Conservatives trounce liberals in UK landslide victory. Precursor to US election?

[Long Duck Dong]

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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/12/13/world/europe/uk-general-election-results.html

LONDON

[Smoke117]

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[RRR3]

I could be wrong but I have always heard the conservatives in the UK are far more liberal than the conservatives here.

At least Boris Johnson believes climate change is an issue ffs.

[Smoke117]

I could be wrong but I have always heard the conservatives in the UK are far more liberal than the conservatives here.

At least Boris Johnson believes climate change is an issue ffs.

As long has China (the biggest polluter in the world by far) is going to do nothing there is no reason for the USA to destroy its economy over climate change.

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Conservatives now have almost twice as many members in parliament than Labour. Total devastation for liberals.

Biden and Obama wagging their fingers at Democrats warning that this could happen in the US if(well we are way past "if" at this point) the left becomes too radicalized. Medicare for all, free college for all, open borders, benefits for illegals, banning guns, massive taxes on companies, slavery reperations etc. Looks like the left has no plans on not going full libtard so things look good for the common sense people in America.

Americans just can't get their heads around our politics. This general election wasn't about Liberals vs Conservatives it was about ending the deadlock in parliament. In 2016 the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU. In 2017 Labour and the Conservatives stood on a pledge to take us out. Both parties got a huge amount of votes as people returned to their traditional parties.

The reason why Labour did so poorly last night is because in those 2 years they've flip flopped on policy and failed to truly cement their position on Brexit. Corbyn the leader has even stated that he wanted to remain neutral on this issue which just didn't sit well with many voters. Myself included.

The traditional Labour heartlands essentially loaned their vote to Boris in exchange for ending the deadlock in parliament that's been going on for the last 3.5 years. Whether you agree with Brexit or not we can now move onto the next chapter.

P.S Plenty of my friends are "Liberals" that vote Conservative.

[Derka]

The American interpretation of "conservative" and "liberal" doesn't apply everywhere universally. Conservatives in the US would consider a lot of the folks who voted Conservative in these UK elections possibly even more liberal than some of the lefty loons here in the States.

Someday, my fellow Americans will figure out that we're not the center of the universe. All of language and politics does not revolve around our interpretations of things. So...watching a dumb Democrat try to paint this as a cautionary tale while conservatives try to spin this as a victory for American conservativism are equally laughable follies.

[RRR3]

The American interpretation of "conservative" and "liberal" doesn't apply everywhere universally. Conservatives in the US would consider a lot of the folks who voted Conservative in these UK elections possibly even more liberal than some of the lefty loons here in the States.

Someday, my fellow Americans will figure out that we're not the center of the universe. All of language and politics does not revolve around our interpretations of things. So...watching a dumb Democrat try to paint this as a cautionary tale while conservatives try to spin this as a victory for American conservativism are equally laughable follies.
That’s what I thought.

[FultzNationRISE]

Americans just can't get their heads around our politics. This general election wasn't about Liberals vs Conservatives it was about ending the deadlock in parliament. In 2016 the UK as a whole voted to leave the EU. In 2017 Labour and the Conservatives stood on a pledge to take us out. Both parties got a huge amount of votes as people returned to their traditional parties.

The reason why Labour did so poorly last night is because in those 2 years they've flip flopped on policy and failed to truly cement their position on Brexit. Corbyn the leader has even stated that he wanted to remain neutral on this issue which just didn't sit well with many voters. Myself included.

The traditional Labour heartlands essentially loaned their vote to Boris in exchange for ending the deadlock in parliament that's been going on for the last 3.5 years. Whether you agree with Brexit or not we can now move onto the next chapter.

P.S Plenty of my friends are "Liberals" that vote Conservative.


I dont follow UK/EU politics very closely. The notion Ive gotten is that the biggest reason for Brexit’s support is easily the immigration/“freedom of movement” mandate, no?

Has the idea been broached to simply tell the EU they need to scratch that out of Britain’s membership requirement? Obviously the EU overlords will say no, but would they really rather see Britain leave entirely than simply allow them to stem the tide of immigration designed solely to benefit those at the top?

Like does Britain have no leverage to force that kind of compromise?

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[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]I dont follow UK/EU politics very closely. The notion Ive gotten is that the biggest reason for Brexit

[CelticBaller]

The American interpretation of "conservative" and "liberal" doesn't apply everywhere universally. Conservatives in the US would consider a lot of the folks who voted Conservative in these UK elections possibly even more liberal than some of the lefty loons here in the States.

