I heard a new club is opening...

[Ainosterhaspie]

29k/9k/9k. It's supposed to be fairly exclusive. Anyone have any idea which NBA players past or present can get in? Opening day rumored to be 1-1-2020, though sources say could open a week or two early.

Also apparently they'll be shutting down the 28k/8k/8k club when this new one opens just like they did with the 27k/7k/7k club previously. Anyone have access to the exclusive members list from those clubs? I can't seem to find it and was wondering how many of the game's players were eligible for membership when those clubs were open.

[Shogon]

Man if he gets the all time scoring title along with 10k rebs and 10k asts, there's no way that can be ignored. It does matter.

Longevity matters a hell of a lot with all time rankings. Anyone pretending it doesn't is kidding themselves.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

No denying that'll be impressive.

Long as AD is healthy, the Lakers will be competing for years. And Lebron can rack up his numbers.

GOAT longevity is a forgone conclusion.

[knicksman]

Man if he gets the all time scoring title along with 10k rebs and 10k asts, there's no way that can be ignored. It does matter.

Longevity matters a hell of a lot with all time rankings. Anyone pretending it doesn't is kidding themselves.

nah. only those who have low standards value longetivity. Thats why most of them are bron stans.

[Shogon]

nah. only those who have low standards value longetivity. Thats why most of them are bron stans.

Uh, this is incredibly false.

If we're not valuing longevity, I'm taking Shaq as the GOAT hands down. But in reality, he isn't top 5 because the longevity isn't there.

Longevity matters a HELL of a lot.

['Toine=MVP]

Man if he gets the all time scoring title along with 10k rebs and 10k asts, there's no way that can be ignored. It does matter.

Longevity matters a hell of a lot with all time rankings. Anyone pretending it doesn't is kidding themselves.

Longevity is kind of a bonus in a way. Something to be discussed, but not really something that should influence your ranking. There are dummies that put Kareem #2 (or even #1) on their GOAT list. But it just doesn't matter if Kareem ended his career after 1984 and didn't get those 3 extra titles and the extra stats. It shouldn't have really any impact whatsoever on his GOAT ranking.

Lebron can still impact his GOAT ranking though as he is still essentially in his prime, unlike Kareem, so if he can win even with the historically rare two superstar combo, especially doing so in somewhat dramatic/memorable fashion, it will help his case. The extra prime rings will help his case too. So in that sense, his elongated prime has DEFINITELY helped him overcome a lot of his failures in what would be the normal prime window of a player. But you don't get extra credit for it. You just get more cracks at it.

[MaxPlayer]

Man if he gets the all time scoring title along with 10k rebs and 10k asts, there's no way that can be ignored. It does matter.

Longevity matters a hell of a lot with all time rankings. Anyone pretending it doesn't is kidding themselves.

Who knows? It might even get discussed on ISH.

[Shogon]

Longevity is kind of a bonus in a way. Something to be discussed, but not really something that should influence your ranking. There are dummies that put Kareem #2 (or even #1) on their GOAT list. But it just doesn't matter if Kareem ended his career after 1984 and didn't get those 3 extra titles and the extra stats. It shouldn't have really any impact whatsoever on his GOAT ranking.

Lebron can still impact his GOAT ranking though as he is still essentially in his prime, unlike Kareem, so if he can win even with the historically rare two superstar combo, especially doing so in somewhat dramatic/memorable fashion, it will help his case. The extra prime rings will help his case too. So in that sense, his elongated prime has DEFINITELY helped him overcome a lot of his failures in what would be the normal prime window of a player. But you don't get extra credit for it. You just get more cracks at it.

If longevity doesn't matter, I'm taking McGrady over Kobe all time. And in any serious discussion I would get absolutely roasted for saying that. Still, at their peaks? Give me McGrady.

McGrady absolutely does not deserve to be ahead of Kobe.

Longevity isn't just a bonus. It's at least 50% of why people end up where they do on these all time ranking lists. At least.

['Toine=MVP]

Uh, this is incredibly false.

If we're not valuing longevity, I'm taking Shaq as the GOAT hands down. But in reality, he isn't top 5 because the longevity isn't there.

Longevity matters a HELL of a lot.


Well Shaq as GOAT is interesting. I don't agree for various reasons that we don't need to get into but I think there is a case for it. And he should be top 5 on EVERY GOAT list. No question.

