post your top 15 players since 1980

[72-10]

best players since 1980

based on just their careers since 1980

After a while I'll compile a top ten list based on it

[Marchesk]

Jordan
Lebron
Magic
Duncan
Bird
Kobe
Shaq
Hakeem
K. Malone
K. Garnett
K. Durant
Curry
Barkley
Dirk
Wade

[FKAri]

1. MJ
2. Lebron
3. Duncan
4. Shaq
5. Kobe
6. Bird
7. Hakeem
8. Magic
9. Barkley
10. Durant
11. Wade
12. Curry
13. Dirk
14. Robinson
15. K. Malone

It changes completely based on the criteria but I value peak play (as long as flash in the pans and hot streaks can be excluded) and performance relative to competition (ie no time-travelling how they'd do today or how they'd do in the past)

[superduper]

Every single player who needed to run away and collude with superteams in order to be remotely relevant.

[72-10]

1. MJ
2. Lebron
3. Duncan
4. Shaq
5. Kobe
6. Bird
7. Hakeem
8. Magic
9. Barkley
- starts getting murky at this point

could you at least try to suggest a 10th, or else we can't take your list credibly

['Toine=MVP]

Even though "top" isn't 100% clear, I'll list the 15 "greatest" which has a lot to do with legacy along with achievements/talent/etc.

1. Jordan
2. Bird
3. Shaq
4. LeBron
5. Magic
6. Duncan
7. Hakeem
8. Moses Malone (played well enough in 80s alone to count)
9. Kobe
10. KG
11. Karl Malone
12. Barkley
13. Dirk
14. Steph
15. Durant

Edit: Tough to leave Wade, Kareem, and even Robinson off this, but it is what it is.

[Dr Hawk]

1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Magic
4. Hakeem
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Kobe
8. Bird
9. Dirk
10. Garnett
11. Barkley

[SpaceJam2]

LeBron
Jordan
Magic
Shaq
Kareem
Duncan
Bird
Hakeem

[FKAri]

could you at least try to suggest a 10th, or else we can't take your list credibly
There ya go.


Every single player who needed to run away and collude with superteams in order to be remotely relevant.
Jesus ****ing Christ this guy :oldlol:

[72-10]

There ya go.

Good, that's better. Now we can take you seriously about these forums.

[Manny98]

1. MJ
2. LeBron
3. Shaq
4. Bird
5. Magic
6. Hakeem
7. Duncan
8. Kobe
9. Admiral
10. KG
11. KD
12. Curry
13. Dirk
14. Wade
15. Malone

[Poetry]

In the last few years, I've been seeing more and more people put Bird over Magic.

For a while it was a debate, then everyone settled on Magic over Bird, but it seems to be a debate again.

[Marchesk]

I always forget about D. Robinson for some reason in these lists.

What's the ISH consensus on who had a better career, Dirk or David?

['Toine=MVP]

In the last few years, I've been seeing more and more people put Bird over Magic.

For a while it was a debate, then everyone settled on Magic over Bird, but it seems to be a debate again.

In the 80s, it was clearly Bird. Shouldn't have ever moved away from that. But one reason Bird should be considered #2 GOAT behind Jordan is because of the change in the game this decade. Bird would have utterly dominated this era with his skill set. Magic was a step slow for a PG and couldn't really shoot. That has hurt his case. It doesn't take away from his legacy exactly, but there should be at least some consideration to pure ability (not to the extent that LeBron stans think).

[Marchesk]

Magic was a step slow for a PG and couldn't really shoot. That has hurt his case. It doesn't take away from his legacy exactly, but there should be at least some consideration to pure ability (not to the extent that LeBron stans think).

I don't think Magic was slow when he entered the league. Maybe as he got older. As for shooting, in his 89/90 season, Magic was 38.4% from three, making 1.3 a game.

Also, when people criticize Bird and Magic's athleticism, they fail to take into account all the great athletes Bird and Magic consistently outplayed.

