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AussieSteve
12-16-2019, 07:34 AM
Lakers are better on both offense and defense when AD is on the bench.

Lakers with AD on: 113.19 OffRtg, 105.17 DefRtg, +8.02 NetRtg
Lakers with AD off: 114.14 OffRtg, 101.00 DefRtg, +13.14 NetRtg

That's 5.12 points per 100 better when AD sits


I know you're interested in what these numbers look like for LeBron.

Lakers with LeBron on: 116.50 OffRtg, 103.04 DefRtg, +13.47 NetRtg
Lakers with LeBron off: 105.69 OffRtg, 106.22 DefRtg, -0.53 NetRtg

That's 14.00 points per 100 worse when LeBron sits

Now that is impact!!



The kicker is that for the average 9:35 that AD is on the floor without Lebron each game, the Lakers are actually worse than their opponents.

Lakers with AD on / LeBron off: 107.16 OffRtg, 110.78 DefRtg, -3.62 NetRtg

However for the average 10:55 that LeBron is on the floor without AD, the Lakers destroy their opponents.

Lakers with LeBron on / AD off: 118.59 OffRtg, 103.25 DefRtg, +15.34 NetRtg

That's 18.96 points per 100 better with LBJ on / AD off than with AD on / LBJ off




The Lakers are actually better with LeBron on and AD off than they are with them both on.

Lakers with LeBron on / AD on: 115.61 OffRtg, 102.95 DefRtg, +12.67 NetRtg



Now, this all might be an anomoly that sorts itself out over the course of the season, but riddle me this... If AD is the MVP so far like people on here tell us he is, how is any of the above possible?



(And please don't quote numbers from the 105 mins when both are off... these are obviously junk time minutes in blow outs, as that is the only time neither are on the court.)

nayte
12-16-2019, 07:37 AM
Are you trying to say the Lakers would be better if they didn't do the trade. That's kinda the worst take ever

scuzzy
12-16-2019, 07:41 AM
https://i.postimg.cc/KjmJpL66/dgsd.jpg

LAmbruh
12-16-2019, 07:44 AM
Love me some AD but I agree, when Lebron sits are offense stalls

He is the quarterback. The floor general. The gasoline which makes our engine run

5*

stalkerforlife
12-16-2019, 07:47 AM
You can keep saying this, but the fact is, Bran is staggered to face bench players in the 2nd and 4th of every game.

And he couldn't even sniff the playoffs without AD.

These are cold hard facts and it eats you up inside.

Uncle Drew
12-16-2019, 07:54 AM
The numbers don't lie. LeBron is elevating the entire team with his mere presence.

juju151111
12-16-2019, 08:14 AM
AD plays with the bench.

AussieSteve
12-16-2019, 05:50 PM
Are you trying to say the Lakers would be better if they didn't do the trade. That's kinda the worst take ever

Not saying that at all. Come playoff time, he'll be the difference between the Lakers being contenders and not. But his impact is not currently showing up in the numbers.

FKAri
12-16-2019, 05:54 PM
It's misleading because the Lakers have serviceable bigs. When LeThanos sits, they have...Rondo.

AussieSteve
12-16-2019, 05:57 PM
You can keep saying this, but the fact is, Bran is staggered to face bench players in the 2nd and 4th of every game.

And he couldn't even sniff the playoffs without AD.

These are cold hard facts and it eats you up inside.

Here are some more numbers for you.


Lakers with LeBron on and all other starters on the bench...

135 mins. NetRtg +15.62


Lakers with AD on and all other starters on the bench...

75 mins. NetRtg -3.73


Thoughts?

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
12-16-2019, 05:57 PM
Trade AD. Or just release him.

The Lakers are CLEARLY better off without him.

I mean...STATS right?

MaxPlayer
12-16-2019, 05:59 PM
Here are some more numbers for you.


Lakers with LeBron on and all other starters on the bench...

135 mins. NetRtg +15.62


Lakers with AD on and all other starters on the bench...

75 mins. NetRtg -3.73


Thoughts?

Wait, you mean to say that Lebron is elevating scrubs, just like he's been doing his entire career?!?

:lebronamazed:

FKAri
12-16-2019, 06:00 PM
Here are some more numbers for you.


Lakers with LeBron on and all other starters on the bench...

135 mins. NetRtg +15.62


Lakers with AD on and all other starters on the bench...

75 mins. NetRtg -3.73


Thoughts?
Only losers respect bran. Winners prefer constipation.

Hoopz2332
12-16-2019, 06:00 PM
I posted this same thing week or so before that RPM metric confirmed what I already knew

https://clutchpoints.com/lakers-news-lebron-james-dominating-nba-in-espns-first-rpm-update-of-2019-20-season/

Marchesk
12-16-2019, 06:02 PM
Trade AD for Reddick and Ingraham.

Doranku
12-16-2019, 06:07 PM
Imagine actually thinking the Lakers are better without AD. :oldlol:

but mah numberz!!!!

Pathetic. Watch the game instead of researching irrelevant garbage like this.

stalkerforlife
12-17-2019, 10:45 PM
:lebronamazed:

Sportal
12-17-2019, 10:48 PM
Plenty of ISHtards on here today that don't know the difference between "sits" and DNP... Smh.

ImKobe
12-17-2019, 10:50 PM
Plenty of ISHtards on here today that don't know the difference between "sits" and DNP... Smh.


https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-04/8/20/enhanced/webdr10/anigif_enhanced-9176-1428539383-10.gif

stalkerforlife
12-17-2019, 10:51 PM
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-04/8/20/enhanced/webdr10/anigif_enhanced-9176-1428539383-10.gif

:roll:

stalkerforlife
12-18-2019, 04:51 PM
Bueller?

red1
12-18-2019, 04:53 PM
Imagine actually thinking the Lakers are better without AD. :oldlol:

but mah numberz!!!!

Pathetic. Watch the game instead of researching irrelevant garbage like this.
AD might be the best player in the league hes top-5 absolute worst even the worst lebron stan retard doesnt believe that :roll: :roll:

Hamtaro CP3KDKG
12-18-2019, 04:55 PM
https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-04/8/20/enhanced/webdr10/anigif_enhanced-9176-1428539383-10.gif
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Hamtaro CP3KDKG
12-18-2019, 04:58 PM
Plenty of ISHtards on here today that don't know the difference between "sits" and DNP... Smh.

https://i.ibb.co/sKHvsTC/24389234923423480942323443.png

Whats he doing here? I outlined him so itd be easier for u to figure out:cheers:

stalkerforlife
12-18-2019, 05:00 PM
https://i.ibb.co/sKHvsTC/24389234923423480942323443.png

Whats he doing here? I outlined him so itd be easier for u to figure out:cheers:

:roll:

FKAri
12-18-2019, 05:07 PM
https://i.ibb.co/sKHvsTC/24389234923423480942323443.png

Whats he doing here? I outlined him so itd be easier for u to figure out:cheers:
He's obviously DNP'ing Are you retarded?

tpols
12-18-2019, 05:14 PM
And the lie detector test determined ...that was a lie.

Sportal
12-18-2019, 05:29 PM
He's obviously DNP'ing Are you retarded?

Absolutely. I'm gonna have to say he is DNP'ing.

You guys realise that LeBron's fans idk, put the +/- of the teams performance in-game so far, yeah? "When LeBron sits blahblahblah, when AD sits blahblahblah +/- whatever shit", yeah? They didn't say "the Lakers are better without AD", they said in the games so far, LeBron has a better +/- than AD, with AD on the bench. This post was towards LeBron detractors. Clearly a lot of you left school at an early age, but knowing this forum... It's just one retard on 10 accounts.

kuniva_dAMiGhTy
12-18-2019, 05:41 PM
Plenty of ISHtards on here today that don't know the difference between "sits" and DNP... Smh.

Good job pointing out the "technicality". Very astute of you.

How many hoops did you jump through before hitting submit?

stalkerforlife
12-19-2019, 11:30 PM
OP has been quiet lately.

Snow
08-13-2020, 03:26 PM
OP has been quiet lately.

I agree

Shogon
08-13-2020, 03:38 PM
I agree

Aren't you DaHeezy? Probably the last post you should be quoting.

34-24 Footwork
08-13-2020, 03:53 PM
Agreed.

bison
08-13-2020, 04:04 PM
Cohesiveness and purpose seem to suffer when Roid sits. Defense goes down when ADMVP sits. Damn I miss Avery Bradley.

34-24 Footwork
08-13-2020, 04:11 PM
I really hope he isn't THIS bad in the playoffs or they're looking at a first round exit...which would be no fun.

And to be honest, I don't think the media would be as lenient and delicate with him after he pushed hard for the season to come back.