Chris Broussard: Where Are The Great White American NBA Players?

[STATUTORY]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=UVoIUYpZBaw

I have my own theories but I'm curious what y'all gotta say

[90sgoat]

AAU and racism.

[beastee]

In the NFL and MLB. Affluent parents push them forward into other sports because they physically can't compete in the current AAU system.

[90sgoat]

White kids develop slower, reach puberty later.

That means they go up against much larger and more developed black players.

In the AAU which is only focused on winning, that means the don't get a fair shake.

It's even worse for Asians who are the latest to reach puberty.

In Europe, the focus is not on winning, but on skills. Young kids don't even count points in a lot of cases. That allows for physically weaker players to develop their skills, just in time for the white growth spurt, which is usually around 17 years.

[Haymaker]

Can't make the cut anymore. Basketball is a sport that relies on size and athleticism and honestly, the African American population is top-notch in both size and athleticism. We'll keep seeing Great White Quarterbacks though, why? Because the position relies on execution, not direct competition. Basketball is a team sport but you have to be able to beat your man one on one, beat double teams and the occasional triple-team to get a basket. Quarterbacks are shielded away by their teammates.

We have great European whites because Europe has a long and rich basketball history and they have competitive basketball programs that nurture players from an early age. (And still, as big as Europe and ex-soviet territories are, they produce few NBA caliber players) Maybe this new era that focuses on 3 points could let some white Americans to find their way to the NBA again but expect more Joe Harris and Kyle Korver types than the Larry Bird and Pete Maravich types.

[Celtics 1825]

The league in general is starting to be run by more and more non-American players

[Phenith]

NBA is more of an athletic game than a skill game, and the saying "white men can't jump" is basically true.
Even the good white players from overseas aren't very athletic, but their skill set is usually broad and at a high level across the board. You're not going to get a lot of white american players with broad skill sets, it's all about shooting, dunking and ISO plays with fancy handles.

When an elite athlete with little actual bball skill can be a lottery pick by just running past or jumping over inferior players there isn't a lot of incentive to develop.

[Euroleague]

Can't make the cut anymore. Basketball is a sport that relies on size and athleticism and honestly, the African American population is top-notch in both size and athleticism. We'll keep seeing Great White Quarterbacks though, why? Because the position relies on execution, not direct competition. Basketball is a team sport but you have to be able to beat your man one on one, beat double teams and the occasional triple-team to get a basket. Quarterbacks are shielded away by their teammates.

We have great European whites because Europe has a long and rich basketball history and they have competitive basketball programs that nurture players from an early age. (And still, as big as Europe and ex-soviet territories are, they produce few NBA caliber players) Maybe this new era that focuses on 3 points could let some white Americans to find their way to the NBA again but expect more Joe Harris and Kyle Korver types than the Larry Bird and Pete Maravich types.

That's complete BS.

Tons of guys in Europe can play in the NBA. half of the Europeans playing in the NBA now would be below average or even scrubs in EuroLeague.

11 NBA starters 12 NBA rotation player American NBA team finished 7th in the World Cup, playing against a bunch of teams that were mostly missing 3-5 of their best players.

Spain won the tournament with a roster that would not even make the playoffs in EuroLeague, and USA's team of 12 NBA players was 7th.

The NBA is so overrated as far as how it compares to EuroLeague, that it's ludicrous.

Hell, these days every year several NBA rotation players go to EuroLeague and are complete scrubs there.

[MaxPlayer]

They generally lack the fast-twitch muscle fibers, right?


We'll keep seeing Great White Quarterbacks though, why? Because the position relies on execution, not direct competition.

Sort of OT, but this is a question that's fascinated me for a while (though maybe it's moot now with the recent influx of great black QBs.) And it's also tough to separate the issues of black vs white QBs and running vs passing QBs.

Certainly you're right that the QB position is LESS reliant on raw athleticism than other skill positions. However, there's no denying that it's at least helpful for a QB to be mobile. If Brady had Vick's speed, he'd be an even more dangerous player. So it always seemed strange that (until recently anyway) the proportion of black QBs in the NFL wasn't much higher than the proportion of black people in the population as a whole.

There are a ton of possible explanations:

1.) Racism by the coaching/management establishment

2.) Whites have some area of genetic superiority that suits them to play QB

3.) Black QBs are not developed as passers because their coaches allow/instruct them to run first in order to win games, especially at the developmental levels

#3 is the possibility that I find the most interesting. If you were a college coach and you had a Michael Vick or Lamar Jackson, you're not going to have him stand in the pocket, even if that might be best for his pro development. You're going to have him run the ball and leverage his athletic advantage, because you're more worried about winning games and keeping your job than you are about the pro future of your QB.

