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Dray n Klay
11-27-2019, 12:07 AM
And can someone also post Jordan

SpaceJam2
11-27-2019, 12:09 AM
Uh oh :eek:

Duncan21formvp
11-27-2019, 12:21 AM
6 Finals MVP's, 4 league MVP's, 6 Titles, 6 scoring titles all done with team that drafted him

vs

3 Finals MVP's, 2 league MVP's, 3 Titles, 0 Scoring Titles all done playing with players who made the allstar team or won titles before ever playing with Lebron

knicksman
11-27-2019, 12:23 AM
0 rings for 4 MVPs. Thats how much of an underachiever he is. Complete opposite of kawhi. 2 rings for 0 MVPs.

SpaceJam2
11-27-2019, 12:27 AM
Why is everyone so scared to post them? Isn't Jordan the goat? :lol

Duncan21formvp
11-27-2019, 12:32 AM
Why is everyone so scared to post them? Isn't Jordan the goat? :lol
Yes


6 Finals MVP's, 4 league MVP's, 6 Titles, 6 scoring titles all done with team that drafted him

vs

3 Finals MVP's, 2 league MVP's, 3 Titles, 0 Scoring Titles all done playing with players who made the allstar team or won titles before ever playing with Lebron

SpaceJam2
11-27-2019, 12:37 AM
Yes


6 Finals MVP's, 4 league MVP's, 6 Titles, 6 scoring titles all done with team that drafted him

vs

3 Finals MVP's, 2 league MVP's, 3 Titles, 0 Scoring Titles all done playing with players who made the allstar team or won titles before ever playing with Lebron

Bill Russell the GOAT Standard thanks

11 chips to MJ's 6

Good night

:dancin

Bronbron23
11-27-2019, 12:38 AM
[QUOTE=Dray n Klay]And can someone also post Jordan

SpaceJam2
11-27-2019, 12:38 AM
Well you need more than just stats to compare players. You have to use eye test, chips and accolades also. Otherwise that means that Russell Westbrook has been a better all around player than lebron in the last few years and we all know that's not true

Playoffs? :(

Try again 3balt

Duncan21formvp
11-27-2019, 12:41 AM
Bill Russell the GOAT Standard thanks

11 chips to MJ's 6

Good night

:dancin
Bill Russell joined a team with the league mvp and rookie of the year and only had to win 2 series to win a title.

Bronbron23
11-27-2019, 01:18 AM
[QUOTE=SpaceJam2]Playoffs? :(

So your saying westbrook was a better passer in the regular season because his stats were better? Westbrook at no point in his career was a better passer than lebron. I don't need stats to tell me that.

And what about playoffs?

Playoff stats say that mj had a better peak than lebron but lebron was better older. MJ's peak was 90-93. Lebron's was 2011-2014. In those years in the playoffs mj had more pts per game, assists per game, steals per game and blocks per game. The only category lebron was better in was rebounds.

It's no coincidence that those peak years of lebron in Miami were he played more within a system was when he won the most but it was also when his stats were at his lowest.

superduper
11-27-2019, 01:19 AM
[QUOTE=SpaceJam2]Playoffs? :(

So your saying westbrook was a better passer in the regular season because his stats were better? Westbrook at no point in his career was a better passer than lebron. I don't need stats to tell me that.

And what about playoffs?

Playoff stats say that mj had a better peak than lebron but lebron was better older. MJ's peak was 90-93. Lebron's was 2011-2014. In those years in the playoffs mj had more pts per game, assists per game, steals per game and blocks per game. The only category lebron was better in was rebounds.

It's no coincidence that those peak years of lebron in Miami were he played more within a system was when he won the most but it was also when his stats were at his lowest.

You can't type this much to these retards. They literally don't understand basketball beyond 33-9-8!!

