wing players with def rating under 100 for full season

[And1AllDay]

2 seasons or more below 100

lebron x2 (2009, 2012)
kawhi x5 (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018)
draymond x3 (2014, 2015, 2017)
pippen x4 (1994, 1995, 1998, 2000)
tony allen x3 (2008, 2013, 2015)
artest x3 (2002, 2003, 2004)
paul george x3 (2013, 2014, 2015)



are these the greatest win defenders of nba history?

mike jordan = ZERO
bryant x1 (2000)

[Gil Renard]

Pippen > Jordan :eek:

3balt where you at?

[And1AllDay]

Pippen > Jordan :eek:

3balt where you at?

I knew pip, bran and kawhi were elite defenders compared to mike but i didnt know he had zero years of elite defense i thought he had at least one.

[Gil Renard]

I knew pip, bran and kawhi were elite defenders compared to mike but i didnt know he had zero years of elite defense i thought he had at least one.

Jordan didn

[Airupthere]

Wow that jordan must really suck on defense

[Rico2016]

Wow that jordan must really suck on defense

He obviously does not suck but he is not on anyone's level mentioned above. Clearly he is not. He is a better scorer though.

[superduper]

Lol so registration was open to allow more Jeff Bran alts to agree with eachother to create this false Bran narrative interesting

[Smoke117]

Draymond doesn't count as a perimeter player. Also, drating taken on its own doesn't mean as much as your drating in relation to your team. On the 2004 Pistons Richard Hamilton has a 99 drating and he was as mediocre defensive player as there ever was. What was the teams drating? 95.4. He's in the 90s from the simple fact that he played on such a dominant defensive team in general.

[Keno]

jordan has been always overrated on the defensive end, brain washing media changed that narrative to make him look like an untouchable god.

[Rico2016]

Lol so registration was open to allow more Jeff Bran alts to agree with eachother to create this false Bran narrative interesting

I don't think agreeing with facts are a bad thing, do you? Jordan has never had an elite defensive year. The numbers are shown. The numbers are real. Do you disagree with them?

[And1AllDay]

jordan has been always overrated on the defensive end, brain washing media changed that narrative to make him look like an untouchable god.

no doubt about it

kobe only had one season of under 100 but at least he had one mike has zero

bran had 2

elite level stuff.

playoff runs thru finals is even worse. joran again has zero season of this and bran has 2 again :oldlol:

[3ball]

bird has 5 such seasons from 80-83' and 86'

bird was also all-defense various years

bird #2 all-time behind MJ

[AirTupac]

Why does Kobe have DOUBLE the defensive selections???


Also before you answer, remember MVP is voted the same way :lol :lol :lol :lol

[SomeBlackDude]

ginobli has 6 ('03, '04, '05, '06, '07, '16). he also has a lower career drtg than everyone listed in the op.

here's the part where $tat nerds have to explain how, by the numbers, emanuel david gin

[LostCause]

Damn

Bird and Ginobili shitting on Bron defensively

[Gil Renard]

Lol so registration was open to allow more Jeff Bran alts to agree with eachother to create this false Bran narrative interesting

:roll:

There you go with alts again...this is my only account dummy, Jeff can check my IP. I know it kills you that Lebron is consensus top 3 and Kobrick is outside the top 10. Face the facts, you

[zeerghit]

Lol so registration was open to allow more Jeff Bran alts to agree with eachother to create this false Bran narrative interesting
didint i expose u as alt? should i show u AGAIN?

[Rico2016]

didint i expose u as alt? should i show u AGAIN?

Post it!!

[SomeBlackDude]

Damn

Bird and Ginobili shitting on Bron defensively

saddest part is manu played at the same exact time as bron, same era, same rules.

per the infallible drtg $tat, manu was far and away the better defensive player. 3x as many seasons of sub-100 drtg. manu at 38 years old had a 98.5 drtg which was not even close to his career best... the best prime bron, at age 27, could muster was 98.3.

boiled down- bron at his absolute peak defensively had the impact of a 38 year old ginobili.

and ginobili took 2 rings outta legoat's pockets (would be 3 without a miracle from jesus himself).

pure and utter ownage.

:biggums:

[AirTupac]

Based on Bron fans. Ginobili is a better defender than prime Bron ever was

[Rico2016]

I know these threads get everybody riled up and all of the offended Jordan fans want to twist things and find a loophole. It's pretty clear to me we aren't talking about players coming off the bench, and if you really want to narrow it down we should look at those who are scoring leaders for their team you're not defensive Specialists. If we narrow the criteria down to those that lead their team in scoring, it looks even worse for Jordan.

How was Pippen able to achieve this feat the two years Jordan left? And Jordan couldn't do it any single year of his career? That's what you should be focusing on

[AirTupac]

https://media.giphy.com/media/HH9YUliB6i2Z2/giphy.gif


:rolleyes:

[LostCause]

I'll admit I knew Bird was a good defender, didn't think he was THAT good though.

Shitting on everyone on that list except Kawhi. Maybe we should revisit the GOAT Forward talk

[SomeBlackDude]

Based on Bron fans. Ginobili is a better defender than prime Bron ever was

there's a reason why on the nba streetz, he's known as legift. if you're a small forward playing against him in the finals, being defended by ledrtg, there's pretty much a 100% chance you're gonna win finals mvp.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/1c/3f/3f1c3f325882092a9eb46098159ec54f.gif

https://images.complex.com/complex/images/c_limit,dpr_auto,q_90,w_720/fl_lossy,pg_1/bkmdpozdpx4ayumzsguk/kevin-durant-finals-mvp

https://i.postimg.cc/5yM5M5N0/gettyimages-970200608.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ff/9f/3e/ff9f3e41011cb3d99d0e10dc7323cf4b.jpg

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/CloseBackAnt-max-1mb.gif

takes a truly gifted defender to ensure that whoever he's matched up against is gonna humiliate him and win fmvp.

every time.

:bowdown:

[SomeBlackDude]

I'll admit I knew Bird was a good defender, didn't think he was THAT good though.

Shitting on everyone on that list except Kawhi. Maybe we should revisit the GOAT Forward talk

you just opened up a can of worms, friend.

career turnover ratio
legoat- 13.1
legend- 12.7

verdict: legend is clearly a better passer than leturnover. that being bron's best asset mind you.

career drtg
legoat- 103.8 (2 seasons sub 100)
legend- 101.6 (4 seasons sub 100)

verdict: clear as day. bird was far and away the better, more impactful defensive player. who in their right mind would or even could argue this?

final tally...

better offensive player- legend.
better defensive player- legend.

this is a dark sunday for lefam. nothing but exposure for their god. :ohwell:

[Trollsmasher]

we also have to account for the fact that <100 drtg in modern era > <100 drtg in plumber era because of the three pointer

LeBron > MJ, Larry by a mile

[SomeBlackDude]

we also have to account for the fact that <100 drtg in modern era > <100 drtg in plumber era because of the three pointer

LeBron > MJ, Larry by a mile

ginobili played from '02-'18, dawg.

we're gonna need more quality bullshitting from you, dawg.

[warriorfan]

[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]ginobli has 6 ('03, '04, '05, '06, '07, '16). he also has a lower career drtg than everyone listed in the op.

here's the part where $tat nerds have to explain how, by the numbers, emanuel david gin

[Trollsmasher]

ginobili played from '02-'18, dawg.

we're gonna need more quality bullshitting from you, dawg.
sub 30 minutes player

extrapolating bench player is a big :no: :no:

[Hey Yo]

ginobili played from '02-'18, dawg.

we're gonna need more quality bullshitting from you, dawg.
He also avg. almost 14 less minutes a game than LeBron.

Back to the drawing board for you, chico.

[Rico2016]

He also avg. almost 14 less minutes a game than LeBron.

Back to the drawing board for you, chico.

Right? This guy tried to find an outlier that played off the bench and never led his team in scoring as if he had a point. The desperate moves have them looking foolish indeed.

[superduper]

Post it!!

I'm curious to see what he posts as well :oldlol:

[SomeBlackDude]

He also avg. almost 14 less minutes a game than LeBron.

Back to the drawing board for you, chico.


Right? This guy tried to find an outlier that played off the bench and never led his team in scoring as if he had a point. The desperate moves have them looking foolish indeed.

lefam keeps moving that goal post. lenarrative keeps changing with every post. OK. let's see how youse bullshit your way out of this one.

ginobli ['02-'18]- 101.1 career drtg, 6 sub-100 seasons (25.4 mpg)
bowen ['96-'09]- 103.2 career drtg, 1 sub-100 season (27.6 mpg)

same/overlapping era. virtually the same minutes. on the same damn team at the same damn time.

by your estimation... who should history consider the greater defensive player- bruce bowen or manu ginobili.

:confusedshrug:

[Hey Yo]

lefam keeps moving that goal post. lenarrative keeps changing with every post. OK. let's see how youse bullshit your way out of this one.

ginobli ['02-'18]- 101.1 career drtg, 6 sub-100 seasons (25.4 mpg)
bowen ['96-'09]- 103.2 career drtg, 1 sub-100 season (27.6 mpg)

same/overlapping era. virtually the same minutes. on the same damn team at the same damn time.

by your estimation... who should history consider the greater defensive player- bruce bowen or manu ginobili.

:confusedshrug:
Every player OP used was a starter.

You're the one who used a bench player who avg. 14 less minutes played per game than LeBron, to say the bench player was better.

Yet we're the ones moving the goalpost and changing the narratives?? :oldlol:

At least you're smart enough to take the L and move on from the King.

[Turbo Slayer]

Every player OP used was a starter.

You're the one who used a bench player who avg. 14 less minutes played per game than LeBron, to say the bench player was better.

Yet we're the ones moving the goalpost and changing the narratives?? :oldlol:

At least you're smart enough to take the L and move on from the King.
LeFAM wins once again! :rockon:

[SomeBlackDude]

Every player OP used was a starter.

You're the one who used a bench player who avg. 14 less minutes played per game than LeBron, to say the bench player was better.

Yet we're the ones moving the goalpost and changing the narratives?? :oldlol:

At least you're smart enough to take the L and move on from the King.

:lol

lekang is by the $tats a worse defensive player by a good distance than larry legend... dr. j... and pistol pete... and rick barry...

buh buh buh that doesn't count because of era now.

i notice how you outright ducked the direct question i asked too.

so who do you got as a better defensive player on los spurs? manu or bruce bruce?

we know what le$ats say.

:confusedshrug:

[Rico2016]

Every player OP used was a starter.

You're the one who used a bench player who avg. 14 less minutes played per game than LeBron, to say the bench player was better.

Yet we're the ones moving the goalpost and changing the narratives?? :oldlol:

At least you're smart enough to take the L and move on from the King.

There it is! Ripped his head clean off. Move along now, "SomeBlackDude" we have defensive liabilities (Joran) to discuss.

[Rico2016]

:lol

lekang is by the $tats a worse defensive player by a good distance than larry legend... dr. j... and pistol pete... and rick barry...

buh buh buh that doesn't count because of era now.

i notice how you outright ducked the direct question i asked too.

so who do you got as a better defensive player on los spurs? manu or bruce bruce?

we know what le$ats say.

:confusedshrug:
The criteria is awfully easy to follow, even for those lacking mental capacity. Easy start: Wing players, Starters (duh), How many years below 100 DRtg

I haven't even looked up their stats and somehow I know they don't fall under this criteria.

Edit: And I was right...

Ginobli has 0 occurrences using the above criteria.

Bowen has 1x (2004) where he averaged 32 mpg (STARTER MINUTES). No one's concerned about a bench player who plays against the second squad and doesn't spend nowhere near as much energy on offense as a result. Nice try I suppose.

[Uncle Drew]

Ginobili played against second units. There's your explanation. We win AGAIN.

[bison]

This thread backfired so hard :oldlol:

[Manny98]

lebron x2 (2009, 2012)
kawhi x5 (2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2018)
draymond x3 (2014, 2015, 2017)
pippen x4 (1994, 1995, 1998, 2000)
tony allen x3 (2008, 2013, 2015)
artest x3 (2002, 2003, 2004)
paul george x3 (2013, 2014, 2015)

These are the best perimeter defenders of all time :applause:

Sorry MJ stans your boy didn't make the cut

[72-10]

i give af

[Rico2016]

These are the best perimeter defenders of all time :applause:

Sorry MJ stans your boy didn't make the cut

Crazy to think MJ had so much help on defense and was nothing special in the end. He does have 10 scoring titles at least. But he was a below average defender. Most importantly he was not a 2 way specialist at all, more of a 1 way specialist, 1 way liability.

[Gil Renard]

Damn

Bird and Ginobili shitting on Bron defensively

Bron shitting on Mike and Kobe defensively :eek: