21 yr old LeBron's 1st playoff series higher PPG than Kobe's career best...

[Rico2016]

21 years old. His 1st playoff showing ever and already eclipsed Kobe?

35.7 ppg on 51/38/75

Link for proof:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2006-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-wizards-vs-cavaliers.html

[FireDavidKahn]

He was the chosen one ever since high school and he delivered:applause:

[Rico2016]

He was the chosen one ever since high school and he delivered:applause:

21 year old LeBron on a terrible squad outscored a prime scoring machine Gilbert Arenas to advance in his 1st playoff appearance and avoid a 1st round exit like all the other greats before him. Amazing stuff.

[FireDavidKahn]

21 year old LeBron on a terrible squad outscored a prime scoring machine Gilbert Arenas to advance in his 1st playoff appearance and avoid a 1st round exit like all the other greats before him. Amazing stuff.
Just imagine if 21 year old LeBron was playing next to prime Shaq?:biggums:
They'd sweep the play offs and finals all the time.

[Rico2016]

Just imagine if 21 year old LeBron was playing next to prime Shaq?:biggums:
They'd sweep the play offs and finals all the time.

If LeBron had 8 years with PRIME Shaq like Kobe we are talking 5 rings minimum, and probably 6 or even 7.

[superduper]

Just imagine if 21 year old LeBron was playing next to prime Shaq?:biggums:
They'd sweep the play offs and finals all the time.

Which of them was going to space the floor for the other?

Or do you only speak $tats?

[Rico2016]

Which of them was going to space the floor for the other?

Or do you only speak $tats?

You act like LeBron isn't a better passer, playmaker, and deep range shooter than Kobe was?

[FKAri]

Which of them was going to space the floor for the other?

Or do you only speak $tats?
Shaq is a career 4.5% 3pt shooter. LeGod would still find a way to make him serviceable. :pimp:

[RRR3]

In 2002 Kobe shot 25% from 3 and only made 33 total 3s (0.4 a game). If that’s all the spacing Shaq needed I’m pretty sure LeBron could replicate that considering he’s currently hitting 2.3 3s a game at a 36.5% clip.

[imdaman99]

You act like LeBron isn't a better passer, playmaker, and deep range shooter than Kobe was?
He wasn't a good shooter when he was young. LeBron's success hinges on teams not clogging the paint, which is what would happen if he had Shaq on his team. Also, his assists would go down because Shaq wanted to be fed in the post. Imagine Shaq being motivated by becoming a spot-up shooter :biggums:

[SpaceJam2]

21 years old. His 1st playoff showing ever and already eclipsed Kobe?

35.7 ppg on 51/38/75

Link for proof:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2006-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-wizards-vs-cavaliers.html


Wow

[aj1987]

He wasn't a good shooter when he was young. LeBron's success hinges on teams not clogging the paint, which is what would happen if he had Shaq on his team. Also, his assists would go down because Shaq wanted to be fed in the post. Imagine Shaq being motivated by becoming a spot-up shooter :biggums:

The first bolded part has been proven wrong time and time again. Yet, people want to stick to that narrative. :oldlol:

As for the second one, wut? Lol

[Rico2016]

The first bolded part has been proven wrong time and time again. Yet, people want to stick to that narrative. :oldlol:

As for the second one, wut? Lol

I know, right?!

[GimmeThat]

I think the narrative of let him get his is fading away, while the league is now all about let me get mine

and in return, the complaints made by owners of over-paying players have diminished as well

[FromDowntown]

Please respond

[FireDavidKahn]

Larry "Mr. Second Option" Hughes 12 ppg on 31.3%

[FromDowntown]

LBJ could have lost in the 1st round this series.

21
No help
1st playoff series
Playing against prime Gilbert Arenas

LBJ bests Kobe's career best playoff series ppg at the age of 21.

[Overdrive]

As for the second one, wut? Lol

You don't get assists by dumping the ball into the post.

[aj1987]

You don't get assists by dumping the ball into the post.

LeBron would get him ridiculously good shots and Shaq wouldn't complain how he scores, as long as he's putting up numbers. :confusedshrug:

[Rysio]

Kobe only had one series in his career To score as much as he wanted in 07.

[ArbitraryWater]

its literally hilarious just how much bron shits on kobe

stuff like this, its just funny

[ArbitraryWater]

You don't get assists by dumping the ball into the post.


wut?

of course the fck you do.

you know how many times kobe dumped it to shaq gasol or bynum, they turned around and shot it, or even took a dribble and put it up and it counted as an assist?!

almost every time

[Rysio]

its literally hilarious just how much bron shits on kobe

stuff like this, its just funny

50 point games kobe in 2 seasons 16
50 point games LeBron in 17 seasons 13

Lol

[ArbitraryWater]

50 point games kobe in 2 seasons 16
50 point games LeBron in 17 seasons 13

Lol

Nobody gives a flying **** about your regular season 50 point games dummie

That's how you know a Kobe fan entered the conversation lmao

[ImKobe]

Nobody gives a flying **** about your regular season 50 point games dummie

That's how you know a Kobe fan entered the conversation lmao

But we should care about Lebron playing the Wizards' 22nd ranked defense in the 1st round, right? That team had ZERO rim protection with Jamison at the 4 and Haywood at the 5. lol @ you losers.

