Trading Porzingis

[DoctorP]

Okay, it's looking like Porzingis game may not be a good match for Luka. While Luka was out he played well as his stats more than doubled. He couldn't close consistently, but that's fine. With Luka now back, Porzi is back to his reduced statistical output.

Obviously, Porzingis stats are taking a hit due to Luka which means it's not an optimal fit from a chemistry standpoint. If Porzingis was a less expensive player then it would be fine but this man is making the max. Dallas needs to move quick in acquiring a rebounder and 3d player for Porzingis.

what about these guys:
S. Ibaka
R. Covington
H. Whiteside
B. Beal
B. Lopez

[90sgoat]

If Mavs move Zingis because of Luka, then I'm off the Luka train and will begin hating on him.

If Luka can't coexist with Zingis, then he is an egomaniac.

[chains5000]

Porzingis needs time to fully recover, trading him now would be a bad decision.

[DoctorP]

If Mavs move Zingis because of Luka, then I'm off the Luka train and will begin hating on him.

If Luka can't coexist with Zingis, then he is an egomaniac.


:lol why do you think that?

their games just may not be a match

[DoctorP]

Porzingis needs time to fully recover, trading him now would be a bad decision.

trading him later may be a worse decision. he looked great out there solo

[chains5000]

trading him later may be a worse decision. he looked great out there solo
Do you really think his trade value is where it should be?

[90sgoat]

:lol why do you think that?

their games just may not be a match

Luka doesn't pass the ball to Porzingis and when he does, it is never in Zingis preferred spots.

Luka is showing an unfortunate streak of being an egomaniac.

His success in this league will ultimately come down to if he can curtail his ego and allow others to take some shine away from him.

He doesn't even play any defense and doesn't box out. His bad defense and lack of boxing out costs the Mavs significant points against every game. Many more points against than people probably think.

[DMAVS41]

Has nothing to do with Luka and his stats didn't double.

Mavs aren't trading him unless something insane comes along...as even him playing nowhere near as well as he ultimately will if healthy...is still really important to space the floor and protect the rim.

I try to be patient with this shit, but you guys are just stupid. Sorry...

[DoctorP]

Luka doesn't pass the ball to Porzingis and when he does, it is never in Zingis preferred spots.

Luka is showing an unfortunate streak of being an egomaniac.

His success in this league will ultimately come down to if he can curtail his ego and allow others to take some shine away from him.

He doesn't even play any defense and doesn't box out. His bad defense and lack of boxing out costs the Mavs significant points against every game. Many more points against than people probably think.

then you need a player thats less expensive and doesnt demand the ball. Brook Lopez?

[chains5000]

Has nothing to do with Luka and his stats didn't double.

Mavs aren't trading him unless something insane comes along...as even him playing nowhere near as well as he ultimately will if healthy...is still really important to space the floor and protect the rim.

I try to be patient with this shit, but you guys are just stupid. Sorry...
:oldlol:

[90sgoat]

then you need a player thats less expensive and doesnt demand the ball. Brook Lopez?

Ok, but then I won't give a shit about Luka.

Porzingis > Luka when it comes to being likeable.

[DoctorP]

Has nothing to do with Luka and his stats didn't double.

Mavs aren't trading him unless something insane comes along...as even him playing nowhere near as well as he ultimately will if healthy...is still really important to space the floor and protect the rim.

I try to be patient with this shit, but you guys are just stupid. Sorry...

Max player giving you that production? thats whats stupid

[DoctorP]

Ok, but then I won't give a shit about Luka.

Porzingis > Luka when it comes to being likeable.

whatever. it aint a beauty pageant. lets not be so queer about it.

[90sgoat]

whatever. it aint a beauty pageant. lets not be so queer about it.

Why would I care to watch another Harden/Lebron clone?

[DMAVS41]

Max player giving you that production? thats whats stupid

In the real world...you don't judge players on their first 30 games back on a new team after missing nearly 2 years.

You let 24 year olds that haven't hit their prime yet...get used to a new system and new players...etc.

And, even with that, he's playing an important role on a team that is on a near 55 win pace and blowing expectations out of the water.

It isn't even a real max contract anyway...30 million a year on average for 5 years with all the increases in the cap is a great deal if he's healthy.

You don't panic trade a guy like him unless something insane becomes available.

[DoctorP]

Why would I care to watch another Harden/Lebron clone?

its happening whether Porzingis is there or not

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[DoctorP]

In the real world...you don't judge players on their first 30 games back on a new team after missing nearly 2 years.

You let 24 year olds that haven't hit their prime yet...get used to a new system and new players...etc.

And, even with that, he's playing an important role on a team that is on a near 55 win pace and blowing expectations out of the water.

It isn't even a real max contract anyway...30 million a year on average for 5 years with all the increases in the cap is a great deal if he's healthy.

You don't panic trade a guy like him unless something insane becomes available.

that's a sensible argument for why NOT to trade him but unfortunately this thread is called TRADING PORZINGIS. And why do you trade him? For all the reasons I have already mentioned.

Because Porzingis is looking pretty damn healthy and he does not look like an amazing fit.

[DMAVS41]

that's a sensible argument for why NOT to trade him but unfortunately this thread is called TRADING PORZINGIS. And why do you trade him? For all the reasons I have already mentioned.

Because Porzingis is looking pretty damn healthy and he does not look like an amazing fit.

How so?

The Mavs have the best offense in the league and KP has been great on defense in terms of protecting the rim. What he brings, even when not making shots, is still very valuable...and will only get more valuable.

Come up with some deals.

The guys in your OP don't make sense...either in terms of not getting enough back...or hurting the defense too much.

A guy like Covington would be great on this team, but you'd never give up KP for him. Beal would be great on offense, but the defense would be nowhere near championship caliber.

[LAmbruh]

His efficiency is getting hit, that's on Porzingis

Other than that his scoring is quite similar to last year considering he's getting less touches and shots. 19fga vs 16fga (2020)

You want to play on a championship squad in this league, then you're sacrificing digits at the expense of winning. The days of 'wanting to be the man' don't hold weight like they use to when guys like 16ppg Kevin Love is making 120 million in 4 seasons. It ain't like the 90's where......


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The NBPA has successfully lobbied the past 20 years to increase cap so players motivation comes from TEAM success and organic competition. Rather than 'ME'ME'ME' gotta get that 50k all-star bonus even if it means Iso the team out of the game.

[90sgoat]

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What is that MJ contract in inflation adjusted numbers?

Something like 60-70 mill?

[tontoz]

KP has struggled with his shot with or without Luka. He just got more shots with Luka out. His high game without Luka was 26 so let's not pretend like he was lighting it up.


No point in trading him now. His value is down and it remains to be seen if he can fully get his game back and/or play well with Luka.

[sammichoffate]

OP just salty the Euros are taking over.

[DoctorP]

Troll comments aside, looks like yall arent ready for...

A Giannis/Porzingis front court???

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[imdaman99]

They better not trade him. I honestly think he's more important to the team than Luka is.

[DoctorP]

Porzingis cant even be traded yet but you gotta think about the futurrrrreeee

Porzingis and Lee
for
BLopez and Middleton

win/win

[dreamshake]

In the real world...you don't judge players on their first 30 games back on a new team after missing nearly 2 years.

You let 24 year olds that haven't hit their prime yet...get used to a new system and new players...etc.

And, even with that, he's playing an important role on a team that is on a near 55 win pace and blowing expectations out of the water.

It isn't even a real max contract anyway...30 million a year on average for 5 years with all the increases in the cap is a great deal if he's healthy.

You don't panic trade a guy like him unless something insane becomes available.

Except Kuzma is like 24 and you're already trying to ship him off. Hypocrite.

[DMAVS41]

Except Kuzma is like 24 and you're already trying to ship him off. Hypocrite.

KP is way better than Kuzma....so lets get that part straight here.

In addition, the Mavericks aren't up against the clock in a win now mode with Lebron aging...so it is a terrible comparison...

KP also makes perfect sense on this team...the Mavs need a floor spacing big that can protect the rim. While Kuzma's fit isn't bad, it certainly isn't ideal.

Lastly, I'm not trying to do anything...I'm simply giving my opinion that the Lakers should explore moving him given all of the above.

Try again...

[sammichoffate]

KP is way better than Kuzma....so lets get that part straight here.

In addition, the Mavericks aren't up against the clock in a win now mode with Lebron aging...so it is a terrible comparison...

KP also makes perfect sense on this team...the Mavs need a floor spacing big that can protect the rim. While Kuzma's fit isn't bad, it certainly isn't ideal.

Lastly, I'm not trying to do anything...I'm simply giving my opinion that the Lakers should explore moving him given all of the above.

Try again...https://i.postimg.cc/RZN3LnTs/Untitled.png

He's a troll, ignore him.

[RealSkipBayless]

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He's a troll, ignore him.
Looks like a Ballsout/Nikelg alt

[Doomsday Dallas]

We're not trading anybody.

keep the team as is

[stalkerforlife]

Trash thread lol.

