Mike Conley was a downgrade from Rubio

[AirBonner]

Jazz struggling lately haven

[Levity]

OP about to be banned in China

[AirBonner]

OP about to be banned in China
Its undeniable at this point. Rubio is just a better floor general which the jazz have needed

[DoctorP]

jazz dont need a floor general they need a guy like steph curry or trae

[AirBonner]

jazz dont need a floor general they need a guy like steph curry or trae
Uh those guys are not common. Rubio at least makes players around him better and he is a proven winner

[DoctorP]

Uh those guys are not common. Rubio at least makes players around him better and he is a proven winner

that has nothing to do w my comment

[AirBonner]

wtf retard
Won with Spain you dumbass

[LoneyROY7]

inb4 Xiao. :lol

[DoctorP]

how old are you kid?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

duh everyone knows this but fans in denial like Xiao who cant accept they let a superior PG go for half the price

[Xiao Yao You]

Uh those guys are not common. Rubio at least makes players around him better and he is a proven winner

He won a lot in Minnesota. :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

You can argue all you want about rather getting Conley was a good move for the Jazz but Rubio had to go! He never made any sense in the first place. You should build around your best player and they finally attempted to that at least. Their best player doesn't shoot the 3 and they already had him paired with another big that couldn't shoot the 3 though he tried. Rubio and Favors spotting up in the corner! That's without even bringing up the Matador's D, his turnovers, the wide open layups missed...:roll:

The Jazz sites are saying they should have got Brogdon who was on their lists in the off season. A lot of guys they could have went after that at least on paper fit like Conley.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

You can argue all you want about rather getting Conley was a good move for the Jazz but Rubio had to go! He never made any sense in the first place. You should build around your best player and they finally attempted to that at least. Their best player doesn't shoot the 3 and they already had him paired with another big that couldn't shoot the 3 though he tried. Rubio and Favors spotting up in the corner! That's without even bringing up the Matador's D, his turnovers, the wide open layups missed...:roll:

The Jazz sites are saying they should have got Brogdon who was on their lists in the off season. A lot of guys they could have went after that at least on paper fit like Conley.

What are u gonna do about that bench?

Jeff Green, Niang, Ed Davis, Exum, Bradley, Mudiay..............

u gotta make some trades

should go after someone like Marvin Williams, Bjelica etc. badly need a big behind Rudy and a spacer too

[Xiao Yao You]

What are u gonna do about that bench?

Jeff Green, Niang, Ed Davis, Exum, Bradley, Mudiay..............

u gotta make some trades

should go after someone like Marvin Williams, Bjelica etc. badly need a big behind Rudy and a spacer too

Once was enough with Marvin. No thanks! Who they going to trade? Someone wants Exum and the 9 million owed to him next year? They are paying Davis the mid level exception for two years behind Gobert already

[insidehoops]

Conley has been confusing all season so far

[MiseryCityTexas]

Never seen the Conley hype. Prime Marc Gasol made him look better than what he actually was.

[brooks_thompson]

Never seen the Conley hype. Prime Marc Gasol made him look better than what he actually was.

False. He was a second-tier point guard for a lot of years, from 2012-2019. His problem was he only learned to play one way from Lionel Hollins and that’s the only way he ever had to play. He was very meek coming into the league until Hollins’ browbeating gave him confidence. I suspect he has reverted to Meek Conley since the change in setting and new teammates. He’s kinda coming around, though, but definitely disappointing.

[MiseryCityTexas]

False. He was a second-tier point guard for a lot of years, from 2012-2019. His problem was he only learned to play one way from Lionel Hollins and that’s the only way he ever had to play. He was very meek coming into the league until Hollins’ browbeating gave him confidence. I suspect he has reverted to Meek Conley since the change in setting and new teammates. He’s kinda coming around, though, but definitely disappointing.

You don't think Gasol's passing out of the post got him many wide open looks from three?

[MiseryCityTexas]

Randolph, and Gasol worked that low post high post offense, and it was easy for Conley to score playing next to them. Hollins worked that old school inside out offense which gave Conley plenty of looks.

[brooks_thompson]

Randolph, and Gasol worked that low post high post offense, and it was easy for Conley to score playing next to them. Hollins worked that old school inside out offense which gave Conley plenty of looks.

Sure but Conley had his best years post-Randolph. No doubt Gasol helped him out with running the offense, but Conley, playing in that offense, was always a solid if unspectacular PG. Like if he was your starting PG, you're not worried about that position because he can go out and compete with the very best every nignt.

