NBA has to get rid of the step back 3

[Walk on Water]

When I was coming up it was a travel if you took more than a step. Even in middle school, I got called for travels so much. What Harden is doing is much more of a travel. I read in 2009 they changed rules. Now you can get that extra half step or whatever the case is.

Nobody did step back 3s in the 90s. It

[elementally morale]

Not all step-back 3s are travels. Last dribble plus two steps is not a travel. Harden mostly travels on stepbacks, yes. Luka much less so. And there are many people out there capable of hitting a perfectly cool stepback three with no traveling.

[Walk on Water]

Not all step-back 3s are travels. Last dribble plus two steps is not a travel. Harden mostly travels on stepbacks, yes. Luka much less so. And there are many people out there capable of hitting a perfectly cool stepback three with no traveling.

2 steps is not a travel?

[TheCalmInsanity]

The problem with Harden's stepback is, he lands on one foot, and uses that foot to propel him to yet another step (or a gather).

When Corey Maggette used to do that (jump into a 1-2 step for a layup) they called it a travel. So they made it so that if you jump forwards, you have to land on BOTH FEET to be able to go up for a layup.

Why is the rule different when you're jumping backwards?

[TheCalmInsanity]

Not all step-back 3s are travels. Last dribble plus two steps is not a travel. Harden mostly travels on stepbacks, yes. Luka much less so. And there are many people out there capable of hitting a perfectly cool stepback three with no traveling.

Yes 100% agree. If you push off with your foot to step back, and land on BOTH feet, you can jump for a shot. But what Harden does is push off with one foot, land on ONE foot, and use the other foot to gather the initial foot over to it... which is a travel

[elementally morale]

2 steps is not a travel?


No. Never was. Think of a simple layup. 1 dribble, pick the ball up, two steps, shoot.

[TheCalmInsanity]

No. Never was. Think of a simple layup. 1 dribble, pick the ball up, two steps, shoot.

Except it's 1 step (the one that gets you backwards) into a 1-2... that's not 2 steps

[elementally morale]

Except it's 1 step (the one that gets you backwards) into a 1-2... that's not 2 steps

The way Harden does it is 3 steps most of the time. Just like you said. But dribbling, then picking the ball up and two steps backwards is not a travel. Luka can pull it ott nicely. He sometimes travels but most of the time he doesn't. Harden almost always travels. He steps and then hops another 1-2. If it were both feet... fine... but it isn't.

[TheCalmInsanity]

The way Harden does it is 3 steps most of the time. Just like you said. But dribbling, then picking the ball up and two steps backwards is not a travel. Luka can pull it ott nicely. He sometimes travels but most of the time he doesn't. Harden almost always travels. He steps and then hops another 1-2. If it were both feet... fine... but it isn't.

I think we're on the same page here lol.. yeah. So if you're at a full stop, you can't take 2 steps. Imagine someone catching the ball on the block and taking 2 steps, that's a travel since they're leaving their pivot foot.

However, if someone throws you an outlet pass on a fast break (and you're already running when you catch it?) 2 steps is fine.

But yeah, the way Harden does it, like you said, he pushes off one foot, then 1-2's into a jump shot. Which is 100% a travel, since if you did it forwards (jump into a 1-2 and then floater or layup) it's a travel. So yeah I think we are both agreeing here

[Locked_Up_Tonight]

Ball touches the ground/floor more in football than it does in basketball. But it doesn't matter to the league.

[brooks_thompson]

I honestly can't tell anymore, but it seems like the way Harden established the move it wasn't a travel. And ever since the refs decided that move was legal, he's been getting away with an illegal version based on the timing of when he picks up his dribble. Maybe I'm crazy.

[Overdrive]

When I was coming up it was a travel if you took more than a step.

If you gather/catch the ball while moving it's 2 steps, from standstill you're only allowed to pivot. What the NBA changed is that they allowed the gather step as a 0 step. Back then if you gathered late you only had the rest of the 1st and the 2nd step left. Now if you gather late you have 2 and some step left.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Bruh I like your anti-KD rants but Harden slander will not be tolerated.

[90sgoat]

When I played in the 90s, you had 1.5 steps, because the gather was step 1 and then one step.

There was no such thing as a gather step. That was travel.

It was dribble, get control and gather (step 1), one step (step 2).

Now it is, dribble, get control and gather, step 1 and step 2.

[FKAri]

When I played in the 90s, you had 1.5 steps, because the gather was step 1 and then one step.

