Why dont defenses pack the paint like a jumbled nightclub anymore?

[SpaceJam2]

Is it because modern era players have skills to shoot 3s and athleticism to dunk over?

[SpaceJam2]

Terrible strategy :lol

That's like investing all funds into one sector with no diversity

The 90s way

[LAmbruh]

Lots of reasons


But mostly because guys over 6'7 are physically mobile now and can make shots over 10 feet


20+ years ago they were simply used as traffic cones and anybody walking the streets over 6'8 were recruited + given scholarships

[Marchesk]

Meanwhile, former MVP and tree-time Triple Double Brook is shooting 23% from three on almost six attempts a game.

This alongside Harden shooting almost 14 threes and over 14 free throws.

But Kerr wouldn't have made it in today's game, and Jordan would be a DeRozan.

[SpaceJam2]

Lots of reasons


But mostly because guys over 6'7 are physically mobile now and can make shots over 10 feet


20+ years ago they were simply used as traffic cones and anybody walking the streets over 6'8 were recruited + given scholarships

Street cone defense era :roll: :roll

[SpaceJam2]

Meanwhile, former MVP and tree-time Triple Double Brook is shooting 23% from three on almost six attempts a game.

This alongside Harden shooting almost 14 threes and over 14 free throws.

But Kerr wouldn't have made it in today's game, and Jordan would be a DeRozan.

Jordan never faced skilled competition

Westbrook IS a modern MJ

And Harden is having a down year

[3ball]

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NBA.COM: Since the hand-checking rule was interpreted differently beginning in the 2004-05 season, the game has opened up. Players are penetrating and the floor is spread. As a result, scoring has risen every season. Was this anticipated back in 2004?

STU JACKSON: By doing so, we encouraged more dribble penetration. Our objective was to allow for more offensive freedom by not allowing defenders to hand-, forearm- or body-check ball handlers. As players penetrated more, it produced higher quality shots for the ball handler as well as shots for teammates on passes back out to perimeter. When NBA players get higher quality shots -- having more time to shoot -- they tend to make more of them.


NBA.COM: Shooting percentages have risen since 2004-05 regardless of location -- at-the-rim shots, short- and deep-mid range and 3-pointers. Does this surprise you, especially the higher percentages from 3-point range?

STU JACKSON: It doesn't. With the rule and interpretation changes, it has become more difficult for defenders to defend penetration, cover the entire floor on defensive rotations and recover to shooters. With more dribble penetration, ball handlers are getting more opportunities at the rim.


NBA.COM: From an Xs and Os perspective, how have coaches adjusted to a more wide-open game? What have they done differently?

STU JACKSON: Coaches have utilized more space on the floor so to create more room for dribble penetration, two-man pick-and-roll basketball and dribble exchanges on the perimeter.


NBA.COM: When you watch the game today, does it closely resemble an international game or are there still distinct differences in the style of play?

STU JACKSON: Our game does more closely resemble an international game in terms of the style of play than it used to. However, there are distinct differences in the international game vs. the NBA game. The international game utilizes a pure zone defense (as opposed to the defensive three-second rule), which allows frontcourt players to stand in the middle of the lane and discourage cutting, passing and dribble penetration.

[3ball]

OP, it's because previous eras didn't realize that driving and kicking for 3-pointers is the most efficient offensive play possible in the game of basketball

Driving and kicking for 2-pointers simply wasn't as efficient, and infact is less efficient than post-ups and unspaced isolations... So previous eras went with post-ups and iso's, which resulted in the paint looking like a crowded nightclub as defenders didn't have to leave the paint

But the reality is that the league designed it this way (see the super-bold in the previous post) - they said the hand-check ban was designed to make penetration easier, which made driving and kicking easier - this ultimately sparked the brain of D'antoni to use drive-and-kick to maximize 3-point looks, and the rest is history - basketball was going to die, and it's now happened

[superduper]

Because it's....ban now?

Just like every other defensive technique that ever existed in basketball. All have been banned.

Garbage era.

[yeaaaman]

Street cone defense era :roll: :roll

lol you won't want to go on youtube and look at some of the horrible defense you see today.

As to your original question, I'm not sure if you noticed but the game has changed. The 3 point shot is prioritized so players actually kinda practice and take that shot a lot more versus midrange and post-ups. So if a team is playing a 4 out offense, why would you have 5 guys standing under the rim to catch the ball? You have to actually play defense to win, fyi.