Wtf.

[Meticode]

Luka and Porzingis have the ability to be one of the best three duos in the game today. The only way it works is if Porzingis accepts that second role because that offense is and should run through Doncic. There games match very well together because of Porzingis's ability to stretch the floor super long and Doncic's craftiness on getting around the rim.

[DoctorP]

Trash thread lol.

Wtf.

trash poster trash posts in trash thread


the cycle completes.

[DoctorP]

https://youtu.be/K1VY4rf1mnE?t=63

Timeline: 1m03s

Here is one way Luca kills Porzingis. Porzingis gets the ball and Luca runs to him and brings a defender to Porzingis so Porzingis can pass the ball to him on the cut.

I'm not sure Porzingis should be dealt but Dallas must be looking at the situation carefully and considering whether the fit is ideal. THere is probably a timeline.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

https://youtu.be/K1VY4rf1mnE?t=63

Timeline: 1m03s

Here is one way Luca kills Porzingis. Porzingis gets the ball and Luca runs to him and brings a defender to Porzingis so Porzingis can pass the ball to him on the cut.

I'm not sure Porzingis should be dealt but Dallas must be looking at the situation carefully and considering whether the fit is ideal. THere is probably a timeline.

Weird time to bump this they both had great games in the same game which has rarely happened this season

[DoctorP]

Weird time to bump this they both had great games in the same game which has rarely happened this season

yeah, just wanted to point that vid out to test the video capabilities of the site. doesnt use the timecode metadata

maybe w time there is hope for porzingis/luca

[kentatm]

Here is one way Luca kills Porzingis. Porzingis gets the ball and Luca runs to him and brings a defender to Porzingis so Porzingis can pass the ball to him on the cut.

I'm not sure Porzingis should be dealt but Dallas must be looking at the situation carefully and considering whether the fit is ideal. THere is probably a timeline.

:biggums: Luka sucked in multiple defenders which led to a wide open 3 by Hardaway Jr. How in the world was that a bad play?

[tontoz]

Early in the season KP was most likely struggling because he had missed so much time due to injury. At this point he is probably getting his legs back so naturally he is playing better.

Look at the games he played when Luka was out. He was scoring a lot but averaging maybe 1 assist per game. He is not a guy who can create off the dribble when his man is up on him. If a man is running at him trying to prevent the 3 then he can blow past him to the rim and he can do that just fine playing with Luka.

It will be interesting to watch them after the AS break.

[DoctorP]

:biggums: Luka sucked in multiple defenders which led to a wide open 3 by Hardaway Jr. How in the world was that a bad play?

It wasn't a bad play. I didn't say that. But Porzingis was not able to get the time and space to make an iso move to get a shot Luca immediately came and brought the defense to Porzingis in order to try to get the pass.

[RRR3]

27.2/10.2 on 68.3TS% (in just 31 MPG) in his last 5 games.

[kentatm]

It wasn't a bad play. I didn't say that. But Porzingis was not able to get the time and space to make an iso move to get a shot Luca immediately came and brought the defense to Porzingis in order to try to get the pass.

Luka cut in because that was the play call. Pass it down low and send a cutter. Either the player cutting is open and gets an easy layup or the cutter sucks in the defense and leads to an open 3. If neither of those happen cutter peals off and KP shoots a turnaround jumper over the defenders head. The Mavs under Carlisle run that play all the time. It was a staple with Dirk in the high post and they have moved to doing it with KP as well.

[DoctorP]

Luka cut in because that was the play call. Pass it down low and send a cutter. Either the player cutting is open and gets an easy layup or the cutter sucks in the defense and leads to an open 3. If neither of those happen cutter peals off and KP shoots a turnaround jumper over the defenders head. The Mavs under Carlisle run that play all the time. It was a staple with Dirk in the high post and they have moved to doing it with KP as well.


yes. I don't like that play with that personnel specifically. It kills the spacing for Porzingis and doesnt allow him time to make a move.

[kentatm]

yes. I don't like that play with that personnel specifically. It kills the spacing for Porzingis and doesnt allow him time to make a move.

KP isn't the #1 option on that play. He is the 3rd option at best. The play is first and foremost designed to lead to an easy layup or 3 point attempt. I also don't understand the issue with the play b/c it's essentially what Dallas road to a title with Dirk. In 2011 the cutter then would have been Shawn Marion and the 3 point shooter would have been either Kidd or Terry. The reason Luka immediately cuts in is so that if he and Hardaway are covered KP still has time to turn and make a move which he did had the all the defenders stayed home and left him one on one in the high post. Honestly on that specific play even if Hardaway was covered the correct play from KP would have been to pass it back to Maxi Kleber who was also wide open for a 3. It could be argued that KP making a move was actually the 4th option in that situation.

