LeBron or Kobe?

[Shogon]

Who you got?

[elementally morale]

Speaking of what? Better career? Better player? Who I want as an owner? Whose style is more entertaining? As characters? Watching them as a movie? As a teammate? There are many answers.

In one word: Kobe. But I don't think he was the better player. I still choose him.

[SouBeachTalents]

Interesting comparison, don't know if people would really care to make an argument either way tbh

[elementally morale]

When young people ask me (and they do) how to choose a partner 'for life' (whatever that means at age 20) I usually say: Choose someone whose faults and shortcomings entertain you. It's not the ups but the downs. Can you have a good time laughing at somebody who fu(ks up? Do you like him/her regardless? That's the way to go.

With Kobe I always had this. He is a bit younger than me. Was a talented but spoiled kid. But he was entertaining to me even in defeat. Even when he was clearly wrong. I felt the same with Shaq. LeBron's personality irritated me more than Kobe's. Both are huge douchebags by the way. One worse than the other. But to me Kobe was entertaining... I could laugh at him being stupid. LeBron I usually didn't laugh at.

[Uncle Drew]

When young people ask me (and they do) how to choose a partner 'for life' (whatever that means at age 20) I usually say: Choose someone whose faults and shortcomings entertain you. It's not the ups but the downs. Can you have a good time laughing at somebody who fu(ks up? Do you like him/her regardless? That's the way to go.

With Kobe I always had this. He is a bit younger than me. Was a talented but spoiled kid. But he was entertaining to me even in defeat. Even when he was clearly wrong. I felt the same with Shaq. LeBron's personality irritated me more than Kobe's. Both are huge douchebags by the way. One worse than the other. But to me Kobe was entertaining... I could laugh at him being stupid. LeBron I usually didn't laugh at.
Did you laugh when Kobe raped someone?

[FKAri]

kobe = 2 for 2 internationally, 5 for 7 nba finals

7 for 9 overall



vs




lebron = 0 for 4 internationally without kobe/cp3 bail outs, 1 for 9 nba finals without ray/kyrie bail outs

1 for 13 overall



give me the mamba


thanks


/thread
Kobe: 0/1 overall (either got carried or was involved in botched rig jobs and the one time it was fair he blew a 3-1 lead).

LeDong: 17/17: Because he always wins.

It's...not even close


/thread

[elementally morale]

Did you laugh when Kobe raped someone?


I did nothing. None of us knows what happened. So much time has passed I'm actually sure not even the two people involved know any more. Memory is a strange thing as it can be overwritten.

But if what you really ask is whether I laughed about the scandal and media hype at the time, yes. Kobe mishandled the whole case and the media had no choice but drop him as an MJ heir. There is a reason ESPN treats Kobe like it does. And it's not lack of success or entertainment value. It's this case and how Kobe mishandled it. Yes, it was funny.

[FKAri]

I did nothing. None of us knows what happened. So much time has passed I'm actually sure not even the two people involved know any more. Memory is a strange thing as it can be overwritten.

But if what you really ask is whether I laughed about the scandal and media hype at the time, yes. Kobe mishandled the whole case and the media had no choice but drop him as an MJ heir. There is a reason ESPN treats Kobe like it does. And it's not lack of success or entertainment value. It's this case and how Kobe mishandled it. Yes, it was funny.
Kobe seemed to keep overwriting it during his initial questioning.

"I've never seen her"
"I've only seen her at the front but I've never talked to her"
"She just came to the room to show me stuff"
"We had consensual sex"
"OK. She told me to stop and I stopped and let her walk out then jrked off in the sink"

Funny how things slip the mind so quickly. That last line is where they didn't have any more evidence to call out his BS. I must say though, what a gentleman.

[Dray n Klay]

kobe saved the 2000 season in wcf game 7 ( the real finals ) leading them in points, rebounds, assists and blocks

his injured line vs indiana is irrelevant


he then led the lakers in scoring vs sanantonio and sacramento ( both more important series than philly ) in 2001

he then survived food poisoning in 2002 vs sacramento after destroying the spurs yet again



no collusions

no ring chasing

all clean

all heroic



he deserves all his rings... he never relied on bullshit


you lose


So why did Kobe miss the playoffs in 2013??

[ImKobe]

"Would I rank LeBron over Kobe in terms of best of all time? No. There's something about five that beats three.

MJ said it best.

[ralph_i_el]

Wow, this is a very interesting question. I wonder if anyone has spent any time pondering this one before? I think we are in for some thoroughly stimulating Socratic dialogue. :kobe: :lebronamazed:

[k0kakw0rld]

What an original thread. Bravo!

