Lebron and Anthony Davis current on/off impact

[Hoopz2332]

as of today


https://i.imgur.com/hC1Wt0o.jpg

https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612747&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&PlayerIds=2544,203076

[warriorfan]

LeGarbage time :applause:

[Shogon]

LeGarbage time :applause:

First of all, what? Shut up.




Secondly, OP... you realize it's a stupid stat, right?

Those stats taken at complete face value without any context whatsoever indicate the team is better defensively with both of them off the floor and that they're better defensively without AD playing period. That's incredibly stupid.

[egokiller]

AD getting all the credit for lakers success. :applause:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjHCWdU7F4hkcudy/giphy.gif

[warriorfan]

First of all, what? Shut up.




Secondly, OP... you realize it's a stupid stat, right?

Those stats taken at complete face value without any context whatsoever indicate the team is better defensively with both of them off the floor and that they're better defensively without AD playing period. That's incredibly stupid.

I was referring to how those statistics can be wildly misleading, mainly due to lack of context such as going hard in garbage time.

[warriorfan]

AD getting all the credit for lakers success. :lol

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjHCWdU7F4hkcudy/giphy.gif

:roll: :roll:

[Shogon]

I was referring to how those statistics can be wildly misleading, mainly due to lack of context such as going hard in garbage time.

LeBron hasn't been playing a ton of garbage time, that's why I was like wtf are you talking about?

I don't care what the score is, the first 3 quarters are never garbage time... and in the 4th, if they're leading big, he's sitting on the bench.

[Shogon]

AD getting all the credit for lakers success. :applause:

The only people giving AD all of the credit for the Lakers success are liars, much in the same way people giving LeBron all of the credit for the Lakers success are also liars.

But the only people melting down over the Lakers winning are long time LeBron haters. Nobody cares about AD except people who actually like basketball, which are few and far between, even on this board.

[egokiller]

The only people giving AD all of the credit for the Lakers success are liars, much in the same way people giving LeBron all of the credit for the Lakers success are also liars.

But the only people melting down over the Lakers winning are long time LeBron haters. Nobody cares about AD except people who actually like basketball, which are few and far between, even on this board.

You're buying into fake news. Roughly 47% of laker fans do not want Lebron in LA. They all however want AD to stay:

https://brobible.com/sports/article/lebron-james-los-angeles-lakers-trade-first-take-twitter-poll/

[Shogon]

You're buying into fake news. No laker fan wants Lebron in LA. They all however want AD to stay:

https://brobible.com/sports/article/lebron-james-los-angeles-lakers-trade-first-take-twitter-poll/

Yeah and according to you nobody that's a Cavs fan wanted LeBron in Cleveland... which is one of the most absurd things ever uttered on this board.

Dude, you are just completely dishonest with all things LeBron. That's just how it is. You know it, I know it, the entire board knows it. Whatever.

[red1]

AD is such a beast. kid is extremely talented.

[red1]

You're buying into fake news. Roughly 47% of laker fans do not want Lebron in LA. They all however want AD to stay:

https://brobible.com/sports/article/lebron-james-los-angeles-lakers-trade-first-take-twitter-poll/
shut up bitch. go back to your main account that you got clowned off of.



you literally ditched your account after the cavs came back, Ive never seen anything so embarrassing in my life :roll: :roll: :roll:

[egokiller]

Yeah and according to you nobody that's a Cavs fan wanted LeBron in Cleveland... which is one of the most absurd things ever uttered on this board.

Dude, you are just completely dishonest with all things LeBron. That's just how it is. You know it, I know it, the entire board knows it. Whatever.

The mistake in your assessment is that every person on this board who is also in Cleveland echoed everything I said. Don't take our words for it, go check out a cavs forum. :applause:

[SpaceJam2]

Uh so the team is WAY better without AD on

Are people dumb and cant read?

DegRtg = lower is better
OffRtg = higher is better

[egokiller]

shut up bitch. go back to your main account that you got clowned off of.



you literally ditched your account after the cavs came back, Ive never seen anything so embarrassing in my life :roll: :roll: :roll:

This shit again? We've already gone over your delusions baby boy. Can't ditch something I never had. Now go cry over the facts, which are roughly 47% want him out of LA. Keep pretending that mural didn't get vandalized twice. Whatever you need to tell yourself.

