What TRUE 90s ball looks like

[superduper]

https://youtu.be/28y59DjqVvs?t=84

The above video and this thread is made for the purpose of countering that clear agenda-driven thread that was made to discredit the 80s/90s brand of NBA basketball by showing... a college game... and making fun of a college game comparing it to an...NBA game :wtf:

Disregarding the questionable logic displayed by the OP and his comrades in the previous thread, please see true 90s basketball style of play in the NBA and the difference in the physical defense compared to what is "allowed" today.

Enjoy :cheers:

[bullettooth]

Too much contact. I would have faked a groin injury and sat out for a couple months.

[Uncle Drew]

Too much contact. I would have faked a groin injury and sat out for a couple months.
Torn ****** would be more probable in your case. Yo mama joke ain't going to cut it.

[ArbitraryWater]

Lmao at OP just leeching off a series that was already repeatedly mentioned and is the go-to cop-out for 90stards...

OP wouldnt have known this video even existed before it was mentioned here

[FKAri]

The level of play in this video ain't doing you any favors...
Also, imagine bragging about a rivalry with the Knicks :oldlol:

[superduper]

The level of play in this video ain't doing you any favors...
Also, imagine bragging about a rivalry with the Knicks :oldlol:

Epitome of a low IQ Bran response.

What does "L0lKnicks!!" have to do with the contending team they put up in the 90s?

[Showtime80']

Here's Steve Nash a guy who was one of the many benefactors of the soft rule changes and played since the mid/late 90's spitting knowledge on the differences between the styles at the 14:38 mark :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHN3d9bpJ-g&t=915s

Here's the excerpt:

Steve Nash says about Grant Hill and the old school game "It was a different game then. They could put two hands on you, they could forearm you, they could knock you down, it was SUPER PHYSICAL and for him to be able to do it in an era where there were less possessions and it was LIKE WRESTLING out there!!!

Bill Simmons: "And then David Stern CHANGED THE RULES so you could succeed, you were the IMPETUS!!!"

Steve Nash: "Laughs! Changed my career. It think David Stern saw me and said this poor kid, if they can put their hands on him HE'S COOKED!!!"

Here's Vince and Kobe driving home the nail in the coffin on the powder puff modern league:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk4xFL011XE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v9IJp5Oc6g

Basically not even players FROM THIS ERA respect what the game has become specially the rule enhanced posers like Harden, Curry, Dumbrick, LeBald or Giannis. They mock and laugh at it at every turn and even the fans are turning away from the sham the league has become.

Go ahead and find clips of guys who played in the 80's/90's slamming it the way these guys above are doing it. Good luck!

[Turbo Slayer]

Umm no

[superduper]

Here's Steve Nash a guy who was one of the many benefactors of the soft rule changes and played since the mid/late 90's spitting knowledge on the differences between the styles at the 14:38 mark :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHN3d9bpJ-g&t=915s

Here's the excerpt:

Steve Nash says about Grant Hill and the old school game "It was a different game then. They could put two hands on you, they could forearm you, they could knock you down, it was SUPER PHYSICAL and for him to be able to do it in an era where there were less possessions and it was LIKE WRESTLING out there!!!

Bill Simmons: "And then David Stern CHANGED THE RULES so you could succeed, you were the IMPETUS!!!"

Steve Nash: "Laughs! Changed my career. It think David Stern saw me and said this poor kid, if they can put their hands on him HE'S COOKED!!!"

Here's Vince and Kobe driving home the nail in the coffin on the powder puff modern league:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk4xFL011XE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v9IJp5Oc6g

Basically not even players FROM THIS ERA respect what the game has become specially the rule enhanced posers like Harden, Curry, Dumbrick, LeBald or Giannis. They mock and laugh at it at every turn and even the fans are turning away from the sham the league has become.

Go ahead and find clips of guys who played in the 80's/90's slamming it the way these guys above are doing it. Good luck!

Bro I am truly sorry you had to post all of this factual ether based on reality because the responses you receive back will be cringe one liners that make no sense and boxscore statsheets from people that literally watch basketball on Microsoft Excel.

Excellent post though :cheers:

[bullettooth]

Torn ****** would be more probable in your case. Yo mama joke ain't going to cut it.

LeBron knows :(

[SomeBlackDude]

Here's Steve Nash a guy who was one of the many benefactors of the soft rule changes and played since the mid/late 90's spitting knowledge on the differences between the styles at the 14:38 mark :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHN3d9bpJ-g&t=915s

Here's the excerpt:

Steve Nash says about Grant Hill and the old school game "It was a different game then. They could put two hands on you, they could forearm you, they could knock you down, it was SUPER PHYSICAL and for him to be able to do it in an era where there were less possessions and it was LIKE WRESTLING out there!!!

Bill Simmons: "And then David Stern CHANGED THE RULES so you could succeed, you were the IMPETUS!!!"

Steve Nash: "Laughs! Changed my career. It think David Stern saw me and said this poor kid, if they can put their hands on him HE'S COOKED!!!"

Here's Vince and Kobe driving home the nail in the coffin on the powder puff modern league:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk4xFL011XE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v9IJp5Oc6g

Basically not even players FROM THIS ERA respect what the game has become specially the rule enhanced posers like Harden, Curry, Dumbrick, LeBald or Giannis. They mock and laugh at it at every turn and even the fans are turning away from the sham the league has become.

Go ahead and find clips of guys who played in the 80's/90's slamming it the way these guys above are doing it. Good luck!

:applause:

carries much more weight when it's guys who lived through and played in multiple eras, under different rules saying this. they're not speaking in hypotheticals, they lived it for real.

players now can't appreciate how good they have it because that's all they've ever known.

[bigkingsfan]

Wait for it :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28y59DjqVvs&t=19m55s

[superduper]

:applause:

carries much more weight when it's guys who lived through and played in multiple eras, under different rules saying this. they're not speaking in hypotheticals, they lived it for real.

players now can't appreciate how good they have it because that's all they've ever known.

