Politics: Should African-Americans Receive Reparations For Slavery?

[Im Still Ballin]

My opinion? Yes.

The cumulative cultural, spiritual, ethical and financial damage slavery has done to the African-American ethnic group is substantial.

Victims of the holocaust received financial restitution, as did those who suffered from Apartheid.

The US has paid reparations in the past.

Japanese-American victims of internment camps


The forced internment of 120,000 Japanese-Americans in camps during World War II resulted in about $3.1 billion in property loss and $6.4 billion in income loss, in 2014 dollars. If you account for the possibility that that money might have been invested and gotten above-inflation returns, the economic losses are even larger.

Congress made two attempts at reparations, the Japanese-American Claims Act of 1948 and the Civil Liberties Act of 1988. Between 1948 and 1965, the former authorized payments totaling $38 million (which comes to somewhere between $286 to $374 million in 2014 dollars), which didn't come close to matching the economic loss. The latter offered survivors $20,000 each in reparations. By 1998, 80,000 survivors had collected their share, for a total payout of $1.6 billion (between $2.3 billion and $3.2 billion today). There is no accounting by which either measure adequately repaid internees for their economic losses, let alone compensated for pain and suffering.

Victims of forced sterilization


Most Americans states practiced one or another form of eugenics during the 20th century, with forced sterilizations of "unfit" people being a prime instrument. The targets were largely but by no means entirely mentally or developmentally disabled; poor black women on welfare were especially likely to be victimized in this manner. The Supreme Court gave the practice a green light with 1927's Buck v. Bell, and eventually 33 states adopted the practice, forcibly sterilizing about 65,000 people total through the 1970s. Oregon forcibly sterilized people as late as 1981, and its Board of Eugenics (renamed the "Board of Social Protection" in 1967) was only abolished in 1983.

Very few states have acknowledged or apologized for these policies, and only one, North Carolina, has set up a reparations program. The state sterilized about 7,600 people, most of whom are no longer living, but last year passed a $10 million reparations program that should give the more than 177 living victims somewhere in the range of $50,000 each. The payments should be made within a few years. Some victims have objected, saying this doesn't come close to remedying the injustice. As one victim, Elaine Riddick Jessie (who was sterilized at age 14 after being raped and giving the resulting son up for adoption), put it, "If I accepted it, what kind of value am I putting on my life?"

California, which sterilized by far the largest number of people of any state, has yet to pay out reparations.

Tuskegee experiment victims


After the end of the Tuskegee experiment — in which 399 black men with syphilis were left untreated to study the progression of the disease between 1932 and 1972 — the government reached a $10 million out of court settlement with the victims and their families in 1974, which included both monetary reparations (in 2014 dollars, $178,000 for men in the study who had syphilis, $72,000 for heirs, $77,000 for those in the control group and $24,000 for heirs of those in the control group) and a promise of lifelong medical treatment for both participants and their immediate families. According to the CDC, 15 descendants are still receiving treatment through the program today.

Rosewood victims


In 1923, the primarily black town of Rosewood on the Gulf Coast of Florida was destroyed in a race riot that, by official counts, killed at least six black residents and two whites (though some descendants of the town's residents have claimed many more were killed and dumped in mass graves). In 1994, the state of Florida agreed to a reparations package worth around $3.36 million in 2014 dollars, of which $2.4 million today would be set aside to compensate the 11 or so remaining survivors of the incident, $800,000 to compensate those who were forced to flee the town, and $160,000 would go to college scholarships primarily aimed at descendants.

[Phong]

Sure, give reparations to those who were slaves. How many are there still alive today?

[RRR3]

Yes of course but it won

[Im Still Ballin]

Sure, give reparations to those who were slaves. How many are there still alive today?
Related Reading -- Why the racial wealth gap persists, more than 150 years after emancipation (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/06/19/why-racial-wealth-gap-persists-more-than-years-after-emancipation/)


Juneteenth — Emancipation Day 1865 — was supposed to start a new era of black wealth creation. After 12 generations of being subject to slavery’s institutionalized theft, 4 million African Americans were now free to earn incomes and degrees, hold property, weather hard times and pass down wealth to the next generation. They would surely scramble up the economic ladder, if not in one generation then in a few.