[LAmbruh]

He was the chosen one ever since high school and he delivered:applause:

yep, Lebron was a better basketball player at 18yo than Kobe ever was in his entire career

[aj1987]

50 point games kobe in 2 seasons 16
50 point games LeBron in 17 seasons 13

Lol

You really want to go down that route?

Kobe in the Playoffs:

5640 points in 220 PO games

LeBron in the Playoffs:

6911 in 239 PO games

+1200 points in 19 games more played for LeBron

Kobe PPG in the PO's:

25.6 PPG

LeBron PPG in the PO's:

28.9 PPG

+3.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the PO's:

54.1% TS

LeBron efficiency in the PO's:

57.9% TS

+3.8% more efficient

In short, LeBron scores 3.3 PPG more than Kobe in the PO's on 3.8% better efficiency.

Doesn't end there.

50 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 1 (you Brick turds consider his to be the GOAT scorer and he has ONE 50pt game in the PO's? :lol)

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 5

LeBron - 11

40 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 27

35 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 39

LeBron - 56

30 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 88

LeBron - 110

25 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 123

LeBron - 165

20 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 167

LeBron - 214

LeBron has scored under 20 points only 25 times in his career. Kobe did it 53 times. There's something Kobe can beat LeBron at. :lol

I know you idiots are going to say LeBron was facing wack competition in the East.

Lets look at the Finals numbers, shall we?

Kobe PPG in the Finals:

25.3 PPG

LeBron PPG in the Finals:

28.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the Finals:

51% TS

LeBron efficiency in the Finals:

56% TS

LeBron scores 3 more PPG on 5% better efficiency than Kobe in the Finals. LeBron does this while facing significantly better competition, BTW.

Lets go in a bit deeper.

50 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

40 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 1 (:roll: :roll: :roll:)

LeBron - 7

35 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 4

LeBron - 11

30 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 20

25 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 22

LeBron - 33

20 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 30

LeBron - 41

[Rysio]

You really want to go down that route?

Kobe in the Playoffs:

5640 points in 220 PO games

LeBron in the Playoffs:

6911 in 239 PO games

+1200 points in 19 games more played for LeBron

Kobe PPG in the PO's:

25.6 PPG

LeBron PPG in the PO's:

28.9 PPG

+3.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the PO's:

54.1% TS

LeBron efficiency in the PO's:

57.9% TS

+3.8% more efficient

In short, LeBron scores 3.3 PPG more than Kobe in the PO's on 3.8% better efficiency.

Doesn't end there.

50 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 1 (you Brick turds consider his to be the GOAT scorer and he has ONE 50pt game in the PO's? :lol)

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 5

LeBron - 11

40 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 27

35 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 39

LeBron - 56

30 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 88

LeBron - 110

25 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 123

LeBron - 165

20 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 167

LeBron - 214

LeBron has scored under 20 points only 25 times in his career. Kobe did it 53 times. There's something Kobe can beat LeBron at. :lol

I know you idiots are going to say LeBron was facing wack competition in the East.

Lets look at the Finals numbers, shall we?

Kobe PPG in the Finals:

25.3 PPG

LeBron PPG in the Finals:

28.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the Finals:

51% TS

LeBron efficiency in the Finals:

56% TS

LeBron scores 3 more PPG on 5% better efficiency than Kobe in the Finals. LeBron does this while facing significantly better competition, BTW.

Lets go in a bit deeper.

50 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

40 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 1 (:roll: :roll: :roll:)

LeBron - 7

35 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 4

LeBron - 11

30 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 20

25 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 22

LeBron - 33

20 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 30

LeBron - 41

Kobe played team basketball in the playoffs retard and wasn't needed to score big points in the playoffs

[Docs Orders]

You really want to go down that route?

Kobe in the Playoffs:

5640 points in 220 PO games

LeBron in the Playoffs:

6911 in 239 PO games

+1200 points in 19 games more played for LeBron

Kobe PPG in the PO's:

25.6 PPG

LeBron PPG in the PO's:

28.9 PPG

+3.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the PO's:

54.1% TS

LeBron efficiency in the PO's:

57.9% TS

+3.8% more efficient

In short, LeBron scores 3.3 PPG more than Kobe in the PO's on 3.8% better efficiency.

Doesn't end there.