And EVEN the kids that do play in this era recognize it for the joke that it is as can be demonstrated by:


"It's a bit too much stats, nobody can compare to Michael Jordan".
-Luka "30pt trip dub GAWD" Doncic

[superduper]

Wait for it :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28y59DjqVvs&t=19m55s

What... a dude slipping on a wet spot? :wtf:

[FKAri]

Here's Steve Nash a guy who was one of the many benefactors of the soft rule changes and played since the mid/late 90's spitting knowledge on the differences between the styles at the 14:38 mark :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHN3d9bpJ-g&t=915s

Here's the excerpt:

Steve Nash says about Grant Hill and the old school game "It was a different game then. They could put two hands on you, they could forearm you, they could knock you down, it was SUPER PHYSICAL and for him to be able to do it in an era where there were less possessions and it was LIKE WRESTLING out there!!!

Bill Simmons: "And then David Stern CHANGED THE RULES so you could succeed, you were the IMPETUS!!!"

Steve Nash: "Laughs! Changed my career. It think David Stern saw me and said this poor kid, if they can put their hands on him HE'S COOKED!!!"

Here's Vince and Kobe driving home the nail in the coffin on the powder puff modern league:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uk4xFL011XE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9v9IJp5Oc6g

Basically not even players FROM THIS ERA respect what the game has become specially the rule enhanced posers like Harden, Curry, Dumbrick, LeBald or Giannis. They mock and laugh at it at every turn and even the fans are turning away from the sham the league has become.

Go ahead and find clips of guys who played in the 80's/90's slamming it the way these guys above are doing it. Good luck!
Nash is a very humble guy. Kerr on other hand is an arrogant braggart. Yet Kerr, a 6-time champion admits he wouldn't have been able to survive in the league today. Interesting how that works. And let's not even get into what Oscar, Kareem and Wilt have said about the 90s :oldlol:


Wait for it :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28y59DjqVvs&t=19m55s
Mama there goes that scrub! You know I feel most sorry for the fans back then because they didn't know any better. They thought this was high level basketball. Scrubs like Mark Jackson were stealing money straight from their pockets.

[superduper]

Nash is a very humble guy. Kerr on other hand is an arrogant braggart. Yet Kerr, a 6-time champion admits he wouldn't have been able to survive in the league today. Interesting how that works. And let's not even get into what Oscar, Kareem and Wilt have said about the 90s :oldlol:

None of which have played in the 90s next :oldlol:

[SomeBlackDude]

What... a dude slipping on a wet spot? :wtf:

advanced, super modern slippage>>>>

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/1c/3f/3f1c3f325882092a9eb46098159ec54f.gif


Kerr on other hand is an arrogant braggart. Yet Kerr, a 6-time champion admits he wouldn't have been able to survive in the league today.

:lol

dude is as self-deprecating as they come. but yeah, the dude with the highest 3-pt shooting% in nba history wouldn't be able to survive in this 3-pt shotjacking era :rolleyes:

[Keno]

what a joke of an era, no wonder why no takes that shit serious. :oldlol:

[superduper]

advanced, super modern slippage>>>>

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/1c/3f/3f1c3f325882092a9eb46098159ec54f.gif




dude is as self-deprecating as they come. but yeah, the dude with the highest 3-pt shooting% in nba history wouldn't be able to survive in this 3-pt shotjacking era :rolleyes:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[FKAri]

advanced, super modern slippage>>>>

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3f/1c/3f/3f1c3f325882092a9eb46098159ec54f.gif



:lol

dude is as self-deprecating as they come. but yeah, the dude with the highest 3-pt shooting% in nba history wouldn't be able to survive in this 3-pt shotjacking era :rolleyes:
Look at that lightning quick, skilled 7 footer with a better jumper than MJ going at it against a 6'9 275lbs behemoth with a better everything than MJ. The skill...the power...the unapologetic thiccness :eek:


Meanwhile...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekHYxTHEHf0
:facepalm

We all need to be able to accept the horrid history of basketball before we will ever be able to move forward from it as a society. But some old curmudgeons are holding us ALL back.

[superduper]

The fact that people need to cringe-ly and blatantly troll about the topic should be enough to prove the premise in the OP.

[Showtime80']

Funny you should mention Steve Kerr, here's what he has to say about the rise of Stephy and how rule changes played a part:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHoD9UCBgcs

LOL!

Steve would do the same thing he did back then, stand around wide open and wait for kick outs from double teams but instead of shooting three 3's per game he would bump it up to 8/10 a game and become an all-star ala Kyle Korver, pathetic!

[SomeBlackDude]

Look at that lightning quick, skilled 7 footer with a better jumper than MJ going at it against a 6'9 275lbs behemoth with a better everything than MJ. The skill...the power...the unapologetic thiccness :eek:


[QUOTE]Kevin Durant could not bench-press 185 pounds one time at NBA combine

The Combine, an event running May 9-14 in Chicago, has draft prospects run, jump and lift weights to give evaluators a feel for their athleticism. But Durant, who participated in the events 10 years ago, thinks prospects should stay home. He recently spoke about his experience, when strength coaches laughed at him when he tried to lift weights (via ESPN):

[B]I was like,

[Manny98]

https://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball/2018/5/14/17354582/steve-kerr-no-way-could-have-played-in-nba-warriors-rockets-western-conference-finals-playoffs

[Showtime80']

Why don't you try these series on for size FKari:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4vnXJ_xpY8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFfo1fZTKCU

Michael faced 6 straight seasons of this in the playoffs from 1988 to 1993 at the hands of the Pistons and Knicks! None of today's cream puff divas would tolerate that atmosphere specially being put in MJ's place with no spacing, hand checking and hard fouls.

Like Kobe said in the video:

"Kids might be a little too sensitive for that physicality these days"!!!