Also, there were very few easy looks in that high/low offense because this was pre Marc shooting 3s and their wings were Tony Allen and old Tayshaun ‘18-footer’ Prince (seriously, Prince wouldn’t even space in the corner...he’d sit a good 3 feet inside the corner 3 line). If you saw them live they were navigating some tight, tight spaces to squeeze out just enough points to win. That took some major skill.

[Whoah10115]

Both guys I love.

Conley definitely been the better player.

But even at 29 I think Rubio has an absolute higher ceiling. Still think he can and will (maybe) be an All-NBA player, kinda like Nash..tho I'm not gonna predict that sudden all-time thing.

[Xiao Yao You]

Both guys I love.

Conley definitely been the better player.

But even at 29 I think Rubio has an absolute higher ceiling. Still think he can and will (maybe) be an All-NBA player, kinda like Nash..tho I'm not gonna predict that sudden all-time thing.

Rubio is barely hanging on to a starting job in the NBA. How many teams can have a guy at the 1 that can't shoot?

[Whoah10115]

Rubio is barely hanging on to a starting job in the NBA. How many teams can have a guy at the 1 that can't shoot?

I agree he didn't fit the Jazz, but whether or not you ahree he was one of the major reasons the Jazz did so well in the playoffs two seasons ago.

And he's not barely holding onto a starting spot this season. He's the starter and there's no barely.

[LoneyROY7]

Rubio is barely hanging on to a starting job in the NBA. How many teams can have a guy at the 1 that can't shoot?

Mike Conley is officially no longer hanging onto a starting job.

He was just benched for Royce O'Neale.

:oldlol::oldlol:

[Levity]

Mike Conley is officially no longer hanging onto a starting job.

He was just benched for Royce O'Neale.

:oldlol::oldlol:

lol damn

the $20+ million bench squad starting to fill out nicely:

Conley, Hield, SF, Horford, C


who will claim those final two spots???

stay tuned!

[superduper]

Rubio >>>>>>>> Conley

[Xiao Yao You]

Its undeniable at this point. Rubio is just a better floor general which the jazz have needed

They've had the best offense in the league since they got Clarkson :roll:

With Rubio the offense was mediocre

[bigkingsfan]

Player option, ouch.
2020/21 $34,502,130

[RRR3]

They've had the best offense in the league since they got Clarkson :roll:

Conley has very little to do with that :oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

After telling players that they were making a starting lineup change, by removing Mike Conley Jr. from the starting five, the Utah Jazz have now decided to instead remove Joe Ingles from the starting lineup,

[Xiao Yao You]

He has a lot to do with it because he unlike Rubio has to be guarded

[Xiao Yao You]

Andy Larsen: Quin Snyder, explaining the lineup change: “We’ve got to get back to defending. My decision to put Royce in the lineup is grounded in that, but he can’t do it on his own.” – via Twitter andyblarsen

ABOUT time. Oneale doesn't need the ball like singles either

[Callystarr]

I think the problem has been playing Joe, Mitchell, and Conley together. 3 ball dominant players....its never made sense to me. Joe and Conley should not be on the floor together.

[iamgine]

Mike Conley was supposedly a much superior player to Rubio and a better fit. Turns out he's not, at least not yet.

[Xiao Yao You]

Mike Conley was supposedly a much superior player to Rubio and a better fit. Turns out he's not, at least not yet.

He's certainly a better fit. Their offense went from mediocre to great now that Rubio's defender isn't doubling someone else

[iamgine]

He's certainly a better fit. Their offense went from mediocre to great now that Rubio's defender isn't doubling someone else
Offense has improved, but not by that much. Defense has regressed a lot.

[Xiao Yao You]

Offense went from average to great and the defense went from great to mediocre. Rubio had to go. Never made sense with Gobert

[jayfan]

The offense is not great.
The defense is not good.
Conley has been a disappointment by & large.
The team is incredibly soft. They miss Favors. And probably Crowder, too. Painfully soft. No soul, no grit.
Ingles needs to start at the 1.

[MiseryCityTexas]

mike conley is officially no longer hanging onto a starting job.

He was just benched for royce o'neale.

:oldlol::oldlol:


they benched joe ingles instead. Who's one of the best players on the team.:facepalm

[MiseryCityTexas]

Gasol and randolph's low post, high post offense, and gasol and randolph's pick and roll offense with conley hid mike conley's weaknesses on offense when he played in memphis.

