Giannis is obliterating the PER record [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

Marchesk

12-17-2019, 08:43 AM

It's still only a third into the season, but this might be the highest a player has ever reached 20+ games into a season. Unless Wilt or Jordan had an insane start to one of their peak seasons.

https://i.postimg.cc/ydCn85vF/nba-per-single-season-all-time.png

Gotterdammerung

12-17-2019, 09:17 AM

Wilt's numbers are not complete; they are from the dark ages where blocks and steals and turnovers weren't recorded.
:kobe:

East River Livn'

12-17-2019, 09:26 AM

He's the GOAT.

Sure he has less MVPs and rings than others but stats though. Where have I heard that before?

Marchesk

12-17-2019, 09:28 AM

Wilt's numbers are not complete; they are from the dark ages where blocks and steals and turnovers weren't recorded.
:kobe:

Has anyone ever tried to estimate that? I've heard Wilt averaged 7-10 blocks per game based on the taped games available. No idea bout steals and turnovers.

Haymaker

12-17-2019, 10:20 AM

Why he can't win in the Playoffs? Why he can't win a simple gold medal? :oldlol:

Manny98

12-17-2019, 10:24 AM

3 of the top 10 are from this season :bowdown:

Proof LeBron is playing in the toughest era EVER

he has to go through 3 top 10 PER players ever + the Clippers with PG + Kawhi

superduper

12-17-2019, 10:27 AM

3 of the top 10 are from this season :bowdown:

Proof LeBron is playing in the toughest era EVER

he has to go through 3 top 10 PER players ever + the Clippers with PG + Kawhi

Imagine being this out of touch with reality :oldlol:

Mr. Jabbar

12-17-2019, 10:48 AM

3 of the top 10 are from this season :bowdown:

Proof LeBron is playing in the toughest era EVER

he has to go through 3 top 10 PER players ever + the Clippers with PG + Kawhi

good catch, letripod does it again.

chains5000

12-17-2019, 11:20 AM

Has anyone ever tried to estimate that? I've heard Wilt averaged 7-10 blocks per game based on the taped games available. No idea bout steals and turnovers.
I'd say turnovers would be a lot, he played a LOT of minutes.

Celtics 1825

12-17-2019, 01:08 PM

Luka being 2nd highest is even more impressive tbh :eek:

3ball

12-17-2019, 01:30 PM

Luka being 2nd highest is even more impressive tbh :eek:
that proves how weak the league is

does anyone think this guy is anywhere near 09' Lebron, or any number of greats, yet he has higher PER .. :facepalm ... what better proof is there that the league is weak as hell

FKAri

12-17-2019, 01:34 PM

that proves how weak the league is

does anyone think this guy is anywhere near 09' Lebron, or any number of greats, yet he has higher PER .. :facepalm ... what better proof is there that the league is weak as hell
He's like a stronger Bird with better shooting/passing. And I heard that guy mollywhopped MJ. If Luka played in the 90's he'd be on the $20 bill.

Akeem34TheDream

12-17-2019, 01:47 PM

He's like a stronger Bird with better shooting/passing. And I heard that guy mollywhopped MJ. If Luka played in the 90's he'd be on the $20 bill.
Damnnn. Luka might be the goat.

FireDavidKahn

12-17-2019, 02:03 PM

that proves how weak the league is

does anyone think this guy is anywhere near 09' Lebron, or any number of greats, yet he has higher PER .. :facepalm ... what better proof is there that the league is weak as hell
Says the guy who uses PER in nearly every argument.:roll:

PickernRoller

12-17-2019, 02:49 PM

This weak ass era is gonna **** a bunch of records from the Golden Age of the NBA.

Sad reality.

Keno

12-17-2019, 03:24 PM

3 of the top 10 are from this season :bowdown:

Proof LeBron is playing in the toughest era EVER

he has to go through 3 top 10 PER players ever + the Clippers with PG + Kawhi

pretty much this.

most stacked era of all time, bench warmers can come in and easily drop career numbers due how talented every individual is. no milkmen and convenience store workers to be found.

superduper

12-17-2019, 03:27 PM

pretty much this.

most stacked era of all time, bench warmers can come in and easily drop career numbers due how talented every individual is. no milkmen and convenience store workers to be found.

What about literal street vendors winning MVP in the modern superalien era...

