How did Lebron take down 3 legendary teams?

[RealSkipBayless]

So many top 10-20 ATG players. How does this stack up to what MJ beat?

2012: Arguably the greatest scorer in NBA history along with 2 other MVPs.
https://i.ibb.co/8BxNRJf/ish3.png

2013: Spurs dynasty. One of the greatest two-way players ever, along with the greatest power foward ever
https://i.ibb.co/PxNwbLz/ish1.png

2016: GOAT shooter, along with another top 3 shooter in nba history. Along with an all-time great defender
https://i.ibb.co/YdMb7PJ/1199032-021216-ap-all-star-jerseys-curry-draymond-klay-img.jpg

[bullettooth]

He also has a losing record against everyone.

[Ghost1]

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[superduper]

He also has a losing record against everyone.

BOOM :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[warriorfan]

2012 - OKC

[SpaceJam2]

There's a reason why MJ stains keep their heads LOW when MJ vs LBJ discussions arise

https://i.postimg.cc/YqTvqcxK/net-efficiency.png

[SpaceJam2]

Imagine doing one for MJ

91, beat a guy with AIDS while MJ's #2 option (Pippen) outscored oppositions #1 option AND Pippen anchored defense

92, beat the worst Finals team in NBA history while MJ's #2 option (Pippen) outscored oppositions #2 option AND Pippen anchored defense

93, beat MVP Chuck who is a career loser (1 good ring I guess)

96, beat 6'2 guy and MJ had lower GmSc than Shawn fuxxing Kemp (lol) while MJ's #2 option (Pippen) anchored defense

97, beat #8 lowest #2 option in Finals history (Stockton, 13.8 ppg) while MJ's #2 option (Pippen) outscored oppositions #1 option AND Pippen anchored defense

98, beat literal #1 lowest #2 option in Finals history (Hornacek, 10m7 ppg) while MJ's #2 option (Pippen) outscored oppositions #1 option AND Pippen anchored defense

[Manny98]

He also has a losing record against everyone.
So does MJ against..

Bird
Hakeem
Thomas

:(

[SpaceJam2]

So does MJ against..

Bird
Hakeem
Thomas

:(

I think Malone too :lol And Barkley

[Walk on Water]

So does MJ against..

Bird
Hakeem
Thomas

:(


Those aren

[FultzNationRISE]

1 leg for each conquest :confusedshrug: :pimp:

[3ball]

his Finals win frequency (1/3) is in line with the underdog odds he shamefully had to win those Finals, so he did nothing to exceed expectation

otoh, mj won all 6 Finals, which is above the 2-1 favorite status he earned going into those Finals (he was expected to win 4 and lose 2), and therefore above expectation by 2 rings.. He won 2 rings above expectation.. 538 details these facts in their blog

(btw, we all know that Lebron faced talent deficits in only 4 Finals, and therefore had the supporting talent needed to win 5, but was thwarted by insufficient teamwork)

[And1AllDay]

his Finals win frequency (1/3) is in line with the underdog odds he shamefully had to win those Finals, so he did nothing to exceed expectation

otoh, mj won all 6 Finals, which is above the 2-1 favorite status he earned going into those Finals (he was expected to win 4 and lose 2), and therefore above expectation by 2 rings.. He won 2 rings above expectation.. 538 details these facts in their blog

(btw, we all know that Lebron faced talent deficits in only 4 Finals, and therefore had the supporting talent needed to win 5, but was thwarted by insufficient teamwork)

what was the best finals win for mike :oldlol:

keep in mind he was defensive stopper for 0 rings as well :oldlol:

against no bodies

but go on, what was the best finals win for mike :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

to answer the question "How did Lebron take down 3 legendary teams?"

2012
posted career best drtg 99 throughout playoffs and nba record 30-10-5 on 50% for entire playoffs only been done 1 time in nba history (NOT by mike)

2013
biggest game 7 in Finals history. dropped 37 on 56% with allen and bosh scoring 0

2016
https://i.postimg.cc/xdmq0qs2/20190531-142817.jpg

this was the ony way to beat them, think about it

kd poured 30 and westbrook did goat #2 optoin all time with 27/11/7/4 but they still lost

it would take something we never seen to beat them and he did it. lead all in all.

[Bronbron23]

He also has a losing record against everyone.
Legendary? A team full of puppies, a team full of senior citizens and a team that only has one asterisk chip. I would hardly call any of those teams legendary. Theyre all very good teams though.