[Round Mound]

[B]1. MJ
2. Bird
3. Magic
4. Hakeem
5. Shaq
6. Duncan
7. Lebron
8. Barkley
9. Kobe
10. Durant
11. Dirk
12. Leonard
13. K. Malone
14. Admiral
15. Wade or Garnett (can

[Round Mound]

[B]1. MJ
2. Bird
3. Magic
4. Hakeem
5. Shaq
6. Duncan
7. Lebron
8. Barkley
9. Kobe
10. Durant
11. K.Malone
12. Dirk
13. Kawhi
14. Admiral
15. Wade or Garnett (can

[MrFonzworth]

[QUOTE=Round Mound][B]1. MJ
2. Bird
3. Magic
4. Hakeem
5. Shaq
6. Duncan
7. Lebron
8. Barkley
9. Kobe
10. Durant
11. K.Malone
12. Dirk
13. Kawhi
14. Admiral
15. Wade or Garnett (can

[ImKobe]

1. MJ
2. Kobe
3. Duncan
4. Magic
5. Shaq
6. Bird
7. Hakeem
8. KG
9. Barkley
10. Curry
11. KD
12. Kawhi
13. Wade
14. Dirk
15. Malone

[Uncle Drew]

1. LeBron James
2. Michael Jordan
3. Tim Duncan
4. Larry Bird
5. Magic Johnson
6. Shaquille O'Neal
7. Hakeem Olajuwon
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Charles Barkley
10. Steph Curry

[G0ATbe]

1. Lebron
2. MJ
3. Shaq
4. Magic
5. Bird
6. Duncan
7. Hakeem
8. KG
9. Barkley
10. Curry
11. KD
12. Kobe
13. Wade
14. Dirk
15. Malone

[Gileraracer]

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Shaq
Kobe
Hakeem
Malone
Barkley
Durant
Curry
Garnett
Dirk
Wade
Lebron

[Airupthere]

1. Jordan
2/3. Lebron/Shaq
4/5. Bird/Magic
6. Olajuwon
7. Kobe

[dbugz]

MJ
Bird
Stockton
Penny
AI
Duncan
Ray Allen
KG
Manu
Rondo
Nash
Jason white chocolate Williams
KD
Klay
CJ Mccollum

[72-10]

In the last few years, I've been seeing more and more people put Bird over Magic.

For a while it was a debate, then everyone settled on Magic over Bird, but it seems to be a debate again.

I put Bird ahead considering that he had a few more offensive weapons in his arsenal, considerably better shooter, better rebounder and could pass almost as well as Magic.

[RRR3]

MJ
Bird
Stockton
Penny
AI
Duncan
Ray Allen
KG
Manu
Rondo
Nash
Jason white chocolate Williams
KD
Klay
CJ Mccollum
Worst list of all time.

[AussieSteve]

Height of peak and girth of prime trumps longevity etc.

Also I don't give players any extra credit for winning rings that most ATGs would have won under the same circumstances (e.g. Kobe & Shaq, LeBron & Wade etc.). It's about level of play.

Anyways

1. Jordan
2. LeBron
3. Bird
4. Magic
5. Hakeem
6. Shaq
7. Duncan
8. Barkley
9. Kobe
10. Durant
11. Dirk
12. Garnett
13. Steph
14. M.Malone
15. Wade
Hon mention... K.Malone, Harden

[Rocket]

[quote=Round Mound]1. MJ
2. Bird
3. Magic
4. Hakeem
5. Shaq
6. Duncan
7. Lebron
8. Barkley
9. Kobe
10. Durant
11. Dirk
12. Leonard
13. K. Malone
14. Admiral
[B] 15. Wade or Garnett (can

[72-10]

OK, I guess I'll post my list.

1. Michael Jordan
2. Larry Bird
3. Magic Johnson
4. Shaquille O'Neal
5. Kobe Bryant
6. Tim Duncan
7. Hakeem Olajuwon
8. LeBron James
9. Julius Erving
10. David Robinson
11. Stephen Curry
12. Kevin Garnett
13. Dirk Nowitzki
14. Charles Barkley
15. Kevin Durant

[Rico2016]

1. LeBron
2. Jordan
3. Shaq
Top tier

4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Kareem
7. Hakeem

8. Durant
9. Kobe
10. Bird

['Toine=MVP]

1. LeBron
2. Jordan
3. Shaq
Top tier

4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Kareem
7. Hakeem

8. Durant
9. Kobe
10. Bird

Full on lunacy. Even ignoring the LeBron placement.

[Rico2016]

Full on lunacy. Even ignoring the LeBron placement.
Normally I do put MJ 1st but I saw some put LBJ out of the top 5 which is worse than MJ at 2. So I adjusted mine accordinly.

[72-10]

I've avg'd the results.

The forum's general opinion of teh best players since 1980:

1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. LeBron James
4. Shaquille O'Neal
5. Larry Bird
6. Tim Duncan
7. Hakeem Olajuwon
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Charles Barkley
T-10. Kevin Durant
T-10. Kevin Garnett

[Horatio33]

MJ
LeBron
Magic
Duncan
Shaq
Bird
Hakeem
Kobe
Moses Malone
Durant
Curry
Nowitzki
Wade
Kawhi
Karl Malone (This one hurts as I have no respect for him.)

[SouBeachTalents]

Added 5 more

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. LeBron
4. Shaq
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Kobe
10. Moses
11. Dr. J
12. Malone
13. KG
14. Dirk
15. Barkley
16. Robinson
17. Durant
18. Curry
19. Wade
20. CP3

[sdot_thadon]

MJ
LeBron
Magic
Duncan
Shaq
Bird
Hakeem
Kobe
Moses Malone
Durant
Curry
Nowitzki
Wade
Kawhi
Karl Malone (This one hurts as I have no respect for him.)
This is pretty close to my list but I'd swap Dream and Kobe and bump Kawhi out for Kareem probably right there with Moses. So:

MJ
LeBron
Magic
Duncan
Shaq
Bird
Kobe
Hakeem
Kareem
Moses Malone
Durant
Curry
Nowitzki
Wade
Karl Malone

[Smoke117]

Added 5 more

1. Jordan
2. Kareem
3. LeBron
4. Shaq
5. Duncan
6. Magic
7. Bird
8. Hakeem
9. Kobe
10. Moses
11. Dr. J
12. Malone
13. KG
14. Dirk
15. Barkley
16. Robinson
17. Durant
18. Curry
19. Wade
20. CP3

Duncan has to be the most overrated player of all time. His peak was pedestrian compared to other all time greats, but you always see him so high up on the all time great list like he was shitting on the league for a good 10 years. It makes me cringe so much. He was NEVER anything special offensively.

[sdot_thadon]

Duncan has to be the most overrated player of all time. His peak was pedestrian compared to other all time greats, but you always see him so high up on the all time great list like he was shitting on the league for a good 10 years. It makes me cringe so much. He was NEVER anything special offensively.
As much as i hate the Spurs and in turn Duncan, he's been one of the most steady handed greats ever. It's the fact that his game lacked flash that makes most not appreciate it, but he was consistently playing at his level for a long time.

[SouBeachTalents]

Duncan has to be the most overrated player of all time. His peak was pedestrian compared to other all time greats, but you always see him so high up on the all time great list like he was shitting on the league for a good 10 years. It makes me cringe so much. He was NEVER anything special offensively.
Well if we were allowed to include all players like Wilt/Russell, Duncan would be around 7th. You think it's that egregious of a ranking? Who else would you put ahead of him?

[DMAVS41]

Duncan has to be the most overrated player of all time. His peak was pedestrian compared to other all time greats, but you always see him so high up on the all time great list like he was shitting on the league for a good 10 years. It makes me cringe so much. He was NEVER anything special offensively.

He averaged 25/15/5 in the playoffs in 2003 and destroyed the Shaq/Kobe Lakers en route to winning the title.

What the **** are you talking about his peak wasn't that good?

He was the best player on title teams 9 years apart. He lead his team to the most consecutive 50 win seasons in NBA history. Do you not realize how absurd that is? They won 50 games every year from 2000 through 2016 under Duncan. In fact, the only year of his career...irrc...his team didn't win 50 or more...was in 99 when the season was only 50 games because of the lockout....the year they won the title and I believe won at a 60 win pace.

Having this opinion is just pathetic.

[Smoke117]

He averaged 25/15/5 in the playoffs in 2003 and destroyed the Shaq/Kobe Lakers en route to winning the title.

What the **** are you talking about his peak wasn't that good?

He was the best player on title teams 9 years apart. He lead his team to the most consecutive 50 win seasons in NBA history. Do you not realize how absurd that is? They won 50 games every year from 2000 through 2016 under Duncan. In fact, the only year of his career...irrc...his team didn't win 50 or more...was in 99 when the season was only 50 games because of the lockout....the year they won the title and I believe won at a 60 win pace.

Having this opinion is just pathetic.


