The modern era is 3-pointer basketball (since 1980)

[3ball]

- So this includes the ABA merger

- It also includes more complicated defenses from before the rule changes in 2005, aka hand-check ban and zone defense ban inside the paint (defensive 3 seconds).

- It also coincides with Bird and Magic helping boost the NBA.

Conclusion: since the modern era obviously began with the 3-point line (1980), MJ's 6 rings as the best player on his team is the goat accomplishment of the modern era, thereby making him goat

[egokiller]

Another one.

Are you ever going to let these lestans get a good night sleep for once or are you going to keep mindfvcking them with these timely threads?

Absolute savage.

[1987_Lakers]

We gonna ignore the fact that MJ won 2 titles when the NBA had a short 3 point line???

Not to mention teams didn't really know how to utilize the 3 point shot until recently. The modern era just started, making LeBron the GOAT.

[Uncle Drew]

Ah yes, the modern 80's, when teams combined for 3 3PA's per game. :oldlol:

[Manny98]

Hand checking ban = modern era

[RRR3]

Ah yes, the modern 80's, when teams combined for 3 3PA's per game. :oldlol:
:roll: :roll:

[Trollsmasher]

I don't think we can consider an era during which they had to shorten the three point line because players couldn't shoot threes as a part of the three point era

Therefore the modern era began at best in 97-98 and probably even later

[3ball]

I don't think we can consider an era during which they had to shorten the three point line because players couldn't shoot threes as a part of the three point era

Therefore the modern era began at best in 97-98 and probably even later
Actually, the complexity/diversity of offense and game flow occurred before today's maximization of 3-point attempts - so the inclusion of recent eras that use today's dumbed-down format is a mistake - the only eras that matter are infact the 80's through late 00's, which had the 3-point line but didn't overuse it and dumb down the game (today's era).

[DoctorP]

So in essence what it does is it rewards the skill of shooting, placing it above everything else and the game has responded in it's adaptation and evolution.

[Trollsmasher]

Actually, the complexity/diversity of offense and game flow occurred before today's maximization of 3-point attempts - so the inclusion of recent eras that use today's dumbed-down format is a mistake - the only eras that matter are infact the 80's through late 00's, which had the 3-point line but didn't overuse it and dumb down the game (today's era).
claiming that today's era is dumb is like claiming computers solving checkers was dumb:lol

[Gotterdammerung]

I've posted on this in the past (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12177219&postcount=30), namely during the 2016 season when the Warriors were rampaging:



The modern era began in 1979-80, but there's a better way to divide eras than this old, tired, and expired "classic/modern" dichotomy:

Golden age: 1980s
The Golden Age moniker fits due to the number of powerful dynasites in the Showtime Lakers, the Bird Celtics, Dr. J's Sixers, and the Bad Boys of Mowtown. The league was much more top-heavy, tho the style dramatically altered from the coke-fueled 70s with the perfect marriage of athletes and team play.

Silver age: 1990s
Instead of dynasties, we have one dominant team steamrolling the league, 6 titles in 8 years, with an interregneum of the Houston Rockets in 1994 and 1995. The lack of legitimate dynasties as well as dilution due to expansion and sluggish pace knock this era down a few pegs.

Bronze age: 2000s
Since Jordan was so dominant in the previous era, the league sought would-be replacements in Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Iverson, but none of them were capable of filling those Nikes. Although the competition improved, teams did not shake off the doldrums of the slow-ball style of the 90s until Steve Nash's Phoenix Suns of 2005 introduced small ball.

Contemporary age: 2010s till now
LBJ won 4 MVPs in 5 years, and the league successfully transitioned to Small Ball with the Miami Heat (4 finals in a row) and the Golden State Warriors, now threatening to win 70 plus games. In fact, I suspect the Warriors are not just a dominant team, they're actually a team from the future, say 5 years down the road, suddenly thrust upon the present, forcing the league to accelerate the small ball evolution ahead of schedule.

[Marchesk]

And now we're in the Harden age.

[3ball]

So in essence what it does is it rewards the skill of shooting, placing it above everything else and the game has responded in it's adaptation and evolution.
So you're saying that stand-still threes (most threes) is a greater skillset than the many types of mid-range, contested shot-making of prior eras??..

That sounds like an inexperienced take to me.. like a virgin wine-taster saying some dumb shit.

And yes - despite the harden's and lillard's of the world, most threes are stand-still threes obtained via a pass, and 89% of all threes are "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "wide open" (6+ feet), according to nba.com stats.

Ultimately, today's shot-allocation is a beginner format - it's just threes and layups - anything else gets a screw face from coaches, so players evolve to look increasingly awkward/unskilled shooting from midrange, despite this area offering the most diverse-making shot-making and most optimal for must-have situations.
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[DoctorP]

So you're saying that stand-still threes (most threes) is a greater skillset than the many types of mid-range, contested shot-making of prior eras??..

That sounds like an inexperienced take to me.. like a virgin wine-taster saying some dumb shit.

And yes - despite the harden's and lillard's of the world, most threes are stand-still threes obtained via a pass, and 89% of all threes are "open" (4-6 feet from closest defender) or "wide open" (6+ feet), according to nba.com stats.

