Is a decently high number of overall assists impressive...

[superduper]

...if you are the all time leader of turnovers in the history of the sport of basketball?

Discuss...

[RRR3]

The meltdown continues.

[superduper]

The meltdown continues.
Is anything incorrect from what is stated so far in this thread?

Thank you.

[AirTupac]

I post on Insidehoops




:roll: :roll: :roll:

[egokiller]

...if you are the all time leader of turnovers in the history of the sport of basketball?

Discuss...

No, because they essentially cancel each other out. This is why stans look like fucc bois when they talk about assists without mentioning turnovers.

[superduper]

No, because they essentially cancel each other out. This is why stans look like fucc bois when they talk about assists without mentioning turnovers.

And those same Brantards try to discredit points with missed shots but fail to see the correlation of stats that compare making passes to missing passes.

Honestly, you cannot make Brantardation up.

[MaxPlayer]

Career Assist/Turnover Ratio:

Kobe: 1.57
Jordan: 1.96
Lebron: 2.09

Next

[RRR3]

Career Assist/Turnover Ratio:

Kobe: 1.57
Jordan: 1.96
Lebron: 2.09

Next
Damn. OP bodybagged.

[ShawkFactory]

And those same Brantards try to discredit points with missed shots but fail to see the correlation of stats that compare making passes to missing passes.

Honestly, you cannot make Brantardation up.
You want to do some research and find out what percentage of his turnovers are made up of

[Smoke117]

Why don't you take a break from Bran for awhile and go make a sandwich or something?

[Trollsmasher]

Career Assist/Turnover Ratio:

Kobe: 1.57
Jordan: 1.96
Lebron: 2.09

Next
ouch:lol

[RRR3]

Why don't you take a break from Bran for awhile and go make a sandwich or something?
He can’t. He’s psychotically obsessed with LeBron.

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=RRR3]He can

[Uncle Drew]

Career Assist/Turnover Ratio:

Kobe: 1.57
Jordan: 1.96
Lebron: 2.09

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Tough loss for superduper.

[ImKobe]

Career Assist/Turnover Ratio:

Kobe: 1.57
Jordan: 1.96
Lebron: 2.09

Next

What does this have to do with anything? Lebron is supposed to be Magic Johnson, yet his AST-TO ratio is hardly better than that of a SG? Magic's is 2.87, Stockton's is 3.75, Chris Paul's is 4. Lebron has basically the same AST-TO ratio as Westbrook :lol . That's not very impressive for the supposed best playmaker in the league.

[superduper]

What does this have to do with anything? Lebron is supposed to be Magic Johnson, yet his AST-TO ratio is hardly better than that of a SG? Magic's is 2.87, Stockton's is 3.75, Chris Paul's is 4. Lebron has basically the same AST-TO ratio as Westbrook :lol . That's not very impressive for the supposed best playmaker in the league.

BOOM :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Dray n Klay]

What does this have to do with anything? Lebron is supposed to be Magic Johnson, yet his AST-TO ratio is hardly better than that of a SG? Magic's is 2.87, Stockton's is 3.75, Chris Paul's is 4. Lebron has basically the same AST-TO ratio as Westbrook :lol . That's not very impressive for the supposed best playmaker in the league.

LeBron has more combined points + assists than any of the players you mentioned


Why does Kobe have the most missed shots but not even close to the most points? :lol

[RRR3]

What does this have to do with anything? Lebron is supposed to be Magic Johnson, yet his AST-TO ratio is hardly better than that of a SG? Magic's is 2.87, Stockton's is 3.75, Chris Paul's is 4. Lebron has basically the same AST-TO ratio as Westbrook :lol . That's not very impressive for the supposed best playmaker in the league.
Quiet, bub. You claimed Kobe was the GOAT playmaking SG and his assist to turnover ratio is mediocre at best.

[Uncle Drew]

1.57 is actually godawful. Not even I thought a borderline top 15 player was capable of doing so bad.

[MaxPlayer]

What does this have to do with anything? Lebron is supposed to be Magic Johnson, yet his AST-TO ratio is hardly better than that of a SG? Magic's is 2.87, Stockton's is 3.75, Chris Paul's is 4. Lebron has basically the same AST-TO ratio as Westbrook :lol . That's not very impressive for the supposed best playmaker in the league.

Now compare his scoring to those players. I'll wait.