Bronbron23
11-27-2019, 01:21 AM
[QUOTE=Bronbron23]

You can't type this much to these retards. They literally don't understand basketball beyond 33-9-8!!
Good point :lol

3ball
11-27-2019, 02:42 PM
Gimme a sec OP

SpaceJam2
11-27-2019, 02:43 PM
I looked it up once, it's something like this:

LBJ
30-8-8 on 52%

MJ
33-7-5 on 48%

ImKobe
11-27-2019, 02:53 PM
Jordan: 6 rings 6 FMVPs, 6-0 Finals record

couldn't find the numbers for Lebron, anyone got them?

3ball
11-27-2019, 03:43 PM
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Playoffs (3 rings each)


JORDAN 88-93' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html)... 34.6.. 6.7.. 6.6.. 2.3.. 0.9.. 3.3 tov.. 58.3 ts.. 35.7% 3P (2.3 att)
LEBRON 12-18' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html)... 29.5.. 9.2.. 7.6.. 1.8.. 0.9.. 3.6 tov.. 59.0 ts.. 33.7% 3P (4.7 att)

JORDAN 88-93' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced)... 29.8 PER.. 0.267 ws/48.. 9.8 obpm.. 12.0 bpm
LEBRON 12-18' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2012-2018-sum:playoffs_advanced)... 29.6 PER.. 0.258 ws/48.. 8.3 obpm.. 11.6 bpm


:roll:

AlternativeAcc.
11-27-2019, 03:47 PM
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Playoffs (3 rings each)


JORDAN 88-93' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html)... 34.6.. 6.7.. 6.6.. 2.3.. 0.9.. 3.3 tov.. 58.3 ts.. 35.7% 3P (2.3 att)
LEBRON 12-18' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html)'... 29.5.. 9.2.. 7.6.. 1.8.. 0.9.. 3.6 tov.. 59.0 ts.. 33.7% 3P (4.7 att)

JORDAN 88-93' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced)... 29.8 PER.. 0.267 ws/48.. 9.8 obpm.. 12.0 bpm
LEBRON 12-18' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2012-2018-sum:playoffs_advanced)'... 29.6 PER.. 0.258 ws/48.. 8.3 obpm.. 11.6 bpm


:roll:
:milton

ArbitraryWater
11-27-2019, 03:53 PM
[QUOTE=SpaceJam2]Playoffs? :(

So your saying westbrook was a better passer in the regular season because his stats were better? Westbrook at no point in his career was a better passer than lebron. I don't need stats to tell me that.

And what about playoffs?

Playoff stats say that mj had a better peak than lebron but lebron was better older. MJ's peak was 90-93. Lebron's was 2011-2014. In those years in the playoffs mj had more pts per game, assists per game, steals per game and blocks per game. The only category lebron was better in was rebounds.

It's no coincidence that those peak years of lebron in Miami were he played more within a system was when he won the most but it was also when his stats were at his lowest.

you realize you can pick a better time span for LeBron, right?

You're retarded af bra

3ball
11-27-2019, 03:55 PM
:milton
Jordan averaged 5 more points, with near-equal assists, less turnovers, and higher advanced stats across the board

:roll:

Oh, and MJ led a 6 seed to 6 games with the champs, while Lebron's 2 seeds got beat by record amount to 2 different teams

Dray n Klay
11-27-2019, 05:55 PM
Jordan averaged 5 more points, with near-equal assists, less turnovers, and higher advanced stats across the board

:roll:

Oh, and MJ led a 6 seed to 6 games with the champs, while Lebron's 2 seeds got beat by record amount to 2 different teams

Your time frame is wrong

I said 1991-1993- 1996-1998

The same ages for both players

3ball
11-27-2019, 06:12 PM
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JORDAN 88-93' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html)... 34.6.. 6.7.. 6.6.. 2.3.. 0.9.. 3.3 tov.. 58.3 ts.. 35.7% 3P (2.3 att)
LEBRON 12-18' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html)... 29.5.. 9.2.. 7.6.. 1.8.. 0.9.. 3.6 tov.. 59.0 ts.. 33.7% 3P (4.7 att)

JORDAN 88-93' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced)... 29.8 PER.. 0.267 ws/48.. 9.8 obpm.. 12.0 bpm
LEBRON 12-18' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2012-2018-sum:playoffs_advanced)... 29.6 PER.. 0.258 ws/48.. 8.3 obpm.. 11.6 bpm




Your time frame is wrong

I said 1991-1993- 1996-1998

The same ages for both players
Oh, so you concede that MJ's 88-93 playoff stats are indeed superior to Lebron's best from 12-18'? (shown above)

got it

regarding the other stats - you want to compare Lebron's losing stats to MJ's winning stats?... That's meaningless, which is why a comparison to 88-93' is more valid (shown above)

SpaceJam2
11-27-2019, 06:25 PM
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JORDAN 88-93' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html)... 34.6.. 6.7.. 6.6.. 2.3.. 0.9.. 3.3 tov.. 58.3 ts.. 35.7% 3P (2.3 att)
LEBRON 12-18' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html)... 29.5.. 9.2.. 7.6.. 1.8.. 0.9.. 3.6 tov.. 59.0 ts.. 33.7% 3P (4.7 att)

JORDAN 88-93' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced)... 29.8 PER.. 0.267 ws/48.. 9.8 obpm.. 12.0 bpm
LEBRON 12-18' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2012-2018-sum:playoffs_advanced)... 29.6 PER.. 0.258 ws/48.. 8.3 obpm.. 11.6 bpm




Oh, so you concede that MJ's 88-93 playoff stats are indeed superior to Lebron's best from 12-18'? (shown above)

got it

regarding the other stats - you want to compare Lebron's losing stats to MJ's winning stats?... That's meaningless, which is why a comparison to 88-93' is more valid (shown above)

Dumb premise. Whats new

Compare the best 6 Finals runs for both since MJ only made 6 Finals.

Youd lose.

coin24
11-27-2019, 06:30 PM
Dumb premise. Whats new

Compare the best 6 Finals runs for both since MJ only made 6 Finals.

Youd lose.


Actually Lebron would, it's the finals

Manny98
11-27-2019, 07:02 PM
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Playoffs (3 rings each)


JORDAN 88-93' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html)... 34.6.. 6.7.. 6.6.. 2.3.. 0.9.. 3.3 tov.. 58.3 ts.. 35.7% 3P (2.3 att)
LEBRON 12-18' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html)... 29.5.. 9.2.. 7.6.. 1.8.. 0.9.. 3.6 tov.. 59.0 ts.. 33.7% 3P (4.7 att)

JORDAN 88-93' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced)... 29.8 PER.. 0.267 ws/48.. 9.8 obpm.. 12.0 bpm
LEBRON 12-18' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2012-2018-sum:playoffs_advanced)... 29.6 PER.. 0.258 ws/48.. 8.3 obpm.. 11.6 bpm


:roll:
MJ stats are inflated because he didn't even make the finals half of those years and played FAR weaker competition and despite all that MJs numbers are only equal LeBron has more rebounds and assists and was more efficienct scoring wise so if anything LeBron still wins in spite of Jordans inflated numbers from not reaching the finals half of the time :roll:

3ball
11-27-2019, 07:10 PM
MJ stats are inflated because he didn't even make the finals half of those years and played FAR weaker competition and despite all that MJs numbers are only equal LeBron has more rebounds and assists and was more efficienct scoring wise so if anything LeBron still wins in spite of Jordans inflated numbers from not reaching the finals half of the time :roll:
MJ faced the dynasty Pistons each year that he didn't make the Finals, whereas Lebron never faced anyone good to make the Finals from 2012-2018

For his first ring, Lebron beat a core that was 35/36/32 years old (12' Celtics - KG/Allen/Pierce)
For his first ring, Jordan beat a core that was 29/29/27 years old (91' Pistons - Isiah/Rodman/Dumars)

No comparison - MJ faced far tougher comp to win

Manny98
11-27-2019, 07:14 PM
MJ faced the dynasty Pistons each year that he didn't make the Finals, whereas Lebron never faced anyone good to make the Finals from 2012-2018

For his first ring, Lebron beat a core that was 35/36/32 years old (12' Celtics - KG/Allen/Pierce)
For his first ring, Jordan beat a core that was 29/29/27 years old (91' Pistons - Isiah/Rodman/Dumars)

No comparison - MJ faced far tougher comp to win
He faced the dynasty Pistons and got spanked 3 consecutive years and didn't beat them until Pippen became the best small forward in the league and IT was hurt and past his prime :roll:

3ball
11-27-2019, 07:19 PM
He faced the dynasty Pistons and got spanked 3 consecutive years and didn't beat them until Pippen became the best small forward in the league and IT was hurt and past his prime :roll:
Pippen wasn't even an all-star in 1991 - many guys were considered better

again - you guys are just liars at this point - you can't post stats or accolades because they don't back up your point, so you just lie and hope no one calls you on it.. it's pathetic and proves that you support a FAKE goat

and MJ only needed a before-prime 18-point sidekick to win, whereas Lebron needed two established superstars to still mostly lose

SpaceJam2
11-27-2019, 07:21 PM
He faced the dynasty Pistons and got spanked 3 consecutive years and didn't beat them until Pippen became the best small forward in the league and IT was hurt and past his prime :roll:

Ouch :lol

And then theres the touchy subject surrounding Pippen outscoring the opponents #2 option in 5 of 6 Finals WHILE also being the Bulls defensive anchor

3ball
11-27-2019, 07:22 PM
Dumb premise. Whats new

Compare the best 6 Finals runs for both since MJ only made 6 Finals.

Youd lose.
OP said the entire playoffs, not just the Finals, so you're wrong as usual

Also, MJ's Finals stats are always better than Lebron's, even if you choose Lebron's top 6 - MJ simply scores more on better efficiency per possession, with far greater clutch stats and scoring burden.. Lebron's assists stats mean nothing because MJ sacrificed his assists/ball-domination for ball MOVEMENT

Manny98
11-27-2019, 07:26 PM
Pippen wasn't even an all-star in 1991 - many guys were considered better

again - you guys are just liars at this point - you can't post stats or accolades because they don't back up your point, so you just lie and hope no one calls you on it.. it's pathetic and proves that you support a FAKE goat

and MJ only needed a before-prime 18-point sidekick to win, whereas Lebron needed two established superstars to still mostly lose
He led all Small Forwards in PER, win shares and plus minus at the time so yes Pippen was EASILY the best small forward in the league at the time only Dominique has a argument over Pippen

SpaceJam2
11-27-2019, 07:28 PM
He led all Small Forwards in PER, win shares and plus minus at the time so yes Pippen was EASILY the best small forward in the league at the time only Dominique has a argument over Pippen

Yikes

Ether

SpaceJam2
11-27-2019, 07:29 PM
OP said the entire playoffs, not just the Finals, so you're wrong as usual

Also, MJ's Finals stats are always better than Lebron's, even if you choose Lebron's top 6 - MJ simply scores more on better efficiency per possession, with far greater clutch stats and scoring burden.. Lebron's assists stats mean nothing because MJ sacrificed his assists/ball-domination for ball MOVEMENT

:lol

MJ is #2 in everything

SpaceJam2
11-28-2019, 12:20 PM
Found it, 3 ball lying like always

LeBron:
29.5
7.1
9.2
1.8
0.9
51%
34%

Jordan:
32.8
5.3
6.2
1.9
0.8
48%
33%

LBJ > MJ

red1
11-28-2019, 12:37 PM
6 Finals MVP's, 4 league MVP's, 6 Titles, 6 scoring titles

vs

3 Finals MVP's, 2 league MVP's, 3 Titles
holy shit that's actually incredible for a 7 year stretch :applause:

3ball
11-28-2019, 01:10 PM
holy shit that's actually incredible for a 7 year stretch :applause:
5 rings in 7 years is obviously much better