Eight generations later, the racial wealth gap is both yawning and growing. The typical black family has just 1/10th the wealth of the typical white one. In 1863, black Americans owned one-half of 1 percent of the national wealth. Today it’s just over 1.5 percent for roughly the same percentage of the overall population. The cause of that stagnation has largely been invisible, hidden by the assumption of progress after the end of slavery and the achievements of civil rights. But for every gain black Americans made, people in power created new bundles of discrimination, largely hidden from sight, that thwarted, again and again, the economic promise of emancipation.

Key Concepts -- Generational wealth, systemic racism, legal discrimination

[Phong]

Related Reading -- Why the racial wealth gap persists, more than 150 years after emancipation (https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2019/06/19/why-racial-wealth-gap-persists-more-than-years-after-emancipation/)



Key Concepts -- Generational wealth, systemic racism, legal discrimination Yeah yeah, then you have people who come to this country with nothing but the clothes on their backs, not speaking the language and within 2 generations are part of the middle and upper class. :rolleyes:

Lets entertain your idea for a minute. Who's eligible for those reparations? All black people? Black people who can prove they're descendants of slaves? What about those who settled here after the end of slavery? What about mixed people? Do they get a percentage of reparations proportional to their percentage of black DNA?

[Rolando]

African American slaves built the South and are largely responsible for the prosperity of the North. Their free labor and production fed the industrial revolution.

They sure as hell deserve reparations. And it doesn't have to be so complex either. How about just installing the social programs that have been needed for decades to support African American families? They deserve all the educational grants, tax breaks, welfare....everything.

Not only did they build the foundation of the prosperity and global dominance that all Americans enjoy today, they also HEAVILY contribute to our world dominant pop culture.

Ask yourselves: Where the hell would America be without the Africans?

They deserve everything this country can give them and more. The US owes these people dearly.

[Im Still Ballin]

Yeah yeah, then you have people who come to this country with nothing but the clothes on their backs, not speaking the language and within 2 generations are part of the middle and upper class. :rolleyes:

Lets entertain your idea for a minute. Who's eligible for those reparations? All black people? Black people who can prove they're descendants of slaves? What about those who settled here after the end of slavery? What about mixed people? Do they get a percentage of reparations proportional to their percentage of black DNA?
Related Reading -- 'Model Minority' Myth Again Used As A Racial Wedge Between Asians And Blacks (https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/04/19/524571669/model-minority-myth-again-used-as-a-racial-wedge-between-asians-and-blacks)

[QUOTE]But as history shows, Asian-Americans were afforded better jobs not simply because of educational attainment, but in part because they were treated better.

"More education will help close racial wage gaps somewhat, but it will not resolve problems of denied opportunity," reporter Jeff Guo wrote last fall in the Washington Post. "Asian Americans

[Phong]

But as history shows, Asian-Americans were afforded better jobs not simply because of educational attainment... The rest is all excuses.. Highest level of education, highest wages, lowest crime rate, most successful socio-economic group in the US even ahead of whites..

"Bla bla bla.. slavery, systemic racism, white supremacy"

Key Concepts: victim mentality, waiting for the White Man for handouts

[FultzNationRISE]

African American slaves built the South and are largely responsible for the prosperity of the North. Their free labor and production fed the industrial revolution.

They sure as hell deserve reparations. And it doesn't have to be so complex either. How about just installing the social programs that have been needed for decades to support African American families? They deserve all the educational grants, tax breaks, welfare....everything.

Not only did they build the foundation of the prosperity and global dominance that all Americans enjoy today, they also HEAVILY contribute to our world dominant pop culture.

Ask yourselves: Where the hell would America be without the Africans?

They deserve everything this country can give them and more. The US owes these people dearly.


Tens if not hundreds of billions are poured into these communities each year from both government and charity.

Just like billions are poured into Haiti and other places, and the money just disappears.

You cant make people change. You cant buy social change. It’s not a financial issue at this point, it is a cultural/accountability issue. You want to make it a money issue because youre not someone who has the balls to make honest criticisms to sensitive people, aka leadership, but rather youre an ordinary middle class pleb who wants to buy guilt relief, primarily with the money of others.

Governments and charities distribute billions to these communities every hear. Handouts do not provide incentive to change. Theyre not a solution. It’s not the easy reality youd like to hear and believe, but it’s the real reality.


