Is a Finals loss 1 loss per year (3/4 rounds) and a 1st round loss...

[Rico2016]

4 losses? 0/4? Think about that.

Each playoff is 4 rounds. A Finals loss means you won 3 of 4 rounds and you only lost 1 round.

But, a first-round loss means you lost all four rounds (0/4). If everyone is getting so caught up on losses.

1st round defeat = 4 round loss
Finals defeat = 1 round loss

I refused to punish somebody for advancing further into the playoffs round. Especially when we do not punish the people for losing earlier even more. It makes no sense and I'm going to change this.

['Toine=MVP]

4 losses? 0/4? Think about that.

Each playoff is 4 rounds. A Finals loss means you won 3/4 Browns and you lost 1 round.

But, a first-round loss means you lost all four rounds (0/4). If everyone is getting so caught up on losses.

1st round defeat = 4 round loss
Finals defeat = 1 round loss

I refused to punish somebody for advancing further into the playoffs round. Especially when we do not punish the people for losing earlier even more. It makes no sense and I'm going to change this.


Playoff wins vs Eastern teams after 2012 should count as 2 losses each though.

[Rico2016]

Playoff wins vs Eastern teams after 2012 should count as 2 losses each though.

...

Be objective.

['Toine=MVP]

...

Be objective.


Honestly, you can't really count those eastern conference wins (making the finals) as really helping his resume in a truly objective way.

When he faced similar competition, he generally lost. Luckily for LeBron, that was only in the finals and vs the Celtics in 08, 10, and 12 when healthy (though by 2012 they were pretty damn old).

[Rico2016]

Honestly, you can't really count those eastern conference wins (making the finals) as really helping his resume in a truly objective way.

When he faced similar competition, he generally lost. Luckily for LeBron, that was only in the finals and vs the Celtics in 08, 10, and 12 when healthy (though by 2012 they were pretty damn old).

06 Wizards?
07 Pistons?
11 Bulls?
12 Celtics?
12 Pacers
13 Pacers?
14 Pacers?
15 Hawks?
16 Raptors?
17 Raptors?
18 Celtics?

Come on man.

['Toine=MVP]

06 Wizards?
07 Pistons?
11 Bulls?
12 Celtics?
12 Pacers
13 Pacers?
14 Pacers?
15 Hawks?
16 Raptors?
17 Raptors?
18 Celtics?

Come on man.

I included the 12 Celtics, even though they were old. That is pretty much it. The 07 Pistons were ok, but not really a great team, though the accomplishment was decent enough at that point in LeBron's career. The rest is a big old "Come on man" right back at you.

['Toine=MVP]

I'm not sure I should bother engaging with you based on the normal stuff you say, but if you are trying to look at things objectively (and sincerely), you'll have to conclude that LeBron either doesn't have a great resume because his teams weren't very good (and he wouldn't have made it out of the West very often if at all) or that his teams were good but he just couldn't get it done when it mattered most.

[Sarcastic]

The only thing that matters is winning the championship.

[And1AllDay]

good idea lets look to losses and see

playoffs is 4 rounds

1st round exit = 0 wins in 4 rounds = 4 losses (0/4)
missing playoffs = 0 wins in 4 rounds = 4 losses (0/4)
losing in 2nd round = 1 win in 4 rounds = 3 losses (1/4 win rate)
losing in ECF = 2 win in 4 rounds = 2 losses (2/4 win rate)
losing in Finals = 3 wins in 4 rounds = 1 loss (3/4 win rate)
winning chip = 4 wins in 4 rounds = 0 loss (4/4 win rate)

stick with me

mike vs bran for fun

mike has
(2) misses playoffs = 2*4 = 8 losses (02, 03)
(3) 1st round exit = 3*4 = 12 losses (85, 86, 87)
(2) 2nd round exit = 2 * 3 = 6 losses (88, 95)
(2) 3rd round exit = 2* 2 = 4 losses (89, 90)
(6) Finals no exit = 6*0 = 0 (91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98)

totals is 30 losses

bran has
(3) misses playoffs = 3*4 = 12 losses (04, 05, 19)
(0) 1st round exit = 0*4 = 0 (data not available)
(3) 2nd round exit = 3 * 3 = 6 losses (06, 08, 10)
(1) 3rd round exit = 1* 2 = 2 losses (09)
(6) Finals exit = 6*1 = 6 losses (07, 11, 14, 15, 17, 18)
(3) Finals no exit = 3*0 = (12, 13, 16)

total is 27 losses...

stick with me...

but wait

they played different number of seasons

lebran had 27 losses in 16 seasons = 1.6875 per season
mike had 30 losses in 15 seasons = 2.000 per season

bran had less in more seasons

mike had more losses in fewer seasons

there it is folks

mike really did lose more. finals losses > 1st round losses

[And1AllDay]

The only thing that matters is winning the championship.

we hear 6 finals losses a lot tho :eek:

now the numbers are up and mike looks in trouble again

he did lose more. there is facts in only making 6 finals, that means he lost many years

[AlternativeAcc.]