Carry on with your fake top 10 player

Hey Yo
11-28-2019, 06:08 PM
5 rings in 7 years is obviously much better

Carry on with your fake top 10 player
Not impressive when you have to take 2yrs off to rest up mentally and physically to achieve rings 4 and 5.

72-10
11-28-2019, 07:44 PM
it's kind of strange it's like MJ received the ball at the end of plays in the triangle offense, and it was the end of plays

Dray n Klay
11-28-2019, 08:51 PM
Found it, 3 ball lying like always

LeBron:
29.5
7.1
9.2
1.8
0.9
51%
34%

Jordan:
32.8
5.3
6.2
1.9
0.8
48%
33%

LBJ > MJ

3ball whats your response to this?

superduper
11-28-2019, 09:35 PM
Not impressive when you have to take 2yrs off to rest up mentally and physically to achieve rings 4 and 5.

Not many have 3peated once and the GOAT did it twice.

Bran has no idea what its like mentally and physically.

All he knows is what it's like to lose.

AlternativeAcc.
11-28-2019, 09:48 PM
Not many have 3peated once and the GOAT did it twice.

Bran has no idea what its like mentally and physically.

All he knows is what it's like to lose.
Not many have quit for 2 years to rest up mentally and physically, Jordan is a rare breed of puccy. None of his rings mean anything in relation to LeBron's.

SpaceJam2
11-28-2019, 11:48 PM
Not many have 3peated once and the GOAT did it twice.

Bran has no idea what its like mentally and physically.

All he knows is what it's like to lose.

MJ literally quit twice, retired three times, and pioneered load management :lol

julizaver
11-29-2019, 07:45 AM
Bill Russell joined a team with the league mvp and rookie of the year and only had to win 2 series to win a title.

And great coach also ... ;)
In modern era it is similar to Duncan (a season ending injury to MVP calibier player and starters made Spurs so miserable that next season they had not one but 2 of the best big men together and Popovic as coach in pre 3point era)

Hey Yo
11-29-2019, 10:40 AM
Not many have 3peated once and the GOAT did it twice.

Bran has no idea what its like mentally and physically.

All he knows is what it's like to lose.
He's played 16 full seasons w/o quitting. 8 straight of those years playing in the Finals.

Jordan couldn't even play 8 straight full seasons w/o having to quit and rest up. He quit after the 7th.

warriorfan
11-29-2019, 11:18 AM
Jason Terry.

superduper
11-29-2019, 11:20 AM
Boris Diaw.

3ball
11-29-2019, 06:00 PM
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JORDAN 88-93' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html)... 34.6.. 6.7.. 6.6.. 2.3.. 0.9.. 3.3 tov.. 58.3 ts.. 35.7% 3P (2.3 att)
LEBRON 12-18' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html)... 29.5.. 9.2.. 7.6.. 1.8.. 0.9.. 3.6 tov.. 59.0 ts.. 33.7% 3P (4.7 att)

JORDAN 88-93' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1988-1993-sum:playoffs_advanced)... 29.8 PER.. 0.267 ws/48.. 9.8 obpm.. 12.0 bpm
LEBRON 12-18' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2012-2018-sum:playoffs_advanced)... 29.6 PER.. 0.258 ws/48.. 8.3 obpm.. 11.6 bpm


OP wants to compare Lebron's losing stats from 12-18' (he was 3-4) to Jordan's 6-0 winning stats?... That's meaningless, which is why a comparison to Jordan's 88-93' is more valid (shown above)

And btw, Jordan's stats from his 6-0 run are still superior to Lebron's


Anyone?

dankok8
11-29-2019, 08:13 PM
Anyone?