[egokiller]

:roll:

Here we go

[eliteballer]

With or without LeBron's PED's?

https://i.pinimg.com/736x/b6/22/c2/b622c23710df06e9d8fdffa44f475994--cleveland-cavs-king-james.jpg


http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.428850.1314536733!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_750/alg-lebron-dunk-jpg.jpg


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https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/lebron-james-of-the-cleveland-cavaliers-looks-to-pass-against-the-san-picture-id85153038


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[72-10]

I get the point of the thread.

[superduper]

With or without running away to multiple superteams?

[warriorfan]

Lebron has a good shot by he wasted it colluding with the number 2 and 4 PER in the league and losing 6 times in the finals

[superduper]

Lebron has a good shot by he wasted it colluding with the number 2 and 4 PER in the league and losing 6 times in the finals

Majority of current and former players who played with both players have Kobe ahead.

Why aren't they fooled by the fake stats? :(

[stalkerforlife]

kobe = 2 for 2 internationally, 5 for 7 nba finals

7 for 9 overall



vs




lebron = 0 for 4 internationally without kobe/cp3 bail outs, 1 for 9 nba finals without ray/kyrie bail outs

1 for 13 overall



give me the mamba


thanks


/thread

Damn.

Ether.

The king is back.

[The Iron Fist]

More finals wins Kobe
More finals losses lebron

[Manny98]

the PEOPLES top 4 all time is pretty secure imo ...

when we all think of the NBA we think of

- Jordan
- Kobe
- Magic
- Bird


they're the true mount rushmore


most iconic/respected guys in our history



this is why the media only brings up kareem... they know nobody loves him like that. he's an easy target


lebron might end up the 5th most popular player ever. but he'l never pass those other 4 guys
List voted by the fans

https://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-top-nba-players-of-all-time

[Manny98]

More finals wins Kobe
More finals losses lebron
More 1st option rings LeBron
More sidekick rings Kobe

[Dray n Klay]

multiple votes are allowed in ranker. we all know bran stans are about alting and fixing stuff like that.

i mean common... kobe at #12... didn't see that coming


i go by actual opinions of highly respected former players/coaches that have studied the game for a long time.


most of them pick kobe over leshame

List their 30 Point triple doubles

[Manny98]

multiple votes are allowed in ranker. we all know bran stans are about alting and fixing stuff like that.

i mean common... kobe at #12... didn't see that coming


i go by actual opinions of highly respected former players/coaches that have studied the game for a long time.


most of them pick kobe over leshame
Why does every expert list (ESPN,SI,Backpicks) have Kobe 8-12 and LeBron top 2. We never even see Jordan vs Kobe debates anymore It's LeBron vs Jordan, Kobe is not even in the picture anymore lol

1 MVP and 2 1st option rings don't cut it

[ImKobe]

https://pics.me.me/theres-something-about-five-that-beats-three-ake-michael-jordan-26738828.png

[Manny98]

why does nearly every highly respected name in and around the league throughout history and not some journalist that never touched a basketball have kobe ranked ahead of lebron
Huh?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MG8wjJNdf4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyVcRpgUdPY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AAbRz6ZRS0
https://streamable.com/m08yy

[The Iron Fist]

More 1st option rings LeBron
More sidekick rings Kobe
Kobe 5 titles, rings, championships.
Lebron 6 losses. Your made up stats dont mean anything.

[superduper]

Kobe 5 titles, rings, championships.
Lebron 6 losses. Your made up stats dont mean anything.

And you know he's stupid as fk when he's calling 32-6-6 rings "sidekick rings" then turns around and calls 18-10 Pau FMVP :oldlol:

[The Iron Fist]

And you know he's stupid as fk when he's calling 32-6-6 rings "sidekick rings" then turns around and calls 18-10 Pau FMVP :oldlol:
:dancin :djparty :hammertime:

[MrFonzworth]

wowzers


kerr thinks lebron is more "athletic" than kobe

stan vangundy? who?

baron davis lol.. he said kobe was more skilled so what is he saying? lebrons just bigger and more athletic. same shit as kerr


oh yeah and the guy who despises jordan and will hop on anyone that has a chance to take him down... i think he picked kareem for the longest time
Glad to have you back:cheers:

[Draz]

This is pretty hard tbh.

It's funny that people have LeBron as their top 1-3 but Kobe never really is in that discussion but they rank against each other a lot

[Levity]

Kobe

[Manny98]

wowzers


kerr thinks lebron is more "athletic" than kobe

stan vangundy? who?

baron davis lol.. he said kobe was more skilled so what is he saying? lebrons just bigger and more athletic. same shit as kerr


oh yeah and the guy who despises jordan and will hop on anyone that has a chance to take him down... i think he picked kareem for the longest time
No they all clearly said that LeBron is the GOAT

Kobe isn't even in the conversation anymore

[Manny98]

Kobe 5 titles, rings, championships.
Lebron 6 losses. Your made up stats dont mean anything.
Kobe only won twice as the teams best player and LeBron 3 times

I don't even need to bring up better peak,more accolades better stats ect.

