Is Dirk's 2011 title the single greatest title of all time?

[stalkerforlife]

I will forever be shocked that Dirk and those boys beat the most cowardly team of all time.

I consider it the single greatest title in NBA history.

[stalkerforlife]

And it happened ORGANICALLY.

No help from the league.

Just pure competition.

[LAmbruh]

still can't believe he swept my defending champion Lakers

[stalkerforlife]

still can't believe he swept my defending champion Lakers

Me either.

It was a beautiful run.

Best ever.

[coin24]

still can't believe he swept my defending champion Lakers


:sleeping :sleeping :sleeping

[FKAri]

still can't believe he swept my defending champion Lakers
Me and my boys were yelling at Pau for not grabbing boards in that series but I think deep down we all knew the real problem was Kobe getting lit up on the perimeter so bad that there were no boards to be had :(

[SpaceJam2]

Jason Terry smoked Kobe and my Lakers that year :(

Real Lakers fans know the pain of 2011 and don't talk about it much :(

[AirBonner]

Jason Terry treated Kobe like a white woman in Colorado :eek:

[FultzNationRISE]

Ill never forget Kobe missing the game winner in Game 1 vs the Mavs that year then throwing in the towel the rest of the series and getting summarily broomed out the playoffs.


Unforgettable.

[coin24]

Watching kidd and terry dominate bran must be like simons uncle coming down to the basement late at night

[red1]

its up there. for sure.



my top personal top 3 all-time:


1. 2019 raps
2. 2016 cavs
3. 2011 mavs

[DMAVS41]

Great, but no.

[bullettooth]

still can't believe he swept my defending champion Lakers

You were never a Lakers fan. FOH.

[SpaceJam2]

You were never a Lakers fan. FOH.

top 3 lakers fan on this board:

LAmbruh
Rico
Doranku

You are sorely mistaken

[SamuraiSWISH]

No. In fact it’s quite overrated.

Kobe was hurt, and the Lakers were broken down. Gasoft was putrid and gave up.

Miami imploded after dominating as favorites with LeBron quitting or getting locked up by ancient Kidd, Marion or midget car salesman JJ Barea.

And honestly Dirk was like the third best player in those finals. Jason Terry and Tyson Chandler carried them.

[SouBeachTalents]

From a team/narrative standpoint, you could definitely argue it was

From an individual standpoint, no way in hell could you say Dirk was better than 91-93 Jordan, 94-95 Hakeem, 2000 Shaq, 2003 Duncan etc

[red1]

No. In fact it’s quite overrated.

Kobe was hurt, and the Lakers were broken down. Gasoft was putrid and gave up.

Miami imploded after dominating as favorites with LeBron quitting or getting locked up by ancient Kidd, Mario or midget car salesman JJ Barea.

And honestly Dirk was like the third best player in those finals. Jason Terry and Tyson Chandler carried them.
disagree. I put it over every single MJ chip.




every. single. one.

[SamuraiSWISH]

disagree. I put it over every single MJ chip.




every. single. one.
Based on what?

2011 Dirk
16.6 GMsc
26 ppg 10 rpg 2 apg

Literally EVERY Jordan Finals is a better performance. Including his worst, 1996. And Gamescore doesn’t even take into account defense.

1991 MJ
29.4 GMsc
31 ppg 7 rpg 11 apg
Held Magic predominantly to 43%

1992 MJ
25.8 GMsc
36 ppg 5 rpg 7 apg
Held Drexler to 41%

1993 MJ
29.6 GMsc
41 ppg 9 rpg 6 apg

1996 MJ
18.5 GMsc
27 ppg 5 rpg 4 apg

1997 MJ
23.4 GMsc
32 ppg 7 rpg 6 apg

1998 MJ
21.4 GMsc
34 ppg 4 rpg 2 apg

Dirk wasn’t even the best player on the floor in his absolute best Finals. And literally his best Finals isn’t even better than Mike’s absolute worst. This is just a measure of offensive production too. Dirk couldn’t guard a stationary object and MJ is basically the best defender ever at his position and hounded limiting efficiency for a Mount Rushmore player in Magic and a top five player ever at his position and next best player at his position in the league with Drexler.