Someday, my fellow Americans will figure out that we're not the center of the universe. All of language and politics does not revolve around our interpretations of things. So...watching a dumb Democrat try to paint this as a cautionary tale while conservatives try to spin this as a victory for American conservativism are equally laughable follies.
eh from what I've heard it goes like this

Conservatories- Center right(this is where the idea that the conservatives are "liberal" comes from)

Liberal Democrats- Center Left


Labour Party- full blown Leftist (like Sanders on steroids)

[Patrick Chewing]

#VoteBrexit

[FultzNationRISE]

The biggest reason for the vote to leave was really about Sovereignty and whether we wanted to continue down the path of unification in Europe. Sure freedom of movement was an issue for voters but not for everyone. The right wing media especially in the U.S wants to make this the focal point, often to push their own agenda. I for example voted to leave in 2016 but I don't have any issues with freedom of movement and immigration. Our former, former Prime minister David Cameron tried to negotiate on our deal but got almost no where which is what led to the referendum on membership.

My main gripe with the EU was that there are 4 Presidents at any one time (None of which we can vote for) a currency (Euro) that is slowly causing insolvency in many countries across the southern parts of Europe. Greece nearly defaulted and required a 250 Billion euro bail out, Italy looks to be next with a bail out north of 800 billion euros, then Spain, then Portugal, this is simply unsustainable. Combine that with the fact that we don't even use the currency and we contribute the 2nd largest amount of money to a political project that we've historically been resistant to and you end up with many people myself included wanting to part ways.

I don't harbour any animosity to our European neighbours, I just think our time in the EU has come to pass.


Isnt it true that not bailing out these countries will probably attract more and more immigrants to the UK tho?

You would rather have much of the EU just resettle in England, rather than do the bailouts?

Personally Id be against both, but for you that is more of an ideal compromise, yes?

[bladefd]

Precursor to USA based on what exactly?? USA had a blue wave in 2018 and Trump is still the most hated President in history of this country. More than half the country wants him impeached and convicted. Let's see next week's polls and during the trial

[Overdrive]

Labour isn't a liberal party. :lol

Your US binary terms don't work for most european partysystems.

[FultzNationRISE]

Precursor to USA based on what exactly?? USA had a blue wave in 2018 and Trump is still the most hated President in history of this country. More than half the country wants him impeached and convicted. Let's see next week's polls and during the trial



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[TheMan]

Conservatives now have almost twice as many members in parliament than Labour. Total devastation for liberals.

Biden and Obama wagging their fingers at Democrats warning that this could happen in the US if(well we are way past "if" at this point) the left becomes too radicalized. Medicare for all, free college for all, open borders, benefits for illegals, banning guns, massive taxes on companies, slavery reperations etc. Looks like the left has no plans on not going full libtard so things look good for the common sense people in America.
The Tories and the GOP have so little in common that you really shouldn't look for anything in their politics and try to apply it to US politics...first off, the Tories were largely pro universal healthcare and have never tired to kill it, second, they are fine with guns being illegal...just that by itself should give you a clue on how different both conservative parties are.

[bladefd]

The Tories and the GOP have so little in common that you really shouldn't look for anything in their politics and try to apply it to US politics...first off, the Tories were largely pro universal healthcare and have never tired to kill it, second, they are fine with guns being illegal...just that by itself should give you a clue on how different both conservative parties are.

Good luck trying to reason with Trumpeters.

[coin24]

It's about time, the people voted to leave the EU years ago..
The people are sick of taking there rejects and having to pay all the shithole countries money.

Fu*k the EU.. but I don't think this has anything to do with the US:oldlol:
Maybe the lefty's there should focus on a candidate and some policies instead of wasting all there time on the impeachment nonsense..

If orange man is so bad who is the dems candidate and what are they proposing to fix things??

[diamenz]

If orange man is so bad who is the dems candidate and what are they proposing to fix things??

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[CelticBaller]

Oh yes, the man who is proposing eliminating a whole private sector alongside 2 million jobs with it

Great man to

[Manny98]

Whoever voted for Boris, kill yourself

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Isnt it true that not bailing out these countries will probably attract more and more immigrants to the UK tho?

You would rather have much of the EU just resettle in England, rather than do the bailouts?

Personally Id be against both, but for you that is more of an ideal compromise, yes?

Not bailing them out would lead to a global economic meltdown. The Eurozone economy is actually the 2nd largest in the world. Around $18 + trillion dollars in terms of GDP which is significantly larger than China, so not going along with the bail outs wasn't really an option but it obviously didn't sit well with many of us in the U.K. We voted against joining the Euro currency but are expected to help bail it out when it goes wrong. No thanks. Even though we have Freedom of movement most of the immigration has come from the former Soviet bloc, not the southern parts of Europe.

The EU has just handled a lot of thing poorly and we'll start to see Italy wobble in the next few years when their long term bonds of 800 billion Euro's reach maturity. They have zero chance of being able to pay it.

P.S The Conservative party does have some right wing social members but it really isn't as simple as what Americans think it is. Cameron our former Conservative PM got the Gay marriage law through parliament for example. The Tories tend to be economically right wing and socially leaning left. Labour is socially left and economically left. Although not as hard left as some people (Again mostly American media) make them out to be. They still support private enterprise especially small to medium sized businesses. So you don't have to be a Marxist in order to vote for them. It's just the current but soon to be replaced leader Corbyn was too left for people.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Not really an accurate comparison.
Remember Trump had total control of all branches of government for two years and then the public voted his ass kissers out of Congress and lost the majority in 2018.

[greymatter]

As long has China (the biggest polluter in the world by far) is going to do nothing there is no reason for the USA to destroy its economy over climate change.

That's a pretty stupid way of looking at it. They have over 4 times the population of the US, yet emit slightly less than double the CO2 (29% vs 16% for US for 2018). They also happen to be the #1 spender on renewable energy at over 100billion USD per year. They've gone from less than 100 miles of high speed rail to 19000+ in a little over 10 years. It's more than the rest of the world combined.

The US doesn't even have more than 2-3 major cities with a decent subway system. Then you also have states like fcking Texas where almost everyone and their inbred cousin wants to own a full sized SUV or pickup or both.

[nathanjizzle]

UK is very different from US

[Long Duck Dong]

UK is very different from US

Celebrities melting down, "anti-fascists" in the streets violently protesting, blaming white privilege and racism for the outcome, wishing harm to the politicians who won, doomsday predictions(more than usual), etc etc

Yup. A LOT different than the US. :oldlol:

[rufuspaul]

Celebrities melting down, "anti-fascists" in the streets violently protesting, blaming white privilege and racism for the outcome, wishing harm to the politicians who won, doomsday predictions(more than usual), etc etc

Yup. A LOT different than the US. :oldlol:


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[Long Duck Dong]

The Tories and the GOP have so little in common that you really shouldn't look for anything in their politics and try to apply it to US politics...first off, the Tories were largely pro universal healthcare and have never tired to kill it, second, they are fine with guns being illegal...just that by itself should give you a clue on how different both conservative parties are.

Regardless, Labour has a LOT in common with US liberals. Mass immigration, globalist agendas, screaming racist at everything, using climate change as a tool to push agendas through and as a catch all political weapon, criminalizing free speech and people who use gender pronouns "incorrectly", pushing for the destruction of individuality etc etc.

Just like with Trump. Lots of people didn't vote for conservatives. They voted against the libtard's war on common sense people

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Regardless, Labour has a LOT in common with US liberals. Mass immigration, globalist agendas, screaming racist at everything, using climate change as a tool to push agendas through and as a catch all political weapon, criminalizing free speech and people who use gender pronouns "incorrectly", pushing for the destruction of individuality etc etc.

Just like with Trump. Lots of people didn't vote for conservatives. They voted against the libtard's war on common sense people

As I've already said Labour lost seats because they completely u-turned on Brexit from the 2017 vote. The entire front bench came out in support for remain including the chancellor when they specifically said policy in the 2017 GE would be to leave. Stop talking about something you clearly have no idea about.

[diamenz]

Regardless, Labour has a LOT in common with US liberals. Mass immigration, globalist agendas, screaming racist at everything, using climate change as a tool to push agendas through and as a catch all political weapon, criminalizing free speech and people who use gender pronouns "incorrectly", pushing for the destruction of individuality etc etc.

Just like with Trump. Lots of people didn't vote for conservatives. They voted against the libtard's war on common sense people

u know, they ARE liberals/democrats/progressives that don't at all fit the bill to what you're bitching about. as a matter of fact, the majority of them are very reasonable everyday people. u saying that shit is about the same as calling right wingers gun totin' hillbilly meth addicts that **** their cousins and chew on dip all day. same shit. stop being over the top ridiculous.

[CelticBaller]

Regardless, Labour has a LOT in common with US liberals. Mass immigration, globalist agendas, screaming racist at everything, using climate change as a tool to push agendas through and as a catch all political weapon, criminalizing free speech and people who use gender pronouns "incorrectly", pushing for the destruction of individuality etc etc.

Just like with Trump. Lots of people didn't vote for conservatives. They voted against the libtard's war on common sense people

As I've already said Labour lost seats because they completely u-turned on Brexit from the 2017 vote. The entire front bench came out in support for remain including the chancellor when they specifically said policy in the 2017 GE would be to leave. Stop talking about something you clearly have no idea about.


Lol I love how the lefts answer to people rejecting leftist ideas (socialism, globalism) is go further into the left