[AlternativeAcc.]

LeBron is over 10 spots higher on the all-time list

there's literally 3 or 4 tiers between them :roll:

15be

[warriorfan]

kobe = 2 for 2 internationally, 5 for 7 nba finals

7 for 9 overall



vs




lebron = 0 for 4 internationally without kobe/cp3 bail outs, 1 for 9 nba finals without ray/kyrie bail outs

1 for 13 overall



give me the mamba


thanks


/thread


This isn’t entirely accurate. You have him as 1/9 in the Finals....When actually it is less.

2012 - Lock our season and finals vs low iq 22 year old chokers, asterisk ring
2013 - bricking series on the line shot, Bosh and Ray Allen bail out, asterisk ring
2016 - Adam Silver, asterisk ring


2011 - This is literally the worst choke out of any top 100 player in NBA history. He colluded with the 2nd and 4th best players in the league in already a historically weak conference and got outscored in less minutes played by an old Jason Terry. The King of chokes. It is generous to hand him out only a -1 in the ring category for this. We will leave it at -1 for now

So that leaves him at -1/9 in the NBA finals...the international play you listed checks out

So LeBron is actually -1/13

[FKAri]

This is pretty hard tbh.

It's funny that people have LeBron as their top 1-3 but Kobe never really is in that discussion but they rank against each other a lot
You would think Kobe vs Duncan would be a more regularly debated topic. I rarely see that comparison ever brought up.

[warriorfan]

You would think Kobe vs Duncan would be a more regularly debated topic. I rarely see that comparison ever brought up.

Same reason you don

[Darth_Vader]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Same reason you don

[FKAri]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]Same reason you don

[The Iron Fist]

Kobe only won twice as the teams best player and LeBron 3 times

I don't even need to bring up better peak,more accolades better stats ect.
Better to win than to lose six times. You can bring up whatever you want. Nothing takes away that 5-2 is better than 3-6. You can spin it any way you want. Lebron would gladly trade records. You would too. Then you wouldn

[Darth_Vader]

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]Better to win than to lose six times. You can bring up whatever you want. Nothing takes away that 5-2 is better than 3-6. You can spin it any way you want. Lebron would gladly trade records. You would too. Then you wouldn

[Darth_Vader]

SpaceJam2 and John Connors joined my cause! :applause:

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=The Iron Fist]Better to win than to lose six times. You can bring up whatever you want. Nothing takes away that 5-2 is better than 3-6. You can spin it any way you want. Lebron would gladly trade records. You would too. Then you wouldn

[superduper]

Choose sides... Join the Empire or the rebels....

Choose wisely...:mad:

I do not know about basketball so I logged on this random forum. Weird place. :biggums:

Who's Kobe or LeBron?

Kobe is the dark side.

Bran is the coward side.

Take your pick.

[Darth_Vader]

Kobe is the dark side.

Bran is the coward side.

Take your pick. Alas!!! I'm no coward!

I'm with the dark side. It's my life!

By the way, who's Kobe. IDK about basketball in general. :(

So Kobe it is.

ALLIES: ENEMIES: NONE
SpaceJam2
John Connors
Kobe

[knicksman]

choosing lebron over kobe is like choosing a lower quality product because of design/stats. Youll regret it in the end.

[Turbo Slayer]

Choose sides... Join the Empire or the rebels....

Choose wisely...:mad:

I do not know about basketball so I logged on this random forum. Weird place. :biggums:

Who's Kobe or LeBron?
Yo Vader sign me up. I wanna join the Empire. :bowdown:

I shall kneel before you. :bowdown:

[Darth_Vader]

Yo Vader sign me up. I wanna join the Empire. :bowdown:

I shall kneel before you. :bowdown:
Yes. Power and intimidation works very well. :applause:

You are wise. :applause:

ALLIES: ENEMIES: NONE
SpaceJam2
John Connors
Turbo Slayer
Kobe

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Someone tell Jeff to pull the cord on this Vader clown before I shove a lightsaber up his ass.

[ImKobe]

Yes. Power and intimidation works very well. :applause:

You are wise. :applause:

ALLIES: ENEMIES: NONE
SpaceJam2
John Connors
Turbo Slayer
Kobe

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[eliteballer]

With or without LeBron's PED's?


Anyone figure this out?

[Celtics 1825]

I'll take the black one

[SpaceJam2]

Well one guy is cemented top 3 for life and the other guy is perpetually sliding out of the top 12

12be
14be
16be once Kawhi, Curry, and KD are done? Stay tuned.