50 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 1 (you Brick turds consider his to be the GOAT scorer and he has ONE 50pt game in the PO's? :lol)

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 5

LeBron - 11

40 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 27

35 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 39

LeBron - 56

30 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 88

LeBron - 110

25 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 123

LeBron - 165

20 point games in the Playoffs:

Kobe - 167

LeBron - 214

LeBron has scored under 20 points only 25 times in his career. Kobe did it 53 times. There's something Kobe can beat LeBron at. :lol

I know you idiots are going to say LeBron was facing wack competition in the East.

Lets look at the Finals numbers, shall we?

Kobe PPG in the Finals:

25.3 PPG

LeBron PPG in the Finals:

28.3 PPG

Kobe efficiency in the Finals:

51% TS

LeBron efficiency in the Finals:

56% TS

LeBron scores 3 more PPG on 5% better efficiency than Kobe in the Finals. LeBron does this while facing significantly better competition, BTW.

Lets go in a bit deeper.

50 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

45 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 0

LeBron - 1

40 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 1 (:roll: :roll: :roll:)

LeBron - 7

35 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 4

LeBron - 11

30 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 13

LeBron - 20

25 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 22

LeBron - 33

20 point games in the Finals:

Kobe - 30

LeBron - 41

:oldlol:

[aj1987]

Kobe played team basketball in the playoffs retard and wasn't needed to score big points in the playoffs

Keep moving the goalposts, you autistic ******. :cheers:

[FromDowntown]

Nobody gives a flying **** about your regular season 50 point games dummie

That's how you know a Kobe fan entered the conversation lmao

End scene

[Axe]

Kobe played team basketball in the playoffs retard and wasn't needed to score big points in the playoffs
This post is way too beyond out of reach for them to register inside their small brains.

[Overdrive]

wut?

of course the fck you do.

you know how many times kobe dumped it to shaq gasol or bynum, they turned around and shot it, or even took a dribble and put it up and it counted as an assist?!

almost every time

Unlike you I watched almost all of Shaq's career and all of Kobe's. Of course you got assists if the pass led to a basket. But if the center positioned on the block, back to the basket and got an inside pass any move that didn't directly result from the pass negated an assist.

Shaq did alot of dropstreps, hopsteps, spins, face ups, fakes and counters etc.

Kobe even cried about Shaq killing his assists with his moves.

The 2010 onwards NBA started counting assists differently. Something like Westbrook did rarely happen back then. If you put the ball on the floor from a standstill/tt the passer didn't get shit. Happens alot these days. Pass 1-2 dribble pull up from a static position and it's an assist...

[bobopenguin]

# of playoff in west conf.
lebron - 0 so far.

[GimmeThat]

old news: toxic basketball fans funnels money just to see players score.

transexual translation: going to the gym and being a creeper about the opposite sex with my mind acting on it but not my body makes me a good citizen.

[Axe]

# of playoff in west conf.
lebron - 0 so far.
Two years straight? 🤔

[SamuraiSWISH]

Keep moving the goalposts, you autistic ******. :cheers:
What if the goal post is the goal of the game? Like championships?

[Mamba4Life]

Kobe got more 50 point games in 2007 than LeBrons career

[dbugz]

Good Job LeBron, well deserved of the 8th spot on the GOAT list :applause:

[Mr Feeny]

Unlike you I watched almost all of Shaq's career and all of Kobe's. Of course you got assists if the pass led to a basket. But if the center positioned on the block, back to the basket and got an inside pass any move that didn't directly result from the pass negated an assist.

Shaq did alot of dropstreps, hopsteps, spins, face ups, fakes and counters etc.

Kobe even cried about Shaq killing his assists with his moves.

The 2010 onwards NBA started counting assists differently. Something like Westbrook did rarely happen back then. If you put the ball on the floor from a standstill/tt the passer didn't get shit. Happens alot these days. Pass 1-2 dribble pull up from a static position and it's an assist...

He started watching basketball in 2011. If he seems confused, it's because he is.

[FromDowntown]

What if the goal post is the goal of the game? Like championships?

Team achievments are important

What about individual achievments?

Pts? Steals? Triple doubles? Game winners? PER? Win shares? VORP? Dare I continue.

[Axe]

Team achievments are important

What about individual achievments?

Pts? Steals? Triple doubles? Game winners? PER? Win shares? VORP? Dare I continue.
Turnovers.

The most for a player still active in the league today. 👏👏👏

[FromDowntown]

Turnovers.

The most for a player still active in the league today. ������
Ast to TO ratio good point

Better than Kobe and MJ. Thanks for reminding us

[Axe]

Ast to TO ratio good point

Better than Kobe and MJ. Thanks for reminding us
Stat padding at its finest.

[FromDowntown]

Stat padding at its finest.

Check mate :lol

[Axe]

Check mate :lol
Best ever player from a losing team?

Eew. 💩

[deathawaitu]

So... what the OP is saying is that

21 year old Kobe already had 2 rings and was on his way for a 3peat

While a 21 year old Lebron had finally made his first playoff on his 3rd attempt?

