Jordan averaged 8.5 free throws per game while Harden averaged 8.7 fpg

[Lebron23]

Both are/were getting superstar treatments. And Harden is very good at drawing fouls. Harden averaging over 39 ppg is having one of the best offensive performance since late 1980's Jordan. If you are going to criticize Harden getting to the foul line might as well do the same to Jordan

[Shogon]

Both are/were getting superstar treatments. And Harden is very good at drawing fouls. Harden averaging over 39 ppg is having one of the best offensive performance since late 1980's Jordan. If you are going to criticize Harden getting to the foul line might as well do the same to Jordan

Spoken like someone with their head firmly lodged up their own ass.

[Lebron23]

Spoken like someone with their head firmly lodged up their own ass.
Just asked Charles Oakley he said that MJ got some preferential treatments during his playing career.

[bullettooth]

Another LeBron dickrider ignoring the obvious whenever it's convenient.

[Shogon]

First of all, Jordan was, you know... legitimately fouled... at a much higher rate than Harden.

Harden can have all the talent and skill in the world and it's never going to change the fact that he literally, multiple times per game, tries to draw fouls to such a degree that it's obvious he's not even trying to make a shot. Jordan didn't do that shit.

It's ridiculous and while Harden is undeniably one of the league's best, at the same time, he's still a fraud and a sham... and it literally shows up every single year in the playoffs. Every. Single. Year.


Also, the rules and the game itself has changed to benefit Harden. He would get his shut pushed in repeatedly growing up in an era with hand checking, a packed paint in which teams and an era in which teams didn't freely allow you to bomb 3s like crazy.

[Lebron23]

Another LeBron dickrider ignoring the obvious whenever it's convenient.
The Jordan rules was created because Jordan was a terrible 3 points shooter. I can see Harden scoring 30 points vs the Pistons without getting beaten up by these street thugs defense.

[STATUTORY]

:facepalm the NBA product has been dumbed down to appeal to "global" audience like OP

[LoneyROY7]

Spoken like someone with their head firmly lodged up their own ass.

Remember years back when you thought CP joining Harden was gonna be the end of Harden's MVP-level play?

:lol :lol

One more ball-dominant PG later and his production is better than ever.

[Shogon]

Remember years back when you thought CP joining Harden was gonna be the end of Harden's MVP-level play?

:lol :lol

One more ball-dominant PG later and his production is better than ever.

Remember when the Rockets did what was best for their team and not for Harden's ego and stats? Oh wait, neither do I, because that never happened.

So forgive me for thinking in a logical fashion.

[Lebron23]

:facepalm the NBA product has been dumbed down to appeal to "global" audience like OP
Basketball evolved. Guys like Derozan would be a much better player in the 1990's. You need to have more range in today's NBA. 1980's and 1990's style of ball won't work in the current era.

[Shogon]

And before you even chime in with the Rockets being best with him being ball dominant, THAT'S BECAUSE HE STANDS STILL AND WATCHES THE ROCKETS PLAY 4 ON 5 WHEN HE DOESN'T HAVE THE BALL YOU UTTER DIPSHIT.

[LoneyROY7]

Remember when the Rockets did what was best for their team and not for Harden's ego and stats? Oh wait, neither do I, because that never happened.

So forgive me for thinking in a logical fashion.

Hmmm, seemed to work out best for their team when they won 65 games and pushed one of the GOAT teams to the brink.

All that thinking in a logical fashion though. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Shogon]

Yep, called it, saw that idiotic argument coming.

Get your laughs in now... during the regular season... which is literally clockwork. One would think you'd have learned by now.

You laugh now... I laugh at the end of the season.

[LoneyROY7]

Yep, called it, saw that idiotic argument coming.

Get your laughs in now... during the regular season... which is literally clockwork. One would think you'd have learned by now.

You laugh now... I laugh at the end of the season.

An idiotic argument of unadulterated facts? :oldlol: :oldlol:

Keep getting angry and typing in all caps though, champ.

[Shogon]

An idiotic argument of unadulterated facts? :oldlol: :oldlol:

Keep getting angry and typing in all caps though, champ.

https://media.giphy.com/media/uFymrKF1jQZ9K/giphy.gif

[bullettooth]

The Jordan rules was created because Jordan was a terrible 3 points shooter. I can see Harden scoring 30 points vs the Pistons without getting beaten up by these street thugs defense.

WTF are you talking about?