[egokiller]

What does this have to do with anything? Lebron is supposed to be Magic Johnson, yet his AST-TO ratio is hardly better than that of a SG? Magic's is 2.87, Stockton's is 3.75, Chris Paul's is 4. Lebron has basically the same AST-TO ratio as Westbrook :lol . That's not very impressive for the supposed best playmaker in the league.

How the fvck did he manage to have a lower AST-TO than Magic considering he plays against more relaxed, less physical defenses and more spacing enabling easier passing and therefore higher % of not having a turn over as a result of the rule difference. What a joke. :lol

[Trollsmasher]

What does this have to do with anything? Lebron is supposed to be Magic Johnson, yet his AST-TO ratio is hardly better than that of a SG? Magic's is 2.87, Stockton's is 3.75, Chris Paul's is 4. Lebron has basically the same AST-TO ratio as Westbrook :lol . That's not very impressive for the supposed best playmaker in the league.
accounting for all points produced (rough estimate used for an average assist going either to a two pointer or three pointer according to the era)

CP 17,7 points per turnover:bowdown:
LeBron 13
Stockton 12.2
Magic 10,7

[RRR3]

1.57 is actually godawful. Not even I thought a borderline top 15 player was capable of doing so bad.
I was trying to be polite, but yeah it certainly isn’t good. Turnoverbe

[ImKobe]

LeBron has more combined points + assists than any of the players you mentioned


Why does Kobe have the most missed shots but not even close to the most points? :lol

Let's compare the two. Kobe has the most missed shots yet is 3rd all-time in scoring and only 5k points off Kareem. Lebron is 2nd all-time in turnovers with 277 off Karl Malone. He's already 3 turnovers ahead of Stockton yet is 10th all-time in assists with 8,908 to Stockton's 15,806.

[superduper]

Let's compare the two. Kobe has the most missed shots yet is 3rd all-time in scoring and only 5k points off Kareem. Lebron is 2nd all-time in turnovers with 277 off Karl Malone. He's already 3 turnovers ahead of Stockton yet is 10th all-time in assists with 8,908 to Stockton's 15,806.

They're in trouble now :eek:

[RRR3]

Let's compare the two. Kobe has the most missed shots yet is 3rd all-time in scoring and only 5k points off Kareem. Lebron is 2nd all-time in turnovers with 277 off Karl Malone. He's already 3 turnovers ahead of Stockton yet is 10th all-time in assists with 8,908 to Stockton's 15,806.
LeBron passes more than Kobe, you blockhead.

1.57.

[Smoke117]

Quiet, bub. You claimed Kobe was the GOAT playmaking SG and his assist to turnover ratio is mediocre at best.

LOL did he really say that?

[RRR3]

LOL did he really say that?
He said Kobe was the GOAT period in another thread. His lust for Kobe knows no bounds.

[Smoke117]

Let's compare the two. Kobe has the most missed shots yet is 3rd all-time in scoring and only 5k points off Kareem. Lebron is 2nd all-time in turnovers with 277 off Karl Malone. He's already 3 turnovers ahead of Stockton yet is 10th all-time in assists with 8,908 to Stockton's 15,806.

I don't know why you keep bringing up Stockton who averaged less than half the points LeBron does. Obviously a player doesn't just turn the ball over passing. If Stockton had to also score 27ppg his turnovers would obviously be significantly higher.

[MaxPlayer]

Let's compare the two. Kobe has the most missed shots yet is 3rd all-time in scoring and only 5k points off Kareem. Lebron is 2nd all-time in turnovers with 277 off Karl Malone. He's already 3 turnovers ahead of Stockton yet is 10th all-time in assists with 8,908 to Stockton's 15,806.

2P FG%:
Lebron: .548
Kobe: .479

3P FG%:
Lebron: .343
Kobe: .329

PPG:
Lebron: 27.1
Kobe: 25.0

APG:
Lebron: 7.3
Kobe: 4.7

A/TO Ratio:
Lebron: 2.09
Kobe: 1.57

Kobe's better at... free throws, I guess

[ImKobe]

LeBron passes more than Kobe, you blockhead.

1.57.

So why are you comparing Lebron's passing to Kobe's? This thread is about Lebron's assist and turnover numbers. Bron has been the point guard all his career but his assist numbers don't stack up with the best, he's a taller Russell Westbrook with a 3-point shot.