1/3? 3/9? :applause: Geez Lebron will never escape the 33% fate

[aj1987]

What if the goal post is the goal of the game? Like championships?

Horry has more than the dude whose dick size you defend. :cheers:

[Shooter]

Yo free my boi Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiico

This thread is dope information.

[k 96]

LE 3 OF 9 HYPE or KOBE 5 OF 7 BRYANT

[TheCorporation]

LE 3 OF 9 HYPE or KOBE 5 OF 7 BRYANT

Fun Fact: It took Kobe 6 NBA Finals trips to achieve his first Finals MVP

2000 no
2001 no
2002 no
2004 no
2008 no
2009 yep

https://media.giphy.com/media/wiQ9N7iMkMH2o/giphy.gif

[HoopsNY]

Another tear down post devoid of any meaningful analysis. Let me be the first to admit that LeBron > Kobe in the all-time rankings and this can't be debated. Having said that, the OP makes it seem that LeBron's first series was out of the realm of achievement for Kobe.

Lebron was 21 facing a 22nd ranked defensive team in the Wizards in 2006 that won 42 games. LeBron put up 35.7 PPG with no other teammate to really score alongside with him.

Kobe wasn't too far off, though. Yes, LeBron has the edge here because he scored such a high amount of PPG in his first series, but given the weakness of the team and their defense, that has to be considered.

At age 22, Kobe faced a 55 win Sacramento team, ranked 7th in Drtg, and put up 35.0 PPG, all while sharing a scoring load with Shaq.

So while LeBron seems to have somewhat of an edge in this comparison, there is more detail that should be considered, especially when you consider how the triangle offense works under Phil Jackson and having to share the ball with another elite scorer.

[k 96]

Fun Fact: It took Kobe 6 NBA Finals trips to achieve his first Finals MVP

2000 no
2001 no
2002 no
2004 no
2008 no
2009 yep

https://media.giphy.com/media/wiQ9N7iMkMH2o/giphy.gif

Finals MVPs are adorable and all, but Im pretty sure most if not all of the NBA players would preffer to have more NBA Championships than FMVPs. As of now LeHype James remains at 3 of 9, and KB24 will forever be at 5 of 7.

[Shooter]

Finals MVPs are adorable and all, but Im pretty sure most if not all of the NBA players would preffer to have more NBA Championships than FMVPs. As of now LeHype James remains at 3 of 9, and KB24 will forever be at 5 of 7.

Wrong :lol

Unless you're saying Horry > MJ

Or Pip = MJ
Or Fisher = Kobe

:lol Think HARD this time before responding

[ImKobe]

Lebron was 21 facing a 22nd ranked defensive team in the Wizards in 2006 that won 42 games. LeBron put up 35.7 PPG with no other teammate to really score alongside with him.

Kobe wasn't too far off, though. Yes, LeBron has the edge here because he scored such a high amount of PPG in his first series, but given the weakness of the team and their defense, that has to be considered.

At age 22, Kobe faced a 55 win Sacramento team, ranked 7th in Drtg, and put up 35.0 PPG, all while sharing a scoring load with Shaq.

So while LeBron seems to have somewhat of an edge in this comparison, there is more detail that should be considered, especially when you consider how the triangle offense works under Phil Jackson and having to share the ball with another elite scorer.

There's no edge, really. Lebron faced a really bad defensive team. It was a rarity for Kobe to face a defense as bad as that one, he did face an equally bad defensive team in the Suns in 2010, and put up 33.7/7.2/8.3 with just 2.5 TOV on 52.1%FG/63.7%TS, 135 ORTG to Lebron's 35.7/7.5/5.7 with 5.6 TOV 51%FG/59.9%TS & 113 ORTG in the Washington series. Lebron also played 35 more minutes to get the 12 extra points.

[Gray GOAT]

Finals MVPs are adorable and all, but Im pretty sure most if not all of the NBA players would preffer to have more NBA Championships than FMVPs. As of now LeHype James remains at 3 of 9, and KB24 will forever be at 5 of 7.

It is almost factually impossible to have more Finals MVPs than championships, lol. You know, those things tend to go hand in hand. Furthermore, having seen 2004 transpire, it would seem Kobe Bryant did in fact care a lot about being the MVP of a series.

[HoopsNY]

There's no edge, really. Lebron faced a really bad defensive team. It was a rarity for Kobe to face a defense as bad as that one, he did face an equally bad defensive team in the Suns in 2010, and put up 33.7/7.2/8.3 with just 2.5 TOV on 52.1%FG/63.7%TS, 135 ORTG to Lebron's 35.7/7.5/5.7 with 5.6 TOV 51%FG/59.9%TS & 113 ORTG in the Washington series. Lebron also played 35 more minutes to get the 12 extra points.

The problem is, the numbers you're posting aren't apples to apples in a sense. The OP emphasized LeBron's first series at the age of 21. The closest thing Kobe has to that is at a similar age. And at that age, he produced similarly, which really makes the OP irrelevant.

[aj1987]

There's no edge, really. Lebron faced a really bad defensive team. It was a rarity for Kobe to face a defense as bad as that one, he did face an equally bad defensive team in the Suns in 2010, and put up 33.7/7.2/8.3 with just 2.5 TOV on 52.1%FG/63.7%TS, 135 ORTG to Lebron's 35.7/7.5/5.7 with 5.6 TOV 51%FG/59.9%TS & 113 ORTG in the Washington series. Lebron also played 35 more minutes to get the 12 extra points.

Yeah, and you're comparing a kid LeBron to pretty much end of peak Kobe. How about 2017 Finals? LeBron dropped a light 34/12/10/1/1 on 63%, while being guarded by KD, Green, and Klay. That's a better series than Kobe ever dreamed of having. Not even close. Did I mention the fact that the Warriors were the #1 offense and #2 defense? A 67 win team?

LeBron probably has at least a half dozen series better than Kobe's BEST and Kobe's second best wouldn't be in LeBron's top 10.

[ImKobe]

Yeah, and you're comparing a kid LeBron to pretty much end of peak Kobe. How about 2017 Finals? LeBron dropped a light 34/12/10/1/1 on 63%, while being guarded by KD, Green, and Klay. That's a better series than Kobe ever dreamed of having. Not even close. Did I mention the fact that the Warriors were the #1 offense and #2 defense? A 67 win team?

LeBron probably has at least a half dozen series better than Kobe's BEST and Kobe's second best wouldn't be in LeBron's top 10.

Not really peak Kobe, he had his knee drained mid-Playoffs and played with a broken index finger on his shooting hand, but he absolutely annihilated bad defenses in the Playoffs like Lebron, difference is he played in the triangle like Jordan & didn't dominate the ball as much to rack up the assist totals. The small difference in ppg doesn't really say much here. Most of Lebron's best series came in losses as well, so would you really compare those to Kobe playing winning basketball on a teams that won championships? Also, there's the difference in eras and peak Kobe (06-07) playing on mediocre teams. 07 Spurs shut down Lebron, he had the worst/2nd worst series of his career while 08 Kobe toyed with the same defense, also, young Kobe annihilated those Spurs squads and went 4 - 1 against them in the Playoffs from 01-08.

Warriors did have a great defense, but played at a ridiculous pace in 2017 and 2018 Finals, and the series were mostly lopsided so how much worth do we put in these stats? Great, Lebron averages a 30-point triple-double, but loses in blowouts and isn't even the best player in the series.

[LAmbruh]

21 years old. His 1st playoff showing ever and already eclipsed Kobe?

35.7 ppg on 51/38/75

Link for proof:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2006-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-wizards-vs-cavaliers.html

:lebronamazed:


that shit be cray


king of LA


:pimp:

[aj1987]

Not really peak Kobe, he had his knee drained mid-Playoffs and played with a broken index finger on his shooting hand but he absolutely annihilated bad defenses in the Playoffs like Lebron, difference is he played in the triangle like Jordan & didn't dominate the ball as much to rack up the assist totals. The small difference in ppg doesn't really say much here. Most of Lebron's best series came in losses as well, so would you really compare those to Kobe playing winning basketball on a teams that won championships? Also, there's the difference in eras and peak Kobe (06-07) playing on mediocre teams. 07 Spurs shut down Lebron, he had the worst/2nd worst series of his career while 08 Kobe toyed with the same defense, also, young Kobe annihilated those Spurs squads and went 4 - 1 against them in the Playoffs from 01-08.

Warriors did have a great defense, but played at a ridiculous pace in 2017 and 2018 Finals, and the series were mostly lopsided so how much worth do we put in these stats? Great, Lebron averages a 30-point triple-double, but loses in blowouts and isn't even the best player in the series.

What are you smoking? It's also funny how you want to bring up injuries now, but want to downplay injuries to LeBron's teammates.

That being said, you literally can't refute anything I said, cause I was posting FACTS. Lets not forget that LeBron's '12 series vs Boston, '09 series vs Orlando, '09 vs Hawks, '09 vs Pistons, '18 vs Boston, '18 vs Raptors, '18 vs Indiana, etc. are all better than Kobe's bets, and it's not close.

Kobe doesn't dominate the ball? LMAO! The guy's picture is next to the word selfish and ballhog in the dictionary.

Also, the '07 Spurs are not the same as the '08 Spurs. How you now understand that? If you want to compare that way, LeBron was lighting up the same Magic team that Kobe shot 29% against in the 4th Q's. LeBron backdoor swept the same Thunder team that embarrassed Kobe in the '12 PO's.

[ImKobe]

What are you smoking? It's also funny how you want to bring up injuries now, but want to downplay injuries to LeBron's teammates.