[LAmbruh]

Whites in America simply have more avenues of opportunity than say Western Europe which consists of Soccer, Hoop or join your countries local rebellion in a 30 year civil war

[tpols]

Aau culture just give the biggest most athletic kid the ball and clear out. No teamwork.

[beastee]

That's complete BS.

Tons of guys in Europe can play in the NBA. half of the Europeans playing in the NBA now would be below average or even scrubs in EuroLeague.

Hell, these days every year several NBA rotation players go to EuroLeague and are complete scrubs there.


1. Yes, as covered...ones who spent their whole lives in development against other like minded Europeans that don't have to face the AAU size and athleticism, so they learn fundamentals and get proper playing time.

2.Key here is rotation players. Also...name them and be accurate. We all know you are full of it and I will let others beat you up on the specifics as they often do.

[PP34Deuce]

The NBA is slowly going to be called the Nepotistic Basketball League.

I'm willing to bet if they did a study, there's a direct correlation more and more of these NBA players being linked to former parents in the NBA or WNBA. I'm also sure that if you were to measure body types and wingspans, african american players will still be superior.

That and AAU are the reason basketball is the way it is. Most of the guys in the NBA are sons of professional leaguers.

Luka's dad was a professional player and big time coach in Serbia.
Javale Mcgee's mom was a WNBA player
Kyrie's dad was a great professional player overseas
Klay and Steph, nuff said


Most basketball players nowadays come from middle upper class background. AAU is not cheap. Basketball economics is nothing like it was before.

I'd say my point is, a lot of NBA players on average don't grow up as poor anymore. White US born NBA players have the same AAU invitations but ultimately, body type and frame is going to play a major part.

Greyson Allen is quick enough and a very good leaper. at 6'4 his wingspan is like 6'5. Bradley Beal's wingspan is like 6'8 and he's 6'4.

Wingspan and body type along with skills is going to get you to excel the league.

[ralph_i_el]

It's the culture. Young white kids aren't pressured to play basketball. Most young African American boy play basketball in some form.

I played college water polo and was the smallest player at 6'. Our team had 2 6'8" players, 2 6'5" players, and most guys between 6'1-6"3. I was the only one who even played bball as a hobby. These guys were great athletes and huge, but didn't play b-ball as kids. Most of them played baseball though.

I did convince one of the 6'8" guys to play for our rec team and just get boards and play D. He got good pretty quick.

[Euroleague]

1. Yes, as covered...ones who spent their whole lives in development against other like minded Europeans that don't have to face the AAU size and athleticism, so they learn fundamentals and get proper playing time.

2.Key here is rotation players. Also...name them and be accurate. We all know you are full of it and I will let others beat you up on the specifics as they often do.

The fact you don't know that every year several NBA rotation players / 6th men / starters go to EuroLeague and are just average, some are below average, some get cut for poor play even.................the fact you don't know that already on your own is proof in and of itself that you don't know what you are talking about.

You are completely ignorant on the matter, and yet you are talking crap like you know something about it.

[Euroleague]

The NBA is slowly going to be called the Nepotistic Basketball League.

I'm willing to bet if they did a study, there's a direct correlation more and more of these NBA players being linked to former parents in the NBA or WNBA. I'm also sure that if you were to measure body types and wingspans, african american players will still be superior.

That and AAU are the reason basketball is the way it is. Most of the guys in the NBA are sons of professional leaguers.

Luka's dad was a professional player and big time coach in Serbia.
Javale Mcgee's mom was a WNBA player
Kyrie's dad was a great professional player overseas
Klay and Steph, nuff said


Most basketball players nowadays come from middle upper class background. AAU is not cheap. Basketball economics is nothing like it was before.

I'd say my point is, a lot of NBA players on average don't grow up as poor anymore. White US born NBA players have the same AAU invitations but ultimately, body type and frame is going to play a major part.

Greyson Allen is quick enough and a very good leaper. at 6'4 his wingspan is like 6'5. Bradley Beal's wingspan is like 6'8 and he's 6'4.

Wingspan and body type along with skills is going to get you to excel the league.

That bold part is false. For European standards, Luka's dad was a complete scrub and nobody, both as a player, and especially as a coach.

Also, Kyrie Irving's dad was no great player overseas.