[RRR3]

2P FG%:
Lebron: .548
Kobe: .479

3P FG%:
Lebron: .343
Kobe: .329

PPG:
Lebron: 27.1
Kobe: 25.0

APG:
Lebron: 7.3
Kobe: 4.7

A/TO Ratio:
Lebron: 2.09
Kobe: 1.57

Kobe's better at... free throws, I guess
Good god.

And let

[ImKobe]

Since you guys want to compare Kobe and Lebron AST-TO ratios, let's look at their title runs

AST-TO

Lebron: 2012 - 1.6; 2013 - 2.2; 2016 - 2.1

Kobe : 2000 - 1.8; 2001 - 1.9; 2002 - 1.6; 2009 - 2.1; 2010 - 1.6

Lebron is supposed to be some all-time great playmaker :facepalm

But keep deflecting OP's points when Lebron's AST-TO ratio is on par with Westbrook's as a point guard.

[ShawkFactory]

So why are you comparing Lebron's passing to Kobe's? This thread is about Lebron's assist and turnover numbers. Bron has been the point guard all his career but his assist numbers don't stack up with the best, he's a taller Russell Westbrook with a 3-point shot.
Are we trying to say that a taller Westbrook who can shoot ISN

[ImKobe]

Are we trying to say that a taller Westbrook who can shoot ISN’T a scarily dominant player? :lol

yes

[ShawkFactory]

yes
Jesus :lol

[ShawkFactory]

I don't know why you keep bringing up Stockton who averaged less than half the points LeBron did. Obviously a player doesn't just turn the ball over passing. If Stockton had to also score 27ppg his turnovers would obviously be significantly higher.
This is the second time ITT that this point has been ignored.

[RRR3]

Jesus :lol
ImRetarded strikes again :bowdown:

[ImKobe]

This is the second time ITT that this point has been ignored.

Refs don't call offensive fouls or travels on Lebron, so that doesn't really apply in this instance.

[MaxPlayer]

Since you guys want to compare Kobe and Lebron AST-TO ratios, let's look at their title runs

AST-TO

Lebron: 2012 - 1.6; 2013 - 2.2; 2016 - 2.1

Kobe : 2000 - 1.8; 2001 - 1.9; 2002 - 1.6; 2009 - 2.1; 2010 - 1.6

Lebron is supposed to be some all-time great playmaker :facepalm

But keep deflecting OP's points when Lebron's AST-TO ratio is on par with Westbrook's as a point guard.

Not sure what the point of those numbers are. Even in the sample you've selected, Lebron is better.

And are you saying that Kobe, the scorer supreme, got outscored throughout his career by a POINT GUARD? He at least managed to out-rebound him, right? Right???

[Smoke117]

Refs don't call offensive fouls or travels on Lebron, so that doesn't really apply in this instance.

LeBron has never lost the ball dribbling or had it stolen from him in his entire career? Damn that's impressive.

[ShawkFactory]

Refs don't call offensive fouls or travels on Lebron, so that doesn't really apply in this instance.
He gets away with plenty. But one offensive foul OR travel called a game is over 30% of his total turnovers.

And this doesn

[ImKobe]

Not sure what the point of those numbers are. Even in the sample you've selected, Lebron is better.

And are you saying that Kobe, the scorer supreme, got outscored throughout his career by a POINT GUARD? He at least managed to out-rebound him, right? Right???

How is he better when they're both around 2? Kobe has more runs but you take his 3 best and they're on par with Lebron's 3.

[MaxPlayer]

Refs don't call offensive fouls or travels on Lebron, so that doesn't really apply in this instance.

ITT:

A: "Lebron's stats suck"

B: "Actually they're better than Kobe's"

A: "DAMN U REFS!!"

[RRR3]

LeBron has never lost the ball dribbling or had it stolen from him in his entire career? Damn that's impressive.
LeBeast :eek:

[ImKobe]

He gets away with plenty. But one offensive foul OR travel called a game is over 30% of his total turnovers.

And this doesn’t include other things that can happen when you attack scoring, particularly in the paint (strips, mishandle, lost ball in general).

But which is more likely to happen - losing the ball as you drive to the hoop or making a bad pass? Especially with today's rules and with how the refs treat Lebron?

[AirBonner]

How about having the most assists?



While having the most points, most rebounds, and the most blocks on the biggest stage?