Have you considered the fact that the sheer opportunity to live in a country like America in 2019, where there are already myriad programs and grants and civil rights in place, is a massive benefit to today’s blacks as a result of their ancestors’ sacrifice? Whereas in Africa theyre climbing over each other for a chance for the limited few visas that will provide access to this country.

Youre a one-dimensional kind of thinker, so your solution to everything is “just buy it with government money!” That doesnt work in every situation but you will always use it for EVERY solution cause youre just not really bright, creative, insightful, and pragmatic. You wanna take the easy mainstream popular sentiment, be the guy to declare it, and make people think you just came up with something meaningful. Actually youre just rehashing tired ideas that have been proven not to work.


If you have intelligent solutions that are likely to help struggling communities, that’s great. We can talk about it. But you dont. Youre just beating the reparations drum using sentimental tripe because all you have to offer is regurgitation of basic-bitch ideas some Dembot politician came up with years ago.

****in ******.

[FultzNationRISE]

Also, OPs entire reason for making this thread was specifically to get me to respond, which is usually the only time Ill purposely avoid a discussion like this. But Maxfly went full empty emotional cliche and I had to jump in.


So you got lucky this time, OP.

[Phong]

Again OP, how will recipients be selected and how will the amount of reparations determined?

[egokiller]

How can reparations be given when only approximately 0.1% of the current non black population has any family ties to slaves owners? The vast majority of non blacks have European ancestry with no relation to any former American slave owner. There's no one left that owes the reparations. It would be like trying to collect a debt from someone who is already dead. Makes no sense.

[CelticBaller]

The Midwest is so sparsely populated I would be fine giving them land there.

[Phong]

Makes no sense. It doesn't have to make sense for them. Notice how they never go into details as to how it would work. They have no clue.

They're victims and someone just has to give them money!

[Im Still Ballin]

Again OP, how will recipients be selected and how will the amount of reparations determined?


How can reparations be given when only approximately 0.1% of the current non black population has any family ties to slaves owners? The vast majority of non blacks have European ancestry with no relation to any former American slave owner. There's no one left that owes the reparations. It would be like trying to collect a debt from someone who is already dead. Makes no sense.

Related Reading -- What Reparations for Slavery Might Look Like in 2019 (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/business/economy/reparations-slavery.html)

Key Concepts -- Reparations, financial restitution, slavery, discrimination

Marianne Williamson's plan (https://www.marianne2020.com/issues/the-reparations-plan)



Race-based policies alone are helpful, but only on a temporary basis. That is because, while they address the external symptoms of racial prejudice, they carry no moral weight and therefore have no fundamental transformative power. Of themselves, they leave open the question of whose fault it is that the economic gap exists.

The main power of a reparations plan is that it carries moral weight that goes beyond mere economic restitution. This is because it implies an inherent mea culpa – the acknowledgement on the part of one people of a wrong that has been done, a debt that is owed, and a willingness to pay it. Reparations are not “financial assistance;” they are payment of a debt that has never been paid. They thus pave the way for an emotional and psychological healing between blacks and whites much needed in the United States.

SPECIFICS

- According to my plan, reparations for slavery will be paid in the amount of $500 Billion.

- These payments will be made over a period of twenty years to a Reparations Council made up of black leaders from across the spectrum of American academic, cultural and political leaders.

- The Council would include 30-50 members, all descendants of slaves, and all who have some scholarly, cultural or political connection to the issue of reparations.

- This Council, not the American government, would determine how the money is to be disbursed.

- The stipulation on the part of the American government is the following: that the money be applied for purposes of economic and educational renewal.

[LostCause]

The rest is all excuses.. Highest level of education, highest wages, lowest crime rate, most successful socio-economic group in the US even ahead of whites..

"Bla bla bla.. slavery, systemic racism, white supremacy"

Key Concepts: victim mentality, waiting for the White Man for handouts

The idea of slavery reparations means it's not a hand out, rather repaying of a debt


Have you considered the fact that the sheer opportunity to live in a country like America in 2019, where there are already myriad programs and grants and civil rights in place, is a massive benefit to today’s blacks as a result of their ancestors’ sacrifice? Whereas in Africa they're climbing over each other for a chance for the limited few visas that will provide access to this country.

Why would that matter though? African Americans who descended from slaves were born here. They're as American as you are. So the "opportunity" to live in America, for an American-born citizen, is a birthright.