[The Iron Fist]

Well one guy is cemented top 3 for life and the other guy is perpetually sliding out of the top 12

12be
14be
16be once Kawhi, Curry, and KD are done? Stay tuned.
Top 3 for life
Elgin
Jerry
Lebron


All three gave up the most finals ass.

[ZenMaster7210]

[QUOTE=warriorfan]This isn

[FKAri]

I think as a player, we all agree that it's obvious: LeGod. So let's just skip that. Let's look at how they controlled their teams.

Kobe was a whiny passive aggressiveness beta male phaggit with his management style. He'd whine to management who'd laugh him out of the room then Kobe would start dropping riddles in the media.

Then you have LeAlpha who literally barges into the board room with a stogie in his mouth and tells Magic to, "Step aside. I'll take it from here." He then proceeds to make his own trades, signings and deals. All with his dicc sprawled out on the table like an anaconda patiently waiting in the tall grass for its prey to slip up. Only low test pu$$ified coddled gender fluid micro pen1s holders would consider Kobe, MJ's failed Danny-Devito-from-Twins-esque twin over LeDong.

[RRR3]

I think as a player, we all agree that it's obvious: LeGod. So let's just skip that. Let's look at how they controlled their teams.

Kobe was a whiny passive aggressiveness beta male phaggit with his management style. He'd whine to management who'd laugh him out of the room then Kobe would start dropping riddles in the media.

Then you have LeAlpha who literally barges into the board room with a stogie in his mouth and tells Magic to, "Step aside. I'll take it from here." He then proceeds to make his own trades, signings and deals. All with his dicc sprawled out on the table like an anaconda patiently waiting in the tall grass for its prey to slip up. Only low test pu$$ified coddled gender fluid micro pen1s holders would consider Kobe, MJ's failed Danny-Devito-from-Twins-esque twin over LeDong.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[The Iron Fist]

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Is that how you laugh when lebron loses a finals again and again and again?



Because thats how I laugh.

[Nikola_]

If you wanna win, choose Kobe. If you wann have sex, choose Bran.

[FKAri]

Is that how you laugh when lebron loses a finals again and again and again?



Because thats how I laugh.
You laugh in pixelated gifs? Interesting. As for me, I usually applaud for a season well crafted. When he wins, I find it's a bit too on the nose. Like no one wants to see Vince McMahon winning belts.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Let's see what LeBron's better at:
*Points per game (and coming soon, career).
*TS%
*Rebounds per game and career.
*Assists per game and career.
*Steals per game and career.
*Blocks per game and career.
[LeBron has a perfect record against Kobe on box score stats, you think he'd let Kobe have one, but nope. Pure dominance.
*All of the above true in playoffs as well.
*Playoff Buzzer beaters (5-1) and makes to tie or take lead in final 24 seconds.
*MVPs
*FMVPs
*1st team all-NBA

Where does Kobe have LeBron beat:
*Bricks per game and career
*Sidekick rings
*All NBA defensive teams

[SouBeachTalents]

Let's see what LeBron's better at:
*Points per game (and coming soon, career).
*TS%
*Rebounds per game and career.
*Assists per game and career.
*Steals per game and career.
*Blocks per game and career.
[LeBron has a perfect record against Kobe on box score stats, you think he'd let Kobe have one, but nope. Pure dominance.
*All of the above true in playoffs as well.
*Playoff Buzzer beaters (5-1) and makes to tie or take lead in final 24 seconds.
*MVPs
*FMVPs
*1st team all-NBA

Where does Kobe have LeBron beat:
*Bricks per game and career
*Sidekick rings
*All NBA defensive teams
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[The Iron Fist]

Let's see what LeBron's better at:
*Points per game (and coming soon, career).
*TS%
*Rebounds per game and career.
*Assists per game and career.
*Steals per game and career.
*Blocks per game and career.
[LeBron has a perfect record against Kobe on box score stats, you think he'd let Kobe have one, but nope. Pure dominance.
*All of the above true in playoffs as well.
*Playoff Buzzer beaters (5-1) and makes to tie or take lead in final 24 seconds.
*MVPs
*FMVPs
*1st team all-NBA

Where does Kobe have LeBron beat:
*Bricks per game and career
*Sidekick rings
*All NBA defensive teams
All that, and lebron still gets beat in the finals like Andy Ruiz defending his title.:roll:

[Duncan21formvp]

Kobe still.

