Jordan lost with an all star in 1990 and 1995

[Dray n Klay]

LeBron won without any all-star teammates in 2016

[The Iron Fist]

Derek Fisher has a better finals record than lebron.

[3ball]

Jordan lost with an all star in 1990 and 1995


Lebron lost with an all-star in 2005 and 2009

and lost with 2 all-stars in 2011, 2014, and 2017





LeBron won without any all-star teammates in 2016


ditto MJ in 1991 and 1998

[Dray n Klay]

Lebron lost with an all-star in 2005 and 2009

and lost with 2 all-stars in 2011, 2014, and 2017



ditto MJ in 1991 and 1998

LeBron has 9 playoff series wins without home court advantage (most in NBA History)

LeBron beat a 73 win team (highest winning team to ever lose a playoff series)


Jordan only has 4 series wins without HCA and couldn

[3ball]

LeBron has 9 playoff series wins without home court advantage (most in NBA History)

LeBron beat a 73 win team (highest winning team to ever lose a playoff series)


Jordan only has 4 series wins without HCA and couldn’t even beat a 65+ win team
How many losses as the favorite for each player

Lebron: 4
Jordan: 0


How many series was he carried by teammate/outscored by teammate:

Lebron: 5
Jordan: 0

[Dray n Klay]

How many losses as the favorite for each player

Lebron: 4
Jordan: 0


How many series was he carried by teammate/outscored by teammate:

Lebron: 5
Jordan: 0

Playoff series leading in points/rebounds/assists

LeBron: 17

Jordan: 0

:eek:

[coin24]

Adam Morrison >> bran

[3ball]

Playoff series leading in points/rebounds/assists

LeBron: 17

Jordan: 0

:eek:
Playoff series scoring at least 10 ppg more than his 2nd option (carry-job):

Jordan: every series and every Finals
Lebron: few series and no winning Finals

[Dray n Klay]

Playoff series leading his 2nd option by a minimum of 10 ppg (carry-job):

Jordan: every series and every Finals
Lebron: few series and no Finals

If you add up the points/rebounds/assists totals, the gap between LeBron and his next best teammate would be higher than MJ and his next best teammate

Agree/disagree?

[3ball]

If you add up the points/rebounds/assists totals, the gap between LeBron and his next best teammate would be higher than MJ and his next best teammate

Agree/disagree?
no, because MJ always averaged 10-30 more than his 2nd option in every playoff series of his career, while Lebron usually leads in rebounds and assists by like 1 rebound and 1 assist per game, so nowhere near 10 ppg

[Dray n Klay]

no, because MJ always averaged 10-30 more than his 2nd option in every playoff series of his career, while Lebron usually leads in rebounds and assists by like 1 rebound and 1 assist per game, so nowhere near 10 ppg

No, the difference between the COMBINED points rebounds and assists of LeBron and his next best teammate


LeBron got 5ppg more than Kyrie, but double the rebounds and assists. Jordan got 10 ppg more Pippen, but less rebounds/assists.


So the total gap between LeBron and his next best teammate was higher

[72-10]

Some would argue whether Pippen was All-Star caliber in 1990; could have been replaced with McHale. A raw athlete with unhoned skills, Pippen hadn't yet flourished. The voting is largely attributable to the sports crazy Chicago fanbase and the national exposure that the Bulls received due to Pippen's superstar teammate.

Kyrie Irving played like an All-NBA First Teamer in the 2016 Finals.

[3ball]

No, the difference between the COMBINED points rebounds and assists of LeBron and his next best teammate


LeBron got 5ppg more than Kyrie, but double the rebounds and assists. Jordan got 10 ppg more Pippen, but less rebounds/assists.


So the total gap between LeBron and his next best teammate was higher
it doesn't work like that

Lebron got 1 more rebound than say, Love or Tristan

and he got 2 more assists than Kyrie

So that's 3 more than the next guy in each category

But MJ got 10 more points than Pippen in every series - that trumps Lebron's tiny advantages in the lesser important categories

[3ball]

Some would argue whether Pippen was All-Star caliber in 1990; could have been replaced with McHale. A raw athlete with unhoned skills, Pippen hadn't yet flourished. The voting is largely attributable to the sports crazy Chicago fanbase and the national exposure that the Bulls received due to Pippen's superstar teammate.

