Will we ever see real physical basketball ever again?

[egokiller]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79AEcctiOzU

Go up for a pump fake, get put in a headlock, take your foul shots. It's all good. Get elbowed and knocked down? Play continues with refs dragging you off the court. Can you imagine the sheltered players of today having to play under this 1989 rule set? :roll:

[STATUTORY]

seeing guys running up and down the court hoisitng up 3s against absolutely no resistance is only entertaining if you are a third world pleb with no taste

that's where majority of NBA viewership is nowdays. The product is absolute trash. Discerning American fans are turning the channel.

[egokiller]

Agreed. It doesn't take much to please these shit hole countries.

[keep-itreal]

Yes that's right OP. Everytime a player drives to the basket he gets mauled to death by opposing defenders :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekHYxTHEHf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zONvMKkIpwA
:30 "ice cream truck driver":roll:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcktdn1WnaU

:roll:

[LAmbruh]

Yes that's right OP. Everytime a player drives to the basket he gets mauled to death by opposing defenders :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekHYxTHEHf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zONvMKkIpwA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcktdn1WnaU

:roll:

grocery baggers :roll: :roll:

[egokiller]

He found 3 videos of bad defense during regular season play in a whole era of basketball.
Not one playoff example. :roll:

[Manny98]

Yes that's right OP. Everytime a player drives to the basket he gets mauled to death by opposing defenders :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekHYxTHEHf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zONvMKkIpwA
:30 "ice cream truck driver":roll:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcktdn1WnaU

:roll:
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[scuzzy]

He found 3 videos of bad defense during regular season play in a whole era of basketball.
Not one playoff example. :roll:
And you found one series where Jordan got his shit pushed in :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[keep-itreal]

He found 3 videos of bad defense during regular season play in a whole era of basketball.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/83/eb/59/83eb59e66917e1521e9da14fcbfab026.jpg

:roll:

[BigShotBob]

It may cycle its way back when big men and low post play reemerge, but that is doubtful.

Regular season is unbearable, but the postseason is about 80% of what the game used to be in 2006 in terms of physicality. They let a lot of things go.

[keep-itreal]

https://fadeawayworld.net/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/LeBron-James-and-Andre-Iguodala-Ronald-Martinez-Getty-Images-e1434113911582.jpg

https://pm1.narvii.com/6595/8defb8e8cd3a16622c40139071123b06a39510cd_hq.jpg

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https://clutchpoints.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/LeBron-James-1.jpg



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[egokiller]

I am one of 5 individuals posting in this thread.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Didn't even call it a flagrant in the game. Forearm shiver to the throat and its a common foul. (Upgraded to flagrant 2 after the game).
https://media.giphy.com/media/hosXyvxLIN4yADp7PK/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/U44XBFxAc1gDuJsjg8/giphy.gif

Ibaka breaks LeBron's nose and they don't even call a foul.

https://media.giphy.com/media/j1zDeZ9x8JCte0oJsY/giphy.gif

[Manny98]

Didn't even call it a flagrant in the game. Forearm shiver to the throat and its a common foul. (Upgraded to flagrant 2 after the game).
https://media.giphy.com/media/hosXyvxLIN4yADp7PK/giphy.gif
https://media.giphy.com/media/U44XBFxAc1gDuJsjg8/giphy.gif

Ibaka breaks LeBron's nose and they don't even call a foul.

https://media.giphy.com/media/j1zDeZ9x8JCte0oJsY/giphy.gif
The physicality in todays game is absolutely brutal compared to the cupcake 90s :oldlol:

[madmax]

grocery baggers :roll: :roll:

:lol
in fact, that's how your regular NBA game looked back then, not some mythical physical battles until you bleed to death or tap out to avoid a chokehold...:oldlol:

[egokiller]

https://youtu.be/EL7_dCokJhQ

https://youtu.be/OKjr_3bmmao

Too many examples. More to come.

[LAmbruh]

:lol
in fact, that's how your regular NBA game looked back then, not some mythical physical battles until you bleed to death or tap out to avoid a chokehold...:oldlol:

Back when OP was 5yo's in 1989 guys like Antoine Carr seemed like a juggernaut, similar to his Tooth Fairy being real :oldlol:

[egokiller]

Anyone who watched back then knows that guys used to get slammed to the ground and no flagrant was called because it didn

[Ainosterhaspie]

https://youtu.be/EL7_dCokJhQ

https://youtu.be/OKjr_3bmmao

Too many examples. More to come.
First video is a bunch of fights. Has no place in the game, and it's good they got rid of that crap.

Second video has nothing that stands out as different from today. I don't care what former players say. Every generation says the same thing about the next one.

[Ainosterhaspie]

[QUOTE=egokiller]Anyone who watched back then knows that guys used to get slammed to the ground and no flagrant was called because it didn

[egokiller]

First video is a bunch of fights. Has no place in the game, and it's good they got rid of that crap.