When somebody does an up and under today it's jaw dropping. It's a different game. People don't know how to stop Pascal Siakam because he's crafty in the paint and can finish. That means he knows how to reverse pivot, most of the league can't do this, so why play inside?

[yeaaaman]

Jordan never faced skilled competition

Westbrook IS a modern MJ

And Harden is having a down year

Wait, now I wish I never took the time to respond to you after seeing this. What kind of website has this turned into?

[ImKobe]

Jordan never faced skilled competition

Westbrook IS a modern MJ

And Harden is having a down year

Westbrook is a modern MJ, except he's a few inches shorter, a bit slower, has smaller hands, can't jump as high, can't shoot the mid-range nearly as well nor can he hit any FTs. Pretty close though. :applause:

[jstern]

I decide to check out the NBA section of ISH after so many months, and I see that 3ball is still dominating, winning.

Is wheels still in a wheelchair or have they found a cure?

[warriorfan]

I decide to check out the NBA section of ISH after so many months, and I see that 3ball is still dominating, winning.

Is wheels still in a wheelchair or have they found a cure?

:roll:

Wheels still can

[72-10]

Westbrook is a modern MJ, except he's a few inches shorter, a bit slower, has smaller hands, can't jump as high, can't shoot the mid-range nearly as well nor can he hit any FTs. Pretty close though. :applause:

you think the defense there, huh?

[ImKobe]

you think the defense there, huh?

Just offensively, we don't need to talk about defense because everyone knows Jordan's the GOAT defensive guard (after Kobe).

[72-10]

the more adept although overrated team-oriented three-point shooting of the new millennium era draws perimeter defenders further from the basket

it's a little difficult to buy that it's more difficult to drive against a 2-3 zone or a box and 1 when you consider OP's thread, especially considering there was usually a Hall of Fame center or other defensive stalwart waiting at the end of the play

enforcers like Buck Williams or Horace Grant, who aren't even in the Hall yet, would stop a lot of these drives

the zones also make it more difficult to make entry passes into the paint due to the passing lanes not being as open, but for some strange reason, steals are at an all-time low, aren't they?

[FKAri]

I decide to check out the NBA section of ISH after so many months, and I see that 3ball is still dominating, winning.

Is wheels still in a wheelchair or have they found a cure?
Wrong Lebron hater to pick out of a hat. 3ball's been getting KO'd.

[3ball]

Wrong Lebron hater to pick out of a hat. 3ball's been getting KO'd.
Examples?.. or just your normal shit-talk?... :kobe:

[LostCause]

3ball shit on OP in his first post. Sheesh

Happy Thanksgiving guys. Go easy on em 3ball that man has a family:roll:

[SpaceJam2]

Lots of reasons


But mostly because guys over 6'7 are physically mobile now and can make shots over 10 feet


20+ years ago they were simply used as traffic cones and anybody walking the streets over 6'8 were recruited + given scholarships

Anyone?

[SpaceJam2]

Wrong Lebron hater to pick out of a hat. 3ball's been getting KO'd.

:roll:

The dude is suffering from CTE

[FKAri]

Examples?.. or just your normal shit-talk?... :kobe:
I enjoyed this one:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13871851&postcount=76

But that's just you being ignorant. The worse ones are where you're caught inventing truths or stats to support an argument that should be able to stand on its own. Like I've always maintained, your debate skills and persuasive writing is so bad that it's a disservice to MJ.

[Bawkish]

Anyone?

except traffic cones nowadays were tumbling down easily before even getting hit

[jstern]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]:roll:

Wheels still can

[coin24]

Oh man, poor wheels.


He's been busy, half the first page is him talking to himself :oldlol:

[jstern]

He's been busy, half the first page is him talking to himself :oldlol:

Yes, I noticed that. :lol

[SpaceJam2]

I enjoyed this one:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13871851&postcount=76

But that's just you being ignorant. The worse ones are where you're caught inventing truths or stats to support an argument that should be able to stand on its own. Like I've always maintained, your debate skills and persuasive writing is so bad that it's a disservice to MJ.

100%

3ball is literally hurting MJ's legacy with each post :lol

[paksat]

its because the game is so much more advanced and players are so skilled that the NBA is going bankrupt with all the viewers telling "modern" basketball to piss off.