[DoctorP]

KP isn't the #1 option on that play. He is the 3rd option at best. The play is first and foremost designed to lead to an easy layup or 3 point attempt. I also don't understand the issue with the play b/c it's essentially what Dallas road to a title with Dirk. In 2011 the cutter then would have been Shawn Marion and the 3 point shooter would have been either Kidd or Terry. The reason Luka immediately cuts in is so that if he and Hardaway are covered KP still has time to turn and make a move which he did had the all the defenders stayed home and left him one on one in the high post. Honestly on that specific play even if Hardaway was covered the correct play from KP would have been to pass it back to Maxi Kleber who was also wide open for a 3. It could be argued that KP making a move was actually the 4th option in that situation.

Yeah, if you havent noticed, Porzingis aint Dirk. Not sure he has his handles or on court awareness. If Porzingis was being reduced, plays like this are the culprit imho

[kentatm]

Yeah, if you havent noticed, Porzingis aint Dirk. Not sure he has his handles or on court awareness. If Porzingis was being reduced, plays like this are the culprit imho


How is running the offense through him on plays like that reducing him? They gave him the rock and had him decide what to do with it. He made the right play. It led to an open 3. His stats aren't down b/c his role is reduced. They are down b/c he's been missing open jumpers which should be expected b/c the guy just came back from a serious injury and hadn't played for nearly 2 years. Now that he is getting more confident with his body he is starting to shred teams. His shot isn't flat anymore b/c he's getting back to his old shooting form and it's going in more b/c of it. He is now driving more off pump fakes b/c he has begun to trust his body again. You don't just immediately start playing great after the kind of injury he had. It takes time to be confident in yourself as it's natural to worry your legs could give out at any moment. Taking a play where he did everything right and concluding that's why his stats are down is ridiculous. I feel like you really haven't watched much of Dallas this year at all to be saying he has been reduced.

[DoctorP]

How is running the offense through him on plays like that reducing him? They gave him the rock and had him decide what to do with it. He made the right play. It led to an open 3. His stats aren't down b/c his role is reduced. They are down b/c he's been missing open jumpers which should be expected b/c the guy just came back from a serious injury and hadn't played for nearly 2 years. Now that he is getting more confident with his body he is starting to shred teams. His shot isn't flat anymore b/c he's getting back to his old shooting form and it's going in more b/c of it. He is now driving more off pump fakes b/c he has begun to trust his body again. You don't just immediately start playing great after the kind of injury he had. It takes time to be confident in yourself as it's natural to worry your legs could give out at any moment. Taking a play where he did everything right and concluding that's why his stats are down is ridiculous. I feel like you really haven't watched much of Dallas this year at all to be saying he has been reduced.

do you really want me to repeat the point I made or are you going to ask the same question over and over?

[kentatm]

do you really want me to repeat the point I made or are you going to ask the same question over and over?

Well your point is straight up wrong and is based on false assumptions b/c you clearly don't watch Dallas play very much and seem to not comprehend how difficult it is to return from a an injury as serious was when felled KP.

Hell we even have an example of a player taking a while to round back into form in Gordon Hayward. He looked awful early last year and then by the end of the season he started to put it together. This year he has played great. It's the same thing with KP. He wasn't getting ignored early in the year. He was just bricking shots and was hesitant to drive. Now that he feels more comfortable with his body he is playing more like the KP of old. Just b/c he isn't running in a triangle offense anymore does not mean his role in the offense has been drastically reduced.

[DoctorP]

Well your point is straight up wrong and is based on false assumptions b/c you clearly don't watch Dallas play very much and seem to not comprehend how difficult it is to return from a an injury as serious was when felled KP.

Hell we even have an example of a player taking a while to round back into form in Gordon Hayward. He looked awful early last year and then by the end of the season he started to put it together. This year he has played great. It's the same thing with KP. He wasn't getting ignored early in the year. He was just bricking shots and was hesitant to drive. Now that he feels more comfortable with his body he is playing more like the KP of old. Just b/c he isn't running in a triangle offense anymore does not mean his role in the offense has been drastically reduced.

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hmm. your points are irrelevant to my point. whatever, im probably not explaining it in a way you understand

they are not assumptions because the video evidence is right there. nowhere did I say Porzingis made a bad or wrong play, Im just displaying why his scoring output and comfort will be reduced in this particular set. the end.