[SomeBlackDude]

lekarl's journey to the 1998 nba finals...

first round:

https://i.postimg.cc/dVTb3JQq/1995-Rockets.jpg

second round:

http://blackdoorventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/TwinTowers.jpg

wcf:

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/tumblr_m4c4znjNmt1qd42iyo1_500.jpg

that's just one postseason run.

>>>> anything lefraud has ever done.

really puts this in perspective

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m57pwbn6Eh1r5lrobo1_500.gif

:bowdown:

[PickernRoller]

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:lol

[3ball]

what was the best finals win for mike :oldlol:


1998 was his best, since his 2nd three-peat set the record for the modern era/3-pointer basketball (shaq only got 1 three-peat and Kobe/KD/Lebron got none).. it also set the record for rings in the modern era and doubled up everyone in rings as the team's best player (6 to 3).

1993 was his 2nd-best ring because his 1st three-peat is what put him past Bird/Magic in the "best achievement" category, thus making him the modern era goat.

1991 was his 3rd-best ring because he beat the at-the-time goat and runner-up for MVP, while being his primary defender - this was an equal feather in the cap that Bird got by beating Magic.





keep in mind he was defensive stopper for 0 rings as well :oldlol:


MJ guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters in the 91' Finals (70%), to Pippen's 6 of 20 quarters (30%) - this is backed up by rea.l gm here (https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1261129)


MJ was also the primary defender on Drexler, Payton (game 3 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw) and 5 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IFiqeJcgXfg)), Isiah Thomas (all (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc) the time (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q53GLDrhMkY)), Reggie Miller, and Rod Strickland (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JqY3CECW8)

The only time Pippen was the primary defender on the opponent's best perimeter player in the playoffs was the 96' ECF, where Penny outplayed him (25 ppg).. :facepalm

^^^ So there's the proof that MJ was the primary defender on the opponent's best perimeter player

now what examples do you have of pippen being the primary defender that outnumber what was proven for MJ above?.. :biggums:






against no bodies


Magic > Curry
Worthy > Klay

Drexler > Curry
Porter < Klay

Barkley > Curry
KJ > Klay

Payton > Curry
Kemp > Klay

Malone > Curry
Stockton > Klay

Shaq > Curry
Penny > Klay


Anything else... :sleeping

[RRR3]

lekarl's journey to the 1998 nba finals...

first round:

https://i.postimg.cc/dVTb3JQq/1995-Rockets.jpg

second round:

http://blackdoorventures.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/TwinTowers.jpg

wcf:

http://ballislife.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/tumblr_m4c4znjNmt1qd42iyo1_500.jpg

that's just one postseason run.

>>>> anything lefraud has ever done.

really puts this in perspective

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m57pwbn6Eh1r5lrobo1_500.gif

:bowdown:
He had a 53.4 TS% during those playoffs after putting up a 59.7 TS% in the regular season :oldlol:

Pretty sure LeBron would do better

[3ball]

There's a reason why MJ stains keep their heads LOW when MJ vs LBJ discussions arise

https://i.postimg.cc/YqTvqcxK/net-efficiency.png
the 90's West was a bloodbath... I wouldn't expect any team from that era to make it - too much parity - there were a zillion "big 2's" back then and more competitive... whereas the warriors, spurs, and lebron's teams enjoyed the only lasting big 3's of the era, hence the higher net rating (except Bron's teams

which brings up the main point - the list is made up of entirely of historic teams and dominant dynasties - so Duncan and Curry's big 3's made the list but lebron's big 3's didn't (despite a weaker conference)... so instead of a battle of 2 titans like the 80's Lakers and Celtics, it was always David and Goliath with Lebron's Finals - the mighty Spurs/Warriors against Lebron's perennial underdogs

facing great teams doesn't prevent you from having a great team yourself that can compete evenly, but Lebron's teams are 2/6 vs spurs/mavs/warriors, including 2 sweeps, 2 record defeats, and the goat choke - so basically, the worst anyone could do

[SomeBlackDude]

He had a 53.4 TS% during those playoffs after putting up a 59.7 TS% in the regular season :oldlol:

Pretty sure LeBron would do better

bron would just as likely get outscored for the series by chuck person coming off the bench. :ohwell:

and don't even get me started on the kinda defense he'd be facing.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/OxEYCx.gif

would spiral out of control pretty quickly.

[tpols]

1998 was his best, since his 2nd three-peat set the record for the modern era/3-pointer basketball (shaq only got 1 three-peat and Kobe/KD/Lebron got none).. it also set the record for rings in the modern era and doubled up everyone in rings as the team's best player (6 to 3).

1993 was his 2nd-best ring because his 1st three-peat is what put him past Bird/Magic in the "best achievement" category, thus making him the modern era goat.

1991 was his 3rd-best ring because he beat the at-the-time goat and runner-up for MVP, while being his primary defender - this was an equal feather in the cap that Bird got by beating Magic.



MJ guarded Magic for 14 of 20 quarters in the 91' Finals (70%), to Pippen's 6 of 20 quarters (30%) - this is backed up by rea.l gm here (https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?t=1261129)


MJ was also the primary defender on Drexler, Payton (game 3 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=meL62CUehuw) and 5 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IFiqeJcgXfg)), Isiah Thomas (all (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U9MfhFFE7fc) the time (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Q53GLDrhMkY)), Reggie Miller, and Rod Strickland (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=n3JqY3CECW8)

The only time Pippen was the primary defender on the opponent's best perimeter player in the playoffs was the 96' ECF, where Penny outplayed him (25 ppg).. :facepalm

^^^ So there's the proof that MJ was the primary defender on the opponent's best perimeter player

now what examples do you have of pippen being the primary defender that outnumber what was proven for MJ above?.. :biggums:




Magic > Curry
Worthy > Klay

Drexler > Curry
Porter < Klay

Barkley > Curry
KJ > Klay

Payton > Curry
Kemp > Klay

Malone > Curry
Stockton > Klay

Shaq > Curry
Penny > Klay


Anything else... :sleeping

drexler, gary payton, and karl malone are better than steph curry?

...

im gonna have to ask you to step outside.

[RRR3]

bron would just as likely get outscored for the series by chuck person coming off the bench. :ohwell:

and don't even get me started on the kinda defense he'd be facing.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/OxEYCx.gif

would spiral out of control pretty quickly.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13891816&postcount=1


Yeah, Bron would have real difficulty scoring with this kinda defense :yaohappy:

Why are you posting a gif from LeBron's own era to make whatever point you think you have? :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

to answer the question "How did Lebron take down 3 legendary teams?"

2012
posted career best drtg 99 throughout playoffs and nba record 30-10-5 on 50% for entire playoffs only been done 1 time in nba history (NOT by mike)

2013
biggest game 7 in Finals history. dropped 37 on 56% with allen and bosh scoring 0

2016
https://i.postimg.cc/xdmq0qs2/20190531-142817.jpg

this was the ony way to beat them, think about it

kd poured 30 and westbrook did goat #2 optoin all time with 27/11/7/4 but they still lost

it would take something we never seen to beat them and he did it. lead all in all.


anyone? :oldlol:

[3ball]

drexler, gary payton, and karl malone are better than steph curry?

...

im gonna have to ask you to step outside.
easily as ball players, but not accolade-wise because MJ stopped them from winning the high-level awards, just like he would Curry..

Curry is that exact kind of fringe championship-level performer/team that MJ destroyed - he only has 1 ring in 2015 without KD, and that one is tainted by Kyrie's injury.. he infact isn't championship-caliber..

curry wouldn't even have continued playing ball early-on if it weren't for the 3-point line

[SomeBlackDude]

Why are you posting a gif from LeBron's own era to make whatever point you think you have? :oldlol:

last season before the no touching rules changes. 8be made legoat look like he had toddler level handles (which he still does). bron shot 41.7% fg for the season.

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/f6LnV3.gif

no doubt in my mind teenagebe would outscore bron for a playoff series. coming off the bench. shut his ass down on D too.

history has already proven me right.

hasn't it?












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hasn't. it? :crazysam:

[Manny98]

that's just one postseason run.

>>>> anything lefraud has ever done.

really puts this in perspective

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m57pwbn6Eh1r5lrobo1_500.gif

:bowdown:
First round

https://i.postimg.cc/xCsT09g0/6232878-orig.jpg

Second Round

https://i.postimg.cc/P5mXCWKV/254b909184f9c2316bfffd50b5e2bae0.jpg

Conference Finals
https://i.postimg.cc/cCnqVWbk/5321046-4062087195-6a0115709f071f970b016766147755970b.jpg


Finals

https://i.postimg.cc/GmVFvZn3/image.png

LeBrons 2012 playoff run >>>> Ordans entire career

[RRR3]

This guy is using footage of ROOKIE LeBron to make his point :roll:


Absolutely desperate :yaohappy:

[SomeBlackDude]

This guy is using footage of ROOKIE LeBron to make his point :roll:


Absolutely desperate :yaohappy:

oldlionbe vs PRIME lenohandles

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/Dwq45E.gif

different day.

same shit.

amazing what a little contact will do to expose a clown with zero handles.

leshutdown.