[SpaceJam2]

shut up bitch. go back to your main account that you got clowned off of.



you literally ditched your account after the cavs came back, Ive never seen anything so embarrassing in my life :roll: :roll: :roll:


Body bag

:lol.:lol

[ImKobe]

Those stats taken at complete face value without any context whatsoever indicate the team is better defensively with both of them off the floor and that they're better defensively without AD playing period. That's incredibly stupid.

:roll: :roll: That's the best part. Lakers apparently are the '04 Pistons on defense without either. Why do we need them?

[red1]

This shit again? We've already gone over your delusions baby boy. Can't ditch something I never had.
its a small world dude.


one of these days Im going be the guy in the airplane seat behind you when you start mouthing off talking shit, saying 3 for 9 this, or ray allen that, to the random person in the seat beside you.


Im warning you right now that I will beat the living dogshit out of you, will have you spitting pissing and shitting blood when that day comes.




you have been warned straight_ballin.

[MaxPlayer]

First of all, what? Shut up.




Secondly, OP... you realize it's a stupid stat, right?

Those stats taken at complete face value without any context whatsoever indicate the team is better defensively with both of them off the floor and that they're better defensively without AD playing period. That's incredibly stupid.

I mean, I don't see how it's a "stupid stat" considering that that winner of a basketball game is determined by which team scores the most points.

The reason that the defensive rating is better with both players off the court is almost certainly because the opponents' best players are also off the court during those times.

[egokiller]

its a small world dude.


one of these days Im going be the guy on the airplane seat behind you when you start mouthing off talking shit, saying 3 for 9 this, or ray allen that, to the random person in the seat beside you.


Im warning you right now that I will beat the living dogshit out of you have you spitting and shitting blood when that day comes.




you have been warned straight_ballin.

The only thing that would happen if you are sitting behind me on the plane is you bitching about some random nonsense like how you wished Lebron wasn't a 6 time loser or some shit. :roll:

That's about the time I put my seat all the way back. The end result is you sitting there like a helpless lil bitch whining about no leg room and not being able to do a damn thing about it while I lay back and put my head phones in. The flight ends with you apologizing to me for questioning anything I've ever said on here. You know it. I know it. ISH knows it. :applause:

[red1]

The only thing that would happen if you are sitting behind me on the plane is you bitching about some random nonsense like how you wished Lebron wasn't a 6 time loser or some shit. :roll:

That's about the time I put my seat all the way back. The end result is you sitting there like a helpless lil bitch whining about no leg room and not being able to do a damn thing about it while I lay back and put my head phones in. The flight ends with you apologizing to me for questioning anything I've ever said on here. You know it. I know it. ISH knows it. :applause:
literally didn't even read your post.



just going to say it again - shut up bitch, go back to your main account. :oldlol: :roll:

[egokiller]

literally didn't even read your post.



just going to say it again - shut up bitch, go back to your main account. :oldlol: :roll:

:sleeping Can't go back to a main I never had. Keep bitching about it. :lol

[Hoopz2332]

First of all, what? Shut up.




Secondly, OP... you realize it's a stupid stat, right?

Those stats taken at complete face value without any context whatsoever indicate the team is better defensively with both of them off the floor and that they're better defensively without AD playing period. That's incredibly stupid.


The context is the TIME. Obviously, Lebron and Davis is hardly ever OUT at the SAME TIME, which means, that time when they're off together is mainly a blowout when the bench is in vs scrubs

[ImKobe]

I mean, I don't see how it's a "stupid stat" considering that that winner of a basketball game is determined by which team scores the most points.

The reason that the defensive rating is better with both players off the court is almost certainly because the opponents' best players are also off the court during those times.

Guess what, if you watch Laker games, AD stays on the court in the first quarter against other starters while James rests. AD goes to the bench at the end of the first and James comes out there against the other team's 2nd unit to start the 2nd. That's usually how it goes and it might be similar in the 2nd half, depending on the game.

[red1]

join date: july 2016 :roll: :roll: :roll:




couldnt even stay away a month could you? just to come back and get shit on again? :oldlol:

[Trollsmasher]

AD holding the team back right now:facepalm

gotta up his game

[Hoopz2332]

Guess what, if you watch Laker games, AD stays on the court in the first quarter against other starters while James rests. AD goes to the bench at the end of the first and James comes out there against the other team's 2nd unit to start the 2nd. That's usually how it goes and it might be similar in the 2nd half, depending on the game.

lebron plays the majority of the 1st qrt; so there's really no difference because AD ends up playing against the other team's bench (no team runs there entire starting lineup for all 12 minutes of each qtr) for the same short spurt in the 2nd qtr. This plays out the same in the 3rd and 4th, for the mot part

[Hoopz2332]

I mean, I don't see how it's a "stupid stat" considering that that winner of a basketball game is determined by which team scores the most points.