Kyrie Irving played like an All-NBA First Teamer in the 2016 Finals.
It's amazing that MJ nearly beat the Pistons that year in 1990 with a sidekick as green as Pippen

People don't seem to understand that a 17 ppg sidekick and the #7 team defense is NOT a lot of help, and would be considered an absolute carry-job if not for MJ-fatigue.

But the reality is that only MJ had to be scoring champ to win rings (the biggest burden possible).. no one else ever did that - only MJ

[Dray n Klay]

it doesn't work like that

Lebron got 1 more rebound than say, Love or Tristan

and he got 2 more assists than Kyrie

So that's 3 more than the next guy in each category

But MJ got 10 more points than Pippen in every series - that trumps Lebron's tiny advantages in the lesser important categories

So you’re comparing MJ to one other Bulls player, but LeBron’s stats is compared to the ENTIRE team :eek:


Seems like you’re holding LeBron to a higher standard than Baldan :oldlol:



Why was 4/2 enough for MJ in 1998 but 12/10 wasn’t enough for LeBron in 2017?? :eek:

[3ball]

So you’re comparing MJ to one other Bulls player, but LeBron’s stats is compared to the ENTIRE team :eek:


Seems like you’re holding LeBron to a higher standard than Baldan :oldlol:



Why was 4/2 enough for MJ in 1998 but 12/10 wasn’t enough for LeBron in 2017?? :eek:
No, I'm comparing apples to apples

MJ didn't rebound as much as Horace, but his assists were equal or greater than Pippen's, and his scoring was at least 10 points greater in every series.

that's a bigger gap over his teammates than Lebron, due primarily to his ridiculous scoring edge that Lebron's puny edges in rebs and assists can't offset

it's a shame that Lebron needs and equal scoring partner and closer to win a championship - he only scored 2-5 more than his 2nd option in his Finals wins, compared to 10-20 for MJ (carry-job for all Finals)

[FromDowntown]

So you’re comparing MJ to one other Bulls player, but LeBron’s stats is compared to the ENTIRE team :eek:


Seems like you’re holding LeBron to a higher standard than Baldan :oldlol:



Why was 4/2 enough for MJ in 1998 but 12/10 wasn’t enough for LeBron in 2017?? :eek:

Guys?

[3ball]

Lebron had an all-star teammate or recent all-star for every year of his career

Otoh, MJ had no all-star from 85-89'

Overall, lebron had 7 all-star teammates and won 3 rings.. MJ had 1 and won 6... No comparison

[FromDowntown]

Lebron had an all-star teammate or recent all-star for every year of his career

Otoh, MJ had no all-star from 85-89'

Overall, lebron had 7 all-star teammates and won 3 rings.. MJ had 1 and won 6... No comparison

What about all nba teammates?

#TheResultsMayShockYou

[GrayGoat]

What about all nba teammates?

#TheResultsMayShockYou

Imagine having two defensive anchors (Pippen, Rodman) as your sidekicks :biggums:

[OrlandoMagicGuy]

1990 doesn't count due to Pippen having a damn migrane,the Bulls took the Pistons to 7 games in the ECF,that same Pistons team went to the finals and beat the Blazers in only 5 games.So Jordan would have had 7 chips and probably more than that if he didn't retire in 93.

[Soundwave]

1990 doesn't count due to Pippen having a damn migrane,the Bulls took the Pistons to 7 games in the ECF,that same Pistons team went to the finals and beat the Blazers in only 5 games.So Jordan would have had 7 chips and probably more than that if he didn't retire in 93.

Pippen making the All-Star team in 1990 instead of 1991 was always kind of weird.

In 1990 (All-Star season) he averaged 16.5 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 5.4 apg

In 1991 (not voted to All-Star team) he averaged 17.8 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 6 apg

And yeah it was impressive that the Bulls nearly made the NBA Finals over a great team like the Pistons in 1990.

[Roundball_Rock]

So now certain all-star seasons "don't count." :lol The OP's talking point is poor since it doesn't factor in all-star quality play where people missed it due to injuries, a snub, etc. but the non-stop MJ stan contortions are always amusing.

[ELITEpower23]

What about all nba teammates?

#TheResultsMayShockYou

Bingo

[ELITEpower23]

1990 doesn't count due to Pippen having a damn migrane,the Bulls took the Pistons to 7 games in the ECF,that same Pistons team went to the finals and beat the Blazers in only 5 games.So Jordan would have had 7 chips and probably more than that if he didn't retire in 93.

:roll: :roll:

Delusional