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Bosnian Sajo
11-27-2019, 02:03 PM
With the quarter mark of the season quickly approaching, I figured this was a good time to start evaluating some of this summer's best and worst contracts signed. I'll start off with one of the worst, feel free to chime in and add your own best/worst contracts.



Tyus Jones BAD

3yrs, $26.4 million


The second this contract was signed, I hated it. I remember some here on ISH telling me I didn't understand the new cap and that this was actually a good contract (sup DMAVS), but boy has he been garbo.


In 16 games, Tyus is averaging 6.1ppg (20mpg) on 37% shooting from the field, 18% shooting from three, and 68% from the line. YIKES!


He's still able to play-make, but other than that he offers the Grizz very little in terms of their investment. They would have been much better off keeping Delon Wright, who ended up signing a very similar contract with Dallas (3yr/$28m) and is enjoying an efficient season thus far. Tyus Jones, in my opinion, should be a guy making 3m-4m per year.




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The following player is not being listed as one of the best contracts signed, rather his inclusion is due to the fact that we all unanimously thought his contract was WAY overpaid



Terry Rozier GOOD

3yrs/$56.7m


Simply put, he's doing good. We are used to Rozier being a highly inefficient scorer due to his 38% field goal percentage in his 4 year Boston Celtics career. But here he is on the Hornets, scoring 17.4ppg shooting 43% from the field and 36% from three.


Now, let's take a step back. Those numbers aren't considered highly efficient in this modern NBA, but admittedly it is MUCH better than what I (we?) expected. I was expecting to see Roz scoring roughly the same amount of points, but as far as FG% goes, I was expecting something in the mid 30's. His team itself isn't very good, and for that reason I can't blame him for their record.


I WILL ADD, maybe a little contradiction here...but I do think the Hornets would have been better off resigning Lamb than grabbing Rozier. I feel like he would have fit well next to Graham, who himself is enjoying a breakout year.

Which leads me to my next player whose contract is, imo, one of the better bang for your buck deals from this past offseason:

Actually, scratch that. We gonna give their whole team a shout out.






Indiana Pacers GREAT

A job well done, Indiana. They killed it this off season. None of their signings look to be overpaid, and they are ALL performing beyond expectations.

Let's start out with their big money signing, Malcolm Brogdon, 4yrs/$85m. The idea behind signing Malcolm was to pair him with Vic in the backcourt in order to form one of the better guard duos in the east. What Malcolm has done, rather, in the absence of Vic...is proved that he can be the main guy for the Indiana Pacers. His threes are not falling like they were last year in Milwaukee (from 43% down to 32%), but that is to be expected with the change of scenery. In Milwaukee, teams had to focus more on Giannis and Middleton than anyone else, so it was easier for Malcolm to shoot at a higher clip due to being open more often and even when not open, he usually wasn't being guarded by the opposing teams best defender.

Scoring wise, he's good. 19ppg on 47% shooting and 32% from three, can't complain about those numbers at all. Where he really gets my approval is his playmaking. He more than doubled his assists from last year and is doing a great job of getting his guys good looks. Which leads me to his right hand man so far this season...


Domantas Sabonis

4yrs/$77m

Before I divulge into his breakout year, let me give a big **** you to the Orlando Magic organization. ****ing idiots traded this guy AND Vic for Terrence Ross essentially. :facepalm


There is not much to say other than that Sabonis is straight up KILLING IT. 18.6ppg, 13.4 rpg, and he's getting about 4 assists per game. Albeit, his per 36 is pretty much the same as it was last year, but it's the fact that he's actually producing those hypothetical numbers and effecting the game positively for Indy. His efficiency has gone down (59% from 50%), but that is to be expected when you go from being a role player who isn't expected to shoulder the offensive load to the 2nd option on a playoff bound team. I'm not gonna comment on his defense since I haven't watched enough Pacers bball to do so, so if anyone can chime in on his defense please do. His three point shooting isn't looking very good at a 29% percentage, but that is something we can overlook due to the sheer amount of three point shooters this team possesses.


Jeremy Lamb

3yrs/$31.5m

This one's going to be short and sweet. Jeremy is exactly who we expected him to be, a true shooting guard who can play some decent defense. He's scoring 17ppg and shooting 46% from the field while grabbing 6 rebounds per game. He's not shooting very well from beyond the ark, but given the fact that he's only played 7 games (not in a row), I'm sure this will be fixed over time. The team clearly plays better when he's on the floor, as they are 5-2 with Lamb active.

