Kobe deserves a high ranking because everyone always says that...

[3ball]

he comes the closest to matching the widely-considered goat, MJ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fhpVE5Yfvhc&t=01m57s


if he comes closest to matching the style, repertoire (exceeds it actually), and assassin mentality, why wouldn't he be ranked above a lot of the regular top 10 guys who everyone says have inferior styles?

[tpols]

Kobe's genius is incomprehensible to most fans too caught up in the slander that was always levied against him.

He's like the michelangelo of basketball.

[FKAri]

Because he sucks

[MaxPlayer]

Because substance > "style"

[superduper]

Kobe will always be more respected than Bran

[Smoke117]

Nah, Kobe has always been more comparable to a 2nd threepeat Jordan. Closest to a prime Jordan was Wade. Again, if his body had cooperated he would have been top 10.

[warriorfan]

Because substance > "style"

That’s why Kobe has 5 rings and went back to back with a Chris Bosh level player as his second best teammate. Sounds legit.

[Trollsmasher]

one of those threads where 3ball reveals himself to be a kobetard working the long con by stanning MJ:lol

[Uncle Drew]

Kobe will always be more respected than Bran
People who respect rapists are rapists themselves.

[IllegalD]

Nah, Kobe has always been more comparable to a 2nd threepeat Jordan. Closest to a prime Jordan was Wade. Again, if his body had cooperated he would have been top 10.


Back on sauce again, buddy? You should consider alcoholics anonymous.

[Keno]

Kobe is a wannabe, less efficient jordan. Context and factual evidence points to kobe being average or even below that.

Meanwhile Harden this season is better than both Kobe and Jordan, scoring, shooting and efficiency wise. Climbing the charts fairly quickly.

[AirBonner]

The one time op doesn

[ImKobe]

Nah, Kobe has always been more comparable to a 2nd threepeat Jordan. Closest to a prime Jordan was Wade. Again, if his body had cooperated he would have been top 10.

:roll:

[bigkingsfan]

Shaq won a finals with a scoring burden of 38 vs 15. So Pippen > Kobe

[Rico2016]

This has been your ploy since the beginning. Attempt to elevate MJ above all that do not play MJ's ball hog non play making brand of basketball. Bring Kobe out of top 12 for trying to be similar to MJ. Didn't work before, doesn't work now.

[3ball]

This has been your ploy since the beginning. Attempt to elevate MJ above all that do not play MJ's ball hog non play making brand of basketball. Bring Kobe out of top 12 for trying to be similar to MJ. Didn't work before, doesn't work now.
people called MJ a ball-hog in the 80's, but teammates were actually growing by leaps and bounds alongside him..

And his improving cast was the changing factor that allowed winning, not MJ passing more - MJ averaged 6 assists in the 80's, including an 8 assist season.. So he was always a good passer - that never changed - the thing that changed was his cast got better (which proved that his game was infact optimal and helped teammates)

But while MJ's game improved a rookie team into champions, Lebron's game can't develop teammates because his style turns them into spot-up shooters, thus needing ready-made stars/teams to win (acquired via team-hopping/collusion).. Lebron simply avoided the career-losing fate of fellow ball-dominators (cp3, nash, etc) by team-hopping for the extra talent this style needs to win.

Ultimately, Lebron's style is suboptimal - he starts at SF but then shares PG duties with the PG - this creates a 2 point guard lineup that gives teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in 1-PG lineups, thus causing low TEAM assists and a brand that struggles on the championship level, aka 3/9... this suboptimal style results from a skill deficit where he can't get elite stats off-ball.

[Mask the Embiid]

The second that final buzzer rang in during the 2000 Finals, that marked the end of any chance Kobe had of being a top 10 player all-time.Shaq winning that ring basically by himself put a black mark on Kobe's legacy for all eternity. Nothing he could of did would of removed that mark from his legacy.


Then you add in him quitting during game 7 vs the suns.....The guy is just doomed to be outside of the top 10 looking in forever.He could of won 6 str8 rings and that still would of never put him pass MJ with all those marks on his legacy


Winning rings as a second banana means nothing when it comes to the all-time rankings....why do you think no one has John Havlicek in there top 10

[72-10]

Kobe could create his own shot better than anyone else besides MJ. That uses more skill than anything else does. He created space between him and the defender(s) and used a pallet of difficult shots, mostly from mid-range that most players just don't have in their arsenal. His ability to do this is also partly why he drew more double and triple teams on the wing than anyone besides MJ.

[72-10]

people called MJ a ball-hog in the 80's, but teammates were actually growing by leaps and bounds alongside him..

And his improving cast was the changing factor that allowed winning, not MJ passing more - MJ averaged 6 assists in the 80's, including an 8 assist season.. So he was always a good passer - that never changed - the thing that changed was his cast got better (which proved that his game was infact optimal and helped teammates)

But while MJ's game improved a rookie team into champions, Lebron's game can't develop teammates because his style turns them into spot-up shooters, thus needing ready-made stars/teams to win (acquired via team-hopping/collusion).. Lebron simply avoided the career-losing fate of fellow ball-dominators (cp3, nash, etc) by team-hopping for the extra talent this style needs to win.

Ultimately, Lebron's style is suboptimal - he starts at SF but then shares PG duties with the PG - this creates a 2 point guard lineup that gives teammates less hold-time and assists than they get in 1-PG lineups, thus causing low TEAM assists and a brand that struggles on the championship level, aka 3/9... this suboptimal style results from a skill deficit where he can't get elite stats off-ball.

MJ wasn't a ball stopper in the team's offense and got his points more within the flow of the team's offense. He didn't make poor decisions with the ball like Kobe often did i.e. Kobe would shoot out of a triple team rather than elect to pass to the open man (this was often Shaq with single coverage). Jordan was also better at the passing the ball, such as threading the needle in traffic. Kobe never saw a shot he didn't like.

[And1AllDay]

kobe is ranked above mike for the record, kobe can shoot has better range and better defense then mike

mike and kobe are tired for scoring since mike played mailmen and kobe fought off duncan, kg and dwight howard

mike also had pippen for 8 years so nice try

Scottie Pippen's averages from 1991, 1992 and 1993 Finals combined:


21-9-7-2-1 on 46% for three straight Finals with elite defense? (lower DRtg than DPOY Jordan each series) :eek:

['Toine=MVP]

The whole premise is deeply flawed. MJ's "style" or more importantly a team led by a MJ type is definitely not the best. MJ is considered so great in large part because he did what he did despite what was then DEFINITELY considered not the best type to build a team around. It still isn't. But some rules have changed to help guards/wings since.

I'd agree that Kobe is the closest in style or type to MJ, but that is fairly irrelevant. Think of the NEXT closest in style. That player isn't in the top 20 on all time lists.

The premise is also flawed because a large part of greatness is the positive impact on the sport. Kobe didn't have much of that. Jordan had the most positive impact on the sport ever. Bird/Magic are the only ones with any case in that greatness criterion. Kobe is not even in the conversation for top 20 and probably not top 50 in that dept. In case this gets jumped on by any Bron stans, Bron isn't in the top 1000 as he's had a clear overall negative impact on the sport. He's clearly more talented and had a better career than Kobe though.

[AlternativeAcc.]

If MJ = Kobe, then MJ isnt even top 10

Be careful OP