So Klay/Dray is better than anything MJ ever faced, but Kyrie/Love isn't?

[3ball]

Or Parker/Ginobili/Kawhi but not Wade/Bosh/Allen?

The Finals "comp" argument is false/fake because it only applies to a small number of his Finals where Lebron faced actual talent deficits, aka 07', 15', 17', 18'...

That leaves 5 Finals that he had enough talent to win, but still lost 2 of them in 11' and 14' due to things other than talent, like teamwork/not playing good enough basketball, which is an indictment on him.

[RRR3]

meltdown

[3ball]

meltdown
No, I was being generous giving him 2017, where I'm not sure he faced a talent deficit given his Big 3 top help, and also his Big 5 of fringe all-star role players, aka Korver, JR Smith, Tristan, Shumpert, and RJ..

Those guys are pretty good.. they all match Draymond, but we all know that Curry's 30 ppg and fitting it into a great system was propping up Dray - not a lot of teams have someone who can fit such high production into a system that allows everyone else to max their production too - stars that can get theirs while everyone else gets theirs produces a high-ceiling team.

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Mikey Meltdown

[superduper]

Dray and Klay literally CANNOT dribble the basketball and they are HOFs in this era.

Let that legit sink in.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kyrie/Love isn't what?

Your title doesn't make sense. It insinuates that Kyrie/Love are ALSO better competition than Jordan faced.

Not only that but you're using caveats. And certain years it "could" actually apply.

[3ball]

Kyrie/Love isn't what?

Your title doesn't make sense. It insinuates that Kyrie/Love are ALSO better competition than Jordan faced.

Not only that but you're using caveats. And certain years it "could" actually apply.


They were better - that's the point - MJ never faced a Big 3 in the Finals of that caliber - Schrempf isn't on Love's level

Accordingly, even if the Warriors were more stacked than anything MJ faced, so were Lebron's teams - he had comparable supporting talent to his opponent in most Finals except 07', 15', 17', and 18'.

That leaves 5 Finals that Lebron had enough supporting talent to win, but still lost 2 of them in 11' and 14' due to things other than talent, like teamwork/not playing good enough basketball, which is an indictment on HIM.. and yes - in 2009, he had 2 fringe all-stars (Mo, Zydrunas), while Dwight only had 1 (Rashard).. so there's no excuse for losing there either

except we already know that SVG didn't double Lebron because he wasn't worried about Lebron's jumper getting hot, while also preferring Lebron's long-dribble style over the ball movement spurred by doubling - so if Lebron had either a hot jumper to command a double, or play off-ball to avoid letting the defense relax/hone in on a target, he could've forced Stan to do something different.. but unfortuntely, Lebron has neither of these critical skills

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

You're full of crap.

I've seen you claim SEVERAL Chicago teams would've beaten these squads.

So unless Jordan is worth an extra ~18ppg / ~10reb than Lebron, you're spinning like a disc jockey.

[ImKobe]

'96 Sonics and '93 Suns had better rosters than the Warriors.

[And1AllDay]

'96 Sonics and '93 Suns had better rosters than the Warriors.

96 sonics had a literal grocery bagger starting, ill bump the thread to remind you :oldlol: \

16 warriors 73 wins
96 sonics 64 wins
93 suns 62 wins

next

[ImKobe]

96 sonics had a literal grocery bagger starting, ill bump the thread to remind you :oldlol: \

16 warriors 73 wins
96 sonics 64 wins
93 suns 62 wins

next

Suns won 62 games with Kevin Johnson (starting all-star PG) missing half the season. They had 7 different guys averaging ~12+ ppg and 4 guys with 15+ ppg. Peak Barkley is better than anyone on the 16 Warriors. The Magic team Jordan swept also won 60 games with Shaq missing 28 games that season.

[3ball]

You're full of crap.

I've seen you claim SEVERAL Chicago teams would've beaten these squads.

So unless Jordan is worth an extra ~18ppg / ~10reb than Lebron, you're spinning like a disc jockey.
Due to teamwork, not supporting talent - the Big 3 casts of Lebron would be the most talent MJ ever faced in a Finals (he never faced a big 3 of that caliber in the Finals), but MJ's teams were superior due to teamwork and would still win.

The Bulls beat a lot of teams due to teamwork - heck, mj/magic cancelled each other out in the backcourt, but the Lakers' frontcourt all averaged 17+ in the 91' Finals (worthy, perkins, vlade) - the Bulls made up for their lesser-talented frontcourt with better teamwork (more key contributions from lower, replaceable-level players).. This was standard because MJ and Pippen were the only guys over 15 ppg on the team and MJ couldn't always make up the lack of 3rd scorer...