At least take 87-93 (inclusive) so we're comparing 7-year stretches for both.
The stretch you posted is 147 games for Lebron and only 101 for Jordan. You're not comparing apples and apples. The stats are so close that you cannot differentiate them in productivity to be honest. Comes down to preference. No one reasonable denies that Jordan is the better pure scorer but no one reasonable denies that Lebron is the better playmaker and rebounder either.

3ball
11-29-2019, 08:40 PM
At least take 87-93 (inclusive) so we're comparing 7-year stretches for both.
The stretch you posted is 147 games for Lebron and only 101 for Jordan. You're not comparing apples and apples. The stats are so close that you cannot differentiate them in productivity to be honest. Comes down to preference. No one reasonable denies that Jordan is the better pure scorer but no one reasonable denies that Lebron is the better playmaker and rebounder either.



If Lebron is a better playmaker, then why did MJ average equal or greater assists in the playoffs and Finals of his first 3 championship runs?


Jordan 1991-1993 Playoffs. - 33.7 and 6.6 apg
Lebron. 12/13/16. Playoffs - 27.2 and 7.2 apg

Jordan 1991-1993 Finals. - 36.3 and 7.9 apg
Lebron. 12/13/16. Finals - 27.0 and 7.2 apg



Or for all their playoff runs thru 31 years old and 3 rings (85-93' vs 06-16'):



PLAYOFFS PER GAME



Jordan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1993-sum:playoffs_per_game
):. 34.7 ppg.. 6.7 rpg.. 6.6 apg.. 2.3 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ortg.. 29.6 PER
Lebron (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html):. 28.0 ppg.. 8.8 rpg.. 6.8 apg.. 1.8 spg.. 0.9 bpg.. 47.8 fg.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ortg.. 27.7 PER




PLAYOFFS PER 100 POSSESSIONS



Jordan (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1993-sum:playoffs_per_poss
):I 43.9 pts..N 8.5 reb.. 8.4 ast.. 4.2 tov.. 2.9 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 50.1 fg.. 58.1 ts.. 119 ortg.. 29.6 PER
Lebron (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html):. 36.4 pts.. 11.5 reb.. 8.8 ast.. 4.6 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 47.8 fg.. 56.7 ts.. 115 ortg.. 27.7 PER




FINALS PER GAME:



Jordan Finals:. 36.3 ppg.. 6.6 rpg.. 7.9 apg.. 2.7 tov.. 2.0 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 52.6 fg
Lebron Finals:. 27.0 ppg.. 9.9 rpg.. 7.2 apg.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 45.4 fg



Jordan's first 3 rings required 25-33% more scoring with better efficiency than Lebron's 3 rings, while still getting equal or greater assists... :eek:



As you can see, MJ's stats are superior no matter what time period you use.. :confusedshrug:
.

SpaceJam2
11-29-2019, 10:39 PM
Both players played 13 playoffs right? Post the numbers thanks

Want me to? okay then...

3ball
11-29-2019, 10:46 PM
Both players played 13 playoffs right? Post the numbers thanks

Want me to? okay then...
Jordan....' 33.4.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 bpg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ortg.. 28.6 PER.. 0.255 ws/48.. 8.1 obpm
Lebron...'' 28.9.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.3 dreb.. 7.1 apg.. 3.6 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 57.9 ts.. 116 ortg.. 28.3 PER.. 0.244 ws/48.. 7.8 obpm

DMAVS41
11-29-2019, 10:51 PM
https://backpicks.com/2017/12/11/the-backpicks-goat-the-40-best-careers-in-nba-history/

MJ #3
Lebron #2

SpaceJam2
11-29-2019, 10:59 PM
Jordan....' 33.4.. 1.7 oreb.. 4.7 dreb.. 5.7 apg.. 3.1 tov.. 2.1 spg.. 0.9 bpg.. 56.8 ts.. 118 ortg.. 28.6 PER.. 0.255 ws/48.. 8.1 obpm
Lebron...'' 28.9.. 1.5 oreb.. 7.3 dreb.. 7.1 apg.. 3.6 tov.. 1.8 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 57.9 ts.. 116 ortg.. 28.3 PER.. 0.244 ws/48.. 7.8 obpm

no

DefRtg
DBPM
BPM
VORP
WS

? :lol Because LeBron wins in all of them?

