The more Bradley Beals there are, the worse it looks for stat stans

[STATUTORY]

Bradley Beal putting up unprecedented historical numbers. There are only 2 explanations:

1) Bradley beal is the greatest SG since MJ

2) Stats dont mean shit nowdays

good luck convincing ppl of the 1st

the more otherworldly statlines we see, the less value public will place on it. More and more people are waking up to the fact that offensive stats are easy to come by in the current NBA.

Even Bran stan Kellerman called it the "juiced era" the other day.

[MaxPlayer]

I'm pretty sure that the general public will remain blissfully ignorant of statistics regardless of what Bradley Beal does.

[NBASTATMAN]

Bradley Beal putting up unprecedented historical numbers. There are only 2 explanations:

1) Bradley beal is the greatest SG since MJ

2) Stats dont mean shit nowdays

good luck convincing ppl of the 1st

the more otherworldly statlines we see, the less value public will place on it. More and more people are waking up to the fact that offensive stats are easy to come by in the current NBA.

Even Bran stan Kellerman called it the "juiced era" the other day.



THIS STATUTORY GUY IS :mad: :cry: :cry: :roll:

[Bronbron23]

Bradley Beal putting up unprecedented historical numbers. There are only 2 explanations:

1) Bradley beal is the greatest SG since MJ

2) Stats dont mean shit nowdays

good luck convincing ppl of the 1st

the more otherworldly statlines we see, the less value public will place on it. More and more people are waking up to the fact that offensive stats are easy to come by in the current NBA.

Even Bran stan Kellerman called it the "juiced era" the other day.
I wouldn't say they don't mean shit but they're definitely overblown these days. Beal is a 20-24 pts per game in any other era. That's still pretty good but nowhere near what he's able to do in this era.

[hiphopanonymous]

I'm pretty sure that the general public will remain blissfully ignorant of statistics regardless of what Bradley Beal does.
U kidding? ESPN never fails to mention records being broken left right and center on a weekly basis. In the past they had to hedge most of them with "since 1993" and other weird fine-print that they hope no one notices but now that the league opened up the gather step, enabled stiff arming and hook arming, and banned defense entirely - actual records are starting to become breakable now, and they are reporting every minute of it. The public is being told to believe this is the greatest era in history - based on this statistical surge.

Is it? You decide.

[tontoz]

This is a nonsensical argument from people who dont understand stats.

First of all the Wizards have played only 13 games, fewest in the league. Beal has been playing big minutes but hasn't had to worry about fatigue because the games have been spaced out.

Secondly 13 games is a pretty small sample size. You are comparing a 13 game sample to season long numbers. There have been plenty of guards who had runs comparable to what Beal has done now over a 1 month span.

Per 100 possessions Beal is averaging 37.6 pts. Gilbert Arenas averaged over 36 points for 100 possessions in back to back seasons over 10 years ago. Does anyone consider those years historic? When was the last time anyone mentioned Arenas on here as a player?

[hiphopanonymous]

This is a nonsensical argument from people who dont understand stats.

First of all the Wizards have played only 13 games, fewest in the league. Beal has been playing big minutes but hasn't had to worry about fatigue because the games have been spaced out.

Secondly 13 games is a pretty small sample size. You are comparing a 13 game sample to season long numbers. There have been plenty of guards who had runs comparable to what Beal has done now over a 1 month span.

Per 100 possessions Beal is averaging 37.6 pts. Gilbert Arenas averaged over 36 points for 100 possessions in back to back seasons over 10 years ago. Does anyone consider those years historic? When was the last time anyone mentioned Arenas on here as a player?
History and fans over the world are never going to look at "per 100 possessions" they look at points per game

That's the thing.... You reveal Beal isn't doing anything spectacular when you dissect some obscure nuance stat, but per game which is all anyone will care about, he is. The point of this thread is we know he's no MJ... but on paper, he's going down like he's MJ. A casual fan will care not what you just mentioned about possessions. They won't even understand it.

I think OP is pointing out an awkward truth and that is, we keep touting all the stats of these players this past few seasons... at some point maybe we should be considering are they really as good as say, peak MJ? We've got guys averaging triple doubles - averaging 40, but in a league where a guy like Beal is putting up peak MJ numbers.. is this not worth a friendly reminder from time to time that these stats are ...undoubtedly inflated?