[PP34Deuce]

That bold part is false. For European standards, Luka's dad was a complete scrub and nobody, both as a player, and especially as a coach.

Also, Kyrie Irving's dad was no great player overseas.


OK. misinformation on those 2 but the rest of my point is most of today's NBA players are coming with a head start and resources. Ultimately the ones that make it in the NBA are going to have the body and build along with skills.

[RoseCity07]

The most skilled players usually are white because they have to be. They can't do what Lebron or Wade do off pure athleticism.

Dirk and Nash straight up shit on guys because they were very skilled. Luka will do the same.

[Bronbron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=UVoIUYpZBaw

I have my own theories but I'm curious what y'all gotta say
It's tough for white dudes because they're at a disadvantage due to blacks being more athletic. White dudes have to be extra skilled to be able to stand out.

They probably feel like they have a better chance in other sports like hockey, football, baseball and soccer so maybe those sports are taking alot of the better white athlete's away from basketball.

[PP34Deuce]

Athleticsm is not really the barrier. A lot of guys white coming out are quite athletic.

The Plumlees run like deer and jump high. The problem Is they dont have wingspan.

Willing to bet mason plumlee can get up jus as drummond. The challenge for plumlee is Drummond is 6 9 with a 7'3 wingspan.

[Bronbron23]

Athleticsm is not really the barrier. A lot of guys white coming out are quite athletic.

The Plumlees run like deer and jump high. The problem Is they dont have wingspan.

Willing to bet mason plumlee can get up jus as drummond. The challenge for plumlee is Drummond is 6 9 with a 7'3 wingspan.
Yeah but plum is the exception. There's not a whole lot of white dudes as athletic as he is. In general white guys are still athletically challenged. Just look at the best white players in the league right now. Luka, joker, Nikola, kristaps, love, gasol, Adams, Hayward, j red, Rubio, nurkic. Out of all those guys Hayward and kristaps are the most athletic and they're still nowhere near the best black athlete's in the league

[Mr Feeny]

It's tough for white dudes because they're at a disadvantage due to blacks being more athletic. White dudes have to be extra skilled to be able to stand out.

They probably feel like they have a better chance in other sports like hockey, football, baseball and soccer so maybe those sports are taking alot of the better white athlete's away from basketball.

Yeah but the discussion is about why there are no great white AMERICAN players I.e. why all the great white players recently have been foreigners.

Some good points about the AAU model in here.

[90sgoat]

Yeah but plum is the exception. There's not a whole lot of white dudes as athletic as he is. In general white guys are still athletically challenged. Just look at the best white players in the league right now. Luka, joker, Nikola, kristaps, love, gasol, Adams, Hayward, j red, Rubio, nurkic. Out of all those guys Hayward and kristaps are the most athletic and they're still nowhere near the best black athlete's in the league

And yet these guys are elite and much better than 90% of supremely athletic players.

[90sgoat]

2.) Whites have some area of genetic superiority that suits them to play QB

They have and it's called Visual-Spatial intelligence and its very well defined in IQ tests and whites score higher than anyone in this.

It's a genetic leftover from the big brained neanderthals.

The part of the brain used in imagiging something in 3d space is in the back of the head, where neanderthals and many whites have an extra lump, that isn't there on other races.

It's exactly the same type of intelligence that allows for white European teams to pass the ball expertly and for players like Larry Bird and Luka Doncic to see everything happen before it does.

[STATUTORY]

They generally lack the fast-twitch muscle fibers, right?



Sort of OT, but this is a question that's fascinated me for a while (though maybe it's moot now with the recent influx of great black QBs.) And it's also tough to separate the issues of black vs white QBs and running vs passing QBs.

Certainly you're right that the QB position is LESS reliant on raw athleticism than other skill positions. However, there's no denying that it's at least helpful for a QB to be mobile. If Brady had Vick's speed, he'd be an even more dangerous player. So it always seemed strange that (until recently anyway) the proportion of black QBs in the NFL wasn't much higher than the proportion of black people in the population as a whole.

There are a ton of possible explanations:

1.) Racism by the coaching/management establishment

2.) Whites have some area of genetic superiority that suits them to play QB

3.) Black QBs are not developed as passers because their coaches allow/instruct them to run first in order to win games, especially at the developmental levels

#3 is the possibility that I find the most interesting. If you were a college coach and you had a Michael Vick or Lamar Jackson, you're not going to have him stand in the pocket, even if that might be best for his pro development. You're going to have him run the ball and leverage his athletic advantage, because you're more worried about winning games and keeping your job than you are about the pro future of your QB.

Whites are losing the hold on the QB position. All the up and coming stars in the position are black. With the way Goff and Wentz looked lately, the only white qb star going forward after Brady might be Jimmy Garoppolo.

[Mask the Embiid]

American whites (muts) are weaker than their european (pure bred) brothers.This is what happens when you start mixing germans and serbs and scottish ect....they become weak watered down american whites (muts)


B >>> EW > AW



deal with it

[chains5000]

American whites (muts) are weaker than their european (pure bred) brothers.This is what happens when you start mixing germans and serbs and scottish ect....they become weak watered down american whites (muts)


B >>> EW > AW



deal with it
If that's true, then explain why Embiid is Gasol's bitch:confusedshrug:

[STATUTORY]

American whites (muts) are weaker than their european (pure bred) brothers.This is what happens when you start mixing germans and serbs and scottish ect....they become weak watered down american whites (muts)


B >>> EW > AW



deal with it

http://freegifmaker.me/img/res/1/5/5/7/7/2/15577238232251547.gif

pure african man crying on the shoulder of a pure euro?

stop the racism buddy :rolleyes:

[ImKobe]

Whites are losing the hold on the QB position. All the up and coming stars in the position are black. With the way Goff and Wentz looked lately, the only white qb star going forward after Brady might be Jimmy Garoppolo.

Dak and Mahomes are half white. Kirk Cousins is tearing up the league this season don't sleep on him either.

[madmax]

American whites (muts) are weaker than their european (pure bred) brothers.This is what happens when you start mixing germans and serbs and scottish ect....they become weak watered down american whites (muts)


B >>> EW > AW



deal with it

:roll:

[PP34Deuce]

Dak and Mahomes are half white. Kirk Cousins is tearing up the league this season don't sleep on him either.

Once Clemson's Trevor Lawrence comes out, all will be restored in the NFL good ol boy system lol.

On a serious note, I believe the growth in QB's that happen to be black is understanding the pitfalls of being Michael Vick and relying on supreme athleticism.

Truth be told, most of these guys are following more what Donovan Mcnabb did as a scrambling QB who was decent and good in the pocket.

[Bronbron23]

Dak and Mahomes are half white. Kirk Cousins is tearing up the league this season don't sleep on him either.
Lamar Jackson buddy. He's black as hell and is gonna change the game at the QB position

[Bronbron23]

And yet these guys are elite and much better than 90% of supremely athletic players.
Yeah because skill and the mental aspect make up for a huge part of the game. So yeah they can be better than most of the league that rely on mostly just there athleticism. It's the other 10% that not only have the athleticism but also have the skill and mental aspect that they'll have a hard time passing. Luka is the only one I've seen in along time that looks like he has a chance. And that's only because his skill level and confidence is insane.

[STATUTORY]

Lamar Jackson buddy. He's black as hell and is gonna change the game at the QB position

they said the same thing about RG3 but injury derailed his career. Career changing injuries are a unfortunate but real risk/downside that comes with running quarterbacks. Higher peaks but shorter primes.

[90sgoat]

Yeah because skill and the mental aspect make up for a huge part of the game. So yeah they can be better than most of the league that rely on mostly just there athleticism. It's the other 10% that not only have the athleticism but also have the skill and mental aspect that they'll have a hard time passing. Luka is the only one I've seen in along time that looks like he has a chance. And that's only because his skill level and confidence is insane.

No, it's because you need to play a fundamentally sound, high iq game to get the best out of whites.

Even "average" whites can pretty easily fit into a high iq system, like the Spurs or the Euro teams in FIBA.

If you take a white player and expect them to play athletic 1-on-1, then naturally they'll not be as good as blacks on average.

Look at Boston in the 80s, Utah in the 90s, Sactown in 00s, Spurs in the 10s.

[MaxPlayer]

they said the same thing about RG3 but injury derailed his career. Career changing injuries are a unfortunate but real risk/downside that comes with running quarterbacks. Higher peaks but shorter primes.