Try again noobie :lol

3ball
11-29-2019, 11:33 PM
no

DefRtg
DBPM
BPM
VORP
WS

? :lol Because LeBron wins in all of them?

Try again noobie :lol
You already know that drtg is based on team performance and favors frontcourt players that get more defensive rebs

and you already know that dbpm favors frontcourt players that get more defensive rebounds

so those categories don't matter - no one is mistaking Lebron for being the better defender anyway

I'll give it to Lebron on VORP... he's got that one... but WS is based on longevity - give it up brah - you know and I know that MJ got more WS per game.. :eek:

but even if we gave Lebron dreb, apg, bpg, ts, dbpm, drtg, vorp and bpm, Jordan would still win overall - PPG, oreb, spg, lower turnovers, ortg, PER, ws/48, obpm, plus-minus, better jumpshooting efficiency, more double-teams, higher scoring burden, better clutch %, better clutch frequency, and better overall clutch stats.

IT'S NOT CLOSE... take this L rookie
.

egokiller
11-29-2019, 11:39 PM
3ball wins again.

SpaceJam in tears.... again.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

DMAVS41
11-29-2019, 11:40 PM
But a guy doing a far more thorough statistical analysis...says it is close...and also happens to not be as incredibly biased and inconsistent in his arguments.

I'll go with his analysis, even though I disagree, over yours...

:confusedshrug:

3ball
11-29-2019, 11:42 PM
But a guy doing a far more thorough statistical analysis...says it is close...and also happens to not be as incredibly biased and inconsistent in his arguments.

I'll go with his analysis, even though I disagree, over yours...

:confusedshrug:
mindfu.cked again I see

just like the other thread where my concise, cogent arguments left you a blabbering mess

DMAVS41
11-29-2019, 11:46 PM
mindfu.cked again I see

just like the other thread where my concise, cogent arguments left you a blabbering mess

What, I'm not even arguing with you in the sense of MJ vs Lebron.

You idiot...I rank MJ clearly higher.

My point is that your bullshit stats you post here aren't nearly as good as the analysis done on Backpicks.

So please stop posting your shit all day everyday...especially when almost everyone here agrees Jordan was better.

You sit here trying to argue with people that actually agree with you.

The other thread? You got wrecked dude...sorry.

3ball
11-29-2019, 11:50 PM
What, I'm not even arguing with you in the sense of MJ vs Lebron.

You idiot...I rank MJ clearly higher.

My point is that your bullshit stats you post here aren't nearly as good as the analysis done on Backpicks.


SpaceJam asked me to post their career playoff stats - I did so

I haven't presented any analysis of those numbers, but if I did, it would be far superior to backpicks..

SpaceJam2
11-29-2019, 11:54 PM
What, I'm not even arguing with you in the sense of MJ vs Lebron.

You idiot...I rank MJ clearly higher.

My point is that your bullshit stats you post here aren't nearly as good as the analysis done on Backpicks.

So please stop posting your shit all day everyday...especially when almost everyone here agrees Jordan was better.

You sit here trying to argue with people that actually agree with you.

The other thread? You got wrecked dude...sorry.

Blasted :lol Damn :roll:

SpaceJam2
11-29-2019, 11:55 PM
SpaceJam asked me to post their career playoff stats - I did so

I haven't presented any analysis of those numbers, but if I did, it would be far superior to backpicks..

You're an insane lunatic