so here we are, 2 months in, lebron fans are starting to complain about the roster.

[bobopenguin]

- we need more helps.
- X sucks, Y is terrible, Coach is clueless, FO is trash.
- we need player A to assist lebron, we need player B to shed load of lebron.
- Let's trade Z & picks for that guy.
- lebron's second option is overrated.
- Leborn has to carry all these bums, what more can he do??

in just 2 months time.

[Mr Exlax]

Suck his dick already man damn

[warriorfan]

My bran.

[3ball]

the ball-dominant style turns teammates into spot-up shooters, which doesn't develop players/teams and requires ready-made stars acquired via collusion/cheating.. LeBron simply avoided the career-losing fate of other ball-dominators by colluding for the extra talent this style needs to win

ultimately, Lebron starts at SF but then shares PG duties with the PG - this creates a 2 point guard lineup that gives teammates less time and assists than they get in 1-PG lineups, thus causing low TEAM assists and a brand that struggles on the championship level, aka 3/9.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Who wouldn't complain about washed up scrubs and no-name role players...

Then again, this is what LeBron's been dealing with his entire career

LeCarry. Just is what it is.

[bobopenguin]

Who wouldn't complain about washed up scrubs and no-name role players...

Then again, this is what LeBron's been dealing with his entire career

LeCarry. Just is what it is.

again, we have this "this is what LeBron's been dealing with his entire career".

[BigKobeFan]

the ball-dominant style turns teammates into spot-up shooters, which doesn't develop players/teams and requires ready-made stars acquired via collusion/cheating.. LeBron simply avoided the career-losing fate of other ball-dominators by colluding for the extra talent this style needs to win

ultimately, Lebron starts at SF but then shares PG duties with the PG - this creates a 2 point guard lineup that gives teammates less time and assists than they get in 1-PG lineups, thus causing low TEAM assists and a brand that struggles on the championship level, aka 3/9.

Trade bran for cp3 and free up kuz

[ArbitraryWater]

Is this Idiot blind?


Trades have been asked for since the start


Can't win with Rondo or a struggling Kuzma as 3rd best player .


This team without LeBron lost by 25 at home to the Nuggets.


You dont think thats pathetic?

This dependency on a 17th year player is disgusting to me

[stalkerforlife]

Is this Idiot blind?


Trades have been asked for since the start


Can't win with Rondo or a struggling Kuzma as 3rd best player .


This team without LeBron lost by 25 at home to the Nuggets.


You dont think thats pathetic?

Thus dependency on a 17th year player is disgusting to me

:roll:

You can't make this shit up.

NEVER enough help.

Has NOTHING to do with losing Bran ball.

:lol

[ArbitraryWater]

:roll:

You can't make this shit up.

NEVER enough help.

Has NOTHING to do with losing Bran ball.

:lol

What happened without dat losing Branball?

Had their second worst loss of the season... yea, gotcha

[stalkerforlife]

What happened without dat losing Branball?

Had their second worst loss of the season... yea, gotcha

He destroys teams by making them completely reliant on him.

They have no rhythm.

And it was one game.

I bet AD with his squad last year wins more games than Bran did.

[PickernRoller]

You can't teach a Letard what Bran ball is. If they truly understood it, most of them would stop being his personal bitch.

[Bronbron23]

Who wouldn't complain about washed up scrubs and no-name role players...

Then again, this is what LeBron's been dealing with his entire career

LeCarry. Just is what it is.
Entire career? Hes been playing for 17 seasons. He started in 03 with Cleveland and left for miami in 2010. So for those 7 years with Cleveland he didnt have great help. Between the next 4 years with miami and the first 3 years with Cleveland with love and kyrie he had very good teams. His last year with Cleveland and his first year with the lakers he didn't have a a whole lot of help. This year he has a great team. So pretty much for half of his career he had great help.

See this is why nobody respects bron stans. Muthaf*ckas always be lying :facepalm

[superduper]

Who wouldn't complain about washed up scrubs and no-name role players...

Then again, this is what LeBron's been dealing with his entire career

LeCarry. Just is what it is.

Cringe and shameless

[LAmbruh]

I like the roster and coaching :confusedshrug:


Outside AD + LBJ it's a group of scrubs but it's a group of scrubs that gel nice


Only minor tweak necessary is a vet shooter @ deadline. And come Feb there will be some ringless pony's begging to ride my Lakers Chip wave

[bullettooth]

February 26, 2019:
I don't know why everyone is overreacting LeBron is still going to make the playoffs Spurs and Clippers are trash and LeBron will go into GOAT mode down the stretchSource: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13613445&postcount=19


March 5, 2019
We're already looking to next season this was supposed to be a throwaway season from the start anywaySource: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13623841&postcount=5

[Gileraracer]

Is this Idiot blind?


Trades have been asked for since the start


Can't win with Rondo or a struggling Kuzma as 3rd best player .


This team without LeBron lost by 25 at home to the Nuggets.


You dont think thats pathetic?

This dependency on a 17th year player is disgusting to me

This team without AD missed the POs :lol

[ImKobe]

My King needs more HALP!!!!


February 26, 2019:Source: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13613445&postcount=19


March 5, 2019Source: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13623841&postcount=5

lmfao, the mental gymnastics by these losers.

[sportjames23]

February 26, 2019:Source: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13613445&postcount=19


March 5, 2019Source: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13623841&postcount=5


Manny's wig = snatched :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

:coleman: As if no one expected this from Lediva

[tpols]

:roll:

You can't make this shit up.

NEVER enough help.

Has NOTHING to do with losing Bran ball.

:lol


the dude has anthony ****ing davis, a rising natural stretch 4 in kuz, some of the best defense and rebounding at C...

i mean for christs sake, the man needs an olympic team for his stans to say the help is decent and even then they complain (see miami).


:facepalm

[DMAVS41]

the dude has anthony ****ing davis, a rising natural stretch 4 in kuz, some of the best defense and rebounding at C...

i mean for christs sake, the man needs an olympic team for his stans to say the help is decent and even then they complain (see miami).


:facepalm

And the Clippers have an even better supporting cast around Leonard.

You guys make it sound like this shit isn't dependent on the competition.

You all say Leonard is better...and I actually agree...so if Leonard is better and he has a better supporting cast (which we all know he does)...what is the argument?

That Lebron in year 17 should be able to beat a better player with a better supporting cast?

These Lakers are really good...they might win it all...I don't think they will, but I wouldn't be shocked.

However, lacking 3 point shooting and playing a guy like Rondo in crunch time in the year 2020 isn't even close to optimal...just reality. You guys can cry about it, but it is true.

[Gileraracer]

February 26, 2019:Source: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13613445&postcount=19


March 5, 2019Source: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13623841&postcount=5

What a loser :roll:

[TheMan]

February 26, 2019:Source: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13613445&postcount=19


March 5, 2019Source: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13623841&postcount=5
In a span of about 10 days this LeQueer changed his whole tune...that's like 3 or 4 games later? :oldlol:

[Ainosterhaspie]

It's not just "LeBron stans" and it's not just a current thing. There have been questions about the Lakers cast since before the season and even while they were off to a great start. With many predicting Lakers struggling. Not stans, but numerous others as well.

The only player who is at all skilled at running an offense is Rondo, but he's way past the point of being a reliably positive contributor. The coach isn't known for being an offensive guru; he's more of a defensive specialist so there's no quality system to be made to keep things running without LeBron. Kidd? Milwaukee's offense immediately improved when he left.

It's very clear to anyone who doesn't have an agenda to try to explain away LeBron's stats, that the Lakers offense is not threat outside of LeBron. Kuzma? He's best suited to the position Davis plays. Could try Davis at the 5, Kuzma at the 4, but Davis doesn't want to play the five. And while that may be an upgrade offensively Kuz is a defensive downgrade. He's in an awkward position as a backup who can't really play with the other stars on the floor.

The Lakers are lacking in a wing defender. LeBron is too old to do that except in spot duties. He cant handle it for a full game or series.