[AirBonner]

Well well well why a coincidence that the people complaining about Harden

[Bronbron23]

Basketball evolved. Guys like Derozan would be a much better player in the 1990's. You need to have more range in today's NBA. 1980's and 1990's style of ball won't work in the current era.
More range? What are you talking about. The best scorers in the game today don't have much range at all. It's either all the way to the hole or a three. Lebron, greek and harden barely use the mid "range". Lebron actually has alittle more in the last few years but overall in his career hes never been comfortable there.

[AirBonner]

More range? What are you talking about. The best scorers in the game today don't have much range at all. It's either all the way to the hole or a three. Lebron, greek and harden barely use the mid "range". Lebron actually has alittle more in the last few years but overall in his career hes never been comfortable there.
Shooting midrange is literally the worst shot :facepalm

[juju151111]

Jordan didn't flop like Harden and Harden wasnt a started in his first few seasons which brings down his Fta.

[AirBonner]

Jordan didn't flop like Harden and Harden wasnt a started in his first few seasons which brings down his Fta.
You couldn

[yeaaaman]

Shooting midrange is literally the worst shot :facepalm

If you aren't good at it, and that's the point. I don't think the mid-range hurt Kawhi last year but it seemed to hurt Harden when he had palyers playing behind him at the 3pt line and he didn't know what to do, or when they couldn't close out the warriors in back to back years despite injuries. I don't think the mid-range hurt Lebron when he finally got one and has been able to win more since, I don't think it hurt Dirk when he obliterated the west with.... yea a mid-range game.

The Warriors with all-time great shooters have fooled the rest of the league and it's fans into thinking you win by being the Warriors of the past 4-5 years. The problem is most teams don't have Steph Curry and Klay Thompson

[yeaaaman]

[QUOTE=AirBonner]You couldn

[SomeBlackDude]

mj fga- 22.9 (.358 ftr, career high .459)
beard fga- 16.4 (.529 ftr, career high .600)

the beard has gotten fts at a much higher rate than the goat.

if mj was getting fts at the same rate as the beard, he would've shot just over 12 per game for his career.

his career ppg would be 32.5

if in his third season his airness was getting fta at the same rate the beard is this year, he would've shot 16.7 per game. he would've average 41.9 ppg that season.

and that's not even accounting for pace. houston is getting about 10 more possessions per game this season than the bulls did in '86-'87, and the beard has higher usg than jordan did.

https://i.postimg.cc/zvG0xpG3/maxresdefault.jpg

[AirBonner]

Bump. Looks like the league inflated MJ a-La Harden style

[expansionera]

“It started with Michael Jordan. The referees used to tell the younger referees that if Jordan goes to the hole and if there’s a crowd there then just blow the whistle. That’s what the refs are programmed to do.” - Tim Donaghy

Jordan is the most manufactured star in league history

[TheGoatest]

“It started with Michael Jordan. The referees used to tell the younger referees that if Jordan goes to the hole and if there’s a crowd there then just blow the whistle. That’s what the refs are programmed to do.” - Tim Donaghy

Jordan is the most manufactured star in league history

And he still complained to the refs more than any star in league history:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ej7t2z1UcAA_Em0.jpg

The entitled prick literally even butted heads with the referee.

Meanwhile, as soon as he was off the Bulls roster, the team-play based Bulls got screwed by one of the worst calls in NBA history:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdOzWd6XEAAkFpW.jpg

[outofstomach]

yeah, never understood the whole “take away his free throws” narrative, not only if you subtracted all of his free throws for the 2018 season he still led the league, jordan had an extremely high amount of free throws as well. don’t care how he gets them, don’t foul him :lol

[Spurs m8]

Thus is the kind of short sighted post I'd expect from op.

We gonna act like people werent pissed at Harden when he was constantly getting 16-20 FTs a game...not 8?

Or like Harden wasn't literally playing for the foul?
Things like hooking arms and jumping into players...was more his focus than actually scoring.

Jordan ALWAYS played for the actual basket...and was also attacking proper interior defense, none of the 3 spacing that is in today's game.

Players also actually attacked Jordan hard, something they never did to Harden either.

Go put ya spacejam jersey on and throw some bricks up

[HoopsNY]

Both are/were getting superstar treatments. And Harden is very good at drawing fouls. Harden averaging over 39 ppg is having one of the best offensive performance since late 1980's Jordan. If you are going to criticize Harden getting to the foul line might as well do the same to Jordan

You can't compare the two. One was a slasher while the other lives on the perimeter. It's expected given the acrobatic fg attempts that MJ had, especially during the 80s when he didn't shoot mid-range or long range as much. His top 4 seasons of FTH attempts come in the 80s.