That's why the NBA changed the rules so soft millennial players and fans like Kari could digest a sanitized game that doesn't hurt anyone's feelings. David Stern, Rob Thorn, Jerry Colangelo and Stu Jackson basically played the role of suburban soccer moms thanks to the dumbed down AAU culture that has ruined the NBA since the mid 90's

[FKAri]

Funny you should mention Steve Kerr, here's what he has to say about the rise of Stephy and how rule changes played a part:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHoD9UCBgcs

LOL!

Steve would do the same thing he did back then, stand around wide open and wait for kick outs from double teams but instead of shooting three 3's per game he would bump it up to 8/10 a game and become an all-star ala Kyle Korver, pathetic!
His defender would be closer to him in today's era so he'd be even worse. And of course he'd be targeted on the other end. You can't hide on D like you could in the 90s.

In the end this is all he said; she said (let's be clear, I'm the "he"). What it's ultimately about is the pisspoor shitshow called professional basketball in the 90s that we have footage of. Where an up and under was a highlight play. Where making a 10 foot jumper got fans on their feet. Those poor fans... They just didn't know :(


Why don't you try these series on for size FKari:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4vnXJ_xpY8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFfo1fZTKCU

Michael faced 6 straight seasons of this in the playoffs from 1988 to 1993 at the hands of the Pistons and Knicks! None of today's cream puff divas would tolerate that atmosphere specially being put in MJ's place with no spacing, hand checking and hard fouls.

Like Kobe said in the video:

"Kids might be a little too sensitive for that physicality these days"!!!

That's why the NBA changed the rules so soft millennial players and fans like Kari could digest a sanitized game that doesn't hurt anyone's feelings. David Stern, Rob Thorn, Jerry Colangelo and Stu Jackson basically played the role of suburban soccer moms thanks to the dumbed down AAU culture that has ruined the NBA since the mid 90's

Again we see a video of cheap shots and guys getting punched/shoved being presented as evidence of high level basketball in the 90s. Your honor, I rest my case but am willing to offer a shovel so that the defense may continue to dig its own grave.

[Showtime80']

Here's Hubie Brown, another guy who has seen EVERYTHING involved with basketball in both college and NBA from the 1950's to today (coach of the year in 1978 and 2004):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9JttE4UT74k

As you can seen, NOBODY respects the modern NBA! It's a joke that some people like Kari, Manny and all the other LeBald's nut huggers don't seem to get which is kind of sad really.

[Manny98]

Why don't you try these series on for size FKari:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4vnXJ_xpY8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFfo1fZTKCU

Michael faced 6 straight seasons of this in the playoffs from 1988 to 1993 at the hands of the Pistons and Knicks! None of today's cream puff divas would tolerate that atmosphere specially being put in MJ's place with no spacing, hand checking and hard fouls.

Like Kobe said in the video:

"Kids might be a little too sensitive for that physicality these days"!!!

That's why the NBA changed the rules so soft millennial players and fans like Kari could digest a sanitized game that doesn't hurt anyone's feelings. David Stern, Rob Thorn, Jerry Colangelo and Stu Jackson basically played the role of suburban soccer moms thanks to the dumbed down AAU culture that has ruined the NBA since the mid 90's
Shut your boomer ass up.

Players couldn't even shoot outside 15ft in that weakass caveman era. Zone defense was illegal for f*ck sake you can just iso all game and no one could stop you because helping off was illegal. no one wants to go back to ugly ass packed paints and 60-60 scores

[SomeBlackDude]

The skill...the power...the unapologetic thiccness :eek:


Durant: I was the only one that couldn’t lift it and I was struggling to lift it. I was embarrassed at that point, but I’m like, ‘Give me a basketball, please.’

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3orieLeZL5kyNqiLfO/giphy.gif

THIS is the dude that lifted 2 rangz and 2 fmvp off lekang? *couldn't lift a single rep of 185 lbs

THIS is the dude that has 4 scoring titles in this era?

THIS is the modern, hyper athlete?

:biggums:

[superduper]

[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]
Kevin Durant could not bench-press 185 pounds one time at NBA combine

The Combine, an event running May 9-14 in Chicago, has draft prospects run, jump and lift weights to give evaluators a feel for their athleticism. But Durant, who participated in the events 10 years ago, thinks prospects should stay home. He recently spoke about his experience, when strength coaches laughed at him when he tried to lift weights (via ESPN):

I was like,

[superduper]

Shut your boomer ass up.

Players couldn't even shoot outside 15ft in that weakass caveman era. Zone defense was illegal for f*ck sake you can just iso all game and no one could stop you because helping off was illegal. no one wants to go back to ugly ass packed paints and 60-60 scores

Just because chucking from 30ft out is the priority shot and most practiced shot in the game now does not even remotely mean that these long distance chuckers are better than the players of the past, not even sure how you delude your mind out to that conclusion.

[FKAri]

Durant: I was the only one that couldn’t lift it and I was struggling to lift it. I was embarrassed at that point, but I’m like, ‘Give me a basketball, please.’

https://media2.giphy.com/media/3orieLeZL5kyNqiLfO/giphy.gif

THIS is the dude that lifted 2 rangz and 2 fmvp off lekang? *couldn't lift a single rep of 185 lbs

THIS is the dude that has 4 scoring titles in this era?

THIS is the modern, hyper athlete?

:biggums:
Durant's a very intelligent guy. But make no mistake. He is still an absolute animal! An animal needs the right motivation to trigger the hunt. He was calling for the right stimulus, a basketball. A stiff steel rod doesn't really get him in the mood like it did MJ, if you catch my drift.

[Showtime80']

LOL Manny, zone defense is still illegal in the NBA thanks to the 3 second defensive rule that artificially clears the paint for these limited low IQ chucksters, the NBA pseudo zone is again a sanitized version to enhance offenses which combined with the neutered physicality has turned the NBA into a farce.

The 60-69 scores your talking about came in the late 90's/early 2000's when the Iverson individualistic AAU knucklehead school of basketball started talking hold of the NBA and teams thought they could replicate what the 90's Bulls did by centering their offenses around counterfeit Jordans like Kobe, T-Mac, Vince, Francis, Iverson, Marbury, Hill, Penny to name a few. Needless to say offenses sunk to record lows because these idiots were more athletes than basketball players and couldn't attack defenses as effectively as the more fundamentally sound players from past eras did.

Here's basically what the NBA did thanks to the panic both of MJ retirements caused the league in 1994 and 1999:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nBRV0TKsxo

The NBA's Golden Period happened from 1984 to 1993, anything before or after is basically a watered down version specially when the NBA phased out defense after 2004.

[Manny98]

[QUOTE=SomeBlackDude]this y'all 2x finals mvp, 4 scoring champion and mvp?!!!!

this is the dude who put lekang in the slip n' slide?

[B]I was like,

[superduper]

Shit era shit era!! :mad: :mad:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-15-2018/7rkDFz.gif

[Manny98]

Just because chucking from 30ft out is the priority shot and most practiced shot in the game now does not even remotely mean that these long distance chuckers are better than the players of the past, not even sure how you delude your mind out to that conclusion.
Hakeem and Kerr both said that todays players are more skilled, i'll think i would take their word over yours

[superduper]

"Lol what a shit era the 90s was look at that their offense and defense is NOWHERE near as COMPLEX and ADVANCED as it is TODAY!!"

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-15-2018/7rkDFz.gif

[SomeBlackDude]

And these clowns have the NERVE to say shit like "John Starks, Jeff Hornacek!!" :biggums: :biggums:

crazy innit? the weakest, most unathletic dude the nba scouting combine has ever seen... a scrawny, feeble scrub so pathetic he was litrally laughed out of the room... is this generation's greatest scorer. an mvp, 4x scoring champion, beat lefraud 2x en route to winning b2b fmvp.

meanwhile, this man was a perennial all nba third team member during the 90s:

https://media2.giphy.com/media/G2eKBTFEIMwes/source.gif

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HugePhysicalIzuthrush-max-1mb.gif

some interesting 'logic' from lestans.

:biggums:

[Manny98]

"Lol what a shit era the 90s was look at that their offense and defense is NOWHERE near as COMPLEX and ADVANCED as it is TODAY!!"

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-15-2018/7rkDFz.gif
Look at the spacing in todays game, that's what happens when most players can shoot outside 15ft :applause:

[Manny98]

crazy innit? the weakest, most unathletic dude the nba scouting combine has ever seen... a scrawny, feeble scrub so pathetic he was litrally laughed out of the room... is this generation's greatest scorer. an mvp, 4x scoring champion, beat lefraud 2x en route to winning b2b fmvp.

meanwhile, this man was a perennial all nba third team member during the 90s:

https://media2.giphy.com/media/G2eKBTFEIMwes/source.gif

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/HugePhysicalIzuthrush-max-1mb.gif

some interesting 'logic' from lestans.

:biggums:
It's called skill, something players from the 90s didn't have

[RRR3]

SBD still making a mess in his space jammies I see.

[superduper]

Look at the spacing in todays game, that's what happens when most players can shoot outside 15ft :applause:

Exactly, all you can do is troll because you know the facts are against you.

[Manny98]

Imagine a player 6'11 with guard handles and can pull up from 30 and has almost an 8ft wingspan?

If i told you to imagine that player in 1996 you would think i'm talking about an alien "no way a player like that could ever exist"

KD would literally look like god in basketball shoes if he time travelled to the 90s

[FKAri]

The NBA's Golden Period happened from 1984 to 1993, anything before or after is basically a watered down version specially when the NBA phased out defense after 2004.
The 80s were even worse than the 90s. Take the unathletic, unskilled knuckleheads from the 90s and put them on crack! Horrific!
And the 70's? Take those guys from the 80's swap out crack for acid and add smoking!
The 60's? Take those guys from the 70's, swap out acid for chewing tobacco and turn them all into American Whites! The lowest of the low!

A truly shameful history we have.

[superduper]

Imagine a player 6'11 with guard handles and can pull up from 30 and has almost an 8ft wingspan?

If i told you to imagine that player in 1996 you would think i'm talking about an alien "no way a player like that could ever exist"

KD would literally look like god in basketball shoes if he time travelled to the 90s

What you fail to understand is that KD wouldn't be who he is today WITHOUT LEARNING FROM THE PLAYERS OF THE PAST especially the ones who pioneered the current playstyle of a dominant scoring wing like MJ did, he revolutionized the perimeter style and the fact that he did it so dominantly is what makes him so undisputably the GOAT.

You can't just say "take KD and put him 30 years earlier", that makes no sense if you're basing your logic on reality.

There would be no KD without Jordan and the other 90s players.

[SomeBlackDude]

Imagine a player 6'11 with guard handles and can pull up from 30 and has almost an 8ft wingspan?

If i told you to imagine that player in 1996 you would think i'm talking about an alien "no way a player like that could ever exist"

KD would literally look like god in basketball shoes if he time travelled to the 90s

he'd be too weak to close the door of the delorean.

doc brown and marty mcfly would be laughing at him n shit.

"give me a basketball, please!"

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WaterloggedMisguidedGuineapig-small.gif

[Showtime80']

It's called rule changes favoring offense Manny, something the NBA figured out pretty quickly they would have to do when Jordan retired in 98' to prop up the newer generations of dumb as a rock athletes trained by the AAU buddy buddy no fundamentals low IQ system.

Here's Kobe, Horry and a few other stars talking about the AAU abomination:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEyKG1jMEE8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMHJ3PbvUKc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xppl33ml-zY

Honestly after watching all these videos, has there ever being a more disrespected and mocked era of basketball than this one? I think not.

[superduper]

he'd be too weak to close the door of the delorean.

doc brown and marty mcfly would be laughing at him n shit.