...oops :(

colts19

12-17-2019, 03:38 PM

He's like a stronger Bird with better shooting/passing. And I heard that guy mollywhopped MJ. If Luka played in the 90's he'd be on the $20 bill.
Read the Bolded part then slap yourself for be so stupid.

FKAri

12-17-2019, 03:42 PM

This milkmen nonsense has gotten out of hand. They were actually grocery baggers and car mechanics. You know if you guys are going to continue to twist the facts then this website ceases to be a place where we can have an objective basketball discussion.

Marchesk

12-17-2019, 03:58 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/ht0C6MBc/giannis-kareem-25.png

This is a week or so outdated, but similar numbers.

Airupthere

12-17-2019, 04:25 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/ht0C6MBc/giannis-kareem-25.png

This is a week or so outdated, but similar numbers.

Biggest difference I see here is the mpg. Giannis putting up similar numbers with 11 minutes less per game.

FKAri

12-17-2019, 04:26 PM

Biggest difference I see here is the mpg. Giannis putting up similar numbers with 11 minutes less per game.
Better FG% despite taking 5 3's a game :eek:

Sakkreth

12-17-2019, 07:32 PM

insidehoops

03-05-2020, 04:21 PM

Update: Giannis the clear MVP favorite again.

FKAri

03-05-2020, 04:41 PM

He's the GOAT.

Sure he has less MVPs and rings than others but stats though. Where have I heard that before?

In the Chicago Tribune fan mail section after MJ lost to the Pistons in 1990.

Ghost1

03-05-2020, 05:20 PM

Antetohungo

Marchesk

03-05-2020, 05:23 PM

Antethickemz

LostCause

03-05-2020, 05:41 PM

Thing is he has to finish the season before it really counts

Jordan, Wilt, Bron have all had similar things where their PER was insanely high but dropped by the end of the year. Wilts PED is likely much higher than what we have recorded as well

It’s a good chance Giannis can set the PER record but he can also wind up placing lower. I think the game against the Heat dropped his PER to about 31.6 or so, showing how much 1 bad game can influence it. Either way will be great to follow

Pushxx

03-05-2020, 08:16 PM

Holy shit PER doesn't mean anything lol it's just an arbitrary mish-mash of arbitrary stats.

BigShotBob

03-05-2020, 09:59 PM

https://i.postimg.cc/ht0C6MBc/giannis-kareem-25.png

This is a week or so outdated, but similar numbers.

Giannis plays in a much higher pace than Kareem did. Almost half of Giannis's points are in transition.

Rico2016

03-05-2020, 10:36 PM

In the Chicago Tribune fan mail section after MJ lost to the Pistons in 1990.

*for the third straight year in a row before crying to the refs

Rico2016

03-05-2020, 11:27 PM

warriorfan

03-05-2020, 11:35 PM

Giannis won’t be able to beat LeBrons record of joining with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league.

Rico2016

03-06-2020, 12:49 AM

Giannis won’t be able to beat LeBrons record of joining with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league.

Will he beat Curry's 5 straight Finals with 0 FMVPs? :eek:

#NBArecord

SamuraiSWISH

03-06-2020, 02:58 AM

Giannis won’t be able to beat LeBrons record of joining with the 2nd and 4th highest PER in the league.

Based on all time PER, the second and third best players EVER are playing on the same lakers team this year :biggums: how does that team NOT win just this years chip ... but multiple championships?!

Gileraracer

03-06-2020, 03:45 AM

Based on all time PER, the second and third best players EVER are playing on the same lakers team this year :biggums: how does that team NOT win just this years chip ... but multiple championships?!

Lebron is not known for winning finals

guy

03-06-2020, 10:24 AM

PER is a per minute stat correct? So while still impressive, the lower number of minutes does make it less impressive correct?

SamuraiSWISH

03-06-2020, 09:24 PM

Lebron is not known for winning finals

I know that’s his calling card, but how do you not when with statistically the third best player ever based on PER in his prime / peak

:biggums:

Pointguard

03-07-2020, 01:44 AM

PER is a per minute stat correct? So while still impressive, the lower number of minutes does make it less impressive correct?

Not really. He's top five in PPG and RPG while likely first team all defense. Very different if he wasn't.

Pointguard

03-07-2020, 01:51 AM

Giannis plays in a much higher pace than Kareem did. Almost half of Giannis's points are in transition.