[RRR3]

But which is more likely to happen - losing the ball as you drive to the hoop or making a bad pass? Especially with today's rules and with how the refs treat Lebron?
LeBron gets a whopping 5.5 FTA/g.


Refs doe

[ShawkFactory]

But which is more likely to happen - losing the ball as you drive to the hoop or making a bad pass? Especially with today's rules and with how the refs treat Lebron?
Lebrons handles and footwork have never been a strength, as you know. He turns it over plenty just from that alone.

Given his strengths and actually watching who he is as a player, I

[ImKobe]

LeBron gets a whopping 5.5 FTA/g.


Refs doe

We're talking his whole career, not just the 20 games this season.


Lebrons handles and footwork have never been a strength, as you know. He turns it over plenty just from that alone.

Given his strengths and actually watching who he is as a player, I’d say he’s more likely to flub one off his leg or be stripped than make an errant pass.

He threads the needle a lot. Either way I'm sure Stockton lost his fair share of balls due to defenders being allowed to hand-check on the perimeter.

[Uncle Drew]

ITT:

A: "Lebron's stats suck"

B: "Actually they're better than Kobe's"

A: "DAMN U REFS!!"
:roll:

ImKobe the forum clown.

[Ainosterhaspie]

LeBron has generated 11.98 points for every turnover. Formula is (points + (assists x 2)

[superduper]

[QUOTE=Ainosterhaspie]LeBron has generated 11.98 points for every turnover. Formula is (points + (assists x 2)

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=Ainosterhaspie]LeBron has generated 11.98 points for every turnover. Formula is (points + (assists x 2)

[ImKobe]

[QUOTE=Ainosterhaspie]LeBron has generated 11.98 points for every turnover. Formula is (points + (assists x 2)

[AirBonner]

So Bran is truly closer to Kobe than he is to Jordan.

No one who is remotely educated in the game of basketball is shocked.
If that was the only measurement of a player :rolleyes:

[RRR3]

We're talking his whole career, not just the 20 games this season.



He threads the needle a lot. Either way I'm sure Stockton lost his fair share of balls due to defenders being allowed to hand-check on the perimeter.
8.0 FTA/G for his career and he constantly attacks the paint. Kobe? 7.4 and he was a jump shooter.


Refbe

[egokiller]

So Bran is truly closer to Kobe than he is to Jordan.

No one who is remotely educated in the game of basketball is shocked.

MJ is on a completely different level than anyone who has ever touched a ball.

[AirBonner]

MJ is on a completely different level than anyone who has ever touched a ball.
This is coming from someone who has never had his balls touched :lol

[ImKobe]

8.0 FTA/G for his career and he constantly attacks the paint. Kobe? 7.4 and he was a jump shooter.


Refbe

Take into account that Kobe often pump-faked and tried to draw contact on his jump shots.

[RRR3]

Take into account that Kobe often pump-faked and tried to draw contact on his jump shots.
Yeah, LeBron has never tried to draw contact in his life.

[ImKobe]

Yeah, LeBron has never tried to draw contact in his life.

Not with defenses sagging off him and daring him to shoot the jumper for the majority of his career.

[RRR3]

Not with defenses sagging off him and daring him to shoot the jumper for the majority of his career.
:facepalm



You’re so stupid it’s incredible.

You can draw contact on drives to the hoop too you retard.

[Ainosterhaspie]

[QUOTE=Ainosterhaspie]LeBron has generated 11.98 points for every turnover. Formula is (points + (assists x 2)

[ImKobe]

[QUOTE=RRR3]:facepalm



You

[bigkingsfan]

What does this have to do with anything? Lebron is supposed to be Magic Johnson, yet his AST-TO ratio is hardly better than that of a SG? Magic's is 2.87, Stockton's is 3.75, Chris Paul's is 4. Lebron has basically the same AST-TO ratio as Westbrook :lol . That's not very impressive for the supposed best playmaker in the league.
Isn't Kobe supposed to be a much better scorer than Lebron, but :

27, 4th all time vs 25, 12th :biggums:

[SpaceJam2]

Career Assist/Turnover Ratio:

Kobe: 1.57
Jordan: 1.96
Lebron: 2.09

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Well this thread's over

:lol :lol

[red1]

Career Assist/Turnover Ratio:

Kobe: 1.57
Jordan: 1.96
Lebron: 2.09

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OP getting bodybagged on a daily basis :roll: :roll: :roll: