg


Anyone?

[red1]

bro if kobe was able to catch a rape charge in the athlete friendly 2000s then how many rape charges would he have in the modern, social-media, catfish, me-too era?





he'd catch a new rape charge and snitch on a new teammate every single year.

[Hey Yo]

When I pick those guys defending me am I also picking the defensive rules by the era they played in?

Cause let me take 3 steps to the hoop while stiff arming or hooking the arms of Iggy and Kawhi as a ref blows a foul against them for touching my off-arm (which I initiated on purpose) all day.

The 90s equivalents by reputation are Payton and MJ... and they'd be terrifying and far more effective than Iggy and Kawhi with their 90's rules on defense.
LOL @ thinking MJ never got those calls.

Like Magic said in the photo shoot....can't get too close to MJ or it's a foul.

[LostCause]

Anyone?
https://www.nba.com/bulls/sites/bulls/files/styles/hi_res_full_width/public/gettyimages-98576243_0.jpg

Guys? Bron fam? Gonna back up your boy?

[elementally morale]

Do you want John Starks guarding you or Kawhi Leonard?
Hornacek or Iggy?
Ehlo or PG13?
Byron Russell or Klay Thompson?

Get it now?


Hakeem guarding you or KAT?
Joe Dumars or Devin Booker?
Rodman or Galinari?
Payton or Rubio?

Get it now?

[hiphopanonymous]

Hakeem guarding you or KAT?
Joe Dumars or Devin Booker?
Rodman or Galinari?
Payton or Rubio?

Get it now?
:oldlol:

[hiphopanonymous]

Speaking of Devin Booker didn