20' Ingram vs. 90' and 91' Pippen

[3ball]

20' Ingram.... 25.2.. 7.0.. 3.9.. 40.7 threes.. 60.3.. 21.8 PER.. 0.144 ws.. 2.9 obpm
90' Pippen.... 16.5.. 6.7.. 5.4.. 25.0 threes.. 52.8.. 16.3 PER.. 0.087 ws.. 0.3 obpm
91' Pippen.... 17.8.. 7.3.. 6.2.. 30.9 threes.. 56.1.. 20.6 PER.. 0.179 ws.. 3.1 obpm


Looks like Pippen got a little closer to Ingram in 1991, so the Bulls could win..

And obviously, the Bulls would've beaten the Pistons easily in 1990 with Ingram instead of garbage Pippen..

Pippen cost the Bulls another 3-peat from 88-90', by sucking

Ultimately, Pippen's underwhelming stats as 2nd option forced MJ to carry the biggest scoring load ever.. Ingram's superior play would've allowed MJ to focus on other areas
.

[Real14]

Ingram will never be as good as bulls real mvp pippen, stop it.

[Shogon]

I love how stats don't matter... until they do... depending on your preference at the moment, of course.

[Real14]

I love how stats don't matter... until they do... depending on your preference at the moment, of course.
Of course.

[bigkingsfan]

Isiah Thomas
90 18.2 3.4 8.3 27% three 50% TS 17.3 per
91 18.4 3.8 9.4 31% three 51% TS 17.4 per

Garbage player that beat MJ three straight

[3ball]

Ingram will never be as good as bulls real mvp pippen, stop it.
he's already better than pippen ever was

and he doesn't need the triangle, which pippen was nothing without

but carry on acting like an 18/6 wing that can't shoot and only yields the #7 team defense is some kind of juggernaut - he wasn't, and was infact usually a joke to the other team

[Smoke117]

1-9

Also, nobody has ever cared about stats you put on losing teams, idiot. There are dozens upon dozens of players who scored more points than Pippen that never had close to his impact in their careers. You make it so easy to shit on you when you basically want to dumb down the game to a casual PPGZ.

[Smoke117]

he's already better than pippen ever was

and he doesn't need the triangle, which pippen was nothing without

but carry on acting like an 18/6 wing that can't shoot and only yields the #7 team defense is some kind of juggernaut - he wasn't, and was infact usually a joke to the other team

LOL that literally makes no sense. Scottie PIppen's best attribute as a scorer was the open court. He's a top 10 all tiem open court player. The Bulls triangle offense was a SLOW DOWN OFFENSE. As I've said a million times, Pippen and Drexler had very similar games as scorers, but Clyde was actually in up tempo offense's. You put Pippen in those offenses and he'd have been putting up those numbers. The Triangle was the WORST offense for someone of Pippen's natural talent. He made it work because he had one of the greatest BBIQ's of all time.

[Smoke117]

I love how stats don't matter... until they do... depending on your preference at the moment, of course.

lol that's why he's such a joke. If some stat raises up MJ he's all for it...two weeks later and that post raises up LeBron or a Jordan teammate...it doesn't mean anything. He's just a really bad joke at this point with his nonsense.

[RealSkipBayless]

3ball stays getting bodied. :oldlol:

[3ball]

Isiah Thomas
90 18.2 3.4 8.3 27% three 50% TS 17.3 per
91 18.4 3.8 9.4 31% three 51% TS 17.4 per

Garbage player that beat MJ three straight
those Pistons had 3x all-stars at every starting spot (Isiah, Dumars, Laimbeer, Aguirre, Rodman), while the bulls only had 1x all-star Pippen

in 1993, Isiah Thomas said the Bulls were really just Michael Jordan, and if you took MJ and Isiah away, the Pistons' cast would destroy the Bulls' cast (video here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6og_pOVi2w&t=01m10s))

So MJ overcame a tremendous talent deficit to beat the Pistons, just like he did the "big 4" Cavs in 1989... heck those Cavs were the #1 SRS team and #2 defense, yet MJ beat them with the #10 SRS team, the #9 defense, and only 15 on 39% from Pippen .. compare to 09' Lebron, who lost to the #4 SRS Magic despite far better help on both sides of the ball
..