[And1AllDay]

Suns won 62 games with Kevin Johnson (starting all-star PG) missing half the season. They had 7 different guys averaging 11+ ppg and 4 guys with 15+ ppg. Peak Barkley is better than anyone on the 16 Warriors.


bruh

96 sonics had a literal grocery bagger starting, ill bump the thread to remind you :oldlol:

16 warriors 73 wins
96 sonics 64 wins
93 suns 62 wins

next

[3ball]

bruh

96 sonics had a literal grocery bagger starting, ill bump the thread to remind you :oldlol:

16 warriors 73 wins
96 sonics 64 wins
93 suns 62 wins

next
it's an indictment on the league that curry/klay and dray (who sucks) would win 73 games like that

similar to the weak league when the all-star group of Lebron/Mo/Zydrunas/Varejao won 66 games in 2009.. meant nothing then and it means nothing now - obviously, Dwight Howard isn't better than MJ because he beat a 66 win team and MJ didn't.. :facepalm

(edit: varejao was all-defense, not all-star)

the 73-win argument is extremely weak, and it holds no water when you apply the "Dwight-howard beat 66-win team, so he's greater than MJ" test to it.. MJ has far better arguments (i.e. 6/6 with 6 rings as the best player, aka most in the modern era/3-pointer basketball, while leading in PPG and efficiency rating)

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Due to teamwork, not supporting talent - the Big 3 casts of Lebron would be the most talent MJ ever faced in a Finals (he never faced a big 3 of that caliber in the Finals), but MJ's teams were superior due to teamwork and would still win.

The Bulls beat a lot of teams due to teamwork - heck, mj/magic cancelled each other out in the backcourt, but the Lakers' frontcourt all averaged 17+ in the 91' Finals (worthy, perkins, vlade) - the Bulls made up for their lesser-talented frontcourt with better teamwork (more key contributions from lower, replaceable-level players).. This was standard because MJ and Pippen were the only guys over 15 ppg on the team and MJ couldn't always make up the lack of 3rd scorer...

You already claimed they were "better competition" because of a third star. Better than ANYTHING Jordan faced. I don't agree with that by the way, but that's what you said.

The best Chicago teams knocked out their comp in 6 games. Max. And most of the those elimination games were close. According to you the '16 Warriors and '16 Cavs are superior to ALL those teams. Again, because of an extra star.

Here you are though thinking Chicago wins because of "teamwork". Get the fukk out of here :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

it's an indictment on the league that curry/klay and dray (who sucks) would win 73 games like that

similar to the weak league when the all-star group of Lebron/Mo/Zydrunas/Varejao won 66 games in 2009.. meant nothing then and it means nothing now - obviously, Dwight Howard isn't better than MJ because he beat a 66 win team and MJ didn't.. :facepalm

(edit: varejao was all-defense, not all-star)

the 73-win argument is extremely weak, and it holds no water when you apply the "Dwight-howard beat 66-win team, so he's greater than MJ" test to it.. MJ has far better arguments (i.e. 6/6 with 6 rings as the best player, aka most in the modern era/3-pointer basketball, while leading in PPG and efficiency rating)

so if dray sucks are you saying 2016 was goat chip and they didnt need him for one game. especially since brans best game was game 6 when dray played? careful now :oldlol:

[3ball]

You already claimed they were "better competition" because of a third star. Better than ANYTHING Jordan faced. I don't agree with that by the way, but that's what you said.

The best Chicago teams knocked out their comp in 6 games. Max. And most of the those elimination games were close. According to you the '16 Warriors and '16 Cavs are superior to ALL those teams. Again, because of an extra star.

Yet you still think the Bulls win because of "teamwork"? Get the fukk out of here :oldlol:
yes, their casts have superior on-paper talent than all of MJ's Finals opponents

but better on-paper talent doesn't mean a better team..

They have better talent, but MJ would beat them via teamwork, like he did the 1991 Lakers (who had more talent).. He might beat them in 7 games though, like he beat the surprise Knicks and also the Pacers when he was old..

and under today's rules, he would destroy them, since all his strengths would be allow him to take advantage of the format more (quickness, first-step, athleticism, and guards impact defense more now than the post-oriented offenses of the past)

[3ball]

so if dray sucks are you saying 2016 was goat chip and they didnt need him for one game. especially since brans best game was game 6 when dray played? careful now :oldlol:
bran/kyrie should've disposed of the "can barely dunk" bros in 5 games, tops

but you probably think its BETTER that he won in 7... :yaohappy:.. right?

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

yes, their casts have superior on-paper talent than all of MJ's Finals opponents

but better on-paper talent doesn't mean a better team..

Were they better competition or not?

You claimed they were, but you're backtracking now. And talking about paper tigers.

Two different things, bud.