I wonder if we'll see a similar evolution of the QB position as we've seen with RB: shorter, faster-burning careers; greater turnover; (comparatively) lower salaries

[FultzNationRISE]

Whites in America simply have more avenues of opportunity than say Western Europe which consists of Soccer, Hoop or join your countries local rebellion in a 30 year civil war


:lol


(I think you mean Eastern Europe, but I still lol’d)

[SpaceJam2]

Asians are the worst at sports because they have intelligence and thus other oppportunities

Whites have a mix of both opportunities available

Um...Yeah you get the drift

[bizil]

A lot of it is cultural. The more the league marketed the And1 type handles, hip-hop, and nasty dunks, I think some white players WHO COULD BALL started to focus on other sports. But the problem is TOO MANY OF THEM left to focus on other sports. I don't think a lot of them were intimidated. But in their mind, the safer bet to make the pros would be in another sport. Some of them I'M sure could have been star players in the NBA. I think this trend really picked up 15-20 years ago.

And as early as jr high school, many white parents PICKED UP on how the league marketed itself. And pushed their kids toward other sports to see how far they could go. So in these cases, the parents (not the kids) had the say so. So plain and simple, the talent pool of very talented white kids shrank.

The league has been mainly black for a long ass time in general. But in the 80's through the 90's u had many more white All Star-superstar caliber players. Stern LEARNED showcasing the most stylish players to get the CASUAL FANBASE was GOLDEN. However, the side effect was many POTENTIAL white star players were lost due to that. BECAUSE they couldn't see themselves AS STARS in the NBA. But Bird, Price, and Chambers had HELLA STYLE on the court! Thunder Dan had some nasty hops! And u had many others who weren't as flashy. BUT they had the skill to still be All Star-superstar type players.

In other sports, the white kids could ENVISION themselves as star players. I really think some of them sold themselves short. From 2000-2019, Stock, Love, Hayward, and Korver are the only white American players (that I know of) to make an All Star team. From 1980 to 1999, I PROMISE you at least 20 different white American players made an All Star team. That says it all right there!

[RRR3]

Asians are the worst at sports because they have intelligence and thus other oppportunities

Whites have a mix of both opportunities available

Um...Yeah you get the drift
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[kav23]

From 2000-2019, Stock, Love, Hayward, and Korver are the only white American players (that I know of) to make an All Star team. From 1980 to 1999, I PROMISE you at least 20 different white American players made an All Star team. That says it all right there!

White American All Stars (1980-2019)
Larry Bird: 1980-1988, 1990-1992
Jack Sikma: 1980-1985
Paul Westphal: 1980, 1981
Bobby Jones: 1981, 1982
Kelly Tripucka: 1982, 1984
Bill Laimbeer: 1983-1985, 1987
Jim Paxson: 1983, 1984
Kiki Vandeweghe: 1983, 1984
Kevin McHale: 1984, 1986-1988, 1990, 1991
Jeff Ruland : 1984, 1985
Tom Chambers: 1987, 1989-1991
Danny Ainge: 1988
Mark Eaton: 1989
Chris Mullin: 1989-1993
Mark Price: 1989, 1992-1994
John Stockton: 1989-1997, 2000
Jeff Hornacek: 1992
Dan Majerle: 1992, 1993, 1995
Christian Laettner: 1997
Tom Gugliotta: 1997
Wally Szczerbiak: 2002
Brad Miller: 2003, 2004
David Lee: 2010, 2013
Chris Kaman: 2010
Kevin Love: 2011, 2012, 2014
Kyle Korver: 2015
Gordon Hayward: 2017

1980-1999 had 20 White American All Stars. 2000-2019 had 8 White American All Stars.

Foreign White All Stars (1980-2019)
Detlef Schrempf (Germany): 1993, 1995, 1997
Rik Smits (Netherlands): 1998
Vlade Divac (Serbia, then Yugoslavia): 2001
Steve Nash (Canada): 2002, 2003, 2005-2008, 2010, 2012
Dirk Nowitzki (Germany) 2002-2012, 2014, 2015, 2019
Peja Stojakovic (Serbia, then Yugoslavia): 2002-2004
Zydrunas Ilgauskas (Lithuania): 2003, 2005
Andrei Kirilenko (Russia): 2004
Manu Ginobili (Argentina): 2005, 2011
Pau Gasol (Spain): 2006, 2009-2011, 2015, 2016
Mehmet Okur (Turkey): 2007
Marc Gasol (Spain): 2012, 2015, 2017
Goran Dragic (Slovenia): 2018
Nikola Jokic (Serbia): 2019
Nikola Vucevic (Montenegro): 2019

Only two Foreign White All Stars from 1980-1999, but 13 Foreign White All Stars from 2000-2019.

2020 will see the addition of Luka Doncic to the Foreign White All Star list.

[GreatHILL]

Fuka Donshit killin and raping niccaz :lol