[stalkerforlife]

Ingram SHOULD be an all-star this season.

But LeRig won't allow it.

[Smoke117]

Isiah Thomas
90 18.2 3.4 8.3 27% three 50% TS 17.3 per
91 18.4 3.8 9.4 31% three 51% TS 17.4 per

Garbage player that beat MJ three straight

But, but...Jordan played such during such a tough era! :roll: :roll:

https://media2.giphy.com/media/l0ErLeqamV3UOARsA/giphy.gif

[Rico2016]

Isiah Thomas
90 18.2 3.4 8.3 27% three 50% TS 17.3 per
91 18.4 3.8 9.4 31% three 51% TS 17.4 per

Garbage player that beat MJ three straight

Plus doesn't MJ have a losing record to IT?

[stalkerforlife]

those Pistons had 3x all-stars at every starting spot (Isiah, Dumars, Laimbeer, Aguirre, Rodman), while the bulls only had 1x all-star Pippen

in 1993, Isiah Thomas said the Bulls were really just Michael Jordan, and if you took MJ and Isiah away, the Pistons' cast would destroy the Bulls' cast (video here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6og_pOVi2w&t=01m10s))

So MJ overcame a tremendous talent deficit to beat the Pistons, just like he did the "big 4" Cavs in 1989... heck those Cavs were the #1 SRS team and #2 defense, yet MJ beat them with the #10 SRS team, the #9 defense, and only 15 on 39% from Pippen .. compare to 09' Lebron, who lost to the #4 SRS Magic despite far better help on both sides of the ball
..

Damn.

A psychological beat down. :roll:

Another one.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

He's a top 10 all tiem open court player.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Mr Exlax]

Dude you're a weirdo

[bigkingsfan]

those Pistons had 3x all-stars at every starting spot (Isiah, Dumars, Laimbeer, Aguirre, Rodman), while the bulls only had 1x all-star Pippen

in 1993, Isiah Thomas said the Bulls were really just Michael Jordan, and if you took MJ and Isiah away, the Pistons' cast would destroy the Bulls' cast (video here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6og_pOVi2w&t=01m10s))

So MJ overcame a tremendous talent deficit to beat the Pistons, just like he did the "big 4" Cavs in 1989... heck those Cavs were the #1 SRS team and #2 defense, yet MJ beat them with the #10 SRS team, the #9 defense, and only 15 on 39% from Pippen .. compare to 09' Lebron, who lost to the #4 SRS Magic despite far better help on both sides of the ball
..
Scottie was better than the other team first option and you're complaining about help. Isiah Thomas sucks.

[stalkerforlife]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

:lol

Bransvestites. :facepalm

[3ball]

.
MJ beat a better version of 07' and 11' Lebron in 1992:


Drexler 1992 PO:. 26.3.. 7.4.. 7.0.. 55.8 ts.. 120 ortg.. 6.2 obpm.. 2.1 vorp.. 22.8 PER
Lebron' 2011 PO:. 23.7.. 8.4.. 5.9.. 56.3 ts.. 113 ortg.. 5.4 obpm.. 2.3 vorp.. 23.7 PER
Lebron' 2007 PO:. 25.1.. 8.1.. 8.0.. 51.6 ts.. 109 ortg.. 5.4 obpm.. 2.4 vorp.. 23.9 PER

Drexler 1992 Finals:. 24.8.. 7.8.. 5.3.. 52.2 ts.. 3.0 tov.. 113 ortg.. 18.4 gmsc
Lebron' 2011 Finals:. 17.8.. 7.2.. 6.8.. 54.1 ts.. 4.0 tov.. 102 ortg.. 13.7 gmsc
Lebron' 2007 Finals:. 22.0.. 7.0.. 6.8.. 42.8 ts.. 5.8 tov.... 83 ortg.. 10.6 gmsc