This is a joke if this is your actual non trolling stupid Canadian opinion.

:oldlol:

[knicksman]

its up there. for sure.



my top personal top 3 all-time:


1. 2019 raps
2. 2016 cavs
3. 2011 mavs

1. No
2. Lebron had a superteam just underachieved so they really are the favorites then silver still has to help him so no.
3. 1 superstar beating 3 superstars in their prime. yes

[stalkerforlife]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]Based on what?

2011 Dirk
16.6 GMsc
26 ppg 10 rpg 2 apg

Literally EVERY Jordan Finals is a better performance. Including his worst, 1996. And Gamescore doesn

[stalkerforlife]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]No. In fact it

[elementally morale]

Hakeem in 94.

[Bronbron23]

I will forever be shocked that Dirk and those boys beat the most cowardly team of all time.

I consider it the single greatest title in NBA history.
Its definitely up there because dirk didnt have another star. The fact that bron was terrible that series takes a little away from the feat but it was still impressive

[stalkerforlife]

Dirk vs the ENTIRE Heat big 3 in the 4th quarter of the finals...

Dirk - 10.3PPG on 68TS%.

ENTIRE big 3 - 14.3PPG on 52TS%.

:roll:

[STATUTORY]

the storylines in that final series just made it even better

Dwade and Lebron making fun of Dirk's cough

Dirk getting revenge for 2006 ref rig job

[Manny98]

No 2016

[Bronbron23]

No 2016
Thats up there to but dirks was better. based on your own belief that lebron is the goat you basically have to acknowledge that dirk was better. He beat the goat with three other stars and he didn't even have another star to help him do it. Im starting to wonder if you actually really think lebron is the goat.

[fourkicks44]

It was a good title and Dirk was amazing.

Overall, however, is the Piston's championship in 2004.

That is the best I have seen in my lifetime TBH.

Nobody gave them a snowflakes' chance in hell to win.

[Manny98]

Thats up there to but dirks was better. based on your own belief that lebron is the goat you basically have to acknowledge that dirk was better. He beat the goat with three other stars and he didn't even have another star to help him do it. Im starting to wonder if you actually really think lebron is the goat.
LeBron beat the GOAT team whilst doing this...

https://i.postimg.cc/bJRVtvmy/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d-1.jpg

Sorry but nothing Dirk has done in his entire career compares to this

[Bronbron23]

It was a good title and Dirk was amazing.

Overall, however, is the Piston's championship in 2004.

That is the best I have seen in my lifetime TBH.

Nobody gave them a snowflakes' chance in hell to win.
That true. Forgot about the pistons

[fourkicks44]

That true. Forgot about the pistons

The East was at it's all time weakest.

Shaq and Kobe were at their peak.

The star filled, stacked Lakers against a bunch of nobodys playing team ball.

Easily the best tbh.

[LAmbruh]

can we please not talk about my 2004 and 2011 Lakers

[tontoz]

Hakeem in 94.


That's the first thing that came to mind for me. In the 2nd round they lost their first two games at home vs the Suns. Came back to win in 7.

They were down 3-2 to the Knicks in the Finals.

The other 4 starters combined only made 1 All-Star game in their careers.

[ImKobe]

https://i.postimg.cc/JhVBJdHk/280-F87-C4-99-C8-45-C8-AE9-F-A5-C1-F419-BB78.jpg


wow

[coin24]

wow

Add scuzzy and lambruh alts and this guy posts almost 1000 times a day:roll: :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

No 2016

Fixed finals don't count.

Like I said previously, Dirk's was organic.

Y'all ain't fooling anyone.

[tpols]

It was the GOAT David vs goliath slay.

So yes.

Dirk was literally Jesus. And the heat fittingly were satan.

[tpols]

The East was at it's all time weakest.

Shaq and Kobe were at their peak.

The star filled, stacked Lakers against a bunch of nobodys playing team ball.

Easily the best tbh.


The pistons were like a shot away from beating the spurs the next year and had like 4 all stars tf you smoking.

