Here's the yearly result if MJ took over Lebron's career from 2009-2019

[3ball]

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2009 - MJ beats Dwight and becomes the 5th non-star cast to make makes the Finals in that decade (01' Iverson, 02' Kidd, 03' Kidd, 07' Lebron, 09' Dwight).... Mo's 18 on 38% is easily enough to beat the #4 SRS Magic, given that MJ beat the #1 SRS team in 1989 with less offense from his 2nd option and much weaker team defense than those 2009 Cavs had.

2010 - MJ breezes to the Finals again.. Jamison averages the same 22 ppg that he averaged before joining the Cavs and is considered a bonafide sidekick and superstar.. Shaq's stats remain at the 18/8 level they were in 2009, when he was all-star MVP (he dropped to 12/7 as the 4th option in Bron-ball)..

2011 - MJ wins 65+ games and sweeps the Finals against Dallas

2012 - MJ wins 70+ games and sweeps the Finals against OKC

2013 - MJ wins 70+ games and averages 30 ppg in the first 3 games to get a 3-0 lead in the Finals (Lebron's 16 on 39% got a 2-1 deficit)

2014 - MJ wins 60+ games and wins the Finals in 6 games

2015 - MJ wins 65+ games and sweeps the Finals against Warriors

2016 - MJ wins 70+ games and wins the Finals in 5 games

2017 - MJ wins 60+ games and wins the Finals in 7 games, goat carry-job, similar to 98'

2018 - MJ wins 55 games loses his first Finals, in 6 games, then retires

2019 - MJ makes playoffs as the 8 seed and loses in 7 games to KD



It should be noted that Bosh would be an absolute superstar with the Heat - the debate would be who is #2 option between Wade and Bosh.. So in the 2014 Finals, the Heat would have Bosh to call upon - but more importantly, the Heat's brand of ball wouldn't be inferior or getting blown away, so Wade's stats in the Finals would remain the same as the ECF - 20/5/5 on 55%, or thereabouts.
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[Lebron23]

Do you smoked some weed after you made this thread?

[elementally morale]

Okay.

[3ball]

Do you smoked some weed after you made this thread?
Yes infact, I'm about to right now before I read the responses.

although you guys have been disappointing me lately.. it ebbs and flows like anything else

[ZenMaster7210]

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2009 - MJ beats Dwight and becomes the 5th non-star cast to make makes the Finals in that decade (01' Iverson, 02' Kidd, 03' Kidd, 07' Lebron, 09' Dwight).... Mo's 18 on 38% is easily enough to beat the #4 SRS Magic, given that MJ beat the #1 SRS team in 1989 with less offense from his 2nd option and much weaker team defense than those 2009 Cavs had.

2010 - MJ breezes to the Finals again.. Jamison averages the same 22 ppg that he averaged before joining the Cavs and is considered a bonafide sidekick and superstar.. Shaq's stats remain at the 18/8 level they were in 2009, when he was all-star MVP (he dropped to 12/7 as the 4th option in Bron-ball)..

2011 - MJ wins 65+ games and sweeps the Finals against Dallas

2012 - MJ wins 70+ games and sweeps the Finals against OKC

2013 - MJ wins 70+ games and wins the Finals in 5 games

2014 - MJ wins 60+ games and wins the Finals in 6 games

2015 - MJ wins 65+ games and sweeps the Finals against Warriors

2016 - MJ wins 70+ games and wins the Finals in 5 games

2017 - MJ wins 60+ games and wins the Finals in 7 games

2018 - MJ wins 55 games loses his first Finals, in 6 games, then retires

2019 - MJ makes playoffs as the 8 seed and loses in 7 games to KD



It should be noted that Bosh would be an absolute superstar with the Heat - the debate would be who is #2 option between Wade and Bosh.. So in the 2014 Finals, the Heat would have Bosh to call upon - but more importantly, the Heat's brand of ball wouldn't be inferior or getting blown away, so Wade's stats in the Finals would remain the same as the ECF - 20/5/5 on 55%, or thereabouts.

:applause:

The GOAT vs the Loser Lebronze

[RRR3]

Yes infact, I'm about to right now before I read the responses.

although you guys have been disappointing me lately.. it ebbs and flows like anything else
There’s no way you smoke weed. You’re way too uptight.

[3ball]

2009 - MJ beats Dwight and becomes the 5th non-star cast to make makes the Finals in that decade (01' Iverson, 02' Kidd, 03' Kidd, 07' Lebron, 09' Dwight).... Mo's 18 on 38% is easily enough to beat the #4 SRS Magic, given that MJ beat the #1 SRS team in 1989 with less offense from his 2nd option and much weaker team defense than those 2009 Cavs had.

