Detroit fans: Is Andre Drummond hitting the next level or is it just this era?

[hiphopanonymous]

He's 26 so he could be hitting his stride, or this could be this eras pace and lack of defense but it's very notable that he's averaging career highs in all categories:

18.5ppg (career high 68.6% FT), 16.7rpg, 3.1apg, 1.9bpg, 1.7spg

That's a serious player on both ends right now on paper... but what's he like to the eye test vs his prior seasons? I saw one game of his this season so far and was actually really impressed on a play that he handled the ball up the court and dished it off last second on the fast break like a guard. Has he always played like that? Is it the era causing his stats or did Drummond really sort of reach the next level?

[brooks_thompson]

I don't see enough Pistons games to qualify as an expert, but I remember near the end of the Van Gundy era people talking about how Stan allowed him to initiate offense from the high post and how he was a good passer. Then of course they traded for Griffin.

It makes me laugh how this guy gets kicked to the curb, and that his seriously all-time great rebounding is just a side-note for him as a player. It's not his fault the Pistons have never had a solid starting lineup, especially guards.

[PeroAntic]

Hes all time great at rebounding, decent as rim protector and downright terrible at everything else. His high fg% is because of tip ins, but he sucks as a finisher and a roll man. Not much of a leaper either and has shit decision making. Pistons need to trade him tbh

[ZenMaster]

Mix of new rules and contract year.

[hiphopanonymous]

Hes all time great at rebounding, decent as rim protector and downright terrible at everything else. His high fg% is because of tip ins, but he sucks as a finisher and a roll man. Not much of a leaper either and has shit decision making. Pistons need to trade him tbh
Dang he's not a good roll man? His body type looks as if it should be elite at that.

How about post-ups and iso plays? Is he a guy that can create offense for his team out of nothing a-la Embiid? Or is he clearly lacking in that department? I knew something was up with his scoring being that he's only 18.5ppg I figured there had to be a catch somewhere. He's an impressive open court player from what I saw for a center even if he's got drawbacks in half court sets.

[Xiao Yao You]

The Pistons are 5-11 in a pathetic conference so he needs to hit a different level than he's hitting

[Bronbron23]

He's 26 so he could be hitting his stride, or this could be this eras pace and lack of defense but it's very notable that he's averaging career highs in all categories:

18.5ppg (career high 68.6% FT), 16.7rpg, 3.1apg, 1.9bpg, 1.7spg

That's a serious player on both ends right now on paper... but what's he like to the eye test vs his prior seasons? I saw one game of his this season so far and was actually really impressed on a play that he handled the ball up the court and dished it off last second on the fast break like a guard. Has he always played like that? Is it the era causing his stats or did Drummond really sort of reach the next level?
I don't think the rules apply to him much. Most of the defensive rules benefit the perimeter players. Big guys are still allowed to hand check and use there forearms and even there legs to be physical and defend. Pace of play could definitely be a factor though. More fowards and centers not being down low because they're shooting threes on the perimeter could also be a factor as to his room increased rebounds.

[sammichoffate]

Dang he's not a good roll man? His body type looks as if it should be elite at that.

How about post-ups and iso plays? Is he a guy that can create offense for his team out of nothing a-la Embiid? Or is he clearly lacking in that department? I knew something was up with his scoring being that he's only 18.5ppg I figured there had to be a catch somewhere. He's an impressive open court player from what I saw for a center even if he's got drawbacks in half court sets.No, he's p average. He also sucks at creating offense, all his points are from hustle plays or assisted. He's putting up stats because the league is playing small ball alot of the time now.

[Xiao Yao You]

No, he's p average. He also sucks at creating offense, all his points are from hustle plays or assisted. He's putting up stats because the league is playing small ball alot of the time now.

Maybe the Pistons ought to go small to so they can win some games?

[jayfan]

He's playing better this season, no doubt. But he's still a liability.

He's like a beautiful home that leaks. Doesn't matter how fantastic the house looks, if you can't stop the leaks, its value takes a big hit.

[ThiccBoi]

Black KLove. Get: points, boards, and 3s but no Ws

[Xiao Yao You]

Black KLove. Get: points, boards, and 3s but no Ws

the new Demarcus!

[sammichoffate]

Maybe the Pistons ought to go small to so they can win some games?Their roster is trash, Blake also gets injured way too much.

[Xiao Yao You]

Their roster is trash, Blake also gets injured way too much.

The east is trash too. If he's great he carries that team. Gobert has for almost 5 years with crappy rosters in the west

[FireDavidKahn]

Dang he's not a good roll man? His body type looks as if it should be elite at that.

How about post-ups and iso plays? Is he a guy that can create offense for his team out of nothing a-la Embiid? Or is he clearly lacking in that department? I knew something was up with his scoring being that he's only 18.5ppg I figured there had to be a catch somewhere. He's an impressive open court player from what I saw for a center even if he's got drawbacks in half court sets.

Roll man: 0.93 PPP - 24th percentile :oldlol:

Post up: 1.05 PPP - 76th percentile

ISO: 1 PPP - 71st percentile.