[LAmbruh]

The pistons were like a shot away from beating the spurs the next year and had like 4 all stars tf you smoking.
Detroit only had 1 all-star in 2004


Lakers were overwhelming favorites



https://i.postimg.cc/hjMQJm5G/tujrtujrt.png

[DMAVS41]

The pistons were like a shot away from beating the spurs the next year and had like 4 all stars tf you smoking.

This.

I'd get the comments, kind of, if they never made the Rasheed Wallace trade and won or something, but they added a 29 year old stud in Rasheed that helped a lot.

Nothing about the 04 and 05 Pistons should be desribed as "a bunch of nobodies"...

[Doranku]

This.

I'd get the comments, kind of, if they never made the Rasheed Wallace trade and won or something, but they added a 29 year old stud in Rasheed that helped a lot.

Nothing about the 04 and 05 Pistons should be desribed as "a bunch of nobodies"...

Billups/Rip/Prince/Sheed/Big Ben

All under the age of 30. 4 all-stars in their prime, DPOY, and another elite defender in Tayshaun Prince. Scary team for sure.

[SpaceJam2]

LeBron beat the GOAT team whilst doing this...

https://i.postimg.cc/bJRVtvmy/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d-1.jpg

Sorry but nothing Dirk has done in his entire career compares to this

100% nothing is even close to this :lol


Dont forget LeBron had the single greatest Finals game in NBA history

Game 6 2016 NBA Finals
Look it up
Highest Finals Game Score ever

Something like 45-10-8-4-4 on 60%

[SpaceJam2]

Detroit only had 1 all-star in 2004


Lakers were overwhelming favorites



https://i.postimg.cc/hjMQJm5G/tujrtujrt.png

Tough times for us TRUE Lakers fans :(

[Duncan21formvp]

Bulls 1991, Spurs 2003, Mavs 2011, Bulls 1998, Spurs 2014 are the top 5.

[Doomsday Dallas]

easily

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Detroit only had 1 all-star in 2004


Lakers were overwhelming favorites



https://i.postimg.cc/hjMQJm5G/tujrtujrt.png

Lakers only had 2 allstars in 04:applause:

[Doomsday Dallas]

there is absolutely no question that the 2011 championship, is the most glorious & greatest trophy in all of NBA history.... and always will be.

this is not a matter of opinion.... this is a matter of fact.



It was almost bittersweet in the fact that every Mavericks game since, or any NBA game for that matter, is now pretty much irrelevant. I mean... what's the point? The experience we felt will never be as good as it was when we witnessed that playoff run. Never. That is and will always be the defining moment for our franchise... and maybe for the entire league as well.

That was the year the NBA died... nothing has been the same ever since.

Sure, maybe Luka somehow wins multiple championships... but it will still be damn near impossible for him to write a better storyline than the 2011 season. Winning it all at age 20 wouldn't even come close. (and btw, people often forget that Jason Kidd was a big part of that storyline)

The storyline of Luka becoming the undisputed GOAT 15 or 20 years from now may be somewhat comparable to what happened in 2011, but in terms of a single season... impossible to ever be topped.

[Cold soul]

It

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Definitely one of the greatest playoff runs.

His finals individually? Nah. There's been greater performances.

Dallas beating Miami was one of the greatest moments in NBA history though. A total FU to that cringey Miami squad.

[Keno]

lebron 2016, easily.

[red1]

Based on what?

2011 Dirk
16.6 GMsc
26 ppg 10 rpg 2 apg

Literally EVERY Jordan Finals is a better performance. Including his worst, 1996. And Gamescore doesn’t even take into account defense.

1991 MJ
29.4 GMsc
31 ppg 7 rpg 11 apg
Held Magic predominantly to 43%

1992 MJ
25.8 GMsc
36 ppg 5 rpg 7 apg
Held Drexler to 41%

1993 MJ
29.6 GMsc
41 ppg 9 rpg 6 apg

1996 MJ
18.5 GMsc
27 ppg 5 rpg 4 apg

1997 MJ
23.4 GMsc
32 ppg 7 rpg 6 apg

1998 MJ
21.4 GMsc
34 ppg 4 rpg 2 apg

Dirk wasn’t even the best player on the floor in his absolute best Finals. And literally his best Finals isn’t even better than Mike’s absolute worst. This is just a measure of offensive production too. Dirk couldn’t guard a stationary object and MJ is basically the best defender ever at his position and hounded limiting efficiency for a Mount Rushmore player in Magic and a top five player ever at his position and next best player at his position in the league with Drexler.

This is a joke if this is your actual non trolling stupid Canadian opinion.

:oldlol:
relax kid. it was just a joke meant to trigger your insecure ass and you took the bait like a champ.



I have a lot of respect for dirk. he played at a very high level for a very long time. he carried those mavs teams to good records and playoff runs in a tough conference.

OP is trying to troll lbj stans when he mentions 2011 creating this thread. what does he want to hear it was a choke it was the first year of the heat experiment and lebron choked in the finals. mavs deserved it they were a veteran team and had a great run they beat kobe kd westbrook harden westbrook etc.

[stalkerforlife]

relax kid. it was just a joke meant to trigger your insecure ass and you took the bait like a champ.



I have a lot of respect for dirk. he played at a very high level for a very long time. he carried those mavs teams to good records and playoff runs in a tough conference.

OP is trying to troll lbj stans when he mentions 2011 creating this thread. what does he want to hear it was a choke it was the first year of the heat experiment and lebron choked in the finals. mavs deserved it they were a veteran team and had a great run they beat kobe kd westbrook harden westbrook etc.

Damn, you're insecure, eh?

It was really about Dirk.

But your Bran's choke got you in your feelings.

[red1]

Damn, you're insecure, eh?

It was really about Dirk.

But your Bran's choke got you in your feelings.
insecure?



nah I just effortlessly brushed aside a baldan stan like sweeping up some trash

https://mikesmitty214.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/broom3.jpg

[stalkerforlife]

insecure?



nah I just effortlessly brushed aside a baldan stan like sweeping up some trash

https://mikesmitty214.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/broom3.jpg

Ooh, you got me.

I'm hurt.

Oh wait, I was going for Dirk in that series.

:roll:

[red1]

Ooh, you got me.

I'm hurt.

Oh wait, I was going for Dirk in that series.

:roll:
no worries man Im not trying to hurt you or get you.

Im just stating the fact that the mavs beat the lakers like a $2 dollar hoe. they swept kobe into obscurity.


thats just a fact. whether that offends you or if you like it, thats up to you.

[bigkingsfan]

2016 changed peoples livelihood

Op was so upset he ran away from the forum for a month.

[SpaceJam2]

no worries man Im not trying to hurt you or get you.

Im just stating the fact that the mavs beat the lakers like a $2 dollar hoe. they swept kobe into obscurity.


thats just a fact. whether that offends you or if you like it, thats up to you.

:lol

[Gileraracer]

That broke my heart. My idol Bran, blessed with individual stats but no team success, finally had the team he needed (2 other top 5 players in the league) and still got stomped :(

[red1]

2016 changed peoples livelihood

Op was so upset he ran away from the forum for a month.
yup. 2016 was a seismic shift that forced some posters to abandon their account (egokiller aka straightballin) and forced other posters to renege on bets (sportjames) and other posters went into hibernation hiding in a hole like the rats that they are (ripthekik, phong, gile, etc).




FYI OP I'm a huge fan of the 2011 mavs. dirk and the mavs deserved a ring.


the fact that they swept kobe into oblivion is just icing on the cake. kobe was never the same after 2011. got wrecked again the next year by the thunder.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Wade's implosion makes that ring rather weak

I mean, Miami had no depth, literally the worst role players of all time, a rookie pinoy coach who has proven to be dogshit without lebron, etc. 2011 heat were trash outside of lebron

Wade got jealous because lebron was getting all the attention after carrying miami past chicago and Boston, and so he decided he wanted to be the man at the expense of the team. The rest is history.


Weak ass ring where dirk averaged 23ppg on shit efficiency. Not memorable in the slightest. Not even a top 20 ring all time

[SpaceJam2]

yup. 2016 was a seismic shift that forced some posters to abandon their account (egokiller aka straightballin) and forced other posters to renege on bets (sportjames) and other posters went into hibernation hiding in a hole like the rats that they are (ripthekik, phong, gile, etc).




FYI OP I'm a huge fan of the 2011 mavs. dirk and the mavs deserved a ring.


the fact that they swept kobe into oblivion is just icing on the cake. kobe was never the same after 2011. got wrecked again the next year by the thunder.

:rockon: :rockon:

Changed the NBA landscape for good.

LBJ passed MJ in a landslide honors victory

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8b/d8/1a/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg

[red1]

:rockon: :rockon:

Changed the NBA landscape for good.

LBJ passed MJ in a landslide honors victory

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8b/d8/1a/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d.jpg
nah I might still take MJ not sure yet.





KOBE though - kobe got swept into an early retirement. thats not even disputable.

[Rico2016]

nah I might still take MJ not sure yet.





KOBE though - kobe got swept into an early retirement. thats not even disputable.

+1 agreed

[ImKobe]

[QUOTE=SamuraiSWISH]No. In fact it

[superduper]

That sweep was straight up embarrassing for Phil

[ImKobe]

That sweep was straight up embarrassing for Phil

Kobe was on one leg (and injured his ankle the previous series), Pau got cucked by Shannon Brown and Phil had cancer.

[Bronbron23]

LeBron beat the GOAT team whilst doing this...

https://i.postimg.cc/bJRVtvmy/8bd81a50eb70b4f479f5a77d891c133d-1.jpg

Sorry but nothing Dirk has done in his entire career compares to this
You just proved my point though. The same guy that put up those god like stats was beat by a guy that had way less help.

[Doomsday Dallas]

You just proved my point though. The same guy that put up those god like stats was beat by a guy that had way less help.

exactly... The alleged GOAT got beat on a Super Team by the little Mavericks.

The more you guys keep preaching that Lebron is the GOAT, the more it helps our case that the 2011 title is the greatest championship ever.

[Doomsday Dallas]

I'm actually surprised that the poll results are that decent...

14-22 ..... good to know there are some folks on ISH that recognize what 2011 was all about.

[SamuraiSWISH]

Kobe was on one leg (and injured his ankle the previous series), Pau got cucked by Shannon Brown and Phil had cancer.
:oldlol: all true

[guy]

Not even close. A lot of this talk comes from the fact that Dirk beat the big 3 Heat, not his actual performance. A championship is a championship and Dirk deserves a ton of credit for it, but let

[DMAVS41]

[QUOTE=guy]Not even close. A lot of this talk comes from the fact that Dirk beat the big 3 Heat, not his actual performance. A championship is a championship and Dirk deserves a ton of credit for it, but let

[stalkerforlife]

[/B]

Might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on here.

It's obviously stupid, but you voted no because why?

Makes no sense.

The cowardly Heat that were guaranteed to win by most (Unless they had an agenda) were beaten by a one star team.

What other singular title is more epic?

There simply isn't one.

[DMAVS41]

It's obviously stupid, but you voted no because why?

Makes no sense.

The cowardly Heat that were guaranteed to win by most (Unless they had an agenda) were beaten by a one star team.

What other singular title is more epic?

There simply isn't one.

Because I think other players played at a higher level en route to titles.

In terms of satisfaction combined with improbable or something...sure, I could see that.

[guy]

[/B]

Might be the dumbest thing I've ever seen on here.

Well boo-****ing-hoo. I

[jstern]

It kind of required an GOAT level choke job though.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Because I think other players played at a higher level en route to titles.

In terms of satisfaction combined with improbable or something...sure, I could see that.


Well I think in terms of a storyline... MAVS fan or not.... it's the greatest championship ever.

Jason Kidd comes back to the team that drafted him, We team up with Peja and S.Marion who we had battled against for years, we lose our #2 option in Caron Butler, discover the missing link in Tyson Chandler, Beat Kobe and KD in playoffs, go up against the quote unquote "greatest of all time" in his prime on a Super Team that happens to be the same team that stole our title in 2006.... and it was obviously our last chance at winning a title with Dirk leading the way. There was zero chance of ever being a contender w/ Dirk after 2011. Everything was on the line.

Somebody tell me which team in NBA history has a better story?