[kentatm]

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hmm. your points are irrelevant to my point. whatever, im probably not explaining it in a way you understand

they are not assumptions because the video evidence is right there. nowhere did I say Porzingis made a bad or wrong play, Im just displaying why his scoring output and comfort will be reduced in this particular set. the end.

You are basing your assumptions off of a single play where he comfortably made the right play and the Mavs got a 3 out of it. Again, his scoring output is lower b/c his shot was flat and caused him to brick a bunch of open jumpers. Again, you clearly don't watch the team if you are going to say he is scoring less b/c of X when it's clear as day to anyone who actually watches them that he was still working his way back from injury.

[DoctorP]

You are basing your assumptions off of a single play where he comfortably made the right play and the Mavs got a 3 out of it. Again, his scoring output is lower b/c his shot was flat and caused him to brick a bunch of open jumpers. Again, you clearly don't watch the team if you are going to say he is scoring less b/c of X when it's clear as day to anyone who actually watches them that he was still working his way back from injury.

you have no evidence to support your claim. thats the difference between my point and yours. youre just on some bullshit, dude. even if your points are true Im not talking about those in particular Im just talking about these kind of sets and how they suck the defense in to him to force the pass

[kentatm]

you have no evidence to support your claim. thats the difference between my point and yours. youre just on some bullshit, dude.

:roll: Holy shit you are a clown. You think evidence of how Dallas regularly uses KP is a single play in a highlight package? A play where he correctly makes the right pass? You don't watch the team so you don't know what you are talking about.


Here is where he is taking most of his shots. It ain't the high post that has been his problem all year. https://stats.nba.com/player/204001/shots-dash/

[DoctorP]

:roll: Holy shit you are a clown. You think evidence of how Dallas regularly uses KP is a single play in a highlight package? A play where he correctly makes the right pass? You don't watch the team so you don't know what you are talking about.

i give up. i dont give a shit about this. just know whenever you see a set like this run, you are wasting porzingis. thats all im saying. this set makes him useless. could be any asswipe to make that play. im done.

your whole point is that you know my viewing habits. wow, youre psychic. nice.

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[Turbo Slayer]

What are u guys arguing about? :confusedshrug:

[DoctorP]

:roll: Holy shit you are a clown. You think evidence of how Dallas regularly uses KP is a single play in a highlight package? A play where he correctly makes the right pass? You don't watch the team so you don't know what you are talking about.


Here is where he is taking most of his shots. It ain't the high post that has been his problem all year. https://stats.nba.com/player/204001/shots-dash/

interesting. with each dribble he takes his efficiency goes down, yet they are clogging him inside to get a pass out. hmmm... cant let him dribble much if you want him to score on a J

[DoctorP]

What are u guys arguing about? :confusedshrug:

just some bullshit about Porzingis

[kentatm]

i give up. i dont give a shit about this. just know whenever you see a set like this run, you are wasting porzingis. thats all im saying. this set makes him useless. could be any asswipe to make that play. im done.

your whole point is that you know my viewing habits. wow, youre psychic. nice.

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:roll:

The fact that you think KP running a play in the high post and hitting a player for an open 3 is making him useless says all I need to know about your bball knowledge. KP pulled in two defenders and Luka pulled in two more which led to two Mavs being wide open for a 3. That is not useless. That is great ball. KP being 7 feet tall and having the ability to see the floor to make that pass is what makes it a great play to run. That's why it worked with Dirk and it's why it works with KP.

And yeah, it's clear as day you don't watch much of Dallas b/c your understanding of how their offense works is incredibly weak.

[kentatm]

What are u guys arguing about? :confusedshrug:


This dude thinks a play where KP went to the high post and hit Hardaway for an open 3 is why his scoring is down and essentially makes him useless. :lol

[DoctorP]

:roll:

The fact that you think KP running a play in the high post and hitting a player for an open 3 is making him useless says all I need to know about your bball knowledge. KP pulled in two defenders and Luka pulled in two more which led to two Mavs being wide open for a 3. That is not useless. That is great ball. KP being 7 feet tall and having the ability to see the floor to make that pass is what makes it a great play to run. That's why it worked with Dirk and it's why it works with KP.