LOL that literally makes no sense. Scottie PIppen's best attribute as a scorer was the open court. He's a top 10 all tiem open court player. The Bulls triangle offense was a SLOW DOWN OFFENSE. As I've said a million times, Pippen and Drexler had very similar games as scorers, but Clyde was actually in up tempo offense's. You put Pippen in those offenses and he'd have been putting up those numbers. The Triangle was the WORST offense for someone of Pippen's natural talent. He made it work because he had one of the greatest BBIQ's of all time.
and you've been wrong everytime you say it - drexler > 07' and 11' lebron (see the stats above).. Pippen is dimensions below those guys

pippen could barely get 20 ppg, let alone 26/8/5 on 54% that drexler got against Rodman in 1990, or the same vs MJ in 1992 (on 42% tho)

pippen basically can't score.. he literally isn't a scorer.. like you said, he got his shit in transition and needed the triangle to put him in the best spots in the halfcourt, just like the triangle did for any other role player

[Smoke117]

.
MJ beat a better version of 07' and 11' Lebron in 1992:


Drexler 1992 PO:. 26.3.. 7.4.. 7.0.. 55.8 ts.. 120 ortg.. 6.2 obpm.. 2.1 vorp.. 22.8 PER
Lebron' 2011 PO:. 23.7.. 8.4.. 5.9.. 56.3 ts.. 113 ortg.. 5.4 obpm.. 2.3 vorp.. 23.7 PER
Lebron' 2007 PO:. 25.1.. 8.1.. 8.0.. 51.6 ts.. 109 ortg.. 5.4 obpm.. 2.4 vorp.. 23.9 PER

Drexler 1992 Finals:. 24.8.. 7.8.. 5.3.. 52.2 ts.. 3.0 tov.. 113 ortg.. 18.4 gmsc
Lebron' 2011 Finals:. 17.8.. 7.2.. 6.8.. 54.1 ts.. 4.0 tov.. 102 ortg.. 13.7 gmsc
Lebron' 2007 Finals:. 22.0.. 7.0.. 6.8.. 42.8 ts.. 5.8 tov.... 83 ortg.. 10.6 gmsc



and you've been wrong everytime you say it - drexler > 07' and 11' lebron (see the stats above).. Pippen is dimensions below those guys

pippen could barely get 20 ppg, let alone 26/8/5 on 54% that drexler got against Rodman in 1990, or the same vs MJ in 1992 (on 42% tho)

pippen basically can't score.. he literally isn't a scorer.. like you said, he got his shit in transition and needed the triangle to put him in the best spots in the halfcourt, just like the triangle did for any other role player

The fact that you actually believe that while Pippen led the 94 bulls to 55 wins (4-6 when he was injured) is hilarious. He was also 2nd in BPM for that season after David Robinson. First team all nba, first all defensive team, all star MVP...just a roleplayer. :roll: :roll: :oldlol: :lol

[stalkerforlife]

.
MJ beat a better version of 07' and 11' Lebron in 1992:


Drexler 1992 PO:. 26.3.. 7.4.. 7.0.. 55.8 ts.. 120 ortg.. 6.2 obpm.. 2.1 vorp.. 22.8 PER
Lebron' 2011 PO:. 23.7.. 8.4.. 5.9.. 56.3 ts.. 113 ortg.. 5.4 obpm.. 2.3 vorp.. 23.7 PER
Lebron' 2007 PO:. 25.1.. 8.1.. 8.0.. 51.6 ts.. 109 ortg.. 5.4 obpm.. 2.4 vorp.. 23.9 PER