[Phong]

The idea of slavery reparations means it's not a hand out, rather repaying of a debt. There are no slaves still living today and no slave owners still living today. So how are you going to calculate how much debt is owed and who owes it? Is it going to be all non-black tax payers paying all those who have some black ancestry?

[Phong]

Related Reading -- What Reparations for Slavery Might Look Like in 2019 (https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/23/business/economy/reparations-slavery.html)

Key Concepts -- Reparations, financial restitution, slavery, discrimination

Marianne Williamson's plan (https://www.marianne2020.com/issues/the-reparations-plan) So basically, you just have no clue but regurgitate whatever you can Google even though it doesn't answer what was asked of you. :facepalm

[NBAGOAT]

impossible imo to do practically. People shouldnt be complaining about freaking affirmative action at least however. sustain a better public education system. Possibly make public universities/trade schools free for students from low income situations. Yea it kind of sucks if you already paid for college, suck it up

[tpols]

what so they could blow it all on 40s, black n milds, n strip clubs?

Theyd be back in the same position in no time because there's no investment mindset.

[LostCause]

There are no slaves still living today and no slave owners still living today. So how are you going to calculate how much debt is owed and who owes it? Is it going to be all non-black tax payers paying all those who have some black ancestry?

I don't know these details, but I'm pretty sure that's what the discussion is about and what those who support it intend to investigate

There's already been many places offering some form of reparations already. Here's Evanston, IL:
https://www.rrstar.com/news/20191207/evanston-wants-to-give-reparations-to-black-residents-funded-by-tax-on-marijuana

Then you also have institutions like GeorgeTown University:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/georgetown-university-announces-reparations-fund-benefit-descendants-slaves/story?id=66642286

There are many others but just using those as examples. Both of those are also only starters, so I'd imagine things will get much more comprehensive. So I don't think it's impossible for something like this to happen and I'm not against the idea personally


what so they could blow it all on 40s, black n milds, n strip clubs?

Theyd be back in the same position in no time because there's no investment mindset.

This is an incredibly dumb take

[qrich]

How the hell would you implement it? Would the descendents of black slave owners also get reparations? How about those who immigrated here post slavery?

And where does he money come from? Why do those who had nothing to do with it have to pay into taxes for it?

Not expecting any answers of course.

[Phong]

There's already been many places offering some form of reparations already. Here's Evanston, IL:
https://www.rrstar.com/news/20191207/evanston-wants-to-give-reparations-to-black-residents-funded-by-tax-on-marijuana That city plans on giving money to all blacks, regardless of any slavery ties or not. They want to reward blacks who broke drug laws by taxing the legal-cannabis industry but won't reward non-blacks who broke the same laws. :facepalm

"Free money cause you're black!"


Then you also have institutions like GeorgeTown University:
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/georgetown-university-announces-reparations-fund-benefit-descendants-slaves/story?id=66642286 It's a private institution so if they want to give charity to some black people, that's their choice; just don't force people who had nothing to do with slavery to pay.

[egokiller]

Again, how can anything be given when the people that owe it (families of slave owners) are a vast minority that don

[CelticBaller]

How the hell would you implement it? Would the descendents of black slave owners also get reparations? How about those who immigrated here post slavery?

And where does he money come from? Why do those who had nothing to do with it have to pay into taxes for it?

Not expecting any answers of course.
DNA testing lol, threshold of white genes

Can

[CelticBaller]

The idea of slavery reparations means it's not a hand out, rather repaying of a debt



Why would that matter though? African Americans who descended from slaves were born here. They're as American as you are. So the "opportunity" to live in America, for an American-born citizen, is a birthright.
Reparations is not a birthright, is repaying a debt to the people who don

[iamgine]

Should African-Americans Receive Reparations For Slavery back then? Yes.

Should African-Americans Receive Reparations For Slavery today? Heck no.

Any self respecting African American living today should be highly offended by the very idea that they should receive reparations and teach their kids to be offended anytime anyone bring this up. This sh!t should be just below calling them the n word.

[qrich]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]DNA testing lol, threshold of white genes

Can

[Patrick Chewing]

Anyone who says yes is an idiot. Probably still lives at home too.

[LAmbruh]

Absolutely


It shouldn't be paid out of everyones taxes though like Asians and Native Americans.