The reason that the defensive rating is better with both players off the court is almost certainly because the opponents' best players are also off the court during those times.


exactly

lebron and AD are NEVER out at the SAME TIME unless it's a blowout/foul trouble

[Hoopz2332]

this chart/graph was made around the time the lakers played the thunder the 2nd time

https://i.imgur.com/PSdwPhj.png


almost everyone was a - w/o lebron on the floor with them

[ImKobe]

lebron plays the majority of the 1st qrt; so there's really no difference because AD ends up playing against the other team's bench (no team runs there entire starting lineup for all 12 minutes of each qtr) for the same short spurt in the 2nd qtr. This plays out the same in the 3rd and 4th, for the mot part

A lot of teams still play their starters through almost the entire 1st quarter with maybe 1-2 subs, Lebron usually plays about 8 minutes of the 1st so a lot of those minutes you see there are AD playing against the other team's best while James rests, AD usually returns in the 2nd when all starters are back in the game, he definitely sees little to no minutes against the bench guys in comparison to James and those minutes add up.

Obviously you have different kind of games and teams run different rotations, but it's mostly what I've seen out there with Lebron since Game 1. These things play into the statistic and are hugely mis-leading, as is the one which says they're even better on defense without either in the game.

[SpaceJam2]

literally didn't even read your post.



just going to say it again - shut up bitch, go back to your main account. :oldlol: :roll:

Imagine being such a bitch you have to abandon your old account because LeBron won a chip :lol

[SpaceJam2]

join date: july 2016 :roll: :roll: :roll:




couldnt even stay away a month could you? just to come back and get shit on again? :oldlol:

:lebronamazed:


Poor lil fella was shook to his core because of the GOAT chip

Straight Shooketh

[SpaceJam2]

this chart/graph was made around the time the lakers played the thunder the 2nd time

https://i.imgur.com/PSdwPhj.png


almost everyone was a - w/o lebron on the floor with them

There is a reason AD has 1 playoff series win and LeBron has 35 :lol

[red1]

egokiller aka straight_ballin = straight up bitch :roll::roll::roll:

[stalkerforlife]

This is how simple Bransvestites are.

They WANT Bran's team to suffer without him, which is absolutely a pathetic losing style. (Only overcame by super teams and NBA manipulation)

Bran is taken out early in the first EVERY GAME to ensure he's inserted early in the second against BENCH players; they do this to pad his stats and create a LeNarrative.

Aficionados aren't fooled.

[SpaceJam2]

egokiller aka straight_ballin = straight up bitch :roll::roll::roll:

Seriously, how much of a bitch do you have to be to change your internet persona because another man won a ring?

:roll: :lol

[warriorfan]

https://i.postimg.cc/JhVBJdHk/280-F87-C4-99-C8-45-C8-AE9-F-A5-C1-F419-BB78.jpg

[ShawkFactory]

This is how simple Bransvestites are.

They WANT Bran's team to suffer without him, which is absolutely a pathetic losing style. (Only overcame by super teams and NBA manipulation)

Bran is taken out early in the first EVERY GAME to ensure he's inserted early in the second against BENCH players; they do this to pad his stats and create a LeNarrative.

Aficionados aren't fooled.
:roll:

Imagine being so shook (or just such a cringey weirdo) that you

[egokiller]

Are these bitches still crying about lebron's 6 finals losses?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[SpaceJam2]

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]:roll:

Imagine being so shook (or just such a cringey weirdo) that you

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=ShawkFactory]:roll:

Imagine being so shook (or just such a cringey weirdo) that you

[egokiller]

https://i.postimg.cc/JhVBJdHk/280-F87-C4-99-C8-45-C8-AE9-F-A5-C1-F419-BB78.jpg

The saddest part is that is just one of his accounts. I know he wants to help out the family business and generate hits, but at some point you got to see the sunlight and have a life of your own. This cat is getting straight abused by his own fam. :lol

[SpaceJam2]

https://i.postimg.cc/JhVBJdHk/280-F87-C4-99-C8-45-C8-AE9-F-A5-C1-F419-BB78.jpg

WarriorTears :lol

I guess the 0 FMVP Curry repost really got to him. No more stake outs :(

Imagine melting this hard because of this post from 2015...

https://i.postimg.cc/J4QCJF1S/WarriorFanFail.png

Link to laughable thread:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=379867

It's just too good.

[And1AllDay]

as of today


https://i.imgur.com/hC1Wt0o.jpg

https://www.pbpstats.com/wowy-combos/nba?TeamId=1610612747&Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%2BSeason&PlayerIds=2544,203076
LeFam stay winning

[And1AllDay]

WarriorTears

I guess the 0 FMVP Curry repost really got to him. No more stake outs :(

Imagine melting this hard because of this post from 2015...

https://i.postimg.cc/J4QCJF1S/WarriorFanFail.png

Link to laughable thread:
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=379867

It's just too good.

Is this real? :wtf:

[3ball]

.
AD's net rating is higher against the good teams (-9) than Lebron's (-86):



Net Rating

2/23 vs BOS... -2.2 AD... -2.7 Lebron

2/12 vs DEN... +4.6 AD... -1.9 Lebron

2/6 vs. HOU... -6.1 AD... -5.0 Lebron

1/25 vs PHI... -10.8 AD... -29.7 Lebron

1/20 vs BOS... -52.2 AD... -35.6 Lebron

12/25 vs LAC... -13.3 AD... +2.5 Lebron

12/19 vs MIL... +8.1 AD... -24.3 Lebron

12/13 vs MIA... +15.1 AD... +11.3 Lebron

12/3 vs DEN... +13.9 AD... +1.2 Lebron

11/10 vs TOR... -7.5 AD... -9.5 Lebron

11/8 vs MIA... +37.0 AD... +20.6 Lebron

10/25 vs LAC... +3.8 AD... -10.5 Lebron


https://stats.nba.com/player/203076/boxscores-advanced/
https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/boxscores-advanced/



So AD is the key against good teams where the Lakers are forced to do more than play LeDribble-ball

[SpaceJam2]

Bron +12 with no AD
AD -3 with no Bron

:lol
We win again

:dancin

[ELITEpower23]

How do we feel about this?

[ELITEpower23]

LeBron the offensive catalyst like always, Szn 17, nothing new:

https://imgbbb.com/images/2020/06/03/On-Off-ad-lbj.png

[Duncan21formvp]

Anthony Davis. As Lebron missed the playoffs out west while Davis got to the WCF on his own.

[light]

https://s7.gifyu.com/images/Bron-AD-On-Off.png

LeBron is +10.8
Davis is -2.7

The Lakers offense is 5.7 points better with LeBron.
The Lakers offense is 1.0 points worse with Davis.

The Lakers defense is 5.0 points better with LeBron.
The Lakers defense is 1.7 points worse with AD.

LeBron James is your 2019-20 NBA MVP.

[Shooter]

https://s7.gifyu.com/images/Bron-AD-On-Off.png

LeBron is +10.8
Davis is -2.7

The Lakers offense is 5.7 points better with LeBron.
The Lakers offense is 1.0 points worse with Davis.

The Lakers defense is 5.0 points better with LeBron.
The Lakers defense is 1.7 points worse with AD.

LeBron James is your 2019-20 NBA MVP.

Bingo, we just stay winning.

[Whoah10115]

I actually really like how LeBron has played this season. Should have been this way most of his career.

He's pushing the ball, getting rid of it early. Yeah, opposing defense looked terrible, but that cut back bounce pass to McGee was exceptional.

[KD7]

Why are the Lakers defense so dogshit with Mr "DPOY" AD when LeBron is off?

Lakers literally look like the Mike D'antoni Phoenix Suns on defense whenever Bron goes to the bench :lol

[KD7]

https://s7.gifyu.com/images/Bron-AD-On-Off.png

LeBron is +10.8
Davis is -2.7

The Lakers offense is 5.7 points better with LeBron.
The Lakers offense is 1.0 points worse with Davis.

The Lakers defense is 5.0 points better with LeBron.
The Lakers defense is 1.7 points worse with AD.

LeBron James is your 2019-20 NBA MVP.
:bowdown::bowdown:

[tpols]

.
AD's net rating is higher against the good teams (-9) than Lebron's (-86):



Net Rating

2/23 vs BOS... -2.2 AD... -2.7 Lebron

2/12 vs DEN... +4.6 AD... -1.9 Lebron

2/6 vs. HOU... -6.1 AD... -5.0 Lebron

1/25 vs PHI... -10.8 AD... -29.7 Lebron

1/20 vs BOS... -52.2 AD... -35.6 Lebron

12/25 vs LAC... -13.3 AD... +2.5 Lebron

12/19 vs MIL... +8.1 AD... -24.3 Lebron

12/13 vs MIA... +15.1 AD... +11.3 Lebron

12/3 vs DEN... +13.9 AD... +1.2 Lebron

11/10 vs TOR... -7.5 AD... -9.5 Lebron

11/8 vs MIA... +37.0 AD... +20.6 Lebron

10/25 vs LAC... +3.8 AD... -10.5 Lebron


https://stats.nba.com/player/203076/boxscores-advanced/
https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/boxscores-advanced/



So AD is the key against good teams where the Lakers are forced to do more than play LeDribble-ball

Wow... that is incredible.

I think it's obvious Lebron is the better "one man army" general who can enhance role players / carry the pack, while AD is the superior individual threat ala Durant or something. His scoring for sure is more dominant and effortless, which is most likely why he did so much better against the best competition.

[Stanley Kobrick]

https://s7.gifyu.com/images/Bron-AD-On-Off.png

LeBron is +10.8
Davis is -2.7

The Lakers offense is 5.7 points better with LeBron.
The Lakers offense is 1.0 points worse with Davis.

The Lakers defense is 5.0 points better with LeBron.
The Lakers defense is 1.7 points worse with AD.

LeBron James is your 2019-20 NBA MVP.
very interesting

[Shooter]

https://s7.gifyu.com/images/Bron-AD-On-Off.png

LeBron is +10.8
Davis is -2.7

The Lakers offense is 5.7 points better with LeBron.
The Lakers offense is 1.0 points worse with Davis.

The Lakers defense is 5.0 points better with LeBron.
The Lakers defense is 1.7 points worse with AD.

LeBron James is your 2019-20 NBA MVP.

M
V
P

We did it again

:lebronamazed:

[ImKobe]

M
V
P

We did it again

:lebronamazed:

Except there's this guy called Giannis, and his team's defense alone is 8 points better when he's on the court, and his numbers are far better than Lebron's, and his team is 9 - 1 without his 2nd option, and his 2nd option is a scrub compared to AD. Giannis leads the Bucks in ppg, rpg, apg, PER, WS/48, BPM & VORP. AD leads the Lakers in ppg, rpg, spg, bpg, PER & WS/48. There's literally no argument for Lebron. Giannis' per 36 averages are 35/16/7 lol.

[LAmbruh]

https://s7.gifyu.com/images/Bron-AD-On-Off.png

LeBron is +10.8
Davis is -2.7

The Lakers offense is 5.7 points better with LeBron.
The Lakers offense is 1.0 points worse with Davis.

The Lakers defense is 5.0 points better with LeBron.
The Lakers defense is 1.7 points worse with AD.

LeBron James is your 2019-20 NBA MVP.

L-L-L-L-Landslide victory once again


LeMVP and FLOURISHING :banana:

[ImKobe]

L-L-L-L-Landslide victory once again


LeMVP and FLOURISHING :banana:


Net Rating 2020 RS


1. Giannis Antetokounmpo 16.1
2. Donte DiVincenzo 13.9
3. Khris Middleton 13.8
4. Eric Bledsoe 13.3
5. Brook Lopez 12.4
6. Wesley Matthews 12.0
7. George Hill 11.5
8. Kawhi Leonard 11.4
9. Alex Caruso 10.3
10. LeBron James 10.3

[LAmbruh]

M
V
P

We did it again

:lebronamazed:

YES

WE

DID


LLLLLLLAKERSSSSSSS


https://media.giphy.com/media/L4eiv18RmXFd6nnb4S/giphy.gif

[TheCorporation]

YES

WE

DID


LLLLLLLAKERSSSSSSS


https://media.giphy.com/media/L4eiv18RmXFd6nnb4S/giphy.gif

League's best on/off

Another MVP

LeBron Raymone. Thank you thank you thank you

[TheCorporation]

Right before Jazz slaughter

https://i.postimg.cc/QtRMScFM/on-off.png

Szn 17

Still King of the Jungle

https://i.postimg.cc/g07ck3qK/lion-in-jungle.jpg