Drexler 1992 Finals:. 24.8.. 7.8.. 5.3.. 52.2 ts.. 3.0 tov.. 113 ortg.. 18.4 gmsc
Lebron' 2011 Finals:. 17.8.. 7.2.. 6.8.. 54.1 ts.. 4.0 tov.. 102 ortg.. 13.7 gmsc
Lebron' 2007 Finals:. 22.0.. 7.0.. 6.8.. 42.8 ts.. 5.8 tov.... 83 ortg.. 10.6 gmsc



and you've been wrong everytime you say it - drexler > 07' and 11' lebron (see the stats above).. Pippen is dimensions below those guys

pippen could barely get 20 ppg, let alone 26/8/5 on 54% that drexler got against Rodman in 1990, or the same vs MJ in 1992 (on 42% tho)

pippen basically can't score.. he literally isn't a scorer.. like you said, he got his shit in transition and needed the triangle to put him in the best spots in the halfcourt, just like the triangle did for any other role player

Wrecked.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

:lol

Bransvestites. :facepalm

TIL Pip is better in the open court that at least 10 of these players

Magic
Drexler
Dr J
Barkley
Russell
Robinson
MJ
Bran
Wade
KD
Giannis
Nash
Iverson
Karl
Nique
Grant Hill
Worthy
Payton
Kemp
Westbrook

:roll: :roll:

[3ball]

The fact that you actually believe that while Pippen led the 94 bulls to 55 wins (4-6 when he was injured) is hilarious. He was also 2nd in BPM for that season after David Robinson. First team all nba, first all defensive team, all star MVP...just a roleplayer. :roll: :roll: :oldlol: :lol
the 3-peat system/triangle led the bulls to 55 wins

anyone decent in pippen's place wins 50+

if you understood the game, you'd know that

pippen is the biggest system player ever... him or Draymond

and MJ is goat because he created the goat team by fitting goat scoring into that system
.

[Real14]

TIL Pip is better in the open court that at least 10 of these players

Magic
Drexler
Dr J
Barkley
Russell
Robinson
MJ
Bran
Wade
KD
Giannis
Nash
Iverson
Karl
Nique
Grant Hill
Worthy
Payton
Kemp
Westbrook

:roll: :roll:
Only people he's not better than is Bron and Russell.

[3ball]

Only people he's not better than is Bron and Russell.
preposterous but you're making my point

pippen got his shit in transition and needed the triangle to put him in the best spots in the halfcourt, just like the triangle did for any other role player

pippen was a transition guy and shit in the halfcourt.. thanks for pointing that out

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

(4-6 when he was injured) :lol
babyboi Pip chose to strategically sit out of the toughest part of the schedule and a brutal circus road trip

8/10 games on the road. 7 straight

in that span 5/6 losses were to

57 win Hawks, #4 defense, #12 offense, #4 SRS
63 win Sonics, #3 defense, #2 offense, #1 SRS
47 win Blazers, #12 defense, #10 offense, #12 SRS
58 win Rockets, NBA champs
55 win Spurs, #9 defense, #4 offense, #3 SRS

but we all know how Pip felt when it came to big games......out

"migraine, Scottie?":oldlol:

[sdot_thadon]

Op's an idiot who lives in a world where more fga attempts and a higher usg% are perfectly comparable when the agenda suits it.

[stalkerforlife]

babyboi Pip chose to strategically sit out of the toughest part of the schedule and a brutal circus road trip

8/10 games on the road. 7 straight

in that span 5/6 losses were to

57 win Hawks, #4 defense, #12 offense, #4 SRS
63 win Sonics, #3 defense, #2 offense, #1 SRS
47 win Blazers, #12 defense, #10 offense, #12 SRS
58 win Rockets, NBA champs
55 win Spurs, #9 defense, #4 offense, #3 SRS

but we all know how Pip felt when it came to big games......out

"migraine, Scottie?":oldlol:

Damn.

Exposed. :lol

[ImKobe]

2020 Ingram might be a top 10 player in the league. Pippen was a role player at the same age.

[Real14]

2020 Ingram might be a top 10 player in the league. Pippen was a role player at the same age.
Pippen was better.

[ImKobe]

Pippen was better.

Current Ingram is already a better scorer than any version of Scottie... close to 50% from the field and over 40% from 3 and above 85% from the FT line while scoring at a higher volume.