He was a great player coached by an all time great coach on a very good team in a weak era for most of his career. I think that's what you meant to say. He NEVER came close to carrying teams like David Robinson did yet he's considered better? gtoh. Duncan could have NEVER carried the teams Big Dave did.

[Doomsday Dallas]

SG: Jordan (1), Kobe (7)

PG: Magic (2), Curry (9)

C: Shaq (3), Hakeem (6)

SF: Lebron (4), Bird (8)

PF: Duncan (5)



Curry is ranked 9th on my list.

[SouBeachTalents]

He was a great player coached by an all time great coach on a very good team in a weak era for most of his career. I think that's what you meant to say. He NEVER came close to carrying teams like David Robinson did yet he's considered better? gtoh. Duncan could have NEVER carried the teams Big Dave did.
He didn't carry the Spurs in '03? When in the playoffs he led the team in points, rebounds, assists & blocks. That's as big a carry job on a title team as there's ever been, up there with '94 Hakeem

[DMAVS41]

He was a great player coached by an all time great coach on a very good team in a weak era for most of his career. I think that's what you meant to say. He NEVER came close to carrying teams like David Robinson did yet he's considered better? gtoh. Duncan could have NEVER carried the teams Big Dave did.

What do you call what he did with the 03 Spurs?

He won 60 and a title with that group? 20 year old Ton Parker?

Come on man...it is one of the biggest start to finish carrying of a team ever. 60 wins and a title? 25/15/5...while providing some of the best interior defense of all-time in the process? Beating Shaq/Kobe?

LOL

[And1AllDay]

I've avg'd the results.

The forum's general opinion of teh best players since 1980:

1. Michael Jordan
2. Magic Johnson
3. LeBron James
4. Shaquille O'Neal
5. Larry Bird
6. Tim Duncan
7. Hakeem Olajuwon
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Charles Barkley
T-10. Kevin Durant
T-10. Kevin Garnett

false :oldlol:

magic has zero 1st place votes no way is he over bran


fake ass poster

foh

[Jasper]

. Jordan
. LeBron
. Bird
. Magic
. Hakeem
. Shaq
. Duncan
. Barkley
. KAREEM
. Cowans
. Dr. J
. stockton
. k.malone
. M.Malone
. Wade

Special consideration Hondo (last played 1978)

[SouBeachTalents]

. Jordan
. LeBron
. Bird
. Magic
. Hakeem
. Shaq
. Duncan
. Barkley
. KAREEM
. Cowans
. Dr. J
. stockton
. k.malone
. M.Malone
. Wade

Special consideration Hondo (last played 1978)
Dave Cowens :oldlol: Dude was a role player for 2 seasons in the '80s

[And1AllDay]

op needs to update

bran is #2 and magic is #3 i just looked

plus i need to put my ranks in too so here it goes

[And1AllDay]

1. bran
2. kobe
3. mike
4. shaq
5. duncan
6. kareem
7. bird
8. durant
9. magic
10. wade
11. pippen
12. garnett
13. dirk
14. barkley
15. robinson

[And1AllDay]

bran at 259
magic at 247

im watching you

:eek:

[Celtics 1825]

1. Jordan
2. Lebron
3. Bird
4. Magic
5. Duncan
6. Shaq
7. Hakeem
8. Kobe
9. Karl Malone
10. Erving
11. Moses Malone
12. Curry
13. Durant
14. Dirk
15. KG

[Jasper]

Dave Cowens :oldlol: Dude was a role player for 2 seasons in the '80s


What about 70's ,,, rethink what you are saying , as long as a player played in 1980 he can be on the list.

By the way kareem said that Cowens was his toughest defender.

[Stephonit]

Michael Jordan
Stephen Curry
Larry Bird
Tim Duncan
Shaquille O'Neal
Hakeem Olajuwon
LeBron James
Kobe Bryant
Magic Johnson
Kevin Durant
Dirk Nowitzki
Moses Malone
Kareem Abdul Jabar
Karl Malone
Julius Erving

['Toine=MVP]

What about 70's ,,, rethink what you are saying , as long as a player played in 1980 he can be on the list.

By the way kareem said that Cowens was his toughest defender.

This is just about what they did in 1980 and beyond ignoring the 70s

[Bankaii]

MJ
Lebron
Shaq
Magic
Duncan
Bird
Kobe
Hakeem
Malone/Dirk/KG/Barkley
Durant
Curry