Just increase white americans income tax for that year and pay them with the overages


and double if they live in the south, triple if they live in rural redneck districts

[Facepalm]

Reparations for something that happened hundreds of years ago to people who are no longer alive by people who are no longer alive is beyond stupid.

[LostCause]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]Reparations is not a birthright, is repaying a debt to the people who don

[LostCause]

Should African-Americans Receive Reparations For Slavery back then? Yes.

Should African-Americans Receive Reparations For Slavery today? Heck no.

Any self respecting African American living today should be highly offended by the very idea that they should receive reparations and teach their kids to be offended anytime anyone bring this up. This sh!t should be just below calling them the n word.

That

[iamgine]

[QUOTE=LostCause]Never said reparations were a birthright. I said the opportunity to live in the US was a birthright for a US born citizen

Also, tons of times things have been repaid to the descendants of people long since dead. We paid families of holocaust victims millions even though they

[iamgine]

[QUOTE=LostCause]That

[Hawker]

To provide reparations would mean to lay blame on the current white citizens of the US of which they should share none.

Those that believe in reparations are welcome to donate their own money at any point.

There are also many black people in America that are successful and doing well. Should they receive money over poor white people?

[Hawker]

African American slaves built the South and are largely responsible for the prosperity of the North. Their free labor and production fed the industrial revolution.

They sure as hell deserve reparations. And it doesn't have to be so complex either. How about just installing the social programs that have been needed for decades to support African American families? They deserve all the educational grants, tax breaks, welfare....everything.

Not only did they build the foundation of the prosperity and global dominance that all Americans enjoy today, they also HEAVILY contribute to our world dominant pop culture.

Ask yourselves: Where the hell would America be without the Africans?

They deserve everything this country can give them and more. The US owes these people dearly.

America's economy would've been so much better without slavery and would've ended up with a higher productive output.

So to answer your question - probably in a more productive state from an economic standpoint.

[tomtucker]

African-Americans are saying thank you for freedom with crime, rape and murder, everyday in US cities.

they don't have time to spend any money,

besides, Jordan's only come out once a month or so. and they are already buying those, so what is left?

[Rolando]

America's economy would've been so much better without slavery and would've ended up with a higher productive output.

So to answer your question - probably in a more productive state from an economic standpoint.

That's just stupid.

[ROCSteady]

Giving reparations to African Americans for slavery, approaching 2020 is one of the dumber macro U.S. political ideas I can even think of.

The only way this would not be a total farce is if families provided proper documentation of their slave heritage and were given some sort of compensation, maybe an aggregate of estimated work weeks for a typical slave or something. Obviously, it would be impossible to get the clock punches.

Of course, this would be tricky because records would not be easily accessible for all, particularly those who would need it most, those stuck in poverty, disorganized communities and overall ignorance.

Also, there's the injustice of some being able to collect, probably due to a lot of luck in record keeping, while many more who would have been entitled to this money under this protocol would not be able to claim it. Soooo... that would be further stratifying and classist resources intra black communities.

Overall, No. It's a terrible idea. It would be an absolute mess with all the particulars , a cash flow of this magnitude would certainly alter the course of history in the country, and most likely not in a beneficial way. Poor, Urban city black communities have proven to more illogical, irresponsible and non-discerning for the resources they do have in place and are given by the govt. I don't care how that comes off because that's been my observations over the years.

I don't think the money would be well-circulated, proportionally throughout the economy overall for what it would cost. I'd much rather sink money into better healthcare, in some capacity.

[LostCause]

If we want to talk about sob stories from hundreds of years ago, there are plenty. Against blacks, whites, catholics, muslims, women, trans, gays, jews, italians, japanese, malays, etc.

And a lot of them get or have had some form of compensation. If they haven

[LostCause]

In the article it says

France provided $60 million to the United States to distribute to Holocaust survivors and their living families under the agreement.

Doesn't this mean France pays for it and the US just acts as distributor?

Yes that was the case there. Linked the wrong citation:
https://www.jta.org/2013/12/11/united-states/biden-white-house-to-help-holocaust-survivors

There

[Phong]

Yes that was the case there. Linked the wrong citation:
https://www.jta.org/2013/12/11/united-states/biden-white-house-to-help-holocaust-survivors Once again you provide links that talk about helping LIVING SURVIVORS of the Holocaust. The previous article about France was quite similar as it related to Holocaust survivors and/or their spouses/children; not their descendants 5+ generation later.