[Smoke117]

2020 Ingram might be a top 10 player in the league. Pippen was a role player at the same age.

LMFAO...I bet you actually believe this. :lol

[Trollsmasher]

the 3-peat system/triangle led the bulls to 55 wins

anyone decent in pippen's place wins 50+

if you understood the game, you'd know that

pippen is the biggest system player ever... him or Draymond

and MJ is goat because he created the goat team by fitting goat scoring into that system
.
so MJ is a system player:applause:

[3ball]

so MJ is a system player:applause:
he averaged 37 with no system in 1987... the he got 50 wins and the 3 seed with an 8 ppg sidekick in 88'... then he nearly carried a 6 seed to the Finals in 89'

but you're misunderstanding how it works - the best basketball uses a system, i.e. the only dynasties in the last 40 years (bulls, warriors, spurs, lakers)

so it should be every player's goal to achieve their max production within a system, to have the best team and play the best brand - but only mj could achieve goat stats in a system - no one else did or could, and that's why his teams won the most -

[ImKobe]

LMFAO...I bet you actually believe this. :lol

He could be for this season with KD, Curry, Irving and Thompson all injured. He might make the All-Star team out West. :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

He could be for this season with KD, Curry, Irving and Thompson all injured. He might make the All-Star team out West. :confusedshrug:
Just doing players who aren’t out for the year...

Harden
Giannis
LeBeast
Doncic
AD
Kawhi
Paul George
Embiid
Jokic
Jimmy Butler
Lillard
Gobert
KAT
Kyrie
Beal
Kyle Lowry
Siakam
Bam Adebayo
Kemba
CP3



Who the hell are you taking off that list for Ingram?

[3ball]

Just doing players who aren’t out for the year...

Harden
Giannis
LeBeast
Doncic
AD
Kawhi
Paul George
Embiid
Jokic
Jimmy Butler
Lillard
Gobert
KAT
Kyrie
Beal
Kyle Lowry
Siakam
Bam Adebayo
Kemba
CP3



Who the hell are you taking off that list for Ingram?
the all-star game has 24 players (12 in each conference)

you only listed 20... so it looks like there's 4 spots available for Ingram

and hell yeah I'd take Ingram over a lot of those guys, at least in a draft because his upside is among the best on that list other than Doncic

and the only reason he's miss the all-star game this year is due to team record.. he just needs another star to have a good team, just like any other star needs.. (of course lebron wouldn't work as a teammate, or doncic)

[RealSkipBayless]

[QUOTE=RRR3]Just doing players who aren

[3ball]

CP3, Lowry, maybe Kemba
why do you need to take anyone off?

he only listed 20 players from both conferences - the all-star game has 24 total spots, so there's room for ingram

[Smoke117]

why do you need to take anyone off?

he only listed 20 players from both conferences - the all-star game has 24 total spots, so there's room for ingram

Because guys on actual winning teams get put on the all star team. Westbrook, Mitchell, Middleton, Harris, Tatum/Brown, SGA will all make it before Ingram does for putting up numbers on a shitty team.

Back to what the, full of shit, imkobrick said: Ingram is possibly top 10. If he had a top 10 impact this team wouldn't be 11-23. It's not like they are completely devoid of talent. He's just not close to that level of player. Maybe he will be some day, but it's laughable to even suggest he is now. Imkobrick has completely jumped the shark with his posts. He used to just be an idiot in regards to Kobe and Bran, but now he's a dipshit all around.

[RealSkipBayless]

and the only reason he's miss the all-star game this year is due to team record.. he just needs another star to have a good team, just like any other star needs.. (of course lebron wouldn't work as a teammate, or doncic)
Jrue Holiday is an all-star.

We can just toss in Drummond, Mitchell, Dinwiddie etc. Ingram won't make it and never will.

[RRR3]

why do you need to take anyone off?

he only listed 20 players from both conferences - the all-star game has 24 total spots, so there's room for ingram
He said Ingram was top 10 you idiot.