"give me a basketball, please!"

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/WaterloggedMisguidedGuineapig-small.gif

:roll: :roll:

[Ainosterhaspie]

Rules changes to favor offense are vastly overstated. The biggest change that has happened in the last 40 years is teams understanding 3 x 0.4 > 2 x 0.5. That's it. It's that simple. Prior to the entire league embracing that simple concept, offense was basically the same in terms of effectiveness from 1980 to 2015 with an anomalous period from 1998-2004.

Then suddenly teams realized long twos are stupid, stopped shooting them and offense exploded. It's not because defense was made illegal,its because offense stopped being stupid. Suddenly the floor was stretched, not because defenders were forced to step out to the line by the rules, but because teams prioritized shooting.

That Rockets clip is a testament to the skill of today's offensive players. If they wanted to, every defender could have a foot in the pain lt and just periodically step out momentarily, before putting a foot back in the paint. Why are they so far away from the paint? Because the guys outside the arc can and will shoot. They are smarter and more skilled than players in earlier eras.

You think physical defense and handchecking is changing that? Besides the obvious (if you are watching and paying attention to today's game) fact that there is abundant handchecking in today's game, the bigger problem with that argument is that handchecking can't solve that defense's problem. If the defenders are close enough to hand check the shooters, the lane is even more wide open. If they are in position to stop Harden's drive, thanks to his man having extra freedom to grab, hold and slow him down without penalty (something that basketball was never meant to allow), then they can't defend the three point line because they aren't there.

[superduper]

Rules changes to favor offense are vastly overstated. The biggest change that has happened in the last 40 years is teams understanding 3 x 0.4 > 2 x 0.5. That's it. It's that simple. Prior to the entire league embracing that simple concept, offense was basically the same in terms of effectiveness from 1980 to 2015 with an anomalous period from 1998-2004.

Then suddenly teams realized long twos are stupid, stopped shooting them and offense exploded. It's not because defense was made illegal,its because offense stopped being stupid. Suddenly the floor was stretched, not because defenders were forced to step out to the line by the rules, but because teams prioritized shooting.

That Rockets clip is a testament to the skill of today's offensive players. If they wanted to, every defender could have a foot in the pain lt and just periodically step out momentarily, before putting a foot back in the paint. Why are they so far away from the paint? Because the guys outside the arc can and will shoot. They are smarter and more skilled than players in earlier eras.

You think physical defense and handchecking is changing that? Besides the obvious (if you are watching and paying attention to today's game) fact that there is abundant handchecking in today's game, the bigger problem with that argument is that handchecking can't solve that defense's problem. If the defenders are close enough to hand check the shooters, the lane is even more wide open. If they are in position to stop Harden's drive, thanks to his man having extra freedom to grab, hold and slow him down without penalty (something that basketball was never meant to allow), then they can't defend the three point line because they aren't there.

The first half of your post is correct. However, if handchecking and the more physical type defense of the past eras was allowed then defenders could force their offensive man off or away from the 3pt line much more easily. Instead without the more physical defense and in addition to these new freedom of movement rules there is LITERALLY nothing you can do about the 3pt barrage era that is today. Literally nothing. That is why the defenders have to stay spaced out.

[Replay32]

What you fail to understand is that KD wouldn't be who he is today WITHOUT LEARNING FROM THE PLAYERS OF THE PAST especially the ones who pioneered the current playstyle of a dominant scoring wing like MJ did, he revolutionized the perimeter style and the fact that he did it so dominantly is what makes him so undisputably the GOAT.

You can't just say "take KD and put him 30 years earlier", that makes no sense if you're basing your logic on reality.

There would be no KD without Jordan and the other 90s players.

Excellent points. And this is what gets lost for whatever reason. A lot of people have no concept of history. And the disrespect of players from the past really bothers me as a Bball fan.

Basketball has evolved, but that evolution takes place because players watch and learn from players from past eras.

Another great point is about just taking Lebron James and putting him in an era from the past. It makes no since. If lebron was born in 1935, he would have the technology and medicine from that time period. He would be playing in Converse All Stars, not Nikes. He wouldn't be able to palm the ball etc. I just don't understand why people can't grasp this. It's common sense.

[superduper]

Excellent points. And this is what gets lost for whatever reason. A lot of people have no concept of history. And the disrespect of players from the past really bothers me as a Bball fan.

Basketball has evolved, but that evolution takes place because players watch and learn from players from past eras.

Another great point is about just taking Lebron James and putting him in an era from the past. It makes no since. If lebron was born in 1935, he would have the technology and medicine from that time period. He would be playing in Converse All Stars, not Nikes. He wouldn't be able to palm the ball etc. I just don't understand why people can't grasp this. It's common sense.

Thank you.

[FKAri]

Excellent points. And this is what gets lost for whatever reason. A lot of people have no concept of history. And the disrespect of players from the past really bothers me as a Bball fan.

Basketball has evolved, but that evolution takes place because players watch and learn from players from past eras.

Another great point is about just taking Lebron James and putting him in an era from the past. It makes no since. If lebron was born in 1935, he would have the technology and medicine from that time period. He would be playing in Converse All Stars, not Nikes. He wouldn't be able to palm the ball etc. I just don't understand why people can't grasp this. It's common sense.
Everyone grasps it. There is no confusion there.

[superduper]

Everyone grasps it. There is no confusion there.

Are you serious?

None of the Bran stans grasp it, get real.

[Replay32]

Everyone grasps it. There is no confusion there.

Ok

:rolleyes:

[stalkerforlife]

Now THAT is real basketball.

Beautiful.

[superduper]

Now THAT is real basketball.

Beautiful.

Sorry but I prefer mindless 3pt chucking and empty-painted layup lines with zero defense allowed to be played for the most maximized $tats possible thanks though...

:roll:

[PP34Deuce]

If you take a 6'8 250-260 pound SF and he has to play through contact.......