[rufuspaul]

:lol At the liberal sheeple in here falling for the reparations bullshit. The only reason the idea of reparations is being brought up is because the DNC wants to secure the black vote.

[Phong]

:lol At the liberal sheeple in here falling for the reparations bullshit. The only reason the idea of reparations is being brought up is because the DNC wants to secure the black vote. The same liberals, who argue that illegal children shouldn't pay for the crimes of their parents, argue that all white people (or all non-black taxpayers) are responsible for a few slave owners from hundreds of years ago. :facepalm

[CelticBaller]

[QUOTE=LostCause]Never said reparations were a birthright. I said the opportunity to live in the US was a birthright for a US born citizen

Also, tons of times things have been repaid to the descendants of people long since dead. We paid families of holocaust victims millions even though they

[sammichoffate]

No, absolutely not.

Should the government invest into their communities by helping to build up businesses, helping with owning housing at some point, and providing job training in marketable industries like trades?

Yes, that's how you become self-sufficient and get rid of this shitty victim mentality.

[CelticBaller]

No, absolutely not.

Should the government invest into their communities by helping to build up businesses, helping with owning housing at some point, and providing job training in marketable industries like trades?

Yes, that's how you become self-sufficient and get rid of this shitty victim mentality.
Government already does

Look it up, the cities and states with most public funding are the worst ones in terms of crime

Just as Democrats want

[sammichoffate]

Government already does

Look it up, the cities and states with most public funding are the worst ones in terms of crime

Just as Democrats wantRed states receive the most public funding from the federal budget.

[highwhey]

It's not even a question bc it's not debatable. The government owes black people money. Also native Americans and Mexicans. They owe us billions.

Make the check out to Big Dick Energy LLC.

[RRR3]

Red states receive the most public funding from the federal budget.
:roll:


Get his ass.

[Hawker]

That's just stupid.

No, reparations are stupid.

So if workers all became slaves right now, the economy would be more productive? :oldlol:

You want the answer to be yes so bad so it can fit your narrative but it

[CelticBaller]

:roll:


Get his ass.
Oh maybe you should do some research on you own

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/39202299

2 blue states in the top 3, 5 more down the line in the top 10 :oldlol:

[sammichoffate]

Oh maybe you should do some research on you own

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/39202299

2 blue states in the top 3, 5 more down the line in the top 10 :oldlol:https://i.postimg.cc/fLmXWf43/Federal-Aid-2019-Fed-Aid-19.png

1. Mississippi-Red
2. Louisiana-Red
3. New Mexico-Blue
4. Arizona-Split
5. Kentucky-Red
6. Montana-Split
7. Tennessee-Red
8. Wyoming-Red
9. Alaska-Red
10. Missouri-Red

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o85xGocUH8RYoDKKs/giphy.gif

[qrich]

Calling AZ split is funny

[rufuspaul]

https://i.postimg.cc/fLmXWf43/Federal-Aid-2019-Fed-Aid-19.png

1. Mississippi-Red
2. Louisiana-Red
3. New Mexico-Blue
4. Arizona-Split
5. Kentucky-Red
6. Montana-Split
7. Tennessee-Red
8. Wyoming-Red
9. Alaska-Red
10. Missouri-Red

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o85xGocUH8RYoDKKs/giphy.gif


All those red states have large black populations. They're already getting federal money. The feds should just change the name from assistance to reparations.

[CelticBaller]

https://i.postimg.cc/fLmXWf43/Federal-Aid-2019-Fed-Aid-19.png

1. Mississippi-Red
2. Louisiana-Red
3. New Mexico-Blue
4. Arizona-Split
5. Kentucky-Red
6. Montana-Split
7. Tennessee-Red
8. Wyoming-Red
9. Alaska-Red
10. Missouri-Red

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o85xGocUH8RYoDKKs/giphy.gif

Using outdated sources is funny

[sammichoffate]

Using outdated sources is funnyhttps://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/

1 New Mexico
2 Mississippi
3 Kentucky
4 West Virginia
5 Alabama
6 Arizona
7 Alaska
8 Montana
9 South Carolina
10 Indiana

Still majority Red :yaohappy:

[Rolando]

[QUOTE=Hawker]No, reparations are stupid.

So if workers all became slaves right now, the economy would be more productive? :oldlol:

You want the answer to be yes so bad so it can fit your narrative but it

[Nanners]

Ok....let's suppose that we had slavery today or something really similar, like machines that only need energy (food) but otherwise just produce without getting an income...Like robots and robotics.

You are telling me that all these companies using robots are actually wrong and that for them to prosper, they should go back to hiring people who need to be paid a salary to do the same work.

Slave labor was a key factor in making America the powerful country it is today. That's a fact. Go outside now and thank your nearest african american decendant of slaves.

We still have slave labor today... traditional Slavery is alive and well in countries like Libya and Iraq, and here in the US our system of prison labor is basically pseudo slavery. If you have the misfortune of being an inmate in a state like California, you will more or less be forced to do dangerous and backbreaking work fighting forest fires for ~$1/day

[FultzNationRISE]

All those red states have large black populations. They're already getting federal money. The feds should just change the name from assistance to reparations.


This.

The guy using that map to make his point is BLATANTLY uneducated. He thinks “red = white people.”

The southeast has by far the largest black population of any region in the country. Plenty of poor whites there too, but the funding in those states is benefitting millions of black folks.

States like Montana, South Dakota, AZ and NM have the largest population of Indian reservations, which receive a ton of federal funding.


The left are simply too emotional to be intelligent. Someone like rrr3 will never get a group to value him as a member unless he’s claiming theyre wronged and that hes the only one who understands and has sympathy for them. He’s the last dude to be picked in everything. He’s the guy in the friendzone. Also funny enough the first person a group of black dudes from the city would pick on. Effeminate, oversensitive cuck.

He has no value except to play the PC SJW card and hope some group will at least keep him around as a useful idiot. Otherwise he’s simply a complete social reject and wont be voluntarily accepted by anyone.

[FultzNationRISE]

We still have slave labor today... traditional Slavery is alive and well in countries like Libya and Iraq, and here in the US our system of prison labor is basically pseudo slavery. If you have the misfortune of being an inmate in a state like California, you will more or less be forced to do dangerous and backbreaking work fighting forest fires for ~$1/day


Yes, if you have the gosh darn bad luck of being a violent felon, then youre robbed of the comfy and serene prison existence youre entitled to on a public dime, and may have to spend your time repaying a debt to society.


Those poor, misfortunate souls.

[sammichoffate]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]This.

[B]The guy using that map to make his point is BLATANTLY uneducated. He thinks

[FultzNationRISE]

Lol, no comment. You're a leech on society who doesn't have the right to critique anyone else.

The point I was making is that it's not a right/left issue, it's shitty governing. You would pole vault to that conclusion though, I already said that they shouldn't be getting reparations, it would be a logistical nightmare. You throw all that shit into Haiti and surprise, they're all still in poverty.


That’s fair. I didnt see your original comment, I just saw the followup where you posted that oft misinterpreted chart and had rrr3 cheerleading for you like the brainless shemale he is.

Mistake’s on me.

[sammichoffate]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]That

[rufuspaul]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE] Someone like rrr3 will never get a group to value him as a member unless he

[Smoke117]

Sure, why not? I'll just use my half beaner card so I don't have to pay out to you niglets.

[rufuspaul]

The Irish Catholic side of my family came over here as indentured servants. Where's my ****in money? :confusedshrug:

[sammichoffate]

The Irish Catholic side of my family came over here as indentured servants. Where's my ****in money? :confusedshrug:https://media.giphy.com/media/G8aa3oXKzZRAI/giphy.gif

[FultzNationRISE]

My great ancestor was kicked out of Spain during the jewish expulsion.


I demand recompense!

[Hawker]

Ok....let's suppose that we had slavery today or something really similar, like machines that only need energy (food) but otherwise just produce without getting an income...Like robots and robotics.

You are telling me that all these companies using robots are actually wrong and that for them to prosper, they should go back to hiring people who need to be paid a salary to do the same work.

Slave labor was a key factor in making America the powerful country it is today. That's a fact. Go outside now and thank your nearest african american decendant of slaves.

Did you really just compare robots and machines to slaves?

The fact that they had to pay workers spurred the development of robots and machines in order to become more productive. IF they had slave labor, that would've never happened.

You can argue it all you want but slave labor is less effective and less productive than paid labor.

[ROCSteady]

S/O to them slave n!ggas.