[sdot_thadon]

why do you need to take anyone off?

he only listed 20 players from both conferences - the all-star game has 24 total spots, so there's room for ingram
umm because Ingram is a forward. aka front court player, he plays in the west.....meaning there are around 6 to 8 spots he'd possibly shoot for.

Ad
Lebron
Kawhi
Pg
Luka
Jokic
Towns
Gobert

Who out of that 8 would he take a spot from?

[3ball]

umm because Ingram is a forward. aka front court player, he plays in the west.....meaning there are around 6 to 8 spots he'd possibly shoot for.

Ad
Lebron
Kawhi
Pg
Luka
Jokic
Towns
Gobert

Who out of that 8 would he take a spot from?
gobert is a center, so i'd take him off.. and ingram can play SG too and make it as a guard

but again, all ingram needs is a sidekick like every other star gets

and i'm not talking about 1-time all-star Jrue - because Lebron couldn't do anything with 2-time Zydrunas either... i'm talking a real sidekick, like the 2nd and 3rd options Lebron had in the last 10 years or so
.

[Real14]

He said Ingram was top 10 you idiot.
Yea Ingram definitely is not top 10

[Lebron23]

Pippen would be kawhilite in today's NBA.

[ImKobe]

umm because Ingram is a forward. aka front court player, he plays in the west.....meaning there are around 6 to 8 spots he'd possibly shoot for.

Ad
Lebron
Kawhi
Pg
Luka
Jokic
Towns
Gobert

Who out of that 8 would he take a spot from?

I could see BI making it over Gobert. Steph and Klay are injured so we'll likely see 8 forwards in the ASG.



Just doing players who aren’t out for the year...

Harden
Giannis
Le3/9
Doncic
AD
Kawhi
Paul George
Embiid
--------------------------------


Jokic
Jimmy Butler
Lillard
Gobert
KAT
Ingram
Kemba


Kyrie
Beal
Kyle Lowry
Siakam
Bam Adebayo
CP3



Who the hell are you taking off that list for Ingram?

The first 8 are locks but after that it's a crapshoot. The guys highlighted in red aren't better than the players above them. Irving's missed like half the games so far so he can't be in the convo. Towns had a knee injury and the DNPs are piling up as well so he might fall out of the top 10 convo soon.


Like I said, he MIGHT be a top 10 player for this season based on his current production, that doesn't mean I actually think he's top 10, but you could make a case for him.

[Bronbron23]

20' Ingram.... 25.2.. 7.0.. 3.9.. 40.7 threes.. 60.3.. 21.8 PER.. 0.144 ws.. 2.9 obpm
90' Pippen.... 16.5.. 6.7.. 5.4.. 25.0 threes.. 52.8.. 16.3 PER.. 0.087 ws.. 0.3 obpm
91' Pippen.... 17.8.. 7.3.. 6.2.. 30.9 threes.. 56.1.. 20.6 PER.. 0.179 ws.. 3.1 obpm


Looks like Pippen got a little closer to Ingram in 1991, so the Bulls could win..

And obviously, the Bulls would've beaten the Pistons easily in 1990 with Ingram instead of garbage Pippen..

Pippen cost the Bulls another 3-peat from 88-90', by sucking

Ultimately, Pippen's underwhelming stats as 2nd option forced MJ to carry the biggest scoring load ever.. Ingram's superior play would've allowed MJ to focus on other areas
.
Those stat comparisons are irrelevant for 2 reasons:
1: the eras are very different. Its easier now because of the rules. You yourself have preached this so you cant now go ahead and use those same inflated stats to support your agenda.

2: Ingram is on a shit team. Scoring 20 plus on a winning championship contender is way different than scoring that on a losing team.

[Indian guy]

1991 Pippen

19th in PER
7th in VORP
6th in BPM
15th in WS/48
NBA Champion

2020 Ingram

88th in RAPM
22nd in PER
34th in VORP
50th in BPM
51st in WS/48
Leading bottom 5 team in the league


Ingram's not on 1991 Pippen's level and certainly doesn't have any argument for being a top 10 player in the league. His raw averages are NOT reflective of his actual game-impact. Alvin Gentry's stars tend to have inflated numbers because of his team's crazy up and down style of play.

[RealSkipBayless]

lmaooo ImKobe sayin Ingraham is better than Siakam. :oldlol:

[FKAri]

Cyborg 9050 Pippen destroys any version of Ingram from 2000 all the way through to 2081(RIP).

[RRR3]

I could see BI making it over Gobert. Steph and Klay are injured so we'll likely see 8 forwards in the ASG.




The first 8 are locks but after that it's a crapshoot. The guys highlighted in red aren't better than the players above them. Irving's missed like half the games so far so he can't be in the convo. Towns had a knee injury and the DNPs are piling up as well so he might fall out of the top 10 convo soon.


Like I said, he MIGHT be a top 10 player for this season based on his current production, that doesn't mean I actually think he's top 10, but you could make a case for him.
Stop trolling if you want me to respond seriously, Im14Be

[superduper]

Pippen would be kawhilite in today's NBA.

This comment perfectly encapsulates the low IQ of Bran stans :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

the all-star game has 24 players (12 in each conference)

you only listed 20... so it looks like there's 4 spots available for Ingram

and hell yeah I'd take Ingram over a lot of those guys, at least in a draft because his upside is among the best on that list other than Doncic

and the only reason he's miss the all-star game this year is due to team record.. he just needs another star to have a good team, just like any other star needs.. (of course lebron wouldn't work as a teammate, or doncic)
Won't matter if he makes it or not. You've already stated that 1x All-Stars aren't real All-Stars.

Unless he makes All-NBA, then he's just regarded as another avg. to good player.

[ImKobe]

lmaooo ImKobe sayin Ingraham is better than Siakam. :oldlol:

Well, he clearly is statistically. I thought Lebron fans loved stats but I guess not in this case...

[ImKobe]

Stop trolling if you want me to respond seriously, Im14Be

How am I trolling, exactly?

I didn't say that he was top 10, just that he might be based on all the injuries and his own production so far.

[ImKobe]

1991 Pippen

19th in PER
7th in VORP
6th in BPM
15th in WS/48
NBA Champion

2020 Ingram

88th in RAPM
22nd in PER
34th in VORP
50th in BPM
51st in WS/48
Leading bottom 5 team in the league


Ingram's not on 1991 Pippen's level and certainly doesn't have any argument for being a top 10 player in the league. His raw averages are NOT reflective of his actual game-impact. Alvin Gentry's stars tend to have inflated numbers because of his team's crazy up and down style of play.

RAPM is such a mis-leading stat, you wouldn't say that Paul Milsap was the 8th best player in the league, or Alex Caruso 17th. Most of the stats you listed are heavily affected by TEAM production, shows nothing about individual play really.

1991 Pippen

18/7/6 in 36.8 mpg, 56%TS

2019 Ingram

25/7/4 in 34.1 mpg, 61%TS

1991 Pippen was 25 BTW, Ingram is just 22.

[RRR3]

How am I trolling, exactly?

I didn't say that he was top 10, just that he might be based on all the injuries and his own production so far.
You know what you’re doing. Stop trolling.

[ImKobe]

You know what you did.

I listed a bunch of guys with him who all have great arguments for top 10. The top 8 are a lock, you can argue about the rest all you want. At worst he's in the top 20 for this season.

[Turbo Slayer]

I listed a bunch of guys with him who all have great arguments for top 10. The top 8 are a lock, you can argue about the rest all you want. At worst he's in the top 20 for this season.
Ingram is cool. Dont know why people hate on him. :bowdown:

[AirBonner]

Ingraham has pre-Pippen MJ level impact :oldlol:

[plowking]

Baffling that anyone takes 3ball seriously considering the lack of consistency in his argument.

You lose a debate instantly based on that.