And yeah, it's clear as day you don't watch much of Dallas b/c your understanding of how their offense works is incredibly weak.

meh. he didnt suck up any defenders. a defender was trailing luca and almost ran into porzingis and porzingis couldnt find him and the perimeter player was open even though he was being defended. there was little suckage. youre acting like this dude got doubled asap.

youre just a judgemental douche that likes to attack peoples knowledge. im secure in my knowledge. dont care about your opinion about me

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[Turbo Slayer]

This dude thinks a play where KP went to the high post and hit Hardaway for an open 3 is why his scoring is down and essentially makes him useless. :lol :oldlol: Anyways, what is the high post? How can you define it? I'm looking to expand my b-ball knowledge. Thanks!

[DoctorP]

:oldlol: Anyways, what is the high post? How can you define it? I'm looking to expand my b-ball knowledge. Thanks!

its when you smoke weed and post bullshit on insidehoops

[Turbo Slayer]

its when you smoke weed and post bullshit on insidehoops

:roll::roll::roll:

[kentatm]

:oldlol: Anyways, what is the high post? How can you define it? I'm looking to expand my b-ball knowledge. Thanks!

It's the area around the top of the paint (the painted rectangle) on the floor. It's also known as the elbows at two corners.

https://cccdn-fe9e.kxcdn.com/images/HalfCourtTerms.png

https://www.basketballforcoaches.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/post-spots.jpg


Dirk did most of his damage from that area for a good chunk of his career.

[DoctorP]

It's the area around the top of the paint (the painted rectangle) on the floor. It's also known as the elbows at two corners.

https://cccdn-fe9e.kxcdn.com/images/HalfCourtTerms.png


Dirk did most of his damage from that area for a good chunk of his career.

Bosh too. Prob copied from Dirk

[Turbo Slayer]

It's the area around the top of the paint (the painted rectangle) on the floor. It's also known as the elbows at two corners.

https://cccdn-fe9e.kxcdn.com/images/HalfCourtTerms.png

https://www.basketballforcoaches.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/post-spots.jpg


Dirk did most of his damage from that area for a good chunk of his career.
Ohhhh!!

Thank you kentatm. It is greatly appreciated. My man! :hammertime: Education pays off!

[tontoz]

Dirk is very different from KP. Dirk is slower in general, with a slower release on his shot, but also more skilled. He basically invented that one legged fadeaway.

He was never a volume shooter from 3. He couldnt blow past anyone off the dribble. He basically made a living on fadeaway midrange jumpers that were heavily contested but he made them anyway.

KP's primary value is outside the 3 pt line. He can catch and shoot quickly and make them effectively. If the defender runs out at him then he is quick enough to get past him easily and get to the rim if the defense doesn't rotate quickly. That is his game in a nutshell, and of course there is also the spacing advantage of pulling an opposing big out of the paint.

I think he will actually fit well with Luka in time because they have completely different, and complementary, skill sets. Luka's playmaking ability will give KP a lot of good looks from 3. This season he is taking far more 3s than he ever did in NY. KP pulling opposing bigs out of the lane makes it easier for Luka who is so effective off the dribble. I just hope Luka gets over his love affair with those step back 3s.

[BarberSchool]

Forgive OP, he is an impulsive, emotional, poor decision maker.

Thankfully, Dallas front office contains ZERO impulsive emotional decision makers.

[DoctorP]

Forgive OP, he is an impulsive, emotional, poor decision maker.

Thankfully, Dallas front office contains ZERO impulsive emotional decision makers.
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wrong, this thread is about maximizing Porzingis value for the Mavs. I have ZERO emotional connection with Dallas.

[BarberSchool]

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wrong, this thread is about maximizing Porzingis value for the Mavs. I have ZERO emotional connection with Dallas.Porzingis trade value at the moment is nowhere close to it's maximum. That won't happen until next year at the earliest.

[BarberSchool]

@OP
Your knowledge of offensive basketball is lacking severely if you think having a player like whiteside on Dallas wouldn't severely hamper their offensive spacing and efficiency, as well as the rest of the team's ability to slash thru a sparsely populated paint.

Thankfully, Carlisle calls the shots and won't similarly destroy the elite offensive evolution we are witnessing in this young team.

[BarberSchool]

then you need a player thats less expensive and doesnt demand the ball. Brook Lopez?Does Brook Lopez have 8+ years left in his prime to grow with a young team ? Should the 1990 Bulls have traded pippen for a veteran past his physical prime ?

[BarberSchool]

that's a sensible argument for why NOT to trade him but unfortunately this thread is called TRADING PORZINGIS. And why do you trade him? For all the reasons I have already mentioned.