[Kiddlovesnets]

Why do we still have this kind of topics nowadays? It

[Gil Renard]

Let's see what LeBron's better at:
*Points per game (and coming soon, career).
*TS%
*Rebounds per game and career.
*Assists per game and career.
*Steals per game and career.
*Blocks per game and career.
[LeBron has a perfect record against Kobe on box score stats, you think he'd let Kobe have one, but nope. Pure dominance.
*All of the above true in playoffs as well.
*Playoff Buzzer beaters (5-1) and makes to tie or take lead in final 24 seconds.
*MVPs
*FMVPs
*1st team all-NBA

Where does Kobe have LeBron beat:
*Bricks per game and career
*Sidekick rings
*All NBA defensive teams

Great post. I

[tpols]

Let's see what LeBron's better at:
st$ts


Where does Kobe have LeBron beat:
basketball


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[SouBeachTalents]

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I'll give your post credence if you can give me literally one example of another athlete having superior regular season and postseason numbers/accolades across the board, but still being worse than someone else. Just one. Or is LeBron/Kobe the only one in sports history where that occurs :oldlol:

[knicksman]

I'll give your post credence if you can give me literally one example of another athlete having superior regular season and postseason numbers/accolades across the board, but still being worse than someone else. Just one. Or is LeBron/Kobe the only one in sports history where that occurs :oldlol:

yeah bro. Youre smarter than the players. LOL

[stalkerforlife]

Luka better stats this year than Bran's ever had.

Bu bu bu BUT...

[Gil Renard]

Luka better stats this year than Bran's ever had.

Bu bu bu BUT...

Luka and Giannis will pass Kobe in the all time rankings. Curry, Durant, Kawhi, and Harden already have. Our hero Kobe is on the verge of falling out of the top 20 all time. :(

[stalkerforlife]

Luka and Giannis will pass Kobe in the all time rankings. Curry, Durant, Kawhi, and Harden already have. Our hero Kobe is on the verge of falling out of the top 20 all time. :(

Bu bu bu BUT...

[LoneyROY7]

Y'all have been arguing this same exact topic for the last 10+ years.

:lol :lol :lol

[Gil Renard]

:(

I feel your pain bro. It helps if you just accept the reality that our hero Kobe isn

[Ainosterhaspie]

Luka better stats this year than Bran's ever had.

Bu bu bu BUT...
And when he's got 10 all nba's, multiple MVPs and FMVPs, and multiple all D selections then he'll be in the conversation too.

[stalkerforlife]

And when he's got 10 all nba's, multiple MVPs and FMVPs, and multiple all D selections then he'll be in the conversation too.

But muh stats! :rant

[SpaceJam2]

Luka has no stats

We measure PLAYOFFS

keep up

[Ainosterhaspie]

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LeBron was the best player on his team from day one while Kobe was a bench warmer. LeBron is a significantly better defender thanks to extra size, athleticism and intelligence. He legitimately anchored his team's defense for years and was called on to guard 1-5. Kobe was a solid defender in his own right, but never close to as impactful on that end as LeBron.

At the same time he was his team's best defender, LeBron was also the best scorer and playmaker. He has far better court vision, passing skill and instinct than Kobe. That's not even remotely debatable. LeBron is a much better finisher at the rim, virtually unstoppable in the open court. Kobe isn't. Kobe's best offensive skill, getting off contested mid range shots, is specializing in the worst way to run offense. In the two best ways to score from the field, at the rim and from three, LeBron is better.

Kobe supposedly is the clutch player of the two, yet LeBron has far more playoff clutch makes in the last 24 seconds and five times as many buzzer beaters. I'm sorry is that a stat instead of an eye test. My eyes saw LeBron make all these game winners at the buzzer in the playoffs, and saw Kobe shoot brick after brick.

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Where's Kobe's game winners?

LeBron has won far more as his team's best player compared to Kobe. Kobe was an after thought joke tank commander at 35. LeBron is vying for MVP and is leading his team to the best record in the league.

Want to credit Davis for that? At least an elite player wants to play with LeBron at 35. They all passed on Kobe's overrated washed up self at 35.

[stalkerforlife]

LeBron was the best player on his team from day one while Kobe was a bench warmer. LeBron is a significantly better defender thanks to extra size, athleticism and intelligence. He legitimately anchored his team's defense for years and was called on to guard 1-5. Kobe was a solid defender in his own right, but never close to as impactful on that end as LeBron.

At the same time he was his team's best defender, LeBron was also the best scorer and playmaker. He has far better court vision, passing skill and instinct than Kobe. That's not even remotely debatable. LeBron is a much better finisher at the rim, virtually unstoppable in the open court. Kobe isn't. Kobe's best offensive skill, getting off contested mid range shots, is specializing in the worst way to run offense. In the two best ways to score from the field, at the rim and from three, LeBron is better.

Kobe supposedly is the clutch player of the two, yet LeBron has far more playoff clutch makes in the last 24 seconds and five times as many buzzer beaters. I'm sorry is that a stat instead of an eye test. My eyes saw LeBron make all these game winners at the buzzer in the playoffs, and saw Kobe shoot brick after brick.