[LeCroix]

he's already better than pippen ever was

and he doesn't need the triangle, which pippen was nothing without

but carry on acting like an 18/6 wing that can't shoot and only yields the #7 team defense is some kind of juggernaut - he wasn't, and was infact usually a joke to the other team

this man said Ingram is already better than Pip ever was ...

[LeCroix]

1991 Pippen

19th in PER
7th in VORP
6th in BPM
15th in WS/48
NBA Champion

2020 Ingram

88th in RAPM
22nd in PER
34th in VORP
50th in BPM
51st in WS/48
Leading bottom 5 team in the league


Ingram's not on 1991 Pippen's level and certainly doesn't have any argument for being a top 10 player in the league. His raw averages are NOT reflective of his actual game-impact. Alvin Gentry's stars tend to have inflated numbers because of his team's crazy up and down style of play.

Wrekt

[ImKobe]

Ingram is cool. Dont know why people hate on him. :bowdown:

We obviously know why. Lebron nutriders can't have him flourishing somewhere else when their guy missed the Playoffs with him.

[SouBeachTalents]

We obviously know why. Lebron nutriders can't have him flourishing somewhere else when their guy missed the Playoffs with him.
And we obviously know why you or OP remotely care about Ingram. Y'all motivations are literally no different, just on the opposite end of the spectrum

[ImKobe]

And we obviously know why you or OP remotely care about Ingram. Y'all motivations are literally no different, just on the opposite end of the spectrum

Ingram's a former Laker and I liked his game and defended him for years, of course I'd root for him in NO.

[Roundball_Rock]

The same people who go on and on about how tough defenses were in the 90's and how soft they are today never seem to make those points when Pippen is involved. :oldlol: Pippen, evidently, is the only 90's star whose scoring today would be exactly what it was back then. Meanwhile, others supposedly would see their production go from 33 PPG to 45 or 50.



1991 Pippen

19th in PER
7th in VORP
6th in BPM
15th in WS/48
NBA Champion

2020 Ingram

88th in RAPM
22nd in PER
34th in VORP
50th in BPM
51st in WS/48
Leading bottom 5 team in the league


Ingram's not on 1991 Pippen's level and certainly doesn't have any argument for being a top 10 player in the league. His raw averages are NOT reflective of his actual game-impact. Alvin Gentry's stars tend to have inflated numbers because of his team's crazy up and down style of play.

:applause:

[Bronbron23]

20' Ingram.... 25.2.. 7.0.. 3.9.. 40.7 threes.. 60.3.. 21.8 PER.. 0.144 ws.. 2.9 obpm
90' Pippen.... 16.5.. 6.7.. 5.4.. 25.0 threes.. 52.8.. 16.3 PER.. 0.087 ws.. 0.3 obpm
91' Pippen.... 17.8.. 7.3.. 6.2.. 30.9 threes.. 56.1.. 20.6 PER.. 0.179 ws.. 3.1 obpm


Looks like Pippen got a little closer to Ingram in 1991, so the Bulls could win..

And obviously, the Bulls would've beaten the Pistons easily in 1990 with Ingram instead of garbage Pippen..

Pippen cost the Bulls another 3-peat from 88-90', by sucking

Ultimately, Pippen's underwhelming stats as 2nd option forced MJ to carry the biggest scoring load ever.. Ingram's superior play would've allowed MJ to focus on other areas
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dude just stop with this shit. Your the first one to dismiss lebrons stats in mj debates but for some reason try to use it when discussing pip and Ingram. Just watch Ingram play. His shot selection is trash. Half the time its not in the flow of the offence. Knowing when to shoot and when to pass just dosnt come natural to everyone. Ingram is one of those. Pip on the other hand was great at it. Phil and mj obviously taught him some of that but either way despite the stats pip wws much better offensively than Ingram. Way better defensively too. Give pip some respect for once.

[Whoah10115]

I just don't know why a Michael Jordan fan is so thick headed that he goes out of his way to get idiots to rail against Michael.

You are literally more responsible to the swollen infestation of stupidity all over this front page...more than LeBron's dick.