2013 - MJ wins 70+ games and averages 30 ppg in the first 3 games to get a 3-0 lead in the Finals (Lebron's 16 on 39% got a 2-1 deficit)



the bolded above shows how much more dominant MJ would be.

Most teams would be down 3-0 if the star averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games like Lebron did in the 2013 Finals - but the Heat's cast carried Lebron and was only down 2-1.... So obviously, with MJ's standard 30 ppg, those Heat would've been up 3-0.

[Dray n Klay]

the bolded above shows how much more dominant MJ would be.

Most teams would be down 3-0 if the star averaged 16 on 39% for the first 3 games like Lebron did in the 2013 Finals - but the Heat's cast carried Lebron and was only down 2-1.... So obviously, with MJ's standard 30 ppg, those Heat would've been up 3-0.

How would MJ win the Finals with 4 rebounds and 2 assists, when LeBron lost with 12 rebounds and 10 assists?

[bigkingsfan]

2018 - MJ wins 55 games loses his first Finals, in 6 games, then retires

2019 - MJ makes playoffs as the 8 seed and loses in 7 games to KD


:roll:

[PP34Deuce]

The bulls really need a 2 way star. Lavine shouldnt be starting

[elementally morale]

The bulls really need a 2 way star. Lavine shouldnt be starting


Jordan would score 130 points on average while holding the opponent to -25. He just doesn't feel like doing it.

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan would score 130 points on average while holding the opponent to -25. He just doesn't feel like doing it.
OP's being way too modest. He obviously wins 11 in a row

[3ball]

OP's being way too modest. He obviously wins 11 in a row
no one thought that Russell's 8 straight was possible in the modern era, but the goat showed that it was possible... but he basically said "screw y'all and the record books, I want to play baseball to grieve my Dad, plus I'm already the best.."

if guys like hughes, jamison, bosh and love weren't reduced, those teams look like utter juggernauts and MJ would've won every single year

[Ainosterhaspie]

[Ainosterhaspie]

https://media.giphy.com/media/JSemy1zGoby2EsaNgM/giphy.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

no one thought that Russell's 8 straight was possible in the modern era, but the goat showed that it was possible... but he basically said "screw y'all and the record books, I want to play baseball to grieve my Dad, plus I'm already the best.."

if guys like hughes, jamison, bosh and love weren't reduced, those teams look like utter juggernauts and MJ would've won every single year
Agreed bro :cheers:

But I still think you're being too modest. Jordan probably racks up a few more chips his first 5 years in the league, where despite some of the best rosters in the league, LeBron failed to win a single title.

He's probably looking at 14 rings minimum

[MaxPlayer]

Agreed bro :cheers:

But I still think you're being too modest. Jordan probably racks up a few more chips his first 5 years in the league, where despite some of the best rosters in the league, LeBron failed to win a single title.

He's probably looking at 14 rings minimum

Jordan could have beaten Kim Jong Il at golf if he wanted to.

[Manny98]

Never change 3ball :lol

[3ball]

Agreed bro :cheers:

But I still think you're being too modest. Jordan probably racks up a few more chips his first 5 years in the league, where despite some of the best rosters in the league, LeBron failed to win a single title.

He's probably looking at 14 rings minimum


Did I say that MJ would win the title with Lebron's teams through 2010?

I never said that - I said that MJ beats Dwight in 2009, thus becoming the 5th non-star cast to make the Finals in that decade (01' Iverson, 02' Kidd, 03' Kidd, 07' Lebron, 09' Dwight).... And we know that Mo's 18 on 38% is enough to beat the #4 SRS Magic, since MJ beat the #1 SRS team in 1989 with less offense from his 2nd option and much weaker team defense than those 2009 Cavs had.

^^^ that's a cogent argument brah.. you're just a hater.. :rolleyes:.. :kobe:.. (btw, I do think that MJ would've beaten Kobe for 1 of those Finals, either 09' or 10')

Regarding the early years (2004 and 2005) - MJ would've carried those lottery casts to low seeds and gotten beaten in the first round by the champs - that's what happens to lottery casts that get carried to low seeds - but Lebron never carried a lottery cast to the playoffs (missed the playoffs 3 times with casts that were lottery the prior year), and only made the playoffs with good teams/high seeds, thus allowing easy 1st round matchups/inflated resume

^^^ Again, another cogent argument... they aren't really "arguments" tbh... it's just informing people of the facts

[NBAGOAT]

how is winning 70+ games in a 66 game season a fact :oldlol:? I'm assuming you think the heat go like 58-8 with mj, sounds a bit ridiculous honestly. You can talk team chemistry or mj's the undisputed goat all you want.

you dont really think someone is 12 wins better than prime lebron. That's more than the difference between an all-nba guy and a non all star(for example there's no way klay thompson is worth 12 more wins than eric gordon).