[sammichoffate]

The east is trash too. If he's great he carries that team. Gobert has for almost 5 years with crappy rosters in the westExcept he's not great and Casey sucks as a coach while Snyder is one of the best. Jazz roster has always been superior, Hayward and Mitchell are better than any player they've had since the 04 team.

[PeroAntic]

Dang he's not a good roll man? His body type looks as if it should be elite at that.

How about post-ups and iso plays? Is he a guy that can create offense for his team out of nothing a-la Embiid? Or is he clearly lacking in that department? I knew something was up with his scoring being that he's only 18.5ppg I figured there had to be a catch somewhere. He's an impressive open court player from what I saw for a center even if he's got drawbacks in half court sets.
Nah hes bad at everything offensively apart from putbacks. And no he gets no threes, guy can barely shoot freethrows.

He is one of the GOAT rebounders tho. You really dont want to be fighting for the ball against him.

[Xiao Yao You]

Except he's not great and Casey sucks as a coach while Snyder is one of the best. Jazz roster has always been superior, Hayward and Mitchell are better than any player they've had since the 04 team.

Funny thing is without Gobert Snyder hasn't looked like a very good coach. They were tanking when Rudy emerged in December of 2014 with Hayward/Favors as their top guys. One of the worst teams in the league. Rudy emerged and they became competitive. After they traded Kanter they were the 6th best team in the league.

The following year instead of adding the vet pg they needed they acted like they were still tanking despite the great finish the year before. Gobert missed a month and for some strange reason they sucked again.

With Hayward going into the last year of his contract the finally upgraded the roster and finished 5th and went to the 2nd round. Despite losing Hayward the next year and downgrading the roster with Rubio and putting Favors back in the starting lineup for some reason they didn't miss a beat except for the two months Rudy was hurt and they once again sucked!

This year their defense was expected to get worse while losing supposedly plus defenders to improve their offense and for some strange reason their defense is better than ever and Bojan has become a plus defender except for last game when they were lit up with Rudy sitting. Great coaching?

Tune in tonight. Rudy is questionable again. The Freak might go for 70 :lol

Rudy has carried them not Hayward, Snyder or Mitchell.

[Phenith]

He puts up good stats on a bad team, but he has absolutely NO jumper which not only makes him predictable with the ball, but lets his defender sag off him and play passing/driving lanes when he doesn't have the ball.

[PeroAntic]

Funny thing is without Gobert Snyder hasn't looked like a very good coach. They were tanking when Rudy emerged in December of 2014 with Hayward/Favors as their top guys. One of the worst teams in the league. Rudy emerged and they became competitive. After they traded Kanter they were the 6th best team in the league.

The following year instead of adding the vet pg they needed they acted like they were still tanking despite the great finish the year before. Gobert missed a month and for some strange reason they sucked again.

With Hayward going into the last year of his contract the finally upgraded the roster and finished 5th and went to the 2nd round. Despite losing Hayward the next year and downgrading the roster with Rubio and putting Favors back in the starting lineup for some reason they didn't miss a beat except for the two months Rudy was hurt and they once again sucked!

This year their defense was expected to get worse while losing supposedly plus defenders to improve their offense and for some strange reason their defense is better than ever and Bojan has become a plus defender except for last game when they were lit up with Rudy sitting. Great coaching?

Tune in tonight. Rudy is questionable again. The Freak might go for 70 :lol

Rudy has carried them not Hayward, Snyder or Mitchell.
Will you stfu about Rudy Gobert, a crippled DRose dropped 50 on him last year driving to the rim all game. :coleman:

[Haymaker]

With his size and athleticism, I would expect him to have better bpg numbers.

[PP34Deuce]

He's an incredible rebounder.

I tend to agree that pace really inflates some of today's stats.

[Xiao Yao You]

Will you stfu about Rudy Gobert, a crippled DRose dropped 50 on him last year driving to the rim all game. :coleman:

as soon as you do the same for Rose :cheers:

[superduper]

Drummond will never be more than the same player he is now and was 3 years ago.

[sammichoffate]

Will you stfu about Rudy Gobert, a crippled DRose dropped 50 on him last year driving to the rim all game. :coleman:He tried to hijack this and turn it into a Gobert thread after I stated my thoughts on Drummond :oldlol:

[superduper]

Will you stfu about Rudy Gobert, a crippled DRose dropped 50 on him last year driving to the rim all game. :coleman:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

He tried to hijack this and turn it into a Gobert thread after I stated my thoughts on Drummond :oldlol:

I was told earlier this year that Drummond was among many centers ahead of Rudy though only embiid and jokic are their teams best players on good teams besides gobert

[sammichoffate]

I was told earlier this year that Drummond was among many centers ahead of Rudy though only embiid and jokic are their teams best players on good teams besides gobertExcept that has nothing to do with what OP was asking so stop trying to fish for replies like those retard trolls spamming the front page.

[Xiao Yao You]

No just another thread about big stats on a losing team