Why does Bill Russell have 5 more rings

[AirBonner]

Than the supposed GOAT MJ?

[Bosnian Sajo]

Because he won them when there were only 8 NBA teams.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Also 8 more than James. Of course no one with any sense thinks he's the greatest ever.

[AirBonner]

Because he won them when there were only 8 NBA teams.
So there were fewer roster spots and the competition was condensed :eek:

[coin24]

Because bran is busy weaving pubic hair onto his head

[FKAri]

He played in a league even worse than MJ's, if you can even fathom such a thing. It's difficult for us to comprehend but it is indeed true. He was going against amoeba's every night.

[Kiddlovesnets]

That Celtics team effectively had an all star rosters from the starters to bench.

[Vino24]

That Celtics team effectively had an all star rosters from the starters to bench.
Didn

[zeerghit]

Because he won them when there were only 8 NBA teams.
jordan 6 titles is in 2 expansions aswell..

[Wally450]

Bill Russell is my GOAT.

Celtics baby. :banana:

[bison]

Also 8 more than James. Of course no one with any sense thinks he's the greatest ever.

what kind of celtics fan throws Bill Russell under the bus? you must be a bron stan. No one is saying Russell is #1 GOAT, but he's top 10 and arguably top 5.

[Real Men Wear Green]

what kind of celtics fan throws Bill Russell under the bus? you must be a bron stan. No one is saying Russell is #1 GOAT, but he's top 10 and arguably top 5.
I was referring to James. You must not be a Levar Burton Stan.

[Marchesk]

Because he had two to three Pippens.

[Gileraracer]

Because he has more than 3 times the rings Lebron has :eek:

And didn't need to beg several superstars to help him :eek:

[Shogon]

Also 8 more than James. Of course no one with any sense thinks he's the greatest ever.

Yes because a guy that won by far the most titles in league history, won it all both times in college and won it all twice in high school doesn’t have anyone that believes he’s the greatest.

A guy that psychologically understood team dynamics arguably the best out of everyone in league history including coaches.

A guy that repeatedly pushed Wilt’s shit in with no regard.


Yeah... THAT is the guy that has no sensible people who think he’s the GOAT.

:biggums:

[Shaquille O'Neal]

I do not have a dude with a career 15 PPG and who played with 9 Hall of Famers as my GOAT.

[3ball]

Prior to the 3-point line giving coaches/players a further marker on the floor to stand and run plays (in addition to an extra point), the game was played much closer to the basket, so the space didn't exist for great team offense like we see today and in recent eras.

Not surprisingly, a 1-way defender like Bill Russell was able to dominate and win the most, given the hampers on spacing.. And players' stances closer to the basket wasn't just a natural inclination, it was infact the correct thing to do in the absence of a 3-point line - 20-footers have always been a tough shot in any era - so it was natural for pre-80's defenders to let players take that shot all day long and pack the paint/midrange instead, where skilled scorers could hurt you much more efficiently.

But once the 3-point line was instituted in 1980, offensive efficiency immediately increased from the natural spacing effects and team offense became a more viable way to win games then ever before.. Consequently, all 40 league MVP's since the line was instituted have been dominant offensive players - for this reason, we know that Bill Russell wouldn't be an MVP-caliber player with a 3-point line and therefore, MJ's 6 rings in the modern era, specifically as "the man", is by far the goat achievement and makes him the greatest basketball player of all time.

[Real Men Wear Green]

[QUOTE=Shogon]Yes because a guy that won by far the most titles in league history, won it all both times in college and won it all twice in high school doesn

[SpaceJam2]

[QUOTE=Shogon]Yes because a guy that won by far the most titles in league history, won it all both times in college and won it all twice in high school doesn

[Bronbron23]

Because he won them when there were only 8 NBA teams.
Ive never like this argument. I guess the argument is that there was less competition because there was 8 teams but each of those tesms would be pretty loaded and a threat. Fast forward to this era and theres way more teams but how many are actually a threat. Not 30 thats for sure. Maybe 5 or 6. So really its no different than when Russell played because your really only competing against a handful of teams.

[3ball]

Also 8 more than James. Of course no one with any sense thinks he's the greatest ever.
all 40 league MVP's since the 3-point line was instituted have been dominant offensive players

for this reason, we know that Bill Russell wouldn't be an MVP-caliber player with a 3-point line and therefore, Jordan's 6 rings in the modern era, specifically as "the man", is by far the goat achievement and makes him the greatest basketball player of all time (2nd place has 3 rings as "the man")

if you disagree with this, then you're saying that Russell was good enough to be the only MVP in 40 years that wasn't a dominant offensive player, which seems pretty impossible.