Because Porzingis is looking pretty damn healthy and he does not look like an amazing fit.You maythink that Porzingis contributions would only show up in stat sheet as points and blocks ?
His part in Dallas' team success is quantifiable for bean counting fantasy nerds, right ?
Spacing and shot CHANGING are tallied in daily box scores, right ?
Zingis trade value is at an all time high ?

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[BarberSchool]

has nothing to do with luka and his stats didn't double.

Mavs aren't trading him unless something insane comes along...as even him playing nowhere near as well as he ultimately will if healthy...is still really important to space the floor and protect the rim.

I try to be patient with this shit, but you guys are just stupid. Sorry...this af.

[BarberSchool]

Dirk is very different from KP. Dirk is slower in general, with a slower release on his shot, but also more skilled. He basically invented that one legged fadeaway.

He was never a volume shooter from 3. He couldnt blow past anyone off the dribble. He basically made a living on fadeaway midrange jumpers that were heavily contested but he made them anyway.

KP's primary value is outside the 3 pt line. He can catch and shoot quickly and make them effectively. If the defender runs out at him then he is quick enough to get past him easily and get to the rim if the defense doesn't rotate quickly. That is his game in a nutshell, and of course there is also the spacing advantage of pulling an opposing big out of the paint.

I think he will actually fit well with Luka in time because they have completely different, and complementary, skill sets. Luka's playmaking ability will give KP a lot of good looks from 3. This season he is taking far more 3s than he ever did in NY. KP pulling opposing bigs out of the lane makes it easier for Luka who is so effective off the dribble. I just hope Luka gets over his love affair with those step back 3s.Another sane, rational, logical poster. Thanks fellas.

[kentatm]

Dirk is very different from KP. Dirk is slower in general, with a slower release on his shot, but also more skilled. He basically invented that one legged fadeaway.

He was never a volume shooter from 3. He couldnt blow past anyone off the dribble. He basically made a living on fadeaway midrange jumpers that were heavily contested but he made them anyway.

KP's primary value is outside the 3 pt line. He can catch and shoot quickly and make them effectively. If the defender runs out at him then he is quick enough to get past him easily and get to the rim if the defense doesn't rotate quickly. That is his game in a nutshell, and of course there is also the spacing advantage of pulling an opposing big out of the paint.

I think he will actually fit well with Luka in time because they have completely different, and complementary, skill sets. Luka's playmaking ability will give KP a lot of good looks from 3. This season he is taking far more 3s than he ever did in NY. KP pulling opposing bigs out of the lane makes it easier for Luka who is so effective off the dribble. I just hope Luka gets over his love affair with those step back 3s.


You are thinking of old Dirk during the back half of his career. Young through prime Dirk blew by guys quite regularly off the dribble. He would pull up for quick shots all time time. Dirk didn't start to live in the mid range w/his one legged fade away the way he is now known for until somewhere between 2008-2010. He used to hoist 3s with abandon (for the era) when Don Nelson was the coach and he was running with Nash and Finley. Even w/all the murdering he did from mid range in the 2011 playoffs he still was pump faking and taking guys off the dribble.

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He just tended to use it as needed b/c he had become so dominant with that one legged fade.

[Hawker]

You are thinking of old Dirk during the back half of his career. Young through prime Dirk blew by guys quite regularly off the dribble. He would pull up for quick shots all time time. Dirk didn't start to live in the mid range w/his one legged fade away the way he is now known for until somewhere between 2008-2010. He used to hoist 3s with abandon (for the era) when Don Nelson was the coach and he was running with Nash and Finley. Even w/all the murdering he did from mid range in the 2011 playoffs he still was pump faking and taking guys off the dribble.

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He just tended to use it as needed b/c he had become so dominant with that one legged fade.
Thanks for bringing back the good memories with that .gif.

While I love watching videos on that, I feel like I haven’t done that at all this season and shouldn’t. It’s been a great season so far and I can’t wait until the playoffs.

[DoctorP]

@OP
Your knowledge of offensive basketball is lacking severely if you think having a player like whiteside on Dallas wouldn't severely hamper their offensive spacing and efficiency, as well as the rest of the team's ability to slash thru a sparsely populated paint.

Thankfully, Carlisle calls the shots and won't similarly destroy the elite offensive evolution we are witnessing in this young team.

Whiteside is an expiring contract, you filthy mook! :lol

[DoctorP]

Whiteside is an expiring contract, you filthy mook! :lol

Seriously though, Whiteside would slow down your offense but he may help against the Lakers in the playoffs as a big off the bench. Plus, he expires so you can add a top tier player that's a better fit in the summer. Anyways, moot point now as the trading deadline has passed so who cares?

