Bucks and Lakers on pace for 73 wins

[Marchesk]

What. A. Time!

70 wins would require a 46-9 record the rest of the way.

[3ball]

Bucks and Lakers on pace for 73 wins



This is the kind of juggernaut he was supposed to have with the Heat and Cavs, but instead he was a perennial loser and underdog - from 2011-2017, he either lost the Finals or was the underdog for 6 of 7 years.

Only once he teams up with the modern day Kareem does he have a juggernaut..

Not impressed at all






Bucks and Lakers on pace for 73 wins


In 2010, Wade was #2 in PER, VORP, BPM and WS/48 - so he was the 2nd best player in the league, aka the best help possible... Yet Lebron either lost or was underdog for 3 of 4 years alongside Wade and a top 4 PF, plus he had a 3rd HOF teammate in Allen, the 2nd goat shooter... :facepalm

So this year marks the 2nd time he's teamed up with the #2 or 3 player in the league - so the best help possible.

who can't win without the best help possible?... how is it respectable to team up with all the best young studs in the league and still be a perennial underdog and mostly lose? (from 2011-2017, he was underdog or lost for 6 of 7 years with superteams)

team-hopping to play with all the best players isn't respectable.. even if he was winning every year... and he's mostly losing

[Marchesk]

even if he was winning every year... and he's mostly losing

So ... any thoughts on Giannis?

[Rico2016]

Teams start to taper off as the season lets on, right? The 2016 Warriors started off as a sports history best of 36-2

Only 4 teams ever had a 36-3 start
16 Warriors
96 Bulls
72 Lakers
67 Sixers

To match that start the Bucks and Lakers would need to go 12-0 over the next 12. And even then, from this 36-3 start, only one team remained a sports history best 49-5. The 16 Warriors

They stretched that 36-2 start to a sports history best start of 55-5. If any team has a shot at getting 73 wins they need to hit the following benchmarks

36-2 (missed)
55-5 (pending)
69-8 (pending)

It's early, and they are a long ways off from any of these of course, and they already cannot get a sports best 36-2 start since both already have the 3 losses. Their next best hope is to get a 55-5 start which would mean the Lakers (24-3) and Bucks (24-3) would both need to go 21-2 for the next 22 games to stay on pace. Not happening.

[3ball]

So ... any thoughts on Giannis?


Well, let's compare one of Lebron's primary strengths to Giannis - rim attack - Giannis is far superior - over 200 dunks compared to Lebron's high of 145 dunks

And Giannis' jumpshot is better at the same stage, at least based on his 24-year old performance against the champs in last year's ECF - 23/14/6 on 44.8 fg and 23.7% on jumpers....

versus Lebron's 22-year old playoff performance against the champs - 22/7/6 on 35.6 fg and 17.9% on jumpers...

links for jumpshot stats found in OP here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471526


keep in mind that Lebron has the advantage development-wise, being an American and all..

So giannis is clearly better at rim attack and possibly jumpshooting at the same stage - he's just bigger, stronger, faster, better...

[Rico2016]

Well, let's compare one of Lebron's primary strengths to Giannis - rim attack - Giannis is far superior - over 200 dunks compared to Lebron's high of 145

And Giannis' jumpshot is better at the same stage, at least based on his 24-year old performance against the champs in last year's ECF - 23/14/6 on 44.8 fg and 23.7% jumpers.... versus Lebron's 22-year old playoff performance against the champs - 22/7/6 on 35.6 fg and 17.9% on jumpers... keep in mind that Lebron has the advantage development-wise, being an American and all..

links for jumpshot stats found in OP here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471526


So giannis is clearly better at rim attack and possibly jumpshooting at the same stage - he's just bigger, stronger, faster, better...

Do you think Giannis can pass your idol with 6,000 playoff points like LeBron did?

[LAmbruh]

oh we eating good

[3ball]

Do you think Giannis can pass your idol with 6,000 playoff points like LeBron did?


He's the next big thing (until Kuminga happens)

He could catch Jordan in career points if he plays long enough like Lebron, or gets a legit jumper - his best chance is developing a great turnaround, since that's what he'll need when defenses cut off the lane in the playoffs.. I haven't seen a single clip of him this year, so I don't know if he's been doing that or not.. you would probably know better than me

the reality is that he's physically superior to his competition, so he doesn't need much of a jumper in the regular season - he's like a dominant athlete in high school that doesn't take a pull-up jumper all year because he finishes at the rim at will (aka zion in high school, and even college).

But the reality is that no one is catching MJ in playoff scoring, aka PPG.. he's nearly 4 points above everyone else in playoff history at 33.5, while 2nd place is 29.7.. the gap between 1 and 2 is greater than the gap between 2 and 10.. Ultimately, he's 4-6 points above all the best scorers in playoff history, with the best efficiency rating and winning contribution as well (PER and ws/48).. So Giannis has some pretty big shoes to fill, but being better than the current fake goat has ever been is a good start.

[yarrak]

Well, let's compare one of Lebron's primary strengths to Giannis - rim attack - Giannis is far superior - over 200 dunks compared to Lebron's high of 145 dunks

And Giannis' jumpshot is better at the same stage, at least based on his 24-year old performance against the champs in last year's ECF - 23/14/6 on 44.8 fg and 23.7% on jumpers....

versus Lebron's 22-year old playoff performance against the champs - 22/7/6 on 35.6 fg and 17.9% on jumpers...

links for jumpshot stats found in OP here: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=471526


keep in mind that Lebron has the advantage development-wise, being an American and all..

So giannis is clearly better at rim attack and possibly jumpshooting at the same stage - he's just bigger, stronger, faster, better...


Since when 22 and 24 are considered the same stage? Lol at Giannis having a better jumpshot then Lebron at the same age.

Below video is Lebron at 24 years old against the #1 defensive team in the league. If you still think Giannis has a better jumper then I won't waste my time replying to a low iq idiot like you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq-7hEJx9mM

25 year old Giannis is yet to have a better playoff series than 21 year old Bron's first ever playoff series.

[Rico2016]

Since when 22 and 24 are considered the same stage? Lol at Giannis having a better jumpshot then Lebron at the same age.

Below video is Lebron at 24 years old against the #1 defensive team in the league. If you still think Giannis has a better jumper then I won't waste my time replying to a low iq idiot like you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq-7hEJx9mM

25 year old Giannis is yet to have a better playoff series than 21 year old Bron's first ever playoff series.


Shut this one down we got a killer on our hands.