He will succeed.

Why is there so much emotion with some of you guys.

Harden and Lebron have the bodies to play through contact in the 90's. Harden flops but you're fooling yourself if you can't see he's a very strong guard.

[bullettooth]

It's called skill, something players from the 90s didn't have

Serious question; did you wear hockey equipment to school?

[superduper]

If you take a 6'8 250-260 pound SF and he has to play through contact.......

He will succeed.

Why is there so much emotion with some of you guys.

Harden and Lebron have the bodies to play through contact in the 90's. Harden flops but you're fooling yourself if you can't see he's a very strong guard.

I think you missed the point of this thread

[SomeBlackDude]

If you take a 6'8 250-260 pound SF and he has to play through contact.......

He will succeed.

Why is there so much emotion with some of you guys.

Harden and Lebron have the bodies to play through contact in the 90's. Harden flops but you're fooling yourself if you can't see he's a very strong guard.

lenohandles came into the league at the perfect time. that's all i'm gonna say.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/OxEYCx.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/f6LnV3.gif

[stalkerforlife]

lenohandles came into the league at the perfect time. that's all i'm gonna say.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/OxEYCx.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/f6LnV3.gif

And Bran is stiff arming the entire time. :roll:

[SomeBlackDude]

And Bran is stiff arming the entire time. :roll:

what other option did he have? beans was on him like white on rice, a fly on honey. gave lestiffarm a small taste of that 90s throwback mix :roll:

man players don't know how good they have it. dude with 0 handles can play point guard nowadays cause you can't actually play defense any more.

[superduper]

And Bran is stiff arming the entire time. :roll:

****ing pathetic :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[AirBonner]

what other option did he have? beans was on him like white on rice, a fly on honey. gave lestiffarm a small taste of that 90s throwback mix :roll:

man players don't know how good they have it. dude with 0 handles can play point guard nowadays cause you can't actually play defense any more.
John Stockton couldn

[SomeBlackDude]

****ing pathetic :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

meanwhile, in the advanced modern era...

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-15-2018/7rkDFz.gif

impenetrable. :eek:

[SomeBlackDude]

[QUOTE=AirBonner]John Stockton couldn

[FKAri]

meanwhile, in the advanced modern era...

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-15-2018/7rkDFz.gif

impenetrable. :eek:
The worst shooter on offense there is better than the greatest shooter from the 90s (that milli vanilli lookin nigguh).

[superduper]

The worst shooter on offense there is better than the greatest shooter from the 90s (that milli vanilli lookin nigguh).

This would be funny if you didn't consider the fact that outside jumpshooting is now the #1 prioritized and most practiced shot in this era whereas in the past eras it simply was not as they were focused on practising the advantages of that era's meta and ruleset.

Sorry I ruined your trolling with reality.

[SomeBlackDude]

The worst shooter on offense there is better than the greatest shooter from the 90s (that milli vanilli lookin nigguh).

think about this- the beard is seeing far worse defense today than bob cousy did in the 50s.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SoulfulEnormousJaeger-size_restricted.gif

^bob had to deal with handchecking, split a double team, and had a man waiting for him in the paint.

meanwhile, the beard could've moonwalked to the basket. unimpeded.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-15-2018/7rkDFz.gif

really makes you think...

[Showtime80']

I think fans figured out the sham the NBA became after MJ retired the second time and that's why the record TV ratings still belong to the 80's/90's (MJ, Magic and Bird Golden Era) and they continued to dip ever since:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_Finals_television_ratings

LeBald has the lowest rated Finals in history with his 2007 as! whooping at the hands of the Spurs, hel! the tape delayed early 80's Finals got more viewers than his ugly mug could attract!. The Shaq, Kobe, Duncan, Wade, Curry, Harden and LeBaldo generation just can't measure up neither on the court nor attracting viewership even with all the rule changes David Stern, Jerry C and Rob Thorn came up with.

Just to give you an idea of how far this rule altered NBA has sunk, the 1993 all-star game which had a record 14.3 rating (22.9 million viewers) was watched more than ANY PLAYOFF SERIES including the Finals post 1998. Just cant measure up but keep trying I'm sure Adam "McMahon" Silver has a lot more tinkering in store!

[SomeBlackDude]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-16-2019/5gsol2.gif


^full court d now

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-16-2019/y5x7jV.gif

^full court d then

looks like the modern player takes the 'no touching' rules to the extreme.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-15-2018/YEzlTG.gif

difference of philosophy i suppose.

:confusedshrug:

[Showtime80']

Great find black!

"Buh, buh, but I thought nobody before 2015 guarded players until they were 2 feet away from the basket mom" LOL!!!!

[FKAri]

^full court d now

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-16-2019/y5x7jV.gif

^full court d then
Did you just post a gif of Anthony Mason bringing the ball up as an example of effective full court D? :oldlol:

[SomeBlackDude]

Did you just post a gif of Anthony Mason bringing the ball up as an example of effective full court D? :oldlol:

looks like ant had better handles than legoat vs actual d

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/OxEYCx.gif

really makes you think https://i.postimg.cc/WbhsW-qTq/image.jpg


Great find black!

"Buh, buh, but I thought nobody before 2015 guarded players until they were 2 feet away from the basket mom" LOL!!!!

some teams like the bulls would routinely run full court presses, traps, etc.

put pressure on the ball for 94 feet.

you don't see that any more.

[FKAri]

looks like ant had better handles than legoat vs actual d

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/OxEYCx.gif

really makes you think https://i.postimg.cc/WbhsW-qTq/image.jpg



some teams like the bulls would routinely run full court presses, traps, etc.

put pressure on the ball for 94 feet.

you don't see that any more.
Bron letting Kobe have that was wonderful gesture. You can't just enter the league and shit on the marquee attraction. That's showbiz 101.

As for why you don't see full court press anymore? Well, you do see it. In college, where players lack the offensive skills necessary to exploit it. If Pippen and MJ tried that vs today's teams they'd get Globetrotted on.

[SomeBlackDude]

As for why you don't see full court press anymore? Well, you do see it. In college, where players lack the offensive skills necessary to exploit it. If Pippen and MJ tried that vs today's teams they'd get Globetrotted on.

freedom of movement rules would prevent them from being able to play defense. this is as close to full court pressure as you can get now:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-16-2019/5gsol2.gif

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3owzVXxFgjfDpQ3fPy/giphy.gif

and people legitimately wonder how the rockets scored 158 and 159 points in regulation so far this season.

https://i.gifer.com/PUJy.gif

[Showtime80']

FKari you're a fan of a rule altered abomination with low ratings and propped up posers while current and former players, coaches and experts alike make fun of it and just openly disrespect.

Tell us how it feels to be one of the few dozens of hard core fans left of this sham?

[72-10]

Knicks would be a contender today

[72-10]

lol what teams shoot 40% from three? The league averages have lingered around 35% since the 90s.

thanx ya'll for pointing out how much better three-point shooting has gotten since the 90s

here's the best league averages from three (history)
T-1. .367 - 2008-09
T-1. .367 - 1995-96
3. .362 - 2017-18
4. .362 - 2007-08
5. .360 - 2013-14
6. .360 - 1996-97
T-7. .359 - 2012-13
T-7. .359 - 1994-95

I know they sucked at shooting the three then doe

[superduper]

Finally I get some damn backup :applause:

[FKAri]

FKari you're a fan of a rule altered abomination with low ratings and propped up posers while current and former players, coaches and experts alike make fun of it and just openly disrespect.

Tell us how it feels to be one of the few dozens of hard core fans left of this sham?
I do think Lebron has come on a bit too strong. It has challenged suspension of disbelief for many fans. This is one area where I always credited Stern. But LeGod flipped the script, broke the forth wall and inserted himself into the game. It might not appease casuals but there is no denying the artistic brilliance of the move.

[stalkerforlife]

freedom of movement rules would prevent them from being able to play defense. this is as close to full court pressure as you can get now:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-16-2019/5gsol2.gif

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3owzVXxFgjfDpQ3fPy/giphy.gif

and people legitimately wonder how the rockets scored 158 and 159 points in regulation so far this season.

https://i.gifer.com/PUJy.gif

:roll:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

freedom of movement rules would prevent them from being able to play defense. this is as close to full court pressure as you can get now:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-16-2019/5gsol2.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/erdYWyEn9ni36/giphy.gif

[NBAGOAT]

the harden gif isnt applicable to whole league. It's just kind of exclusive to harden since if your hands are near him, he'll rip through and get a foul drawn.

Chris Paul is similar. He cant get past anyone anymore yet teams are afraid to crowd him and take away his jumper which is easily his main scoring option. he's just a "genius" at getting foul calls out of nothing. It's absurd he has a 38% ftr with his shot chart. Same as lou williams who's crazy at it in his own right and higher than a lot of scorers who drive to the basket a lot.

It doesnt matter if handchecking is allowed, guys who can do this will get fouls called. https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=X_gy25eZV-g&feature=emb_logo

[DMAVS41]

The first half of your post is correct. However, if handchecking and the more physical type defense of the past eras was allowed then defenders could force their offensive man off or away from the 3pt line much more easily. Instead without the more physical defense and in addition to these new freedom of movement rules there is LITERALLY nothing you can do about the 3pt barrage era that is today. Literally nothing. That is why the defenders have to stay spaced out.

True, but I think he would agree with that. No doubt the rules matter.

The problem is though...that there are plenty of times in the past with the league scoring pretty similar rates to what is happening now.

So, unless one is willing to make the argument that players used to be much better...I don't know...seems a bit odd that these past great defenses with different rules were getting torched by teams that were taking a ton of long 2's instead of 3's.

For example, in 1991 teams were scoring at a similar rate league wide...despite playing a slower pace...and despite teams only taking like 7 3's per game.

I don't know....when talking league-wide stuff....the gap just isn't that big from now to a year like that to warrant a lot of this talk imo.

Some years? Sure, but not as many people here tend to argue.

[Showtime80']

I do think Lebron has come on a bit too strong. It has challenged suspension of disbelief for many fans. This is one area where I always credited Stern. But LeGod flipped the script, broke the forth wall and inserted himself into the game. It might not appease casuals but there is no denying the artistic brilliance of the move.

That's an interesting response Kari and one that I think deserves a deeper analysis. Do you think the player empowerment generation has turned off more fans than it has attracted? If the disconect exists, can it be fixed? Would like to hear your response on that

[FKAri]

That's an interesting response Kari and one that I think deserves a deeper analysis. Do you think the player empowerment generation has turned off more fans than it has attracted? If the disconect exists, can it be fixed? Would like to hear your response on that
I'll give you an honest take since you asked nicely.

Indirectly, yes. Players have too much power and as a result it has damaged the product. Unrestricted free agency I can live with but guaranteed contracts is too much power. Both lockouts hurt the league. It's not a generational thing. It's a NBPA thing. NFL is too far the other direction. Somewhere in the middle would be ideal (maybe not for the player but for the fan).

[Showtime80']

I definitely agree with that!

You mentioned David Stern in your message and even though I don't agree with everything he did during his tenure he carried a great amount of weight and power which the players respected and he didn't mess around when it came labor disputes always falling on the owners side and keeping the players in check which I couldn't imaging would've been easy starting with the astronomical contracts players were getting in the early 90's right out of college and the "me first" attitude it started to create.

The combination of the smaller period max contracts and Adam Silver's perceived lack of strength has empowered the players in a disproportionate manner and now they view the league and the teams as a vehicle for their own brand and status which take precedent over loyalty, continuity and tradition. It's all about teaming up with your pals and taking the less treacherous road to winning while getting rich in the process.