And MJ's rings as "the man" are backed up by his 6 FMVP's, where 2nd place only has 3

[tanibanana]

He is top-5 to many, and top-10 to all. I think that is a reasonable spot for him.
He is top-5 because of Rings, Defense, Leadership.
He is NOT top-3 because of Offense, stacked Celtics, Wilt was the best in his era.

[FKAri]

all 40 league MVP's since the 3-point line was instituted have been dominant offensive players

for this reason, we know that Bill Russell wouldn't be an MVP-caliber player with a 3-point line and therefore, Jordan's 6 rings in the modern era, specifically as "the man", is by far the goat achievement and makes him the greatest basketball player of all time (2nd place has 3 rings as "the man")

if you disagree with this, then you're saying that Russell was good enough to be the only MVP in 40 years that wasn't a dominant offensive player, which seems pretty impossible.

And MJ's rings as "the man" are backed up by his 6 FMVP's, where 2nd place only has 3
But doesn't that fact that 6 FMVP's were won by a player as terrible as MJ prove how meaningless of an achievement it really is?

[SpaceJam2]

But doesn't that fact that 6 FMVP's were won by a player as terrible as MJ prove how meaningless of an achievement it really is?

Goodness gracious 3 ball in shambles now

[AirBonner]

all 40 league MVP's since the 3-point line was instituted have been dominant offensive players

for this reason, we know that Bill Russell wouldn't be an MVP-caliber player with a 3-point line and therefore, Jordan's 6 rings in the modern era, specifically as "the man", is by far the goat achievement and makes him the greatest basketball player of all time (2nd place has 3 rings as "the man")

if you disagree with this, then you're saying that Russell was good enough to be the only MVP in 40 years that wasn't a dominant offensive player, which seems pretty impossible.

And MJ's rings as "the man" are backed up by his 6 FMVP's, where 2nd place only has 3
He would have won DPOY every year had it existed. You have Wilt at #2 and Russell essentially used him as toilet paper every year

[RRR3]

Yep

Players with 11 rings: 1
Players with 6 rings: 13

BANG

Players with 6 rings: 13 :(

Players with 7 rings: 9

Players with 8 rings: 6

Players with 10 rings: 2

Players with 11 rings: 1

Players with 6,000 playoff points: 1 (LeBron)

Got it?
Please stop spamming. It’s bad enough with 3bot we don’t need another spammer.

[Shogon]

i could swear I just addressed this. I was referring to James, not Russell.

My bad, I stopped reading at that point... but your quote definitely reads as I interpreted it...

[LostCause]

Yep

Players with 11 rings: 1
Players with 6 rings: 13

BANG

Players with 6 rings: 13 :(

Players with 7 rings: 9

Players with 8 rings: 6

Players with 10 rings: 2

Players with 11 rings: 1

Players with 6,000 playoff points: 1 (LeBron)

Got it?

How many players with 3 rings?

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=Shogon]Yes because a guy that won by far the most titles in league history, won it all both times in college and won it all twice in high school doesn

[Shogon]

He's on record saying that he would pick Wilt up from the airport during their games against each other. These guys were all buddy buddy with no real rivalry.

"Hey bud, you get me this time, I'll get you next time." :lol

It's hard to have a rivalry when you only beat the other guy in a series a total of once.

[SpaceJam2]

How many players with 3 rings?

It's a good thing the game isnt omly about rings :lol Or is Bill Russell GOAT?


Some players have MULTIPLE records

[3ball]

It's a good thing the game isnt omly about rings :lol Or is Bill Russell GOAT?


Some players have MULTIPLE records
all 40 league MVP's since the 3-point line was instituted have been dominant offensive players

for this reason, we know that Bill Russell wouldn't be an MVP-caliber player with a 3-point line and therefore, Jordan's 6 rings in the modern era, specifically as "the man", is by far the goat achievement and makes him the greatest basketball player of all time (2nd place has 3 rings as "the man")

if you disagree with this, then you're saying that Russell was good enough to be the only MVP in 40 years that wasn't a dominant offensive player, which seems pretty impossible.

And MJ's rings as "the man" are backed up by his 6 FMVP's, where 2nd place only has 3

[SpaceJam2]

all 40 league MVP's since the 3-point line was instituted have been dominant offensive players

for this reason, we know that Bill Russell wouldn't be an MVP-caliber player with a 3-point line and therefore, Jordan's 6 rings in the modern era, specifically as "the man", is by far the goat achievement and makes him the greatest basketball player of all time (2nd place has 3 rings as "the man")

if you disagree with this, then you're saying that Russell was good enough to be the only MVP in 40 years that wasn't a dominant offensive player, which seems pretty impossible.

And MJ's rings as "the man" are backed up by his 6 FMVP's, where 2nd place only has 3

What's the essay for?

Players with 11 rings: 1 (Bill Russell)
Players with 6k playoff pts: 1 (LeBron James)

Players that faced a 10.7 ppg #2 option in the Finals: 1 (Jordan)

Damn

[3ball]

What's the essay for?

Players with 11 rings: 1 (Bill Russell)
Players with 6k playoff pts: 1 (LeBron James)

Players that faced a 10.7 ppg #2 option in the Finals: 1 (Jordan)

Damn
Players with 6 rings as the man: Jordan

check

players averaging over 30 ppg in the playoffs: Jordan

checkmate

players at 50% on clutch shots in the playoffs: Jordan

game, set, match

[SpaceJam2]

Players with 6 rings as the man: Jordan

check

players averaging over 30 ppg in the playoffs: Jordan

checkmate

Why did every player in league history score fewer points in the post season than LeBron, despite more or equal playoff appearances?

MJ: 13
LBJ: 13
Kareem: 18
Kobe: 16
Shaq: 17

Etc ?

[3ball]

Why did every player in league history score fewer points in the post season than LeBron, despite more or equal playoff appearances?

MJ: 13
LBJ: 13
Kareem: 18
Kobe: 16
Shaq: 17

Etc ?
Jordan averaged 5 more points per game than Lebron in the playoffs on better efficiency rating and efficiency per possession - there's never been a comparison where a player scored 5 more per game on better efficiency and wasn't considered the FAR better player

[3ball]

there's never been a comparison where a player scored 5 more per game on better efficiency and wasn't considered the FAR better player, and Jordan averaged 5 more per game than Lebron in the playoffs on better efficiency rating and efficiency per possession


^^^ Has there ever been such a comparison spacejam?

[Hittin_Shots]

I do not have a dude with a career 15 PPG and who played with 9 Hall of Famers as my GOAT.

You win 11 title you're getting all your teammates into the HOF, retarded argument.

[SpaceJam2]

You win 11 title you're getting all your teammates into the HOF, retarded argument.

Don't worry, it's a 3ball alt account. He hates all things non-Jordan :lol

[Hittin_Shots]

Don't worry, it's a 3ball alt account. He hates all things non-Jordan :lol

Noones talking to you Mr 61.38.

[SpaceJam2]

Noones talking to you Mr 61.38.

Hows that Boston playoff run going over the last 9 years?

[Hittin_Shots]

Hows that Boston playoff run going over the last 9 years?

Better than your basement dwelling life.

[Duncan21formvp]

Than the supposed GOAT MJ?
Because he only had to win 2 series a year to win a title. From 1985 forward you needed to win 4 series a year to win a title. Also Russell joined the league mvp and rookie of the year over him when he joined the C's.

[LostCause]

It's a good thing the game isnt omly about rings :lol Or is Bill Russell GOAT?


Some players have MULTIPLE records

You're the one that made the post detailing how many players have x amount of rings :confusedshrug:

Then immediately switched it up when you realized your boy looked bad there so you randomly tossed in "points" :no:

Yal stans are getting dumber and dumber. Out here handing LeBron consolation prizes and participation awards. How you make a list that your boy ain't even included in :lol


Yep

Players with 11 rings: 1
Players with 6 rings: 13

BANG

Players with 6 rings: 13 :(

Players with 7 rings: 9

Players with 8 rings: 6

Players with 10 rings: 2

Players with 11 rings: 1

Players with 6,000 playoff points: 1 (LeBron)

Got it?

:roll:

[Bosnian Sajo]

jordan 6 titles is in 2 expansions aswell..

How does that even remotely compare to an 8 team league?

[Bosnian Sajo]

Ive never like this argument. I guess the argument is that there was less competition because there was 8 teams but each of those tesms would be pretty loaded and a threat. Fast forward to this era and theres way more teams but how many are actually a threat. Not 30 thats for sure. Maybe 5 or 6. So really its no different than when Russell played because your really only competing against a handful of teams.


I see your point, but you're assuming the league had as many star players then as they do now, which is just false.


Out of the 8 teams, the 3 worst teams had 1 star each and the league only had 3 teams above 500 out of 8. Look it up.

[Champ]

[QUOTE=Vino24]Didn

[72-10]

Because LeBron James sucks

just like OP does

[SpaceJam2]

Because LeBron James sucks

just like OP does

73-9 :(