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Where's Kobe's game winners?

LeBron has won far more as his team's best player compared to Kobe. Kobe was an after thought joke tank commander at 35. LeBron is vying for MVP and is leading his team to the best record in the league.

Want to credit Davis for that? At least an elite player wants to play with LeBron at 35. They all passed on Kobe's overrated washed up self at 35.

Meltdown.

And no aficionado cares about anything Bran did in the east playoffs with super teams.

Absolutely meaningless.

[knicksman]

LeBron was the best player on his team from day one while Kobe was a bench warmer. LeBron is a significantly better defender thanks to extra size, athleticism and intelligence. He legitimately anchored his team's defense for years and was called on to guard 1-5. Kobe was a solid defender in his own right, but never close to as impactful on that end as LeBron.

At the same time he was his team's best defender, LeBron was also the best scorer and playmaker. He has far better court vision, passing skill and instinct than Kobe. That's not even remotely debatable. LeBron is a much better finisher at the rim, virtually unstoppable in the open court. Kobe isn't. Kobe's best offensive skill, getting off contested mid range shots, is specializing in the worst way to run offense. In the two best ways to score from the field, at the rim and from three, LeBron is better.

Kobe supposedly is the clutch player of the two, yet LeBron has far more playoff clutch makes in the last 24 seconds and five times as many buzzer beaters. I'm sorry is that a stat instead of an eye test. My eyes saw LeBron make all these game winners at the buzzer in the playoffs, and saw Kobe shoot brick after brick.

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Where's Kobe's game winners?

LeBron has won far more as his team's best player compared to Kobe. Kobe was an after thought joke tank commander at 35. LeBron is vying for MVP and is leading his team to the best record in the league.

Want to credit Davis for that? At least an elite player wants to play with LeBron at 35. They all passed on Kobe's overrated washed up self at 35.


Sorry bro but skills > stats. Thats why most players have kobe over lebron

[Ainosterhaspie]

Sorry bro but skills > stats. Thats why most players have kobe over lebron
I'm not talking stats genius. I'm talking skills. LeBron's the better defender, has superior court vision, better finisher at rim, passer, long shooter. Those are skills not stats.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Players probably have more respect for Kobe. Whether that's because of his iso scoring. Offensive diversity. Cut-throat mentality. Or simply for staying with ONE team. The Lakers.

Whatever the case, is what it is.

Its hard to argue Kobe had more in-game impact than Lebron though. People will point to winning. Or that Lebron played in a weak conference. Fact is, he still has 3 FMVPs as his teams best player. And all the numbers in the world to back his impact.

One of the biggest disappointments in NBA history? These two never meeting in the finals.

TWO Top 10 greats whose primes coincided with one another. Were in the league together, what, 12 years? Fans got robbed.

[3ball]

lebron's stats come at the expense of the team's stats (losing) compared to the team stats with Kobe (winning)

so kobe is better

[Duncan21formvp]

Luka has no stats

We measure PLAYOFFS

keep up
What about home court series losses?

[SouBeachTalents]

What about home court series losses?
You mean what Duncan did 7 times :oldlol:

[Duncan21formvp]

You mean what Duncan did 7 times :oldlol:
Still beat Lebron 4-0 and 4-1 when Lebron had championship teams.

[knicksman]

I'm not talking stats genius. I'm talking skills. LeBron's the better defender, has superior court vision, better finisher at rim, passer, long shooter. Those are skills not stats.

its the quality of skills. Its harder to be kobe than lebron. Kobes skills are more advance. Thats why its the kobe types that usually wins in this league.

[Gil Renard]

Still beat Lebron 4-0 and 4-1 when Lebron had championship teams.

How do they compare head to head in FMVP

[Duncan21formvp]

How do they compare head to head in FMVP’s when they faced each other? LeBron has 1 while Duncan has zero. The one year they had comparable help, Duncan choked in the big moment and LeBron came through in the clutch.
Yeah Duncan has beaten the mess out of Lebron 4-0 and 4-1 when Lebron had stars on the squad. Lebron was also losing to Jason Terry and Dwight Howard with HCA in his prime/peak. Feel free to prove me wrong.

[Akeem34TheDream]

You mean what Duncan did 7 times :oldlol:
Bro he is not a Duncan fan. Its a schtick. He is a Lebron hater. He doesnt care about Duncan.

[Gil Renard]

Bro he is not a Duncan fan. Its a schtick. He is a Lebron hater. He doesnt care about Duncan.

This. He

[Gil Renard]

Yeah Duncan has beaten the mess out of Lebron 4-0 and 4-1 when Lebron had stars on the squad. Lebron was also losing to Jason Terry and Dwight Howard with HCA in his prime/peak. Feel free to prove me wrong.