The Lakers are lacking in shooting. It's actually kind of cool to see them winning with an inside game. All of you who are constantly whining that the game is too perimeter focused now should be thrilled that a team is actually trying to and by and large succeeding at punishing teams inside. Sadly you're so wrapped up in LeBron induced psychosis, you can't enjoy something you're clamoring for.

But the lack of shooting is a problem in the modern game and they need more consistent outside shooting to really play at championship level. They can probably keep the primary offensive focus inside, but they need a bit more balance with outside shooting to keep defenses honest.

None of this would matter with 2012-16 LeBron, because they Lakers would have suffocating defense with that guy and significantly better offense as well, but 2020 LeBron lacks the stamina and athleticism to cover up the flaws mentioned above.

[tpols]

And the Clippers have an even better supporting cast around Leonard.

You guys make it sound like this shit isn't dependent on the competition.

You all say Leonard is better...and I actually agree...so if Leonard is better and he has a better supporting cast (which we all know he does)...what is the argument?

That Lebron in year 17 should be able to beat a better player with a better supporting cast?

These Lakers are really good...they might win it all...I don't think they will, but I wouldn't be shocked.

However, lacking 3 point shooting and playing a guy like Rondo in crunch time in the year 2020 isn't even close to optimal...just reality. You guys can cry about it, but it is true.


That s the ONLY team in the whole league with a better supporting cast.

God forbid the guy only has the second best help.

O how does he manage through such adversity?

:facepalm

[dreamshake]

And the Clippers have an even better supporting cast around Leonard.

You guys make it sound like this shit isn't dependent on the competition.

You all say Leonard is better...and I actually agree...so if Leonard is better and he has a better supporting cast (which we all know he does)...what is the argument?

That Lebron in year 17 should be able to beat a better player with a better supporting cast?

These Lakers are really good...they might win it all...I don't think they will, but I wouldn't be shocked.

However, lacking 3 point shooting and playing a guy like Rondo in crunch time in the year 2020 isn't even close to optimal...just reality. You guys can cry about it, but it is true.

Lacking in 3pt shooting?

Rondo 43%
Daniels 40%
Green 38%
Caruso 37%
Bradley 36%
James 31%

Quit talking out of your ass.

[warriorfan]

February 26, 2019:Source: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13613445&postcount=19


March 5, 2019Source: http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13623841&postcount=5

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[superduper]

Lacking in 3pt shooting?

Rondo 43%
Daniels 40%
Green 38%
Caruso 37%
Bradley 36%
James 31%

Quit talking out of your ass.

Boom :eek:

[ImKobe]

Lacking in 3pt shooting?

Rondo 43%
Daniels 40%
Green 38%
Caruso 37%
Bradley 36%
James 31%

Quit talking out of your ass.

https://media1.tenor.com/images/fa67816f5f17eecc6910305984d3784b/tenor.gif

[PP34Deuce]

Its kind of funny to see people think the sky is falling on a team that will still hit 55 to 58 wins and he a top 3 seed.

LA is a very good team. They beat every team in the west in 5 that isnt the clippers or rockets. Championships arent guaranteed.

They need a consistent 6th man or a stretch big that creates more space for AD. The perimeter guys play hard defense and can hit shots here n there.

If lou Williams was on the roster...this team would be considered real deep. Just need consistent bench scoring and lebron to be less timid in tight games this season.

[RealSkipBayless]

Lacking in 3pt shooting?

Rondo 43%
Daniels 40%
Green 38%
Caruso 37%
Bradley 36%
James 31%

Quit talking out of your ass.
What website are you getting those numbers from? Those look like you are using which ever one is higher of career averages and current seasons stats.

[Bankaii]

Lacking in 3pt shooting?

Rondo 43%
Daniels 40%
Green 38%
Caruso 37%
Bradley 36%
James 31%

Quit talking out of your ass.
These numbers are fake af lmao.
You’re the only one talking out of your ass but of course the morons on this site don’t care.

[Spurs m8]

Get Dis Goat Moar Helpz Got Dammit

[ArbitraryWater]

Boom :eek:

this idiot really thought Rondo was shooting 43% from 3

[fourkicks44]

:dancin

We waiting.....

[Uncle Drew]

this idiot really thought Rondo was shooting 43% from 3

That guy was either bullied from the board or he died from the coronavirus. I miss him.

[MrFonzworth]

this idiot really thought Rondo was shooting 43% from 3

:roll:

[light]

- we need more helps.
- X sucks, Y is terrible, Coach is clueless, FO is trash.
- we need player A to assist lebron, we need player B to shed load of lebron.
- Let's trade Z & picks for that guy.
- lebron's second option is overrated.
- Leborn has to carry all these bums, what more can he do??

in just 2 months time.

Take LeBron off that team. Are they good? No. Then it's justified.

[knicksman]

And the Clippers have an even better supporting cast around Leonard.

You guys make it sound like this shit isn't dependent on the competition.

You all say Leonard is better...and I actually agree...so if Leonard is better and he has a better supporting cast (which we all know he does)...what is the argument?

That Lebron in year 17 should be able to beat a better player with a better supporting cast?

These Lakers are really good...they might win it all...I don't think they will, but I wouldn't be shocked.

However, lacking 3 point shooting and playing a guy like Rondo in crunch time in the year 2020 isn't even close to optimal...just reality. You guys can cry about it, but it is true.

talent wise they are comparable but fit wise. Lakers are better. They have a bench that can beat a hot OKC team. While this clippers team are just full of redundant players. Rondo + howard is a better supporting cast than what kawhi has in clippers and then you add davis? Thats what separates real superstars versus frauds. Frauds have the stats of a superstar but the skillset of a role player.

[SATAN]

:facepalm

[ImKobe]

Take LeBron off that team. Are they good? No. Then it's justified.

The Lakers wouldn't be good without AD either. We saw what happened last season. Lebron's body wouldn't hold up with him having to carry the offense every night and our defense would lose us a bunch of games. Davis is the #1 scoring option and the best defensive player on our roster. Lakers went from a 24th ranked offense and a 12th ranked defense to being top 4 in both categories (4th ORTG, 3rd DRTG). It's not like Lebron suddenly became much better than last season.

[NBAGOAT]

The Lakers wouldn't be good without AD either. We saw what happened last season. Lebron's body wouldn't hold up with him having to carry the offense every night and our defense would lose us a bunch of games. Davis is the #1 scoring option and the best defensive player on our roster. Lakers went from a 24th ranked offense and a 12th ranked defense to being top 4 in both categories (4th ORTG, 3rd DRTG). It's not like Lebron suddenly became much better than last season.

this roster is a bit different from last year's however. 5/11 guys who play minutes are new. like he may not have a large impact this year but on paper someone like danny green was huge(lead sg's in rpm). Still an obvious positive this year especially defensively

[Axe]

The Lakers wouldn't be good without AD either. We saw what happened last season. Lebron's body wouldn't hold up with him having to carry the offense every night and our defense would lose us a bunch of games. Davis is the #1 scoring option and the best defensive player on our roster. Lakers went from a 24th ranked offense and a 12th ranked defense to being top 4 in both categories (4th ORTG, 3rd DRTG). It's not like Lebron suddenly became much better than last season.
Those legs of his will surely get tired from running back and forth.

[ImKobe]

Those legs of his will surely get tired from running back and forth.

This has been the case with Lebron since 2017. He can't go hard at the rim all game and finish consistently, he wears out in the Playoffs and that's when we need AD to carry us through those stretches. Luckily, no team out West has the personnel to stop Davis.


this roster is a bit different from last year's however. 5/11 guys who play minutes are new. like he may not have a large impact this year but on paper someone like danny green was huge(lead sg's in rpm). Still an obvious positive this year especially defensively

That's true, though it's not like Zo and Hart were scrubs on that end either, we went from 30th to 12th in DRTG when we drafted those guys. Danny Green's defense will be big for us against the Clippers.

[NBAGOAT]

This has been the case with Lebron since 2017. He can't go hard at the rim all game and finish consistently, he wears out in the Playoffs and that's when we need AD to carry us through those stretches. Luckily, no team out West has the personnel to stop Davis.