Edit: and you said mj loses his first finals in 2018 so yes it is a safe assumption you have him winning in both 2009 and 2010 if you have him making the finals both years. I'm surprised the kobe fans havent come out in force

[SouBeachTalents]

Did I say that MJ would win the title with Lebron's teams through 2010?

I never said that - I said that MJ beats Dwight in 2009, thus becoming the 5th non-star cast to make the Finals in that decade (01' Iverson, 02' Kidd, 03' Kidd, 07' Lebron, 09' Dwight).... And we know that Mo's 18 on 38% is enough to beat the #4 SRS Magic, since MJ beat the #1 SRS team in 1989 with less offense from his 2nd option and much weaker team defense than those 2009 Cavs had.

^^^ that's a cogent argument brah.. you're just a hater.. :rolleyes:.. :kobe:

Regarding the early years (2004 and 2005) - MJ would've carried those lottery casts to low seeds and gotten beaten in the first round by the champs - that's what happens to lottery casts that get carried to low seeds - but Lebron never carried a lottery cast to the playoffs (missed the playoffs 3 times with casts that were lottery the prior year), and only made the playoffs with good teams/high seeds, thus allowing easy 1st round matchups/inflated resume

^^^ Again, another cogent argument... they aren't really "arguments" tbh... it's just informing people of the facts
Well you simply don't have as much belief in Jordan as I do. Put Jordan on those Cavs teams I really think he wins titles in '06-'08

[RRR3]

Well you simply don't have as much belief in Jordan as I do. Put Jordan on those Cavs teams I really think he wins titles in '06-'08
Hater. MJ would win in 04 and 05 too.

[SouBeachTalents]

Hater. MJ would win in 04 and 05 too.
Well let's not be illogical here. I think my and OP's prediction of 11-14 titles in that time frame is reasonable, you're just being ridiculous

[3ball]

Hater. MJ would win in 04 and 05 too.
Regarding the early years (2004 and 2005) - MJ would've carried those lottery casts to low seeds and gotten beaten in the first round by the champs - that's what happens to lottery casts that get carried to low seeds - but Lebron never carried a lottery cast to the playoffs (missed the playoffs 3 times with casts that were lottery the prior year), and only made the playoffs with good teams/high seeds, thus allowing easy 1st round matchups/inflated resume

Also, the 08' Cavs took the Celtics 7 games despite LeBron's 26 on 35%, so they win with MJ obviously.. I could see MJ beating Kobe in the 08' Finals

[Trollsmasher]

fanfiction.net

[3ball]

fanfiction.net
This isn't fiction:

Lebron never carried a lottery cast to the playoffs (missed the playoffs 3 times with casts that were lottery the prior year), and only made the playoffs with good teams/high seeds, thus allowing easy 1st round matchups/inflated resume

So he never carried truly bad teams, and only had good teams every time he made the playoffs

Also, we know that Mo's 18 on 38% was enough help to beat the #4 SRS Magic in 2009, since MJ beat the #1 SRS team in 1989 with less offense from his 2nd option and much weaker team defense than those 2009 Cavs had.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Take the needle out of your arm.

[StrongLurk]

Imagine a 43 year old being physically and mentally in love with MJ :lol

Oh wait, we don't have to imagine.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Pete Meyers took over MJs job in 94 and only won 2 less games

Lebron probably goes undefeated with any of those championship Bulls teams, most stacked team ever relative to comp.

Jordan's rings dont count

[3ball]

Take the needle out of your arm.

Thread Cliffs:


- MJ makes the 2009 Finals

- MJ makes the 2010 Finals

- MJ wins the 2011 Finals

- MJ wins the 2014 Finals

- MJ makes the playoffs as a low seed in 2005

- MJ beats the Celtics in 2008 (Josh Smith almost did, and the Cavs almost did with Lebron at 26 on 35%)

[egokiller]

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2009 - MJ beats Dwight and becomes the 5th non-star cast to make makes the Finals in that decade (01' Iverson, 02' Kidd, 03' Kidd, 07' Lebron, 09' Dwight).... Mo's 18 on 38% is easily enough to beat the #4 SRS Magic, given that MJ beat the #1 SRS team in 1989 with less offense from his 2nd option and much weaker team defense than those 2009 Cavs had.