[tontoz]

History and fans over the world are never going to look at "per 100 possessions" they look at points per game

That's the thing.... You reveal Beal isn't doing anything spectacular when you dissect some obscure nuance stat, but per game which is all anyone will care about, he is. The point of this thread is we know he's no MJ... but on paper, he's going down like he's MJ. A casual fan will care not what you just mentioned about possessions. They won't even understand it.

I think OP is pointing out an awkward truth and that is, we keep touting all the stats of these players this past few seasons... at some point maybe we should be considering are they really as good as say, peak MJ? We've got guys averaging triple doubles - averaging 40, but in a league where a guy like Beal is putting up peak MJ numbers.. is this not worth a friendly reminder from time to time that these stats are ...undoubtedly inflated?


If people don't understand the stats that doesnt make the stats any less valid.

It is common knowledge that the pace is faster now. If people don't understand that then the problem is with them, not the actual stats.

Saying Beal is putting up prime MJ numbers is just ignorant.

[hiphopanonymous]

If people don't understand the stats that doesnt make the stats any less valid.

It is common knowledge that the pace is faster now. If people don't understand that then the problem is with them, not the actual stats.

Saying Beal is putting up prime MJ numbers is just ignorant.
The big 3 stats always will be points, rebounds, and assists

And that's what people look at throughout history

Talk to 100 basketball fans and only 10 of them may even be capable of understanding possessions and of them only 3 of them would probably even care.

You'll have 90 fans out of 100 thinking Beal was as capable a player as MJ in 15 years time if Beal does this for a few seasons I guarantee that. They won't think the players of todays stats are inflated due to pace, they'll think the players of the past sucked. I'm not saying it's right or wrong it's just something I think that will happen based on the current trend of stats.

[AussieSteve]

Stats on a lottery team have never meant anything.

[HylianNightmare]

I'm pretty sure that the general public will remain blissfully ignorant of statistics regardless of what Bradley Beal does.
Exactly I can't believe this is even a thread this form has had some silly threads in its day but wow

[tontoz]

The big 3 stats always will be points, rebounds, and assists

And that's what people look at throughout history

Talk to 100 basketball fans and only 10 of them may even be capable of understanding possessions and of them only 3 of them would probably even care.

You'll have 90 fans out of 100 thinking Beal was as capable a player as MJ in 15 years time if Beal does this for a few seasons I guarantee that. They won't think the players of todays stats are inflated due to pace, they'll think the players of the past sucked. I'm not saying it's right or wrong it's just something I think that will happen based on the current trend of stats.


If you are able to foresee what people are going to be saying in 15 years..... can you give me next weeks lottery numbers?

Jordan averaged 30 per game for his career. He averaged 37 in year 3.

Beal's career average is 20. He didn't average 20 ppg for an entire season until year 5. This is his 8th season and the first time he has sniffed MJ's career average.

Pretty sure nobody is going to be comparing Beal to MJ in 15 years regardless of what Beal does going forward.

[StrongLurk]

OP is a moron, doesn't actually care about bradley beal, and actually cares about discrediting Lebron.

[egokiller]

Bradley Beal putting up unprecedented historical numbers. There are only 2 explanations:

1) Bradley beal is the greatest SG since MJ

2) Stats dont mean shit nowdays

good luck convincing ppl of the 1st

the more otherworldly statlines we see, the less value public will place on it. More and more people are waking up to the fact that offensive stats are easy to come by in the current NBA.

Even Bran stan Kellerman called it the "juiced era" the other day.

It's almost as if this very thing confirms the shit defense allowed to be played in today's game.

Oh wait...:roll:

[tontoz]

For the record the wizards have a West coast road trip next week. 4 games in 6 nights against winning teams. They haven't had a tough stretch like this so far. Curious to see how they do.

[ralph_i_el]

1970s-80s stats are inflated too. Really, we should just think of 90's stats as deflated relative to the rest of b-ball history.

Beal is shooting ~58% true shooting. Nobody is getting him confused with MJ. Plenty of lesser (compared to the ATGs) stars have averaged 30ppg in the past.

[SpaceJam2]

Most people don't put too much value into regular season stats anyway...

You just now found this out? :lol

[SpaceJam2]

By the way, you're a moron if you think he will sustain these #s for the entire season

[ImKobe]

1970s-80s stats are inflated too. Really, we should just think of 90's stats as deflated relative to the rest of b-ball history.

Beal is shooting ~58% true shooting. Nobody is getting him confused with MJ. Plenty of lesser (compared to the ATGs) stars have averaged 30ppg in the past.