[RRR3]

All-star games now.



Desperation :yaohappy:

[RRR3]

Every post from SBD:


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[sdot_thadon]

The damage done is real. Lebron has legit ruined a ton of middle aged men to the point of compulsive obsession with attempting to somehow normalize/rationalize his career. Hurt people, hurt people. I'm here guys in case any if you just need to talk it out......:facepalm

[Manny98]

oldlionbe vs PRIME lenohandles

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/Dwq45E.gif

different day.

same shit.

amazing what a little contact will do to expose a clown with zero handles.

leshutdown.
Baby LeBron vs Absolute Prime Kobe

https://i.postimg.cc/2ysqDz81/Parched-Apt-Daddylonglegs-size-restricted.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/G2NJS8VY/Respectful-Dopey-Gibbon-size-restricted.gif

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/YoungOrangeKodiakbear-size_restricted.gif

16-6 :yaohappy:

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

That's not footage of rookie Lebron btw.

Its from the 2006 season.

That game in particular, Kobe had 2 or 3 stops on Lebron. Gif included. Hit a nasty, corner fadeaway 3 in Lebron's face too. At the buzzer before halftime.

Yeah...I'm kind of a basketball junky.

[SomeBlackDude]

All-star games now.



Desperation :yaohappy:

february 16, 2013:


Michael Jordan Breaks Down Blueprint for Defending LeBron James

The announcers gush about LeBron, mentioning him in the same sentence with Jordan, who hears every word. Those words have an effect on him. He stares at the TV and points out a flaw in LeBron's game.

"I study him," he says.

When LeBron goes right, he usually drives; when he goes left, he usually shoots a jumper. It has to do with his mechanics and how he loads the ball for release. "So if I have to guard him," Jordan says, "I'm gonna push him left so nine times out of 10, he's gonna shoot a jump shot. If he goes right, he's going to the hole and I can't stop him. So I ain't letting him go right."

For the rest of the game, when LeBron gets the ball and starts his move, Jordan will call out some variation of "drive" or "shoot."

february 17, 2013. avatarbe:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/12-12-2018/Dwq45E.gif

lecheckers vs chess

https://www.nba.com/lakers/sites/lakers/files/ezgif-1-30391e4a24.gif

:applause:

[Manny98]

All-star games now.



Desperation :yaohappy:
:oldlol:

[RealSkipBayless]

First round

https://i.postimg.cc/xCsT09g0/6232878-orig.jpg

Second Round

https://i.postimg.cc/P5mXCWKV/254b909184f9c2316bfffd50b5e2bae0.jpg

Conference Finals
https://i.postimg.cc/cCnqVWbk/5321046-4062087195-6a0115709f071f970b016766147755970b.jpg


Finals

https://i.postimg.cc/GmVFvZn3/image.png

LeBrons 2012 playoff run >>>> Ordans entire career

WE WIN AGAIN. :banana:

[RealSkipBayless]

He also has a losing record against everyone.
There will be a thread tomorrow comparing how well each player did against the all-time greats of their eras.
Stay tuned.

[RRR3]

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:roll:

It's gonna be ok. I know you're petrified of LeBeast getting another rang this year.

[SomeBlackDude]

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It's gonna be ok. I know you're petrified of LeBeast getting another rang this year.

going by lehistory, what's more likely to happen- lecantdriveleft finally touching the golden 40% win zone in the finals... or him shitting the bed and lebrow, vogel, the entire city of los angeles being thrown under lebus before lebeast returns to leeast to start yet another handpicked super team/future scapegoats?

again, let's go by what we've already seen these past 17 years.

what does your heart tell you?

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[RRR3]

https://media.giphy.com/media/3ohhwF34cGDoFFhRfy/giphy.gif
:yaohappy:

[SomeBlackDude]

https://i.postimg.cc/c1MV2dTj/05193cc7a5800f7976473971310079ab6c6e45-wm.jpg


inb4 400 threads per day about how terrible the brow was.

10 years from now leteamhoppers gonna be like "bronny jr wasn't shit before or after ledad teamed up with him and zaire :rant "

https://media1.giphy.com/media/W3elPX6v2bqMg/giphy.gif

[Manny98]

SomeBlackDude absolutely fuming in this thread :oldlol:

[SpaceJam2]

SomeBlackDude absolutely fuming in this thread :oldlol:


:lol.:lol