That's true, though it's not like Zo and Hart were scrubs on that end either, we went from 30th to 12th in DRTG when we drafted those guys. Danny Green's defense will be big for us against the Clippers.

yea ad's defense is great but based on the stats and players the lakers gave up, ad added more offensively to the team. This was before ingram suddenly became a sniper.

[3ball]

was before ingram suddenly became a sniper.



3-point percentage

18' Ingram no Lebron... 39%
19' Ingram w/ Lebron... 33%
20' Ingram no Lebron... 39%

The bias of a lebron fan is a microcosm of how dumb society is as a whole

Ultimately, Lebron lacks elite jumpshooting skill or off-ball skill - these skill deficits prevent him from fitting with various systems or players, which prevents the best teams, aka 3/9

[NBAGOAT]

3-point percentage

18' Ingram no Lebron... 39%
19' Ingram w/ Lebron... 33%
20' Ingram no Lebron... 39%

The bias of a lebron fan is a microcosm of how dumb society is as a whole

Ultimately, Lebron lacks elite jumpshooting skill or off-ball skill - these skill deficits prevent him from fitting with various systems or players, which prevents the best teams, aka 3/9

ingram's ft% the past 4 years.

2016: 62.1%
2017: 68.1%
2018: 67.5%
2019: 85.8%

Ft% is one of the best indicators and predictors of shooting ability, far better than 3pt%. Far less variance and not affected by other factors such as closeness of defenders teammates etc. Also i know you know shooting 39% on 1.8 3pa is far different than 39% on 6.3 3pa. this type of disingenous argument is why no one(even mj stans) likes you.

I may not be very smart and not capable of making "brilliant generalizations" about society like you. However at least I'm capable of arguing in good faith.

[3ball]

ingram's ft% the past 4 years.

2016: 62.1%
2017: 68.1%
2018: 67.5%
2019: 85.8%

Ft% is one of the best indicators and predictors of shooting ability, far better than 3pt%. Far less variance and not affected by other factors such as closeness of defenders teammates etc. Also i know you know shooting 39% on 1.8 3pa is far different than 39% on 6.3 3pa. this type of disingenous argument is why no one(even mj stans) likes you.

I may not be very smart and not capable of making "brilliant generalizations" about society like you. However at least I'm capable of arguing in good faith.

I'm right on the 3-point percentage and you're not

The reality is that Ingram was taking mostly pull-ups alongside lebron (your-turn-my-turn with lebron), whereas the Pelicans' superior ball movement allowed him to double his catch-and-shoot frequency and therefore have a much more accurate jumpshot.

These are statistical facts from NBA.com

Ultimately, there's considerable evidence - statistically and otherwise - that lebron doesn't fit with various player types and systems.. His weak fit is a fact, and it's intuitive as to WHY he doesn't fit well.. i.e. weak jumpshooting skill and off-ball ability prevents good fits and therefore the best teams, aka 1*/10 (i'm including this year)

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[NBAGOAT]

I'm right on the 3-point percentage and you're not

The reality is that Ingram was taking mostly pull-ups alongside lebron (your-turn-my-turn with lebron), whereas the Pelicans' superior ball movement allowed him to double his catch-and-shoot frequency and therefore have a much more accurate jumpshot.

These are statistical facts from NBA.com

Ultimately, there's considerable evidence - statistically and otherwise - that lebron doesn't fit with various player types and systems.. His weak fit is a fact, and it's intuitive as to WHY he doesn't fit well.. i.e. weak jumpshooting skill and off-ball ability prevents good fits and therefore the best teams, aka 1*/10 (i'm including this year)

yes you are right but your conclusion that ingram hasnt changed and was always a great shooter has no legs to stand on. ft percentage does not jump 18% without him working on his shooting significantly and 68% ft shooters have never been considered great shooters. Ofc anyone who watches would tell you ingram's shot mechanics are so much better this year but I wont even emphasize that since you dont watch basketball.

the statistical facts sound believable but link them as proof. that's how little credibility you have. Our conversation is about ingram(i havent mentioned lebron since you replied) so i dont give a **** about lebron's "fit issues", classic straw man from you. .