[BigShotBob]

*insert Durant wide open dunk gif*

"modern advanced NBA defenses" :oldlol:

[3ball]

I enjoyed this one:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13871851&postcount=76

But that's just you being ignorant. The worse ones are where you're caught inventing truths or stats to support an argument that should be able to stand on its own. Like I've always maintained, your debate skills and persuasive writing is so bad that it's a disservice to MJ.
That's the best you can do?

Me forgetting that Pippen outscored Worthy by 1 point in 1991?

Pathetic - whatever point I was making certainly wasn't deterred by such a negligible statistical discrepancy

and that's the point - tiny statistical typos don't change the point being made.. you guys make bigger statistical errors but I don't harp on them because I can beat you on the SUBSTANCE

[BigShotBob]

How would OP know what the inside of a nightclub looks like? :lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

That's the best you can do?

Me forgetting that Pippen outscored Worthy by 1 point in 1991?

Pathetic - whatever point I was making certainly wasn't deterred by such a negligible statistical discrepancy

and that's the point - tiny statistical typos don't change the point being made.. you guys make bigger statistical errors but I don't harp on them because I can beat you on the SUBSTANCE
MJ was a 3rd option in college

Can't be GOAT

[AirFederer]

Jordan never faced skilled competition

Westbrook IS a modern MJ

And Harden is having a down year
Le2011 is a gloryfied Ilt.

Not my King.

#selfproclaimedchokenone

:cry

#LeIlt

[brooks_thompson]

The real question is why defenses haven't yet deprogrammed themselves from helping on every drive (unless it's Harden). That like 95% of 3 pt shots are still wide open kills me. On the other hand, if other teams are still so scared of the two-pointer, then what's to say you need volume 3-point shooting to win? They've gotta be scared of the drive for a reason, right?

I hope something gives soon. Some team has to come with a defense that's all in on preventing open threes. Can a Harden or James really finish drives at such a high percentage if he has to do it 30 times a game?

[BigShotBob]

The real question is why defenses haven't yet deprogrammed themselves from helping on every drive (unless it's Harden). That like 95% of 3 pt shots are still wide open kills me. On the other hand, if other teams are still so scared of the two-pointer, then what's to say you need volume 3-point shooting to win? They've gotta be scared of the drive for a reason, right?

I hope something gives soon. Some team has to come with a defense that's all in on preventing open threes. Can a Harden or James really finish drives at such a high percentage if he has to do it 30 times a game?

Teams like to play the percentages. So you help off of a 35% 3 point shooter for instance, and try to "make" that person beat you. But the variance on those shots are insane, because anyone can explode at any moment in time.

Like you I'd do the opposite and make the superstars beat me single-handedly while I completely shutdown their roleplayers. I've had that done against me in 2k and it's infuriating :oldlol:

[brooks_thompson]

Teams like to play the percentages. So you help off of a 35% 3 point shooter for instance, and try to "make" that person beat you. But the variance on those shots are insane, because anyone can explode at any moment in time.

Like you I'd do the opposite and make the superstars beat me single-handedly while I completely shutdown their roleplayers. I've had that done against me in 2k and it's infuriating :oldlol:

Yeah, I'll admit that I'm just a spectator, so I don't know if the coaches know that the true star players are just that good. But I'm at the point where I want to find out. I'm tired of LBJ drawing just the help he wants so he can get the pass he's looking for. It seems scripted at this point. I wanna see these guys have to improvise for real. And I know they can do it to an extent...but to the extent where if you just leave them on an island with a solid defender, they'll beat you?

[SpaceJam2]

That's the best you can do?

Me forgetting that Pippen outscored Worthy by 1 point in 1991?

Pathetic - whatever point I was making certainly wasn't deterred by such a negligible statistical discrepancy

and that's the point - tiny statistical typos don't change the point being made.. you guys make bigger statistical errors but I don't harp on them because I can beat you on the SUBSTANCE

By 1 point? :lol

20.8 ppg
vs
19.3 ppg

= by one point in 1ball logic

another lying fail :lol

pathetic. no wonder real gm banned your dumb ass

[3ball]

By 1 point? :lol

20.8 ppg
vs
19.3 ppg

= by one point in 1ball logic

another lying fail :lol

pathetic. no wonder real gm banned your dumb ass
^^^ translation: I can't (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13884997&postcount=5) argue Lebron > MJ, so I'll focus on bullshit instead