[DoctorP]

Porzingis not there again when it mattered.

Maybe trade him now while his value is high?

Luka needs his Pippen

[DoctorP]

Dallas gets slaughtered by Philly tonight. I still say Porzi should have been traded. Non of my options were great except Beal, though. Maybe as a combination, though.

[fourkicks44]

Dallas gets slaughtered by Philly tonight. I still say Porzi should have been traded. Non of my options were great except Beal, though.


After watching the game tonight I think the Mavs are playing Luka wrong.

Sure he is crafty and has a wide ranging skill set, but he shouldn't be the playmaker on this team as is.

He should be looking to score first every posession


Give Brunson the PG position and get Luka more shots.

[dirkdiggler41]

After watching the game tonight I think the Mavs are playing Luka wrong.

Sure he is crafty and has a wide ranging skill set, but he shouldn't be the playmaker on this team as is.

He should be looking to score first every posession


Give Brunson the PG position and get Luka more shots.

You clearly don't watch the Mavs on a regular basis. Brunson is a black hole and you don't want him to run the offense when you got a better playmaker, passer, and passing willingness in Luka. Today was the first time I have ever seen Luka been shut down by a defense. Great defense by the Sixers, without a doubt, especially Simmons.

[tontoz]

I watch the Mavs a lot and I agree Luka is brilliant with the ball. The Mavs had the best offense in the league last year with him running the show.

Didn't watch this game but I know Simmons is an elite defender. However that is usually not enough against Luka.

[dirkdiggler41]

I watch the Mavs a lot and I agree Luka is brilliant with the ball. The Mavs had the best offense in the league last year with him running the show.

Didn't watch this game but I know Simmons is an elite defender. However that is usually not enough against Luka.

Simmons has the quickness and length to hang with Luka. When he came off the screen they used a hard double-team with long arms. The rest of the team positioned themself great and it was hard to find the open man.

[fourkicks44]

You clearly don't watch the Mavs on a regular basis. Brunson is a black hole and you don't want him to run the offense when you got a better playmaker, passer, and passing willingness in Luka. Today was the first time I have ever seen Luka been shut down by a defense. Great defense by the Sixers, without a doubt, especially Simmons.

What they are doing is not working right now. You have to agree with that right?

I'm not saying Luka is a bad playmaker, my point is maybe he should play off ball more and he should be more aggressive.

They have gotta make some moves, that can't be denied now.

[DoctorP]

What they are doing is not working right now. You have to agree with that right?

I'm not saying Luka is a bad playmaker, my point is maybe he should play off ball more and he should be more aggressive.

They have gotta make some moves, that can't be denied now.

I agree. Luka is trying to do Bran ball but hes best as an assassin. Maybe he should try being more like Bird or Kobe and not be so ball dominant. He's going to wear down. Right now his teammates don't have the shooting like last year.

[dirkdiggler41]

What they are doing is not working right now. You have to agree with that right?

I'm not saying Luka is a bad playmaker, my point is maybe he should play off ball more and he should be more aggressive.

They have gotta make some moves, that can't be denied now.



I agree. Luka is trying to do Bran ball but hes best as an assassin. Maybe he should try being more like Bird or Kobe and not be so ball dominant. He's going to wear down. Right now his teammates don't have the shooting like last year.


I don't get what you guys are saying. He is playing better than ever before, but this season has gone bad because of injuries and covid (check the FAQ thread I made a whileback http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?490076-FAQ-when-it-comes-the-Mavs-situation )

The Mavs has won 7 out of the last 10 games while Doncic has been averaging 32 points (49%, 45%, 78%) 8rpg, 9apg, and 1spg. This healthy team is pretty good, but people think they are bad because of their record that was made by g-leaguers and a superstar.

[DoctorP]

I don't get what you guys are saying. He is playing better than ever before, but this season has gone bad because of injuries and covid (check the FAQ thread I made a whileback http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?490076-FAQ-when-it-comes-the-Mavs-situation )

The Mavs has won 7 out of the last 10 games while Doncic has been averaging 32 points (49%, 45%, 78%) 8rpg, 9apg, and 1spg. This healthy team is pretty good, but people think they are bad because of their record that was made by g-leaguers and a superstar.

Okay, Luka's play aside, Porzingis is not worth the cap room because of chemistry w Luka and injuries.

[DoctorP]

bump to say "I told you so"

Should have traded Porzi when I made this thread.


My GM abilities are available at the right price.

[Xiao Yao You]

Who wants him?

[DoctorP]

Who wants him?

Miami. but perhaps not at that price.