Lebron6
11-27-2019, 02:10 PM
Domantas Sabonis's defense looking amazing lately. :rockon:

He currently have 2.3 DBPM, highest in his career.

DMAVS41
11-27-2019, 02:10 PM
Going to need more than this sample to start calling a player bad or good.

Obviously Jones is playing really poorly so far this year, but his salary is pretty low to begin with so calling a contract bad for a guy that doesn't even make 9 million a year on average and is declining... bad is a pretty tough sell given where the cap is and where it is going...

Unless one is arguing that said player shouldn't even be in the league...and that was never the case and I assume it isn't now.

Simply, there is no universe in which a player as good at defense as Jones was the last couple years at his age...is getting paid only 4 million a year. Not realistic at all...

Now, if he shoots and plays the way he currently is...and this is his new level of play...then he's probably not a NBA player...I agree with that.

keep-itreal
11-27-2019, 02:16 PM
Tobias Harris - $190 Million :roll:

Xiao Yao You
11-27-2019, 02:17 PM
Bojan great. See what it looks like in a couple of years when it's time for Mitchell and Gobert to get paid.

Mudiay good.

Ingles extension not looking good at the moment

Bosnian Sajo
11-27-2019, 02:22 PM
Going to need more than this sample to start calling a player bad or good.

Obviously Jones is playing really poorly so far this year, but his salary is pretty low to begin with so calling a contract bad for a guy that doesn't even make 9 million a year on average and is declining... bad is a pretty tough sell given where the cap is and where it is going...

Unless one is arguing that said player shouldn't even be in the league...and that was never the case and I assume it isn't now.


No, I'm not saying that. I do think he is a minimum/mini mid level exception type player, though. So based on that, I definitely think he is overpaid.


Like you said, it's not a HUGE amount of the cap, but that $9m per could have gone to Wright, who you (especially) know is a good piece off the bench.


And I understand needing more of a sample size, whatever...but for the sake of discussion we're gonna rate em as they are right now, roughly 20 games into the season. Besides, we can always bump this thread to show if someone's assessment is spot on or was too early made :D

It beats the basic old Lebron/Kobe threads we see on ISH day-to-day.

DMAVS41
11-27-2019, 02:25 PM
No, I'm not saying that. I do think he is a minimum/mini mid level exception type player, though. So based on that, I definitely think he is overpaid.


Like you said, it's not a HUGE amount of the cap, but that $9m per could have gone to Wright, who you (especially) know is a good piece off the bench.


And I understand needing more of a sample size, whatever...but for the sake of discussion we're gonna rate em as they are right now, roughly 20 games into the season. Besides, we can always bump this thread to show if someone's assessment is spot on or was too early made :D

It beats the basic old Lebron/Kobe threads we see on ISH day-to-day.

I won't argue with most of that, and you certainly are looking much better than I am about Jones. I really liked him on Minny...especially defensively.

However, age really matters. Wright is like 4 years older iirc...younger guys...especially guys under the age of 25...get paid extra for what they could become.

Obviously with Jones so far...it has gone in the wrong direction in terms of his shooting, but you can't ignore age when talking about what a guy is worth.

STATUTORY
11-27-2019, 02:26 PM
Dwight Howard on a non-guaranteed vet minimum has to be up there as one of the best

SpaceJam2
11-27-2019, 02:35 PM
Tobias Harris - $190 Million :roll:

Goodness :roll: :roll:

Proctor
11-27-2019, 02:58 PM
Bojan great. See what it looks like in a couple of years when it's time for Mitchell and Gobert to get paid.

Mudiay good.

Ingles extension not looking good at the moment
You can have Derozan if you want

qrich
11-27-2019, 06:15 PM
Zubac at $7M/per is looking like it'll end up a steal if he keeps improving.

NBAGOAT
11-27-2019, 06:23 PM
I thought Bojan was a little overpaid. He

Xiao Yao You
11-27-2019, 06:47 PM
[QUOTE=NBAGOAT]I thought Bojan was a little overpaid. He

CelticBaller
11-27-2019, 11:07 PM
Tobias Harris - $190 Million :roll:
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