Second video has nothing that stands out as different from today. I don't care what former players say. Every generation says the same thing about the next one.

And each generation is spot on as each generation becomes softer than the previous one in all things, not just basketball. It

[egokiller]

Flagrant foul was modified in 1990-1991 and basically made the Pistons illegal. So if you're talking about the 80s, your comment makes sense. But the NBA ushered in a kinder gentler era to begin the 90s. Coincidently Jordan began winning at exactly the same time.

It also makes sense all the way to present day. They started calling every little touch foul on Curry and Klay to the point where defenses were afraid of being whistled and magically they start winning. Go figure.

[MaxPlayer]

[QUOTE=egokiller]And each generation is spot on as each generation becomes softer than the previous one in all things, not just basketball. It

[egokiller]

Yeah and most things have steadily gotten better for 1000+ years despite everyone's bitching.

Define “better”? Spending more to be better to offset the pussification so that the result is being in more debt to China than ever before?

Take the most simple example. More busses and kids being picked up and dropped off in front of their homes is technically “better” but at what additional cost to city residents? Gotta pay more since parents feel their kids are too soft to walk a few blocks to the bus stop and stand in the cold while they wait. :oldlol:

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=egokiller]And each generation is spot on as each generation becomes softer than the previous one in all things, not just basketball. It

[egokiller]

Ok Boomer :lol

Me and those my age wish we were as tough as boomers. At least we are tougher than millennials who are tougher than zoomers. :applause:

[Micku]

Flagrant foul was modified in 1990-1991 and basically made the Pistons illegal. So if you're talking about the 80s, your comment makes sense. But the NBA ushered in a kinder gentler era to begin the 90s. Coincidently Jordan began winning at exactly the same time.

Each decade they soften the rules tho. The 70s was more physical than the 80s. The 80s was physical, but the Pistons abused it. You could see the Celts do some stuff. Some flagrant fouls/tech fouls that it's obvious today weren't back then.

90s had the Knicks and the Bulls. But around mid 90s, they soften the rules again with the handchecking. And the Malice at the Palace along with Shaq dominating, big men clogging the paint, slow ass pace, and a bunch of iso ball, they changed the rules to speed up the pace and wing players.

I think they soften the rules again like a year or two ago. LeBron was complaining how they can't even play defense anymore or that it was really difficult? And every player at least once a decade said that since the 70s. I recall ppl saying that about MJ in 1991. Saying how the league soft up since the 70s, but like how the Pistons were guarding him.

Wilt was saying that about Shaq or MJ or something. Doc Rivers complained about the rules changing in 1995 about how they soften up the hand checking and complained about you can't play defense anymore. After 05, ppl complained about it too.

The only time when defense improved and got too good with is when they implemented zone in 2001-02. They put in the 3 defensive sec rule. Stars were complaining about it, but they tried to stop the huge amount of iso ball. Specifically Shaq. It lasted all the way until the 04.

So, naw. I doubt physical play will come back. Some of the stuff could be straight up bad. Like the Pistons cheap shots was bad, and that ain't coming back.

The league notice since Magic, Bird, and MJ that the wing players make the league popular. They would encourage it and make money from it. Plus the spacing and coaching philosophy changed. I doubt they would ever go back, but it depends on the popularity. The league tends to think that scoring=rating. Plus stars. So, they would help with that instead of going back to the 70s or early 00s.

Ooh. And the fights. No fights.

[NBAGOAT]

[QUOTE=egokiller]Define

[egokiller]

god you really are dumb. Pretty sure safety has a lot to do with those changes. Also at the very least technology keeps improving

Safety? No one had a problem back then. What technology improved? More busses being purchased and more bus drivers being hired? Do you even think before you post?

[egokiller]

Each decade they soften the rules tho. The 70s was more physical than the 80s. The 80s was physical, but the Pistons abused it. You could see the Celts do some stuff. Some flagrant fouls/tech fouls that it's obvious today weren't back then.

90s had the Knicks and the Bulls. But around mid 90s, they soften the rules again with the handchecking. And the Malice at the Palace along with Shaq dominating, big men clogging the paint, slow ass pace, and a bunch of iso ball, they changed the rules to speed up the pace and wing players.

I think they soften the rules again like a year or two ago. LeBron was complaining how they can't even play defense anymore or that it was really difficult? And every player at least once a decade said that since the 70s. I recall ppl saying that about MJ in 1991. Saying how the league soft up since the 70s, but like how the Pistons were guarding him.

Wilt was saying that about Shaq or MJ or something. Doc Rivers complained about the rules changing in 1995 about how they soften up the hand checking and complained about you can't play defense anymore. After 05, ppl complained about it too.

The only time when defense improved and got too good with is when they implemented zone in 2001-02. They put in the 3 defensive sec rule. Stars were complaining about it, but they tried to stop the huge amount of iso ball. Specifically Shaq. It lasted all the way until the 04.