Ultimately, today's shot-allocation is a beginner format - it's just threes and layups - anything else gets a screw face from coaches, so players evolve to look increasingly awkward/unskilled shooting from midrange, despite this area offering the most diverse-making shot-making and most optimal for must-have situations.
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Not sure this retarded response merits additional thought but what Im saying is the game is evolving according to the rules. Like it or not this is why we are where we are.

[Smoke117]

DeRozan = Pippen

[3ball]

DeRozan = Pippen
No, Pippen is the only notable sidekick that opponents didn't even think about (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=367912)

Since opponents "didn't even think about" Pippen, he cost MJ many rings in 1988, 1989, 1990, and also 1995 (19 on 40% in ECSF)

and Pippen made MJ carry the goat scoring load too, thereby costing MJ in other areas, i.e. likely 1-2 more dpoys and an assist title for MJ.

[SouBeachTalents]

No, Pippen is the only notable sidekick that opponents didn't even think about (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=367912)

Since opponents "didn't even think about" Pippen, he cost MJ many rings in 1988, 1989, 1990, and also 1995 (19 on 40% in ECSF)

and Pippen made MJ carry the goat scoring load too, thereby costing MJ in other areas, i.e. likely 1-2 more dpoys and an assist title for MJ.
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Pippen impressed Jerry Sloan.

"He was sensational," said the Jazz's coach.

After scoring just 10 points in Sunday's record-setting shellacking, Pippen was even more efficient offensively than Jordan Wednesday at the United Center. He scored 28 points on 9-of-18 shooting overall and went five-for-eight from beyond the arc. Jordan needed 27 shots from the floor and 15 from the free-throw line to get his total.

Pippen, who is much healthier now than he was a year ago in the Finals, carried the Bulls' offensive yolk for much of the first half. In the first quarter, he scored six of the Bull's first eight points by swishing two 3-pointers. He also crashed the glass early on, grabbing three offensive rebounds in the first three minutes. At one point, Pippen had three offensive boards while the Jazz were still waiting for their first rebound to fall in their hands.

He ended the first quarter and opened the second with a personal 8-0 run by nailing a trey, hitting an inside shot and then drilling another 3-pointer to give Chicago a 26-19 lead. Bryon Russell interrupted his scoring exhibition with a three, but Pippen kissed a banker off the glass on the Bulls' next possession. That concluded his one-man shooting show.

At that point, with 9:32 left in the second quarter, Pippen had scored 16 points and grabbed four rebounds - and he threw in one steal for good measure.

"He did a terrific job getting in the open court, pulling up and taking the 3-point shots, and got in a great rhythm," Sloan said. "We had a difficult time trying to guard him."

And that was just half the court.

"Defensively, he puts tremendous pressure on you. . . . He caused us a lot of problems, I think everybody is aware of that. We're aware of it," Sloan said. "We have trouble with him every time we play. And I don't know what more you can say. You can put him on any player on the floor, and he's going to do a terrific job defensively."

[3ball]

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He had 28 points

a 28 point game... who cares... I posted quotes that opponents didn't think about pippen, and you post a 28 point game from their 6th championship run, which MJ carried him to.. :roll:

after he cost the bulls the 88-90 championships, and 1995

carry on..




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Again, a 28 point game, whoopdiwhoop

One good wing defender doesn't equal a top team defense - the Bulls only had the 7th ranked defense during the 1st three-peat, so many teams had better defensive help than MJ did, including Clyde's Blazers (#3 defense), the Bad Boys, and of course most of Lebron's teams.

Ultimately, Lebron missed the playoffs with the East all-star center in 2005, and only made the playoffs in 2006 after adding a 20-point all-defender sidekick, the future COY, and a top team defense.. MJ only ever won the championship when he had any ONE of these things, yet Lebron's teams were always a struggle and underwhelming with all three.

But Lebron always did less with more, and always had more help on both sides of the ball than MJ - look at 2009 - he had more help on both sides on the ball than 89' MJ, but MJ beat the #1 SRS team while Lebron was upset by the #4 SRS.. Examples like this litter their respective careers.. #fakemanufacturedgoat
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[Smoke117]

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It's hilariously pathetic how much he tries to bury Pippen to raise up Jordan...who is already considered the GOAT. How weirdly obsessive and insecure do you have be to shit on everyone Jordan has played with when he's already considered the GOAT? It doesn't matter, though. He can go on and on, but Pippen is still always in the top 30 all time on every greatest player list. He must have been doing something right. :confusedshrug:

[DoctorP]

No, Pippen is the only notable sidekick that opponents didn't even think about (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=367912)

Since opponents "didn't even think about" Pippen, he cost MJ many rings in 1988, 1989, 1990, and also 1995 (19 on 40% in ECSF)

and Pippen made MJ carry the goat scoring load too, thereby costing MJ in other areas, i.e. likely 1-2 more dpoys and an assist title for MJ.

severely underrating Pippen. :no:

[SpaceJam2]

We gonna ignore the fact that MJ won 2 titles when the NBA had a short 3 point line???

Not to mention teams didn't really know how to utilize the 3 point shot until recently. The modern era just started, making LeBron the GOAT.



That's a wrap :rockon:

[Ainosterhaspie]

The three point line was a novelty for 35 years and teams really didn't capitalize on its power. An era began with the introduction of the three, but and new era began when teams learned long twos are stupid, and that only really happened in the last five years.