The Utah Jazz of Malone/Stockton didn't win the title but I'm sure those fans view that period in their team's history as the best one not only because of the consistent winning that went on but because of the loyalty to the team and the city those two guys displayed for nearly 20 years!

I know I've posted this clip a lot but it definitely seemed like the end of an era and the beginning of a new one which we're lamenting right now back in 1998:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUcBnfJGJgA

[SomeBlackDude]

this era has the most creative defensive strategies.

no doubt about it.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-17-2019/K6T_1E.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-17-2019/zzXRz1.gif

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3oFyDsej4ELffwvgKQ/giphy.gif

so modern.

so advanced.

:bowdown:

[stalkerforlife]

this era has the most creative defensive strategies.

no doubt about it.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-17-2019/K6T_1E.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-17-2019/zzXRz1.gif

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3oFyDsej4ELffwvgKQ/giphy.gif

so modern.

so advanced.

:bowdown:

LMAO.

:bowdown:

[stalkerforlife]

I can't get over this shit.

Rubio is literally guarding him from the rear.

That was their strategy.

Hahahahahaha.

[SomeBlackDude]

I can't get over this shit.

Rubio is literally guarding him from the rear.

That was their strategy.

Hahahahahaha.

the advanced modern doggystle zone defense.

that was from a playoff game too.

:facepalm

[superduper]

the advanced modern doggystle zone defense.

that was from a playoff game too.

:facepalm

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

"Advanced modern superalien era yeoooo!!"

[ImKobe]

this era has the most creative defensive strategies.

no doubt about it.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-17-2019/K6T_1E.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-17-2019/zzXRz1.gif

https://media0.giphy.com/media/3oFyDsej4ELffwvgKQ/giphy.gif

so modern.

so advanced.

:bowdown:

https://media1.tenor.com/images/5a2fb58a713d9082ec644cd7a033c5da/tenor.gif

[PP34Deuce]

lenohandles came into the league at the perfect time. that's all i'm gonna say.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/OxEYCx.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/f6LnV3.gif


Ok so you take One play against a prime Kobe Bryant vs a still under 22 year old Lebron James turning the ball over on the trap.

He handled Kobe well, he turned it over when the double came. Too much probing instead of looking to score.

When Dr J, Dominique, Charles Barkley, Steve Kerr all say he would have been just as dominant in their era... I believe them over an ISH poster.

[PP34Deuce]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/5a2fb58a713d9082ec644cd7a033c5da/tenor.gif


Rubio and the team messed up but Rubio basically played Harden for the stepback 3 while relying on the big to come up and stop the drive.

Scottie Pippen said he defensively he'd guard Harden on his left side ways to take away the step back 3.

[SomeBlackDude]

Ok so you take One play against a prime Kobe Bryant vs a still under 22 year old Lebron James turning the ball over on the trap.



different day, same shit.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/Dwq45E.gif

full court old school physical pressure defense with handchecking. no traps. no gimmicks. just straight up 1 on 1 with a forearm on the ballhandler's hip.

old lion beans (34 years old) made prime bronny look like a toddler.

bron would not be allowed to be the primary ballhandler in an era that didn't handcuff defenses.

[PP34Deuce]

different day, same shit.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/Dwq45E.gif

full court old school physical pressure defense with handchecking. no traps. no gimmicks. just straight up 1 on 1 with a forearm on the ballhandler's hip.

old lion beans (34 years old) made prime bronny look like a toddler.

bron would not be allowed to be the primary ballhandler in an era that didn't handcuff defenses.


Oh I see you are a huge Kobe Bryant fan. That's the narrative for you. An allstar game and a rookie/second year. Gotten so smart it's become stupid. GOAT level players adjust. You have an opinion but it's likely not the smartest one.

[SomeBlackDude]

Oh I see you are a huge Kobe Bryant fan. That's the narrative for you.

https://media0.giphy.com/media/rngE31q0PTHbO/giphy.gif


An allstar game and a rookie/second year.

only times beans would be allowed to play actual defense. :confusedshrug:


Gotten so smart it's become stupid. GOAT level players adjust. You have an opinion but it's likely not the smartest one.

yes, if bron played in an era where he couldn't hide his elementary school level handles... that adjustment would be him playing like a traditional big and his teams getting a real point guard.

dude is karl malone masquerading as john stockton.

only in this era does that bullshit fly.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/f6LnV3.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/Dwq45E.gif

only in this super advanced, super modern era.

[superduper]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/rngE31q0PTHbO/giphy.gif



only times beans would be allowed to play actual defense. :confusedshrug:



yes, if bron played in an era where he couldn't hide his elementary school level handles... that adjustment would be him playing like a traditional big and his teams getting a real point guard.

dude is karl malone masquerading as john stockton.

only in this era does that bullshit fly.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/f6LnV3.gif

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/Dwq45E.gif

only in this super advanced, super modern era.

The hoops being jumped through and the goal posts being moved by the Kobe haters is a sight to behold :oldlol:

[PP34Deuce]

Can't really argue with ignorance though. I love a good debate though.

I'm going to listen to the 90's legends when themselves say that guys like Bron and Harden would be just as dangerous in the early era.

[superduper]

Can't really argue with ignorance though. I love a good debate though.

I'm going to listen to the 90's legends when themselves say that guys like Bron and Harden would be just as dangerous in the early era.

They would absolutely be just as dangerous in past eras, that is not what is in question.

I'm just posting against the idiots that literally discredit the past eras as irrelevant.

[FKAri]

An allstar game and a rookie/second year.
only times beans would be allowed to play actual defense. :confusedshrug:
This is so stupid that it HAS to be true :applause:

[RRR3]

SBD embarrassing himself.

[Nashty]

You know it's weak era when poor mans DeRozan wins 6 FMVPs.

[superduper]

You know it's weak era when poor mans DeRozan wins 6 FMVPs.

For your own mental sake and real life stability I truly hope you aren't this out of touch with reality :oldlol: