Porzingis is overrated as hell as a scorer

[AngelEyes]

KP just does not have a star scoring potential, he's still extremely limited on the offensive end. Once in a while he can get hot but he cannot take over games on a consistent basis. He has no post game whatsoever because physically he is weak, his shot is good, not great, and he does not have a quick first step. At this point he's more of a spot-up shooter whose impact is mostly on the defensive end. I don't think he'll ever be a perennial all star.

[RealSkipBayless]

Knicks win again. :banana:

[DMAVS41]

KP just does not have a star scoring potential, he's still extremely limited on the offensive end. Once in a while he can get hot but he cannot take over games on a consistent basis. He has no post game whatsoever because physically he is weak, his shot is good, not great, and he does not have a quick first step. At this point he's more of a spot-up shooter whose impact is mostly on the defensive end. I don't think he'll ever be a perennial all star.

Yea, but there is a ton of value in his floor spacing and defense.

He'll get better as well.

[StrongLurk]

He's Kevin Love with better defense.

[Mask the Embiid]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ksqS7DQhGKQ/hqdefault.jpg

[FKAri]

A guy with his unique talent can always turn a corner and cross a threshold which takes him to another level. I don't think it will happen because at his size he doesn't have a lot of time until he loses mobility and/or starts breaking down.

[dirkdiggler41]

Knicks win again. :banana:

https://nypost.com/2019/12/28/knicks-dennis-smith-jr-responds-to-trade-rumors-as-frustrations-escalate/

Mavs got two starters for DSJ and a couple of low picks.

:lol

[MrFonzworth]

We'll never know because Luka Ball.

[Rico2016]

Luka ball claims another victim. Minimized a top 10 player into "overrated" and "cant score." No one said thid last year. What gives? Luka ball?

[DMAVS41]

Luka ball claims another victim. Minimized a top 10 player into "overrated" and "cant score." No one said thid last year. What gives? Luka ball?

He didn't play last year.

And, you know, he's never been an efficient scorer.

His peak is 54.6% TS and 108 ortg...:confusedshrug:

[stalkerforlife]

He didn't play last year.

And, you know, he's never been an efficient scorer.

His peak is 54.6% TS and 108 ortg...:confusedshrug:

Why do you argue such stupidity with your fellow Bransvestites?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Hes Bargnani on offense with elite defense, possibly DPOY caliber in his prime

[Rico2016]

Why do you argue such stupidity with your fellow Bransvestites?

Says the guy who thinks the NBA black balls every white player?

[MrFonzworth]

Hes Bargnani on offense with elite defense, possibly DPOY caliber in his prime
Spot on comparison. Bargnani came in the league too early:applause:

[DMAVS41]

Rick wasn't ****ing around when he said any post for KP was a bad play.

He either turns it over or misses every time now...even against a small.

He can't even get a look against Danny Green .

[Kblaze8855]

Kinda hard to say he doesnt have star potential when he was an all star the last season he played.

If you mean the injury robbed him of something you dont think he gets back...ok. But to put a cap on his potential is odd to me.

Hes still a fairly unique talent.

[90sgoat]

Sure, it's the 4/10 shooting that lost them the game, not the 6 missed 3 pointers (0-6) from Luka or his 6 turnovers to 7 assists.

You know, this is getting kind of tiresome, because of fanboys are always late to jump on, late to jump off (if ever).

Luka is a great player and a great personality, but he is also a selfish overdribbling ball hog and it hurts the team.

How can you blame Porzingis for Luka going 5/14 and having as many turnovers as assists?

Luka NEEDS to learn to play off ball, like MJ learned to play off ball. You HELP Luka if you're giving him criticism, but fanboy type personalities never understand this.

[Real14]

Knicks win again. :banana:
Knicks didnt deserve Porzingis.

[DMAVS41]

Sure, it's the 4/10 shooting that lost them the game, not the 6 missed 3 pointers (0-6) from Luka or his 6 turnovers to 7 assists.

You know, this is getting kind of tiresome, because of fanboys are always late to jump on, late to jump off (if ever).

Luka is a great player and a great personality, but he is also a selfish overdribbling ball hog and it hurts the team.

How can you blame Porzingis for Luka going 5/14 and having as many turnovers as assists?

Luka NEEDS to learn to play off ball, like MJ learned to play off ball. You HELP Luka if you're giving him criticism, but fanboy type personalities never understand this.

Who is blaming KP for last night? He was better than Luka for sure...Luka had a straight up bad game on both ends.

The bold is idiotic. If you actually believe this...you are just stupid.

The Mavericks have the best offense in the league with Luka on the court and are blowing their expectations out of the water. He routinely sets up his teammates for wide open looks and scores at nearly 62% TS last time I checked.

Like, what more do you want from him? You expected him to win over 50 games and have the best offense in the league this year? That isn't good enough?

He's hurting the team by making the offense considerably better when he's on the floor and having a higher net rating as well?

This team is doing great with Luka both on and off the floor...most of his teammates are playing the best they ever have in their careers.

If you want to criticize Luka...do it for his poor defensive effort...that hurts the team. He can and should get a lot better on that end. Why one would focus on offense...when it has been consistently great...is beyond me.

I have close to unlimited patience to respond to stuff on here, but I can't take this stupidity. I'll keep assuming you don't actually mean what you say, but you guys keep insisting you do. At some point I'll just have to admit you are an idiot.

Again, go tell a real person that knows the NBA...that works in basketball...that you think Luka is hurting the team. For one, you'd never do it, but if you did...you'd be laughed out of the room. Rightfully so.

[julizaver]

KP just does not have a star scoring potential, he's still extremely limited on the offensive end. Once in a while he can get hot but he cannot take over games on a consistent basis. He has no post game whatsoever because physically he is weak, his shot is good, not great, and he does not have a quick first step. At this point he's more of a spot-up shooter whose impact is mostly on the defensive end. I don't think he'll ever be a perennial all star.

Rick Carlisle had said it clearly - he don't need KP to post up, it is low efficiency play right now in this league, and he need him to spread the floor. With KP spreading the floor and Dallas been number one offensive team he is not going to change it soon. Theese are the facts - plain and simple. It could hurt KP scoring averages but if benefits the team who cares ?

KP is not Shaq to be honest and Carlisle knows it better than everyone.

[DMAVS41]

Rick Carlisle had said it clearly - he don't need KP to post up, it is low efficiency play right now in this league, and he need him to spread the floor. With KP spreading the floor and Dallas been number one offensive team he is not going to change it soon. Theese are the facts - plain and simple. It could hurt KP scoring averages but if benefits the team who cares ?

KP is not Shaq to be honest and Carlisle knows it better than everyone.

Yep, and when he does get the ball in the post...he's not comfortable...he's turning it over more than he's making shots.

KP's individual numbers don't matter at all...especially when he's never been an efficient scorer...the people pretending like he was some offensive monster are delusional.

He's never been efficient...

[Smoke117]

He's Kevin Love with better defense.

Not really. Kevin Love has a post game.

[90sgoat]

DMAVS,

Once Luka has an entire series like this game in the playoffs, then you'll change your tune.

I'm ahead of the curve is all.

[DMAVS41]

DMAVS,

Once Luka has an entire series like this game in the playoffs, then you'll change your tune.

I'm ahead of the curve is all.

I've been arguing that we all tap the brakes on the Luka mania since the jump. I've been pushing back on the "Luka is better than Dirk" narrative that sprung up as well.

I've also been saying that the playoffs are going to be a struggle for this team.

All of the above is reasonable.

What isn't reasonable is saying Luka hurts the team on offense. So, like I said...I'll assume you don't mean what you say.

And what you actually mean to say is that Luka has to get better in order to win a championship. Which, quite frankly, is the biggest non-point ever as he's 20 years old and hasn't played a playoff game yet.

Oh, and doesn't have a championship level supporting cast. I'll worry when Luka has a Paul George or Anthony Davis....and a real championship level roster...and is losing every year in his prime. Could happen...but it is way too early to worry about that when this team is exceeding all expectations and playing great with Luka on the court.

:cheers:

[tontoz]

Luka ball claims another victim. Minimized a top 10 player into "overrated" and "cant score." No one said thid last year. What gives? Luka ball?


:lol


When was he a top 10 player?

He is a 7 footer who has shot 46.5% on 2s for his career.

[yeaaaman]

KP just does not have a star scoring potential, he's still extremely limited on the offensive end. Once in a while he can get hot but he cannot take over games on a consistent basis. He has no post game whatsoever because physically he is weak, his shot is good, not great, and he does not have a quick first step. At this point he's more of a spot-up shooter whose impact is mostly on the defensive end. I don't think he'll ever be a perennial all star.

But Richard Jefferson compared him to Anthony Davis to prove how much help Luka has and that's why he's having a good season and not a top-5 player

[90sgoat]

I've been arguing that we all tap the brakes on the Luka mania since the jump. I've been pushing back on the "Luka is better than Dirk" narrative that sprung up as well.

I've also been saying that the playoffs are going to be a struggle for this team.

All of the above is reasonable.

What isn't reasonable is saying Luka hurts the team on offense. So, like I said...I'll assume you don't mean what you say.

And what you actually mean to say is that Luka has to get better in order to win a championship. Which, quite frankly, is the biggest non-point ever as he's 20 years old and hasn't played a playoff game yet.

Oh, and doesn't have a championship level supporting cast. I'll worry when Luka has a Paul George or Anthony Davis....and a real championship level roster...and is losing every year in his prime. Could happen...but it is way too early to worry about that when this team is exceeding all expectations and playing great with Luka on the court.

:cheers:

I'm saying that Mavs won't ever make it out of the second round unless Luke learns to trust his teammates more.

This IS Lebron all over again, except as 3Ball points out, Luka can shoot.

Luka needs to sacrifice possession so that his better teammates (Porzingis), can get the ball where they're comfortable.

Otherwise, he's going to have a lot of results like vs Lakers and Clips. Cause those games pretty much prove my point. Luka is good, but he is not all time good yet. And a playoff series below 40% would maybe make him understand that.

[DMAVS41]

I'm saying that Mavs won't ever make it out of the second round unless Luke learns to trust his teammates more.

This IS Lebron all over again, except as 3Ball points out, Luka can shoot.

Luka needs to sacrifice possession so that his better teammates (Porzingis), can get the ball where they're comfortable.

Otherwise, he's going to have a lot of results like vs Lakers and Clips. Cause those games pretty much prove my point. Luka is good, but he is not all time good yet. And a playoff series below 40% would maybe make him understand that.

If KP wasn't KP...sure...but KP can't score, at all, unless he's spotting up or driving off a weak closeout.

So, no, like I said...until he has the kind of teammates that can actually do the things you are talking about...it makes no sense.

You really should educate yourself on KP man...he can't post and can't create his own shot. He's a spot up shooter...that is all he can do now...and he's never been able to do much else other than that and crash the offensive glass.

Your view on him is not inline with reality at all.

This team shouldn't get out of the 2nd round...why would this team beat the Lakers or Clippers? It wouldn't make sense.

So, like I said...until I see him fail with teams that should be favored to make the conference finals or finals...I'll let a 20 year old figure it out for at least a few years before I start to worry.

In the meantime...you should educate yourself on this Mavs team and KP...because what you are saying it just factually wrong.

The Mavs are better with Luka...not worse as you claimed...and KP doesn't have "spots" to create his own offense. He's not good enough for that...and he's never done that...simple as that. And, he's getting plenty of shots...how many shots do you think an inefficient offensive player should be getting? You want KP taking 25 shots? Why? He's not efficient....not sure what you are thinking here.

[superduper]

If KP wasn't KP...sure...but KP can't score, at all, unless he's spotting up or driving off a weak closeout.

So, no, like I said...until he has the kind of teammates that can actually do the things you are talking about...it makes no sense.

You really should educate yourself on KP man...he can't post and can't create his own shot. He's a spot up shooter...that is all he can do now...and he's never been able to do much else other than that and crash the offensive glass.

Your view on him is not inline with reality at all.

This team shouldn't get out of the 2nd round...why would this team beat the Lakers or Clippers? It wouldn't make sense.

So, like I said...until I see him fail with teams that should be favored to make the conference finals or finals...I'll let a 20 year old figure it out for at least a few years before I start to worry.

In the meantime...you should educate yourself on this Mavs team and KP...because what you are saying it just factually wrong.

The Mavs are better with Luka...not worse as you claimed...and KP doesn't have "spots" to create his own offense. He's not good enough for that...and he's never done that...simple as that. And, he's getting plenty of shots...how many shots do you think an inefficient offensive player should be getting? You want KP taking 25 shots? Why? He's not efficient....not sure what you are thinking here.

KP not being able to operate from the post is such a big detriment to the team and it's weird that Carlisle would rather ignore the issue and encourage the weakness and allow it to grow further instead of addressing it and dealing with it. It's not even just being able to score from the post but having that one guy who is skilled enough to both score from the post and pass from it just as effectively changes the entire offensive gravity of a team.

[DMAVS41]

KP not being able to operate from the post is such a big detriment to the team and it's weird that Carlisle would rather ignore the issue and encourage the weakness and allow it to grow further instead of addressing it and dealing with it. It's not even just being able to score from the post but having that one guy who is skilled enough to both score from the post and pass from it just as effectively changes the entire offensive gravity of a team.

From what I've seen...I doubt he could ever get to a point where his efficiency is good enough to warrant posting up more....rather than just shooting 3's and attacking the rim off weak closeouts.

You'd much rather have Luka post more than KP at this point...

You guys have to understand that this team is really early on...they will make trades and add players over the next couple years at least.

A post player would be nice, but I don't think it is really necessary...what this team really needs is perhaps another guard that can create/shoot (this is why we all wanted Brogdon) like maybe a Bogdan...but the real need is another wing defender that you can throw at guys like Leonard/Lebron/Harden/Durant...etc.

DFS is great, but he needs help...and he's not really strong enough to guard some of those guys consistently.

Again, winning is really hard in the NBA...it is even harder when you don't have the best players.

Too many people act like winning titles is easy...

[90sgoat]

KP is elite from the high post/elbow.

Driving or shooting or passing.

That's his spot and the numbers prove it.

[AngelEyes]

Rick Carlisle had said it clearly - he don't need KP to post up, it is low efficiency play right now in this league, and he need him to spread the floor. With KP spreading the floor and Dallas been number one offensive team he is not going to change it soon. Theese are the facts - plain and simple. It could hurt KP scoring averages but if benefits the team who cares ?

KP is not Shaq to be honest and Carlisle knows it better than everyone.

Having the ability to post up and score is still a valuable skill in this league even if you aren't going to be posting up throughout the entirety of a game. Especially when it comes to the playoffs, when scoring is harder to come by, it's a nice skill to have. I never said I thought he should be posting up for the majority of a game, but to not have the ability to do it at all is an indictment on him as a player.

[AngelEyes]

Kinda hard to say he doesnt have star potential when he was an all star the last season he played.

If you mean the injury robbed him of something you dont think he gets back...ok. But to put a cap on his potential is odd to me.

Hes still a fairly unique talent.

I said he does not have star scoring potential, I still believe he has the potential to be star defensive player though. I think far too often he looks awful on offense because of the lack of versatility in his scoring prowess.

[NBASTATMAN]

He's Kevin Love with better defense.

WAY BETTER DEFENSE.. Without him on defense the MAVS start to struggle similar to the Lakers without AD

[DMAVS41]

KP is elite from the high post/elbow.

Driving or shooting or passing.

That's his spot and the numbers prove it.

He's a good spot up shooter from all over.

In the post? God no...he can't do anything.

But 3's are better...and I know this is crazy for someone living in the 90's still...a 3 point shot is worth more than a 2 point shot...and this thing called floor spacing really matters.

I know I know...crazy ideas.

[DMAVS41]

Having the ability to post up and score is still a valuable skill in this league even if you aren't going to be posting up throughout the entirety of a game. Especially when it comes to the playoffs, when scoring is harder to come by, it's a nice skill to have. I never said I thought he should be posting up for the majority of a game, but to not have the ability to do it at all is an indictment on him as a player.

Yes, and he can't do it right now and has never done it.

Maybe he can in the future, but right now he turns it over about as often as he gets a shot off.

It is terrible.

He's far better for the Mavs playing like he is.

[AngelEyes]

Yes, and he can't do it right now and has never done it.

Maybe he can in the future, but right now he turns it over about as often as he gets a shot off.

It is terrible.

He's far better for the Mavs playing like he is.

You're exactly right, he can't do it right now. When he posts up he does what you said he does, he bricks shots and turns the ball over. I understand he sustained a significant injury but his development has been disappointing, he hasn't gotten better.

[DMAVS41]

You're exactly right, he can't do it right now. When he posts up he does what you said he does, he bricks shots and turns the ball over. I understand he sustained a significant injury but his development has been disappointing, he hasn't gotten better.

Lets just give him time and see what he looks like next year.

I also think this team needs to add at least one more real piece before we can start making any judgments on the players.