[Vino24]

MJ

[3ball]

Were they better or competition or not?

You claimed they were, but you're backtracking now. And talking about paper tigers.

Two different things, bud.
see thread title bud, something you can't accept apparently

Lebron never faced a talent deficit in 2011 or 2014, and should've won both

[FKAri]

see thread title bud, something you can't accept apparently
Your thread title doesn't make any sense anyway tho :oldlol:

[Vino24]

You know you got 3ball on the ropes when he breaks out the Yao smiley

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

see thread title bud, something you can't accept apparently

Your thread title doesn't answer anything. It's a question.

With that being said, are the '16 Dubs and '16 Cavs better teams than Jordan faced?

Yes or no.

[And1AllDay]

bran/kyrie should've disposed of the "can barely dunk" bros in 5 games, tops

but you probably think its BETTER that he won in 7... :yaohappy:.. right?

warriors also went through a grueling tough series against another team better then anything mike faced to get to the finals :oldlol:

PRIME peak KD
PRIME peak Westbrook
PRIME peak Adams
PRIME Ibaka

:oldlol: mike beat a dude with AIDs and a grocery bagger

[Vino24]

they went through a grueling tough series against another teram better then anything mike faced to get to teh finals :oldlol:

PRIME peak KD
PRIME peak Westbrook
PRIME peak Adams
PRIME Ibaka

:oldlol: mike beat a dude with AIDs and a grocery bagger
Facts. Don

[And1AllDay]

Your thread title doesn't answer anything. It's a question.

With that being said, are the '16 Dubs and '16 Cavs better teams than Jordan faced?

Yes or no.

:eek:

3ball on the run watch

[egokiller]

No, I was being generous giving him 2017, where I'm not sure he faced a talent deficit given his Big 3 top help, and also his Big 5 of fringe all-star role players, aka Korver, JR Smith, Tristan, Shumpert, and RJ..

Those guys are pretty good.. they all match Draymond, but we all know that Curry's 30 ppg and fitting it into a great system was propping up Dray - not a lot of teams have someone who can fit such high production into a system that allows everyone else to max their production too - stars that can get theirs while everyone else gets theirs produces a high-ceiling team.

In the 2017 finals game 4, kyrie led all scorers and the Cavs set 6 NBA finals records in a single game. There's no reason he should have lost with that much stacked fire power. Obviously if the team he was playing was good competition, they wouldn't have set those records. We both know MJ always went against more difficult competition than anything lebron ever faced. He also always did more, with less.:applause:

[3ball]

Your thread title doesn't answer anything. It's a question.

With that being said, are the '16 Dubs and '16 Cavs better teams than Jordan faced?

Yes or no.


The Cavs' cast had better talent than anything MJ faced in the Finals, but I'm not sure about the Warriors

Even though MJ never faced a big 3 cast in the Finals as decorated as the klay/dray, I think he faced far better players.. But who cares if right? Kyrie/Love are better players than Klay/Dray too but Lebron's 16' win was still a miracle?? right?? … :rolleyes:

[RealSkipBayless]

'96 Sonics and '93 Suns had better rosters than the Warriors.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[And1AllDay]

You know you got 3ball on the ropes when he breaks out the Yao smiley

:oldlol: :roll:


ShookBall :oldlol:

[Manny98]

'96 Sonics and '93 Suns had better rosters than the Warriors.
:facepalm

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

The Cavs' cast had better talent than anything MJ faced in the Finals, but I'm not sure about the Warriors

Even though MJ never faced a big 3 cast in the Finals as decorated as the klay/dray, I think he faced far better players.. But who cares if right? Kyrie/Love are better players than Klay/Dray too but Lebron's 16' win was still a miracle?? right?? … :rolleyes:

-Lebron faced better competition
-Lebron faced more teams with another star
-The Bulls would need another star to make it fair
-The Bulls can beat any of the teams in the OP as is
-The teams Lebron faced are better on paper

Look above. Everything in that EXACT ORDER is what you claimed in this thread. Let me know when you're ready to be taken seriously.

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Kuniva eviscerating 3braincells :bowdown:

MJ fan-on-MJ fan crime

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Kuniva eviscerating 3braincells :bowdown:

Hah! Not difficult when dude is a walking contradiction. Least you can do is stand by your convictions.


MJ fan-on-MJ fan crime

I'll remember that when you say I'm not fair. :cheers:

[RRR3]

Hah! Not difficult when dude is a walking contradiction. Least you can do is stand by your convictions.



I'll remember that when you say I'm not fair. :cheers:
TBH bro, I've seen 3ball get trolled by people who definitely don't like LeBron. I think people on all sides get tired of his shit. Only really low iq individuals like sportjames23 actually like his posts.