What stars did LeBron have in 07?

[3ball]

Players probably have more respect for Kobe. Whether that's because of his iso scoring. Offensive diversity. Cut-throat mentality. Or simply for staying with ONE team. The Lakers.

Whatever the case, is what it is.

Its hard to argue Kobe had more in-game impact than Lebron though. People will point to winning. Or that Lebron played in a weak conference. Fact is, he still has 3 FMVPs as his teams best player. And all the numbers in the world to back his impact.

One of the biggest disappointments in NBA history? These two never meeting in the finals.

TWO Top 10 greats whose primes coincided with one another. Were in the league together, what, 12 years? Fans got robbed.
all teams that use 1 big ball-dominator will fall off if they lose their ball-dominator.. see the 13' Suns (lost Nash) or 12' Hornets (lost CP3).. so you guys are all overrating Lebron's impact compared to skillsets that fit with all systems or player types, thus allowing a better team/ceiling..

Ultimately, despite a team's drop-off without their ball-dominator, the 1-ball-dominator approach doesn't impact championship odds as much because that brand typically falls short of championship level/ceiling

so the stats DON'T show his great impact, unless you're looking at the stats naively.. the stats infact show that his style/skillset puts a lower ceiling on his teams and marginalizes some teammates.. those are the statistical facts

[Boogey]

Summary

Lebron elevates his team, Kobe carry

[3ball]

all teams that use 1 big ball-dominator will fall off if they lose their ball-dominator.. see the 13' Suns (lost Nash) or 12' Hornets (lost CP3).. so you guys are all overrating Lebron's impact compared to skillsets that fit with all systems or player types, thus allowing a better team/ceiling..

Ultimately, despite a team's drop-off without their ball-dominator, the 1-ball-dominator approach doesn't impact championship odds as much because that brand typically falls short of championship level/ceiling

so the stats DON'T show his great impact, unless you're looking at the stats naively.. the stats infact show that his style/skillset puts a lower ceiling on his teams and marginalizes some teammates.. those are the statistical facts
no one dares

maybe in a couple years people will have a response for this

[NBAGOAT]

no one dares

maybe in a couple years people will have a response for this

i'll respond. maybe many teams go the route or relying on a ball dominator because that's the most optimal style for their talent level? Are you really going claim for example the hornets or suns post stoudemire shouldnt have played completely around nash and cp3 and there was a more optimal alternative?

You can talk about championship level blah blah, most guys are lucky to have a few years on a championship level squad, their floor raising shouldnt be heavily discounted because of that even though yes ceiling raising is more important than floor raising.

[3ball]

i'll respond. maybe many teams go the route or relying on a ball dominator because that's the most optimal style for their talent level? Are you really going claim for example the hornets or suns post stoudemire shouldnt have played completely around nash and cp3 and there was a more optimal alternative?

You can talk about championship level blah blah, most guys are lucky to have a few years on a championship level squad, their floor raising shouldnt be heavily discounted because of that even though yes ceiling raising is more important than floor raising.
historically, teams win a lot more with a team/ball movement approach than the ball-dominator approach

and teams don't need a good cast to move the ball - you guys are literally dumb as f.uck for thinking that basketball must be played with 1 guy dominating the ball.. there isn't a dumber way of thinking about basketball... no wonder your guys' takes are garbage, ignorant and never accurately predicting the future - its because you don't know shit and dont think professional basketball players can't move the ball

[Ainosterhaspie]

Teams win more when there's depth of talent and good coaching. Coincidentally ball movement works really well when you have those two things. But if you don't have a coach with a good offensive vision, the team won't have the pretty Spurs/Warriors style ball movement. Even if you have the right coach or can all come to naught with just one weak link. See Harrison Barnes 2016.

If you don't have the right coach and enough depth ball movement can become counterproductive because you're wasting the talent of your best player. Why run simple sets that don't do anything but burn clock when you've got a stud who can actually create good looks for himself and others?

Not every star and team is lucky enough to have a Jackson, Popovich or Kerr drawing up sets. Those less fortunate aren't going to have great playsbno matter how willing the players are to move the ball. Warriors pre 2015 is a good example of that.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

all teams that use 1 big ball-dominator will fall off if they lose their ball-dominator.. see the 13' Suns (lost Nash) or 12' Hornets (lost CP3).. so you guys are all overrating Lebron's impact compared to skillsets that fit with all systems or player types, thus allowing a better team/ceiling.

Ultimately, despite a team's drop-off without their ball-dominator, the 1-ball-dominator approach doesn't impact championship odds as much because that brand typically falls short of championship level/ceiling

so the stats DON'T show his great impact, unless you're looking at the stats naively.. the stats infact show that his style/skillset puts a lower ceiling on his teams and marginalizes some teammates.. those are the statistical facts

Lebron won 3 as his teams best player.