So, naw. I doubt physical play will come back. Some of the stuff could be straight up bad. Like the Pistons cheap shots was bad, and that ain't coming back.

The league notice since Magic, Bird, and MJ that the wing players make the league popular. They would encourage it and make money from it. Plus the spacing and coaching philosophy changed. I doubt they would ever go back, but it depends on the popularity. The league tends to think that scoring=rating. Plus stars. So, they would help with that instead of going back to the 70s or early 00s.

Ooh. And the fights. No fights.

Excellent post. :applause:

[Ainosterhaspie]

Each decade they soften the rules tho. The 70s was more physical than the 80s. The 80s was physical, but the Pistons abused it. You could see the Celts do some stuff. Some flagrant fouls/tech fouls that it's obvious today weren't back then.

90s had the Knicks and the Bulls. But around mid 90s, they soften the rules again with the handchecking. And the Malice at the Palace along with Shaq dominating, big men clogging the paint, slow ass pace, and a bunch of iso ball, they changed the rules to speed up the pace and wing players.

I think they soften the rules again like a year or two ago. LeBron was complaining how they can't even play defense anymore or that it was really difficult? And every player at least once a decade said that since the 70s. I recall ppl saying that about MJ in 1991. Saying how the league soft up since the 70s, but like how the Pistons were guarding him.

Wilt was saying that about Shaq or MJ or something. Doc Rivers complained about the rules changing in 1995 about how they soften up the hand checking and complained about you can't play defense anymore. After 05, ppl complained about it too.

The only time when defense improved and got too good with is when they implemented zone in 2001-02. They put in the 3 defensive sec rule. Stars were complaining about it, but they tried to stop the huge amount of iso ball. Specifically Shaq. It lasted all the way until the 04.

So, naw. I doubt physical play will come back. Some of the stuff could be straight up bad. Like the Pistons cheap shots was bad, and that ain't coming back.

The league notice since Magic, Bird, and MJ that the wing players make the league popular. They would encourage it and make money from it. Plus the spacing and coaching philosophy changed. I doubt they would ever go back, but it depends on the popularity. The league tends to think that scoring=rating. Plus stars. So, they would help with that instead of going back to the 70s or early 00s.

Ooh. And the fights. No fights.
Good post. :applause:

I think people get too locked in on specific small details and lose bigger picture. Yes they sort of banned handchecking in 04, but handchecking plus zone made defense overpowered. Taking away handchecking evened it back out and ORtgs returned to the norm compared to most of the 80s and 90s.

Then people forget little things that weakened offense like banning the Barkley backdown. And this year they've really clamped down on traveling, at least some of it. The KD rip through was changed to a non shooting foul. There've been tweaks to check offense as well as defense, but the "you can't play defense crowd always ignores those".

Personally I think defenders holding and pushing (handchecking) should be banned. That's not what basketball is supposed to be about. It's a lazy, cop out defensive tool. Defense should be about good footwork to stay in front and close enough to contest and fast hands to cleanly pick the ball and get blocks. I'm far more impressed watching guys that can do that than guys who just hold and push the offensive player. That takes no talent and shouldn't be encouraged.

One of the big reasons offense has opened up so much isn't because defenders can't hand check, it's because offensive players are setting illegal screens that aren't getting called. It's impossible to get around these illegal screens and that's a big reason the offensive player is getting great looks. Many modern defenders would be able to stick with there man around screens if the screener wasn't allowed to throw out their hip and elbows. Crack down on that and defense will look better.

It's also because everybody is learning to shoot threes. That a strategic offensive improvement over the previous generation. It's an improved skill that is worked on today by just about everyone and was largely ignored in earlier eras. Of course offense looks better when everyone is looking for a three and can actually hit them at a decent rate. Players aren't good at shooting threes because handchecking is.theoretically banned, it's because they intensely practice the shot.

[Keno]

Yes that's right OP. Everytime a player drives to the basket he gets mauled to death by opposing defenders :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekHYxTHEHf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zONvMKkIpwA
:30 "ice cream truck driver":roll:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcktdn1WnaU

:roll:

:roll: :roll: :roll: what a ****ing joke of an era

[scuzzy]

:roll: :roll: :roll: what a ****ing joke of an era

that 2nd video is hilarious :oldlol:

[bullettooth]

The physicality in todays game is absolutely brutal compared to the cupcake 90s :oldlol:

Do you also tell yourself you don't have a Filipino micropenis?

[G0ATbe]

Yes that's right OP. Everytime a player drives to the basket he gets mauled to death by opposing defenders :rolleyes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekHYxTHEHf0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zONvMKkIpwA
:30 "ice cream truck driver":roll:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcktdn1WnaU

:roll:
:roll: :roll: :roll: nostalgia runs through old heads veins like a plague theyll never acknowledge the game has improved