That being said, you literally can't refute anything I said, cause I was posting FACTS. Lets not forget that LeBron's '12 series vs Boston, '09 series vs Orlando, '09 vs Hawks, '09 vs Pistons, '18 vs Boston, '18 vs Raptors, '18 vs Indiana, etc. are all better than Kobe's bets, and it's not close.

Kobe doesn't dominate the ball? LMAO! The guy's picture is next to the word selfish and ballhog in the dictionary.

Also, the '07 Spurs are not the same as the '08 Spurs. How you now understand that? If you want to compare that way, LeBron was lighting up the same Magic team that Kobe shot 29% against in the 4th Q's. LeBron backdoor swept the same Thunder team that embarrassed Kobe in the '12 PO's.

Off your meds again?


Lebron averaged 34/11/4 on 59%TS against Boston in the '12 ECF, Kobe '01 vs Kings averaged 35/9/4 59%TS

"way better"
"not even close"

Cool, Kobe shot badly overall in 4th quarters against Orlando, two of their wins were blowouts and he shot badly in the 4th 1 out of the 2 OT games they won (3/7 FG in OT), and? You'll take pretty stats and an L over slightly worse stats & a W?

[aj1987]

Off your meds again?
Nah, I just have FACTS on my side. Unlike you.



Lebron averaged 34/11/4 on 59%TS against Boston in the '12 ECF, Kobe '01 vs Kings averaged 35/9/4 59%TS

"way better"
"not even close"
Doesn't even come close. Kobe was playing with PEAK Shaq. LeBron was playing with an injured past him prime Wade and Bosh missed significant time due to injury. Context. Why is that an alien concept to you?

Shaq averaged 33/17/2/1/3 that series on 59% TS. :oldlol:


Cool, Kobe shot badly overall in 4th quarters against Orlando, two of their wins were blowouts and he shot badly in the 4th 1 out of the 2 OT games they won (3/7 FG in OT), and? You'll take pretty stats and an L over slightly worse stats & a W?
Point is, Kobe got carried. When was the last time LeBron played that bad and his team won. Dude was on a stacked team and got carried hard.

[Doranku]

A guy who averaged 32% of his team's points and more assists than his other 4 starters combined was "carried hard" :oldlol: Can't make this shit up.

[Turbo Slayer]

A guy who averaged 32% of his team's points and more assists than his other 4 starters combined was "carried hard" :oldlol: Can't make this shit up. I agree with you here. I disagree with the notion that Kobe was 'carried'.

[Turbo Slayer]

Nah, I just have FACTS on my side. Unlike you.



Doesn't even come close. Kobe was playing with PEAK Shaq. LeBron was playing with an injured past him prime Wade and Bosh missed significant time due to injury. Context. Why is that an alien concept to you?

Shaq averaged 33/17/2/1/3 that series on 59% TS. :oldlol:


Point is, Kobe got carried. When was the last time LeBron played that bad and his team won. Dude was on a stacked team and got carried hard. I disagree with you. Specifically, the last 3 sentences. He wasn't carried at all.

[ImKobe]

Nah, I just have FACTS on my side. Unlike you.



Doesn't even come close. Kobe was playing with PEAK Shaq. LeBron was playing with an injured past him prime Wade and Bosh missed significant time due to injury. Context. Why is that an alien concept to you?

Shaq averaged 33/17/2/1/3 that series on 59% TS. :oldlol:


Point is, Kobe got carried. When was the last time LeBron played that bad and his team won. Dude was on a stacked team and got carried hard.

Doesn't matter who he was playing with, he put up those numbers and he closed the Kings out with a sweep with a 48/16 performance. He led the Lakers in WS and he led the Playoffs in RAPM. Kobe and Shaq were both first options, though Kobe also ran the offense as well and was the closer on the team. This is 22 y.o Kobe matching peak Lebron's numbers and he's doing it in a tougher defensive era. You sound really upset today.

[kawhileonard2]

If LeBron had 8 years with PRIME Shaq like Kobe we are talking 5 rings minimum, and probably 6 or even 7.

He had Shaq and only got to round 2.

[aj1987]

Doesn't matter who he was playing with, he put up those numbers and he closed the Kings out with a sweep with a 48/16 performance. He led the Lakers in WS and he led the Playoffs in RAPM. Kobe and Shaq were both first options, though Kobe also ran the offense as well and was the closer on the team. This is 22 y.o Kobe matching peak Lebron's numbers and he's doing it in a tougher defensive era. You sound really upset today.
Why would I be upset? LeBron in his 17th season took the Lakers to the #1 seed. Kobe couldn't do that past his 14th season. Struggled to make the PO's in his 17th season. LeBron is a top 10 GOAT and there's a good chance Kobe gets kicked out the top 15 with KD, Kawhi, Giannis, etc. rising.

Shaq being in the team doesn't matter? Him garnering double teams and demanding a ton of attention doesn't matter? As I said, learn basketball before you talk about it. :cheers:


A guy who averaged 32% of his team's points and more assists than his other 4 starters combined was "carried hard" :oldlol: Can't make this shit up.

I was talking about the 4th quarters. Try to keep up.

[Doranku]

Why would I be upset? LeBron in his 17th season took the Lakers to the #1 seed. Kobe couldn't do that past his 14th season. Struggled to make the PO's in his 17th season. LeBron is a top 10 GOAT and there's a good chance Kobe gets kicked out the top 15 with KD, Kawhi, Giannis, etc. rising.

Shaq being in the team doesn't matter? Him garnering double teams and demanding a ton of attention doesn't matter? As I said, learn basketball before you talk about it. :cheers:



I was talking about the 4th quarters. Try to keep up.

I don't care what you're talking about. :oldlol: To insinuate Kobe was carried in the 2009 finals should be banworthy. Pure trolling at its finest.

[FromDowntown]

21 years old. His 1st playoff showing ever and already eclipsed Kobe?

35.7 ppg on 51/38/75

Link for proof:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2006-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-wizards-vs-cavaliers.html

Wow...Crazy

[aj1987]

I don't care what you're talking about. :oldlol: To insinuate Kobe was carried in the 2009 finals should be banworthy. Pure trolling at its finest.

I actually had a response typed out, but this pictures does the job 1000x better.

https://i.postimg.cc/DwJyJfyp/22e8ed283e77156759e34b2ac45b8402498a4506v2-hq.jpg

[TheCorporation]

Kobe fans?

You there?

[Thenameless]

It's simple. Lebron is just plain better than Kobe.

[Axe]

Kobe fans?

You there?
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRq8p7d18-z6a1-zPtnTEsNNqXiPgw8lNwCng&usqp=CAU

[TheCorporation]

21 years old. His 1st playoff showing ever and already eclipsed Kobe?

35.7 ppg on 51/38/75

Link for proof:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2006-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-wizards-vs-cavaliers.html

Wow is this tru?

In LeBron's 1st ever playoff series he had a higher PPG than any of Kobe's playoff series in his entire playoff career?

[LAL]

Why would you guys embarass my boy AJ bumping this old topic like that? He's one of yours and got owned.

[aj1987]

Why would you guys embarass my boy AJ bumping this old topic like that? He's one of yours and got owned.

Like every single retarded LeBron hater, you are deathly allergic to FACTS as well. :cheers:

Now go hop onto one of your alts and quote yourself.

[light]

21 years old. His 1st playoff showing ever and already eclipsed Kobe?

35.7 ppg on 51/38/75

Link for proof:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2006-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-wizards-vs-cavaliers.html

Two game winners in that series too.

LEGENDARY

GOAT

https://i.makeagif.com/media/10-03-2016/an9j5z.gif

[deathawaitu]

Na we don’t count any east series

What was Lebron average in his first final?

Didn’t the kid shoot like 30% fg lol

[aj1987]

Na we don’t count any east series

What was Lebron average in his first final?

Didn’t the kid shoot like 30% fg lol

LeBron in his first NBA Finals - 22/7/7/1/1 on 42.8% TS%

Kobe in his first NBA Finals - 16/5/4/1/1 on 41% TS%

Switch accounts, retard.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[2much_knowledge]

LeBron in his first NBA Finals - 22/7/7/1/1 on 42.8% TS%

Kobe in his first NBA Finals - 16/5/4/1/1 on 41% TS%

Switch accounts, retard.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Did lebron got his ankle fkd up? Thats what i thought

At least kobe went back at it in 2 games. How many games missed lebron over an ankle sprain? Like 30? Lmao

[2much_knowledge]

Not impressed. Kobe scored more in 3 quarters than lebron his whole life.

[Mr.GOAT2408]

That Wizards defense was garbage, they had a really good offense though

[ImKobe]

LeBron in his first NBA Finals - 22/7/7/1/1 on 42.8% TS%

Kobe in his first NBA Finals - 16/5/4/1/1 on 41% TS%

Switch accounts, retard.

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Wow, still using the 2000 Finals argument like Kobe didn't get injured in the first quarter of Game 2...At least he won a game on the road first game back from injury with Shaq fouled out & don't leave out the 5.8 turnovers for Lebron btw :kobe: Lebron played 43 mpg to Kobe's 35 and had 23 turnovers to Kobe's 6. Also, he was shut down by a 35 y.o Bowen, how many times we saw Kobe destroy that Spurs' defense?

[aj1987]

Wow, still using the 2000 Finals argument like Kobe didn't get injured in the first quarter of Game 2...At least he won a game on the road first game back from injury with Shaq fouled out & don't leave out the 5.8 turnovers for Lebron btw :kobe: Lebron played 43 mpg to Kobe's 35 and had 23 turnovers to Kobe's 6. Also, he was shut down by a 35 y.o Bowen, how many times we saw Kobe destroy that Spurs' defense?