And team "big ball dominator". Neither Paul or Nash have won anything. Your example couldn't be worse.

I don't know what you're looking at BUT nobody denies "Lebron ball" exists. Or that his teams have underachieved. With that being said, RAPM and RPM are the best measures of impact. Easily. And both measures rate Lebron as one of the highest impact players ever.

Just a fact.

You're thinking too narrowly. Like an impressionable kid with tunnel vision. Broaden your horizons and stop parroting cliche narratives.

[FKAri]

Lebron won 3 as his teams best player.

And team "big ball dominator". Neither Paul or Nash have won anything. Your example couldn't be worse.

I don't know what you're looking at BUT nobody denies "Lebron ball" exists. Or that his teams have underachieved. With that being said, RAPM and RPM are the best measures of impact. Easily. And both measures rate Lebron as one of the highest impact players ever.

Just a fact.

You're thinking too narrowly. Like an impressionable kid with tunnel vision. Broaden your horizons and stop parroting cliche narratives.
That's the point. Lebron would suffer the same fate as Nash or CP if he didn't team hop to collude and stack the deck. His impact is a manufactured lie. He's just a stat wh0re who team hops to collude and stack the deck. Bran just wants to play his bran ball and pad his stats so the casual fan doesn't notice that all he really did was team stack to collude and hop the deck. He's a choker who Chamberlain's under the pressure which is why he needs to deck hop to collude and stack the team. He needed prayers by Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving to get any success despite hopping the team and stacking chairs on the deck. He's a coward and he's ruined the credibility of the NBA with all his stacking and teaming and colliding with ****ing decks.

[SpaceJam2]

That's the point. Lebron would suffer the same fate as Nash or CP if he didn't team hop to collude and stack the deck. His impact is a manufactured lie. He's just a stat wh0re who team hops to collude and stack the deck. Bran just wants to play his bran ball and pad his stats so the casual fan doesn't notice that all he really did was team stack to collude and hop the deck. He's a choker who Chamberlain's under the pressure which is why he needs to deck hop to collude and stack the team. He needed prayers by Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving to get any success despite hopping the team and stacking chairs on the deck. He's a coward and he's ruined the credibility of the NBA with all his stacking and teaming and colliding with ****ing decks.

But he hung doe

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

That's the point. Lebron would suffer the same fate as Nash or CP if he didn't team hop to collude and stack the deck. His impact is a manufactured lie. He's just a stat wh0re who team hops to collude and stack the deck. Bran just wants to play his bran ball and pad his stats so the casual fan doesn't notice that all he really did was team stack to collude and hop the deck. He's a choker who Chamberlain's under the pressure which is why he needs to deck hop to collude and stack the team. He needed prayers by Ray Allen and Kyrie Irving to get any success despite hopping the team and stacking chairs on the deck. He's a coward and he's ruined the credibility of the NBA with all his stacking and teaming and colliding with ****ing decks.

Those ****ing decks I tell ya!

[Ainosterhaspie]

Every dynasty in NBA history was stocked with talent.

Russell's Celtics? Hall of Famers up and down the roster.

Bird's Celtics? Same.

ShowtimeLakers? Two top five all time greats.

Jordan's Bulls? Two top five players in the League (both top 40 all time) and three hall of Famers for second three peat and 6MOtY. First three peat with just two all time greats was still a stacked roster.

Duncan's Spurs? Two all time top 20 to start and three then four hall of famers att he end.

Shaq Kobe Lakers? Two all time top 15 and by the end, maybe the two best players in the League.

Curry Warriors? Not a dynasty until they added second best player in the league to a another top five and two top 20 one of whom was DPOY caliber.

Litteraly every dynasty is jam packed with elite talent, yet LeBron has a standard that applies to him alone that he's supposed to win with rosters whose best player outside him is a guy who can only make an all star game thanks to multiple injuries by guys picked above him in a conference we're told had no talent.

He takes a Cavs roster that proves to be the worst roster in the league the next year, to the finals, but we're supposed to think "LeBron Ball" somehow held those G leaguers back. LeBron Ball made the finals 8 years in a row, something only Russell's ridiculously stacked Celtics teams have ever managed. It produced the best playoff offense ever in 2017. When talking aboutt picking up one of LeBron's teammates, Bird shot that down because he knew LeBron was making him look better than he was.

But no, they totally wound have had a better offense than the best playoff offense ever by giving JR "I thought we were ahead" Smith, Tristan "all I can do is crash the boards" Thompson and Kyrie "the earth is flat and all I want to do iso" Irving more touches in an offensive system designed by this guy.

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