There was no such thing as a gather step. That was travel.

It was dribble, get control and gather (step 1), one step (step 2).

Now it is, dribble, get control and gather, step 1 and step 2.
That's because you don't know the rules of the NBA. From now or the 90s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvGayLBB2Sk

[Marchesk]

No. Never was. Think of a simple layup. 1 dribble, pick the ball up, two steps, shoot.

Yes two steps used to be called a travel. You couldn't do two steps on a layup. They were more lenient in the NBA about it, and eventually it ended up not being a travel. But OP was right. We were taught that two steps was a travel, period. And it was called that way, at least for college on down.

[Marchesk]

When I was coming up it was a travel if you took more than a step. Even in middle school, I got called for travels so much. What Harden is doing is much more of a travel. I read in 2009 they changed rules. Now you can get that extra half step or whatever the case is.

Also carrying and palming was called much stricter. The NBA was a bit more lenient on this as well, but not to the extent you see today. It's ridiculous what they let offensive players get away with now. How are defenders supposed to stop the exrta step and change in direction of the ball where the player has it paused in one hand?

[90sgoat]

Also carrying and palming was called much stricter. The NBA was a bit more lenient on this as well, but not to the extent you see today. It's ridiculous what they let offensive players get away with now. How are defenders supposed to stop the exrta step and change in direction of the ball where the player has it paused in one hand?

They're both bad, but overall carry is probably worse.

Makes it almost impossible to stop guys like Harden and Irving, also allows freaks like Giannis to dribble.

[Marchesk]

They're both bad, but overall carry is probably worse.

Makes it almost impossible to stop guys like Harden and Irving, also allows freaks like Giannis to dribble.

It's clear the league wants lots of offense, and your average fan seems to prefer that.

[elementally morale]

Yes two steps used to be called a travel. You couldn't do two steps on a layup. They were more lenient in the NBA about it, and eventually it ended up not being a travel. But OP was right. We were taught that two steps was a travel, period. And it was called that way, at least for college on down.


No. 2 steps was always legal while dribbling. Most NBA players take 3 steps nowadays, sometimes four. Two steps when moving with the ball (after finished dribbling) is perfectly legal. It was in the 90s and it was in the 60s.

[tpols]

well... as it currently stands you can take 2.5 steps going forward and only 1 going backward.

Think about the ground covered on even the most egregious harden step back... maybe 8 feet?

when we got dudes like durant and giannis picking up their dribbles at the 3 pt line and finishing layups.

what should be the priority here?

imagine a euro step, step back... thats the evolution :bowdown:

[brutalBBQ]

More travels are being called this season though.
Whats more frustrating is the stars dont get called on it and the regular guys do.
The NBA is a bastardized version of what the rest of the planet plays under FIBA.
end rant*
Doncics step back is more stylish than Hardens. Hardens is forced with his runty little legs
shuffling backwards as fast as he can. Doncic already establishes a good distance and then his shot is silky.

[elementally morale]

More travels are being called this season though.



The NBA decided to call a certain type of travel. The one when people shuffle their feet before the first dribble. That one is consistently called this year. All the others are still not. 3 steps after picking up the ball it the norm. 4 steps is sometimes called but not all the time. 3 steps are never called.

It's fine if they change the rules and make it legal. Being it illegal and not called is bad though.

[Ghost1]

More travels are being called this season though.
Whats more frustrating is the stars dont get called on it and the regular guys do.
The NBA is a bastardized version of what the rest of the planet plays under FIBA.
end rant*
Doncics step back is more stylish than Hardens. Hardens is forced with his runty little legs
shuffling backwards as fast as he can. Doncic already establishes a good distance and then his shot is silky.


https://streamable.com/f7s97

[elementally morale]

https://streamable.com/f7s97

This is not a travel. It's a perfectly legal move. (Let's forget palming the ball...)

[Ghost1]

This is not a travel. It's a perfectly legal move. (Let's forget palming the ball...)


yeah... it's beautiful

[Walk on Water]

Also carrying and palming was called much stricter. The NBA was a bit more lenient on this as well, but not to the extent you see today. It's ridiculous what they let offensive players get away with now. How are defenders supposed to stop the exrta step and change in direction of the ball where the player has it paused in one hand?


Exactly. What is the counter move to a double step back 3 pointer? This is ridiculous. You can just get your shot off whenever by working on that silly move. Back in the day you had to be creative and have real moves. Now you get to travel like it