So when you separate this idea that longevity matters, but outside of GOAT discussions, I can get behind it, but mainly if the player stayed with the same team for his whole career (or the vast vast majority of it). Because in that case, you can take the perspective of a drafting team and ask yourself...do you want 10 years of a slightly better superstar player or 20 years of a slightly worse one. And the slightly worse one is probably the choice from that perspective, but that is highly predicated on him staying with the team that drafted him and also can only be looked at from that kind of odd perspective which is outside the GOAT discussion.

[ImKobe]

3/9 club has a better ring to it.

['Toine=MVP]

If longevity doesn't matter, I'm taking McGrady over Kobe all time. And in any serious discussion I would get absolutely roasted for saying that. Still, at their peaks? Give me McGrady.

McGrady absolutely does not deserve to be ahead of Kobe.

Longevity isn't just a bonus. It's at least 50% of why people end up where they do on these all time ranking lists. At least.


You didn't read my post. You just assumed my position and assumed it incorrectly.

I said longevity in your prime does matter because it gives you more cracks at titles and more cracks to improve your game in some way. If LeBron had injury issues and retired after maybe 1 Heat ring, he'd have a worse legacy. But it has nothing...NOTHING to do with the extra stats he totaled since. He improved the resume. He learned to not be the absolute worst volume 3 point shooter in the league where he can be left alone to fail at the 3 point line. He can never wipe away that Dallas series, but at least he can somewhat mitigate against it with a few impressive series he had with Cleveland (even in the losses). The better events in his playing career happened later in his career.

The same is true for Kobe. Kobe's legacy before the Pau Gasol years (leaving the question of how good Gasol/Bynum/etc were), was looking pretty rough. He had 3 titles where no one seriously thought he was anywhere near Shaq level, despite any statistical joke argument. And then without Shaq, he couldn't do anything. But he stuck around (he wasn't really old and definitely still in his prime), and got some good teammates (they were definitely good teammates, even if not as great as some might argue) and was able to win one impressive title on his own. He won another partly because LeBron choked in the East (though mainly because of KG's injury, which was also the reason he won the impressive title as KG was a shell of himself after the injury). Either way, the extra stats Kobe put up were meaningless. The championships as the best player on the team DOES matter (even if Gasol was almost as good, it doesn't matter - Shaq was WAY better than Kobe).

['Toine=MVP]

If longevity doesn't matter, I'm taking McGrady over Kobe all time. And in any serious discussion I would get absolutely roasted for saying that. Still, at their peaks? Give me McGrady.

McGrady absolutely does not deserve to be ahead of Kobe.

Longevity isn't just a bonus. It's at least 50% of why people end up where they do on these all time ranking lists. At least.

Kareem's placement should be based on him having an unstoppable post move, the one win with his original team, and the first couple wins with the Lakers where he was still pretty close to prime and not just a very good old dude. It should also be based on the fact that in his prime he played in the NBA, not the ABA. The NBA was like the 2013-2019 Eastern Conference. And the ABA was like the Western Conference. And one year Kareem didn't even make the playoffs. And no one at the time thought he had surpassed Russell or Wilt as the greatest center. No one. The idea that he could be considered better than them now, is kind of silly. But he was still really good. Possibly/probably better than "centers" like Duncan and Hakeem. But the amount of years he played should not be a factor.

EDIT: forgot to talk about McGrady...

If you think McGrady achieved greatness to the extent that any of the guys in the top 10 or even top 20 did, you are on your own.

Greatness isn't just about unrealized talent. If that were the case, LeBron would be #1. (Yes he realized some of his talent, but his greatness ranking is notably lower than his talent ranking, but not nearly as big a gap as with McGrady).

[SpaceJam2]

nah. only those who have low standards value longetivity. Thats why most of them are bron stans.

3ball alert :lol

[egokiller]

Longevity doesn’t mean much, and here’s why....

You play a game against your competition (can be any game) and I play a game against my competition (the same game as you). I never lose to my comp in the championship games. I win 6 times and go undefeated, then I stop playing for whatever reason. You go on to win 3 times but lose 6 times. During that time of you continuing to play, you accumulate more points within the games you play. So because I went on to do something else with my life, you finally caught up in points or whatever yet finish with as many losses as I have wins. The end result is I remain GOAT. Why? You didn’t win enough and you lost as many times as I won no matter how much longer you continued to play.

[coin24]

Stacked the deck and still barely won.

Pa the tic

[SouBeachTalents]

Longevity doesn’t mean much, and here’s why....

You play a game against your competition (can be any game) and I play a game against my competition (the same game as you). I never lose to my comp in the championship games. I win 6 times and go undefeated, then I stop playing for whatever reason. You go on to win 3 times but lose 6 times. During that time of you continuing to play, you accumulate more points within the games you play. So because I went on to do something else with my life, you finally caught up in points or whatever yet finish with as many losses as I have wins. The end result is I remain GOAT. Why? You didn’t win enough and you lost as many times as I won no matter how much longer you continued to play.
Why do people on this board literally never acknowledge that there are other results to seasons besides titles & Finals. LeBron missing the playoffs last year, and the two times he lost with HCA before the Finals, is a worse result than making the Finals. Just like Jordan losing to Detroit 3 years in a row and to Orlando in '95, is worse than winning the conference

[72-10]

it's a good thing basketball is nothing like baseball

yeah, those numbers would be like Barry Bonds level good

[Lebron23]

Add the finals mvp, and mvp this year. LeBron is the best player of all time.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Expected opening Christmas day or December 28. Stay tuned...

[ZenMaster7210]

Uh, this is incredibly false.

If we're not valuing longevity, I'm taking Shaq as the GOAT hands down. But in reality, he isn't top 5 because the longevity isn't there.

Longevity matters a HELL of a lot.. Peak Shaq ain

[ZenMaster7210]

Add the finals mvp, and mvp this year. LeBron is the best player of all time. Lebronze ain

[LAmbruh]

god damn we eatin good

[RoseCity07]

1 rape case club.

Kobe
Rapezingus


Who else?

[nayte]

Add the finals mvp, and mvp this year. LeBron is the best player of all time.

Haha you have been saying that for years . Tbf it might be true this year

[coin24]

1 rape case club.

Kobe
Rapezingus


Who else?


Simons uncle :lol

[SpaceJam2]

:dancin

['Toine=MVP]

Uh, this is incredibly false.

If we're not valuing longevity, I'm taking Shaq as the GOAT hands down. But in reality, he isn't top 5 because the longevity isn't there.

Longevity matters a HELL of a lot.

Then take Shaq #1. I think he's probably #3 to MJ and Bird.

[Manny98]

Only GOATs allowed in the 29/9/9 club :hammertime:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o8dFsv6Pw69TZzmLK/giphy.gif

[FKAri]

I heard there's already a lineup forming and there's bouncers out front. Apparently, some bald bitch was getting a bit handsy in the crowd and had to be tossed to the curb. Want to know the funny part? He wasn't the only one but the girls were just complaining about him. What a loser!

[72-10]

does the club include 7k turnovers?

[SpaceJam2]

Only GOATs allowed in the 29/9/9 club :hammertime:

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o8dFsv6Pw69TZzmLK/giphy.gif



https://media.giphy.com/media/3o8dFsv6Pw69TZzmLK/giphy.gif

[Gileraracer]

Even harder to catch up:

29k/9k/9k/6fl*


















*fl = finals losses

[ArbitraryWater]

It's not just "longevity".

LeBron is still a top 3 player in the game.

He's adding more and more MVP level seasons to his name.

The season he's having right now is better than any Kobe season ever, for example.

But I love how longevity and total numbers were Kobe camps' calling card for YEARS, until LeBron crushed anything and anyone in his path and continued to defy expectations.


Not just were they boosting Kobe's all time numbers, they also kept proclaiming "LeBron will fall off like a sack of potatoes once he's this and this old... wait til he's _!"

:oldlol:

They've changed goal posts historically more than any other player fanbase of any sport ever.

[Ainosterhaspie]

Looks like opening night is tomorrow.

[ImKobe]

It's not just "longevity".

LeBron is still a top 3 player in the game.

He's adding more and more MVP level seasons to his name.

The season he's having right now is better than any Kobe season ever, for example.

But I love how longevity and total numbers were Kobe camps' calling card for YEARS, until LeBron crushed anything and anyone in his path and continued to defy expectations.


Not just were they boosting Kobe's all time numbers, they also kept proclaiming "LeBron will fall off like a sack of potatoes once he's this and this old... wait til he's _!"

:oldlol:

They've changed goal posts historically more than any other player fanbase of any sport ever.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[The Iron Fist]

Uh, this is incredibly false.

If we're not valuing longevity, I'm taking Shaq as the GOAT hands down. But in reality, he isn't top 5 because the longevity isn't there.

Longevity matters a HELL of a lot.
So Kareem is your goat.:applause:

[Shogon]

So Kareem is your goat.:applause:

Bill Russell.

[The Iron Fist]

Bill Russell.
Not a bad choice.