Bowen was First Team All-Defense in 2007, shit for brains. LeBron in 2007 was SIGNIFICANTLY better than Kobe in 2000. Lets not forge the FACT that Kobe was playing with a top 5 GOAT in Shaq, who was commanding pretty much all the defensive attention.

You act like First Team All-Def Bowen was trash, but funny how you ignored the FACT that Brick was guarded by players, who are about 10x worse defensively than 2007 Bowen. Dude got outplayed by Austin Croshere. Let that sink in. :roll:


Did lebron got his ankle fkd up? Thats what i thought
Yeah, got his ankle "fkd up" and still decides to keep chucking the ball. Speaks volumes about his basketball IQ (or the lack of it).



At least kobe went back at it in 2 games. How many games missed lebron over an ankle sprain? Like 30? Lmao
Since you're a retarded little shit, let me educate you. There are different types of ankle sprains. Not all sprains are the same. Also, you're comparing a young Kobe to LeBron who is 36 and in his 18th season.

[ImKobe]

Bowen was First Team All-Defense in 2007, shit for brains. LeBron in 2007 was SIGNIFICANTLY better than Kobe in 2000. Lets not forge the FACT that Kobe was playing with a top 5 GOAT in Shaq, who was commanding pretty much all the defensive attention.

You act like First Team All-Def Bowen was trash, but funny how you ignored the FACT that Brick was guarded by players, who are about 10x worse defensively than 2007 Bowen. Dude got outplayed by Austin Croshere. Let that sink in. :roll:

Lebron was 22 in '07, Kobe was '21 in '00. 22 y.o Kobe averaged 29/7/6 for his title run and mopped the floor with peak Duncan.

[aj1987]

Lebron was 22 in '07, Kobe was '21 in '00. 22 y.o Kobe averaged 29/7/6 for his title run and mopped the floor with peak Duncan.

Playing with a top 5 GOAT in Shaq sure does help with that. Not to mention the GOAT coach. Also, literally no one is talking about the '01 PO's. Try to keep up, kid. Mopped the floor with Duncan? LMAO, lets ignore the fact that Shaq held Duncan to 23 PPG on 53% TS. Shaq completely shut down the paint and was the defensive anchor. Not to mention he averaged 30/15/3/2 on 56% shooting for the entire PO run.

Who was LeBron playing with in '07 again?

[SATAN]

aj really mopping the floor with these clowns

[ImKobe]

Playing with a top 5 GOAT in Shaq sure does help with that. Not to mention the GOAT coach. Also, literally no one is talking about the '01 PO's. Try to keep up, kid. Mopped the floor with Duncan? LMAO, lets ignore the fact that Shaq held Duncan to 23 PPG on 53% TS. Shaq completely shut down the paint and was the defensive anchor. Not to mention he averaged 30/15/3/2 on 56% shooting for the entire PO run.

Who was LeBron playing with in '07 again?

"held", like that wasn't Duncan's average at the time (22 ppg on 53%TS in RS). Duncan put up 40 on Shaq and held him to 19 on 38% in one of those games too lol. All I know is that Big Z put up damn near identical numbers to Pau against the Spurs but the Lakers didn't get swept the following year..wonder why.

[ELITEpower23]

To summarize

LeBron scored more ppg in his first ever playoff series than Kobe ever scored in any playoff series during his entire career?

Is Kobe even top 15 after this?

[aj1987]

"held", like that wasn't Duncan's average at the time (22 ppg on 53%TS in RS). Duncan put up 40 on Shaq and held him to 19 on 38% in one of those games too lol. All I know is that Big Z put up damn near identical numbers to Pau against the Spurs but the Lakers didn't get swept the following year..wonder why.

The way is cherrypick is just amazing. Yeah, and if you remove that one outlier game, Duncan's numbers fall from 23 PPG on 53% TS% to under 20 PPG on under 50% TS%. If you do the same to Shaq, his numbers go up significantly as well.

As for Big Z, are you dyslexic? Ilgauskus averaged 7.8 PPG on 35.1% shooting against the Spurs in the 2007 Finals. Dude was significantly better than Z. The Lakers were a much better team than the Cavs and it's not close.

Not to mention you're comparing PEAK MVP Kobe to 21 year old LeBron. Wonder why.

[TheCorporation]

21 years old. His 1st playoff showing ever and already eclipsed Kobe?

35.7 ppg on 51/38/75

Link for proof:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2006-nba-eastern-conference-first-round-wizards-vs-cavaliers.html

Friendly reminder <3

[TheCorporation]

To summarize

LeBron scored more ppg in his first ever playoff series than Kobe ever scored in any playoff series during his entire career?

Is Kobe even top 15 after this?

Exactly.

To answer....Probably not in 5 more years (KD, Giannis, Curry, Kawhi, Harden).