[MiseryCityTexas]

MIKE CONLEY MISSING THAT WIDE OPEN LAYUP IN THE 4TH QUARTER WAS HILARIOUS.:oldlol:

[Xiao Yao You]

The offense has been the best since getting Clarkson. They miss Favors as a back up center. They don't miss him as a starting PF. They miss Crowder's toughness. They don't miss his 8 3 attempts a game. Ingles needs to come off the bench. Needs to figure it out

[Xiao Yao You]

they benched joe ingles instead. Who's one of the best players on the team.:facepalm

but has been sucking and who needs the ball and isn't as good of a defender as O'Neale who doesn't need the ball. Also one of their best players. Ingels was the right choice

[AirBonner]

Jazz just need a Nick Nurse for a coach and they would be all set

[MiseryCityTexas]

Jazz just need TO GET RID OF MIKE CONLEY and they would be all set

FIXED....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaW7WrVpApY

SMFH DUDE IS TRASH.....

[CodeBreaker]

Conley is obviously declining. Not in his prime

[FKAri]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptqKTxWVbpE

:roll:

[jayfan]

but has been sucking and who needs the ball and isn't as good of a defender as O'Neale who doesn't need the ball. Also one of their best players. Ingels was the right choice
Ingles was not the right choice.

They were winning with him starting. They are losing with him subbing.

No further analysis needed.

You run with the lineup that wins you games. Period. Nothing else matters.

[Xiao Yao You]

Ingles was not the right choice.

They were winning with him starting. They are losing with him subbing.

No further analysis needed.

You run with the lineup that wins you games. Period. Nothing else matters.

They were beating bad teams yes. He has subbed one game. Yes they lost against one of the best teams. I thought they looked better last game than they had in the previous 3 despite the loss. O'Neale is the right choice until they get a legitimate NBA starting PF in the off season

[brutalBBQ]

Mike got that 90s vibe like he in the background of the Arrested Development classic Mr Wendell

[GimmeThat]

the Golden State Warriors were the western conference champion last season.

it's just how NBA teams are built based on earnings and profit.

interesting to note, for starters, Gobert and Whiteside are two players with abnormally high rebound to point ratio when factoring age.

their drop from 3rd in FTA to 15th this season is the real killer.

when you have a minus .500 record against teams above .500 and your bench rotation is terrible. It's over.

[ImKobe]

Conley is obviously declining. Not in his prime

We saw it coming, though not to this extent. It's hilarious some people still think there's a case to be had for Conley. We heard the shooting argument coming into the season, because Rubio is clearly better at everything else, but even the 3PT difference isn't big enough this season. Both are below-average scorers at this point but I'm taking the younger guy who still can play at a high level on the defensive side. You also heard the "Jazz are 10 - 4 without Rubio" argument last year but then you look at the games and it's mostly lower-tier teams and with most of them at home. You also look at the Houston series and he was a positive in 3 out of 5 games and he elevated his game in the Playoffs while Gobert was a non-factor while playing less mpg in the series than in the RS while also being a huge negative in 3 out of the 5 games. He was awful & went 0 - 3 with 1 rebound in the 4th quarter of Game 5 while being a -4 in 8 minutes of a close loss. Everyone but Rubio & Crowder struggled in that quarter.

[Xiao Yao You]

We saw it coming, though not to this extent. It's hilarious some people still think there's a case to be had for Conley. We heard the shooting argument coming into the season, because Rubio is clearly better at everything else, but even the 3PT difference isn't big enough this season. Both are below-average scorers at this point but I'm taking the younger guy who still can play at a high level on the defensive side. You also heard the "Jazz are 10 - 4 without Rubio" argument last year but then you look at the games and it's mostly lower-tier teams and with most of them at home. You also look at the Houston series and he was a positive in 3 out of 5 games and he elevated his game in the Playoffs while Gobert was a non-factor while playing less mpg in the series than in the RS while also being a huge negative in 3 out of the 5 games. He was awful & went 0 - 3 with 1 rebound in the 4th quarter of Game 5 while being a -4 in 8 minutes of a close loss. Everyone but Rubio & Crowder struggled in that quarter.

Rubio sucked at defense. He gambled for steals and played behind his man. Lots of turnovers. No one guarded him on the perimeter so they could double elsewhere. Couldn't finish. He is better at flopping! Conley put up 20 a game before the all star break. Hit 5 3's last game. He's got plenty left. Jazz need to figure out how to make it work. Ingles to the bench was a step in the right direction.

[BigShotBob]

Players legitimately barely guard Rubio. Scouting report says to try to turn him into a scorer. You can't guard Conley like that, but he's been in a mini-funk lately which is disappointing but he still hasn't been integrated into the Jazz's offense yet. I think he'd work best as captain of the bench but that's just me.

[imdaman99]

Basketball is becoming positionless. Might as well start your 5 best players and stagger minutes with your stars