It is true, Adrian Dantley had like 3 or 4 30 ppg seasons on bad/average Jazz teams in the 80s, I guess you can find a couple lesser players who have done it, but I think it's true that it is easier to average 30 ppg in this era like it was before the 90s due to the pace of the game. We had a midget ass IT average 29 ppg and be in the MVP conversation in 2017. We'd see a lot more 30+ ppg seasons if players today played 38-42 minutes per game like they used to.

Doncic is in his 2nd season and is averaging close to 30 in just 33 mpg, it's insane really for a 2nd year white euro wing player.

[ralph_i_el]

It is true, Adrian Dantley had like 3 or 4 30 ppg seasons on bad/average Jazz teams in the 80s, I guess you can find a couple lesser players who have done it, but I think it's true that it is easier to average 30 ppg in this era like it was before the 90s due to the pace of the game. We had a midget ass IT average 29 ppg and be in the MVP conversation in 2017. We'd see a lot more 30+ ppg seasons if players today played 38-42 minutes per game like they used to.

Doncic is in his 2nd season and is averaging close to 30 in just 33 mpg, it's insane really for a 2nd year white euro wing player.

Doncic is something else.

[bison]

Last season also started with multiple players averaging 30+ ppg. By game 82 only harden averaged over 30. It will happen this season too. Relax.

[tontoz]

Last season also started with multiple players averaging 30+ ppg. By game 82 only harden averaged over 30. It will happen this season too. Relax.


Exactly. By the end of the season I expect Beal to be in the 27-28 range which I am perfectly happy with.

[BigTicket]

Bradley Beal is actually a perfect example of the value advanced stats bring. If you look at his basic stats, like ppg, he looks amazing. However, if you look at his advanced stats instead, you'll see that he is mediocre.

He has a PER of 23 currently, only .14 WS/48, and his defensive +/- are terrible.

[dreamshake]

Bradley Beal putting up unprecedented historical numbers. There are only 2 explanations:

1) Bradley beal is the greatest SG since MJ

2) Stats dont mean shit nowdays

good luck convincing ppl of the 1st

the more otherworldly statlines we see, the less value public will place on it. More and more people are waking up to the fact that offensive stats are easy to come by in the current NBA.

Even Bran stan Kellerman called it the "juiced era" the other day.

Yup, LeBron's stats look impressive. The difference between this season and last season? Lakers brought on Superstar Anthony Davis.

[ImKobe]

Bradley Beal is actually a perfect example of the value advanced stats bring. If you look at his basic stats, like ppg, he looks amazing. However, if you look at his advanced stats instead, you'll see that he is mediocre.

He has a PER of 23 currently, only .14 WS/48, and his defensive +/- are terrible.

That doesn't mean he's not as good as his raw averages, he's just playing on a bad defensive team. 23 PER is way above league average and he's putting up 30 points on ~59%TS which is elite no matter how you slice it. .14 WS/48 on a 5-9 team shows you how good he is and how bad the guys around him are. Him, Thomas Bryant and Moritz Wagner (former Laker who's beasting rn) are all really good but that bench and IT have lost them games.

Beal averages 23 ppg for his Playoffs career, it's not like we haven't seen similar stuff before, he's just reaching his prime and has the green light due to playing on one of the worst teams, but his individual scoring ability is still among the league best, he's one of the better high-volume 3-point shooters and now he's worked on his playmaking and getting to the FT line so it's not a surprise he's averaging 30/5/7, he averaged 26/5/6 last year on near-identical percentages, he'll keep it up.

[Keno]

someone is mad that beal is better than their hero fraudbe. :(

[Phenith]

It's pretty common knowledge that good stats on bad teams aren't to be taken in high regard.

Beal on a good team = all star
Beal on a bad team = faux superstar

Bottom line is that if the Wiz had the players to be a good team, Beal wouldn't be able to put up those stats.
I honestly didn't even know his stats were that good until this thread made me go look. The team needs to win games if he is to be considered a legit superstar.

[LostCause]

Stats are greatly inflated this era. Nothing new.

[tontoz]

For the record the wizards have a West coast road trip next week. 4 games in 6 nights against winning teams. They haven't had a tough stretch like this so far. Curious to see how they do.


Over the last 5 games Beal is averaging 22 ppg. His season average is 28 now.

People are getting too worked up about small sample size stats.

[SpaceJam2]

Already down to 28 on 47% and fading fast :lol

[SpaceJam2]

Over the last 5 games Beal is averaging 22 ppg. His season average is 28 now.

People are getting too worked up about small sample size stats.

He will likely drop even further. He was at 25.6 ppg last season