[Hey Yo]

More range? What are you talking about. The best scorers in the game today don't have much range at all. It's either all the way to the hole or a three. Lebron, greek and harden barely use the mid "range". Lebron actually has alittle more in the last few years but overall in his career hes never been comfortable there.

Just described Curry to a T when post was made.... yet you claim he's the best shooter ever.

:oldlol:

[3ba11]

one of the worst calls in NBA history:





Pippen choked in Game 7 and the "sit out" game and this foul:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2021/LCBZJA.gif


Pippen was a choke artist with 3 chokes in the 94' ECSF and many more little chokes in that series as well, while having the historic migraine choke and choke in 00' WCF with Portland... the biggest choker and crybaby in history - MJ carried this bum to 2 three-peats

[Reggie43]

“It started with Michael Jordan. The referees used to tell the younger referees that if Jordan goes to the hole and if there’s a crowd there then just blow the whistle. That’s what the refs are programmed to do.” - Tim Donaghy

Jordan is the most manufactured star in league history

Crooked ref Tim Donaghy? Nice source :oldlol:

[expansionera]

Crooked ref Tim Donaghy? Nice source :oldlol:

During an interview with Melissa Isaacson of The Athletic in 2017, Paxson said former NBA supervisor of officials Darrell Garretson told the Bulls why Jordan got away with fouls, and other players didn’t.

“He told us, ‘Look, we all know the fans are here to see the great players like Michael Jordan, so if there’s a play where Jordan and Paxson are together, and there’s a foul and Jordan smacked the guy on the arm, I’m giving the foul to Paxson because the fans don’t want to see Jordan foul out of the game.’ So I knew where I stood,” Paxson said. “But that didn’t make me feel any better.”

Lmao Jordan colluded with the refs

[Reggie43]

During an interview with Melissa Isaacson of The Athletic in 2017, Paxson said former NBA supervisor of officials Darrell Garretson told the Bulls why Jordan got away with fouls, and other players didn’t.

“He told us, ‘Look, we all know the fans are here to see the great players like Michael Jordan, so if there’s a play where Jordan and Paxson are together, and there’s a foul and Jordan smacked the guy on the arm, I’m giving the foul to Paxson because the fans don’t want to see Jordan foul out of the game.’ So I knew where I stood,” Paxson said. “But that didn’t make me feel any better.”

Lmao Jordan colluded with the refs

Superstar calls/treatment have been around for decades moreso in this era but yeah only one guy benefitted from that bullshit lol

[expansionera]

Superstar calls/treatment have been around for decades moreso in this era but yeah only one guy benefitted from that bullshit lol

No one benefitted from it more than Jordan, he shot as many free throws as Harden in an era with much slower pace and lesser scoring. Even his own teammates and Jordan himself have gone on record about him being favored by the refs, with Stern promoting a singular player moreso than ever before in history in order to hype up the league.

Good entertainment but Lebron is a better basketball player

[Reggie43]

No one benefitted from it more than Jordan, he shot as many free throws as Harden in an era with much slower pace and lesser scoring. Even his own teammates and Jordan himself have gone on record about him being favored by the refs, with Stern promoting a singular player moreso than ever before in history in order to hype up the league.

Good entertainment but Lebron is a better basketball player

Nice touch randomly inserting Lebron in there lol. What happened to your other account by the way? Lost password?

[Axe]

And he still complained to the refs more than any star in league history:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ej7t2z1UcAA_Em0.jpg

The entitled prick literally even butted heads with the referee.

Meanwhile, as soon as he was off the Bulls roster, the team-play based Bulls got screwed by one of the worst calls in NBA history:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CdOzWd6XEAAkFpW.jpg
Good gracious, look at this kid replying to his own dup and still obsessed about a bald fraud as if he stole his candy from him. :ohwell:

[TheGoatest]

Pippen choked in Game 7 and the "sit out" game and this foul:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2021/LCBZJA.gif


Pippen was a choke artist with 3 chokes in the 94' ECSF and many more little chokes in that series as well, while having the historic migraine choke and choke in 00' WCF with Portland... the biggest choker and crybaby in history - MJ carried this bum to 2 three-peats

Yes, that is indeed another angle that shows that was nowhere near a foul, which the Bulls would've gotten called in their favor had Jordan been on their roster.

Jordan without Pippen is meme-material choke artist:

5 seasons, not a single .500 one among them
1-9 playoff record
Finished lower in the seedings than an all-star-less team whose best player by far and leading scorer by a significant margin was a rookie Chuck Person