LeBron gets penalized by egregious haters for carrying soup cans to the finals and inevitably 'losing' to all-time stacked teams like Warriors and Spurs

that's how you know LeBron is GOAT, because the only narrative they can cling to is complete nonsense that nobody would ever buy into... desperate bums

WE WIN! :banana:

:djparty

[egokiller]

The only thing that matters is winning the championship.

And when a player wins the championship along with fmvp against 4 other guys that also won chip/s with fmvp against him but on different teams during some other finals series, it doesn’t really matter that much. :lol

How many times has the clown lebron been on the most stacked team and most expensive team in his conference for all his finals trips? 80% of them? 90%?

[And1AllDay]

LeBron gets penalized by egregious haters for carrying soup cans to the finals and inevitably 'losing' to all-time stacked teams like Warriors and Spurs

that's how you know LeBron is GOAT, because the only narrative they can cling to is complete nonsense that nobody would ever buy into... desperate bums

WE WIN! :banana:

:djparty


they know it but they wont admit it thats the hard part

but we know they know

[knicksman]

3/9. didnt read

[3ball]

3/9. didnt read
:roll: :rockon:

[And1AllDay]

finals loss > missing playoffs
finals loss > 1st round exit
finals loss > semi round exit
finals loss > conf finals round exit

remember a playoffs is 4 rounds

losing in the 1st round means you did not win any rounds

1st round exit = 0 wins in 4 rounds = 4 losses (0/4)
missing playoffs = 0 wins in 4 rounds = 4 losses (0/4)
losing in 2nd round = 1 win in 4 rounds = 3 losses (1/4 win rate)
losing in ECF = 2 win in 4 rounds = 2 losses (2/4 win rate)
losing in Finals = 3 wins in 4 rounds = 1 loss (3/4 win rate)
winning chip = 4 wins in 4 rounds = 0 loss (4/4 win rate)

stick with me

mike vs bran for fun

mike has
(2) misses playoffs = 2*4 = 8 losses (02, 03)
(3) 1st round exit = 3*4 = 12 losses (85, 86, 87)
(2) 2nd round exit = 2 * 3 = 6 losses (88, 95)
(2) 3rd round exit = 2* 2 = 4 losses (89, 90)
(6) Finals no exit = 6*0 = 0 (91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98)

totals is 30 losses

bran has
(3) misses playoffs = 3*4 = 12 losses (04, 05, 19)
(0) 1st round exit = 0*4 = 0 (data not available)
(3) 2nd round exit = 3 * 3 = 6 losses (06, 08, 10)
(1) 3rd round exit = 1* 2 = 2 losses (09)
(6) Finals exit = 6*1 = 6 losses (07, 11, 14, 15, 17, 18)
(3) Finals no exit = 3*0 = (12, 13, 16)

total is 27 losses...

stick with me...

but wait

they played different number of seasons

lebran had 27 losses in 16 seasons = 1.6875 per season
mike had 30 losses in 15 seasons = 2.000 per season


bran literally lost less

its facts

[Gil Renard]

finals loss > missing playoffs
finals loss > 1st round exit
finals loss > semi round exit
finals loss > conf finals round exit

remember a playoffs is 4 rounds

losing in the 1st round means you did not win any rounds

1st round exit = 0 wins in 4 rounds = 4 losses (0/4)
missing playoffs = 0 wins in 4 rounds = 4 losses (0/4)
losing in 2nd round = 1 win in 4 rounds = 3 losses (1/4 win rate)
losing in ECF = 2 win in 4 rounds = 2 losses (2/4 win rate)
losing in Finals = 3 wins in 4 rounds = 1 loss (3/4 win rate)
winning chip = 4 wins in 4 rounds = 0 loss (4/4 win rate)

stick with me

mike vs bran for fun

mike has
(2) misses playoffs = 2*4 = 8 losses (02, 03)
(3) 1st round exit = 3*4 = 12 losses (85, 86, 87)
(2) 2nd round exit = 2 * 3 = 6 losses (88, 95)
(2) 3rd round exit = 2* 2 = 4 losses (89, 90)
(6) Finals no exit = 6*0 = 0 (91, 92, 93, 96, 97, 98)

totals is 30 losses

bran has
(3) misses playoffs = 3*4 = 12 losses (04, 05, 19)
(0) 1st round exit = 0*4 = 0 (data not available)
(3) 2nd round exit = 3 * 3 = 6 losses (06, 08, 10)
(1) 3rd round exit = 1* 2 = 2 losses (09)
(6) Finals exit = 6*1 = 6 losses (07, 11, 14, 15, 17, 18)
(3) Finals no exit = 3*0 = (12, 13, 16)

total is 27 losses...

stick with me...

but wait

they played different number of seasons

lebran had 27 losses in 16 seasons = 1.6875 per season
mike had 30 losses in 15 seasons = 2.000 per season


bran literally lost less

its facts

:applause: :cheers:

Nice work, brother.