2010 - MJ breezes to the Finals again.. Jamison averages the same 22 ppg that he averaged before joining the Cavs and is considered a bonafide sidekick and superstar.. Shaq's stats remain at the 18/8 level they were in 2009, when he was all-star MVP (he dropped to 12/7 as the 4th option in Bron-ball)..

2011 - MJ wins 65+ games and sweeps the Finals against Dallas

2012 - MJ wins 70+ games and sweeps the Finals against OKC

2013 - MJ wins 70+ games and averages 30 ppg in the first 3 games to get a 3-0 lead in the Finals (Lebron's 16 on 39% got a 2-1 deficit)

2014 - MJ wins 60+ games and wins the Finals in 6 games

2015 - MJ wins 65+ games and sweeps the Finals against Warriors

2016 - MJ wins 70+ games and wins the Finals in 5 games

2017 - MJ wins 60+ games and wins the Finals in 7 games, goat carry-job, similar to 98'

2018 - MJ wins 55 games loses his first Finals, in 6 games, then retires

2019 - MJ makes playoffs as the 8 seed and loses in 7 games to KD



It should be noted that Bosh would be an absolute superstar with the Heat - the debate would be who is #2 option between Wade and Bosh.. So in the 2014 Finals, the Heat would have Bosh to call upon - but more importantly, the Heat's brand of ball wouldn't be inferior or getting blown away, so Wade's stats in the Finals would remain the same as the ECF - 20/5/5 on 55%, or thereabouts.
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When you look at the gap in talent between the 2 players, this is actually all spot on and highly probable.

[3ball]

When you look at the gap in talent between the 2 players, this is actually all spot on and highly probable.
Forget the talent gap

The style/skills gap would allow Bosh/Wade/MJ to be a team with three 20-point scorers just like KD/Curry/Klay were - a juggernaut - the team would achieve the "not 6, not 7" domination that Lebron himself predicted

Ditto Kyrie/Love, who couldn't even win 60 with Lebron, while Klay/Dray won 70 with Curry, or Kawhi won 67 with a weak cast that I can't even remember right now.

So ultimately, if you turn Miami's 2/4 into 4/4... and then turn 1/4 with Kyrie into 2/4.... MJ would have 6 rings in Lebron's shoes... and if you add the Finals appearances from 2009/2010, that would be 11 Finals appearances and 6 rings for MJ in Lebron's shoes.. :applause:

[Faded]

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2009 - MJ beats Dwight and becomes the 5th non-star cast to make makes the Finals in that decade (01' Iverson, 02' Kidd, 03' Kidd, 07' Lebron, 09' Dwight).... Mo's 18 on 38% is easily enough to beat the #4 SRS Magic, given that MJ beat the #1 SRS team in 1989 with less offense from his 2nd option and much weaker team defense than those 2009 Cavs had.

2010 - MJ breezes to the Finals again.. Jamison averages the same 22 ppg that he averaged before joining the Cavs and is considered a bonafide sidekick and superstar.. Shaq's stats remain at the 18/8 level they were in 2009, when he was all-star MVP (he dropped to 12/7 as the 4th option in Bron-ball)..

2011 - MJ wins 65+ games and sweeps the Finals against Dallas

2012 - MJ wins 70+ games and sweeps the Finals against OKC

2013 - MJ wins 70+ games and averages 30 ppg in the first 3 games to get a 3-0 lead in the Finals (Lebron's 16 on 39% got a 2-1 deficit)

2014 - MJ wins 60+ games and wins the Finals in 6 games

2015 - MJ wins 65+ games and sweeps the Finals against Warriors

2016 - MJ wins 70+ games and wins the Finals in 5 games

2017 - MJ wins 60+ games and wins the Finals in 7 games, goat carry-job, similar to 98'

2018 - MJ wins 55 games loses his first Finals, in 6 games, then retires

2019 - MJ makes playoffs as the 8 seed and loses in 7 games to KD



It should be noted that Bosh would be an absolute superstar with the Heat - the debate would be who is #2 option between Wade and Bosh.. So in the 2014 Finals, the Heat would have Bosh to call upon - but more importantly, the Heat's brand of ball wouldn't be inferior or getting blown away, so Wade's stats in the Finals would remain the same as the ECF - 20/5/5 on 55%, or thereabouts.
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are you placing Jordan in the exact same situations as lebron?

In 2015 are you assuming he gets the same supporting cast lebron got during his 2015 finals with delly being his second option???

Ridiculous post

[Sportal]

Ok, Boomer.

[Gil Renard]

Jordan never had success against the level of competition Lebron faced. In the competitive 80