I'm pretty sure in '72 the pace was faster than today. Kareem had the sky-hook which was like a layup. Both had their physical advantages. And Kareem played a whopping 12 more minutes per game or a whole quarter.

FireDavidKahn

03-07-2020, 02:20 AM

Giannis puts stats above everything else.

"highest PER"

BigShotBob

03-07-2020, 02:31 AM

I'm pretty sure in '72 the pace was faster than today. Kareem had the sky-hook which was like a layup. Both had their physical advantages. And Kareem played a whopping 12 more minutes per game or a whole quarter.

The only thing that was high in '72 were the players from doing cocaine.

Skyhook is infinitely harder than a layup. Kareem just made it look easy.

He played more minutes because the game was far more choppy.

Pointguard

03-08-2020, 02:32 AM

The only thing that was high in '72 were the players from doing cocaine.

Skyhook is infinitely harder than a layup. Kareem just made it look easy.

He played more minutes because the game was far more choppy.

The pace was faster in 1972. And if the players were doing cocaine now, Giannis would be far better. Not sure why that was said?

Kareem was the tallest player in the league and had the longest arms. He could rock the skyhook at 41 years old and while being exhausted. It was an easy shot for him.

Giannis plays less minutes than probably all reigning superstar MVP's in the history of the league. Choppy has nothing to do with it.

Trollsmasher

03-08-2020, 07:10 AM

down to 31.6, plummeting like a rock

guy

03-08-2020, 07:56 AM

Not really. He's top five in PPG and RPG while likely first team all defense. Very different if he wasn't.

It’s obviously impressive. Not saying it isn’t. All I’m saying is maintaining that PER or slightly less at 40 mpg is more impressive then doing it at 30 mpg like he’s doing. Isn’t it? That doesn’t mean he’s not having an all-time great season.

BigShotBob

03-08-2020, 07:58 AM

The pace was faster in 1972. And if the players were doing cocaine now, Giannis would be far better. Not sure why that was said?

Kareem was the tallest player in the league and had the longest arms. He could rock the skyhook at 41 years old and while being exhausted. It was an easy shot for him.

Giannis plays less minutes than probably all reigning superstar MVP's in the history of the league. Choppy has nothing to do with it.

His teammates would be doing cocaine too. And the pace was not faster in 1972.

He perfected the shot in college and had been practicing it since high school. It took him years.

Again, due to pace. It's better to look at number of possessions.

Sarcastic

03-08-2020, 09:14 AM

down to 31.6, plummeting like a rock

31.6 is still demi god mode.

31.8 is Zeus mode. 31.7 is god mode. He's still having an all time season.

Trollsmasher

03-08-2020, 09:51 AM

31.6 is still demi god mode.

31.8 is Zeus mode. 31.7 is god mode. He's still having an all time season.

it will be sub 31 by the end of the season

and as some people have mentioned - it's a rate stat and doing it at 30 MPG isn't as impressive as the previous record/record nearing seasons

Giannis is essentially breaking the stat by jacking up 36 minutes worth of shots in just 30 minutes, hence his astronomical usage

warriorfan

03-08-2020, 11:17 AM

LeBron stans getting shook as hell :lol

FromDowntown

03-08-2020, 12:27 PM

LeBron stans getting shook as hell :lol

Curry :(

New Arena and all...Damn

Pointguard

03-08-2020, 01:18 PM

It’s obviously impressive. Not saying it isn’t. All I’m saying is maintaining that PER or slightly less at 40 mpg is more impressive then doing it at 30 mpg like he’s doing. Isn’t it? That doesn’t mean he’s not having an all-time great season.

Yes, True.

The minutes per game should be said with the fact that he's by far the most productive player in regards to rebounds and points per game. Never mind being a superior defender to anybody he can be compared to in pure production despite the meager minutes.

Pointguard

03-08-2020, 01:33 PM

His teammates would be doing cocaine too. And the pace was not faster in 1972.

He perfected the shot in college and had been practicing it since high school. It took him years.

Again, due to pace. It's better to look at number of possessions.

I just did it with shots per game and the Bucks took two more shots per game in 72? This supports the Pace was 111 possessions per 48 minutes in '72 as compared to 105 this year? How are you doing this?

Kareem had a great proportioned body to help perfect the hook. His work ethic had a lot to do with it. While I admit Giannis has speed and first step, Kareem had height and great skill, along with a whole extra quarter per game.