Is Obama Right About The Democrats? Are They Veering Too Far Left?

[Im Still Ballin]

I think he is right. It's an easy DJT sweep if Bernie gets the nomination.

Related Reading -- [URL="https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/16/obama-warns-democrats-against-going-too-far-left.html"]Obama warns Democrats against going too far left:

[BigKobeFan]

Well obama is a crook and an opportunist.

[FultzNationRISE]

”This idea of purity and you're never compromised and you're always politically woke, and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly," Obama said.


Holy shit :roll:


Obama himself actually called out woke tards.

[Patrick Chewing]

I mean if wanting to kill unborn babies, taking your guns, and having no borders isn't going to wake some people up, then I don't know what will.

[egokiller]

I mean if wanting to kill unborn babies, taking your guns, and having no borders isn't going to wake some people up, then I don't know what will.

I'm all for abortion if the person was raped. If not raped, then have the child.

"but...but.. but.. have the child if raped and then maybe give it away?"
^
Spoken like a fvcking moron.

What I am not for is these crazy bible thumpers burning down abortion clinics resulting in others dying. How about they burn down the church these criminals attend?

As for guns, we need to arm ourselves. And that includes fully automatics, but we need policies so that those who are about to shoot up a school can't gain access to them. Good luck with that.

Boarders? We need to do a much better job of controlling illegal immigration. 100%.

[bladefd]

One thing I completely disagree with Obama on is him thinking universal healthcare is too far left. Truth is it's not.


I mean if wanting to kill unborn babies, taking your guns, and having no borders isn't going to wake some people up, then I don't know what will.

Who called for any of those 3 things?? Imagining things that aren't there again, pattychew?

[Draz]

I'm ALL for finding middle ground and eliminating things to find common ground. What I would never trade for is not finding a solution to DACA.

These are people that pay taxes and contribute to less than 1% of their population of crimes or low level misdemeanors. There needs to be a pathway to citizenship for them.

As for the other illegals not contributing to society and don't have degrees like DACA, who commit crimes, there needs to be a hard stance on them. We need to protect our smart undocumented foreign born residents that reside as neighbors and contribute to our society. Not send them away after they've excelled in our society to be our competition.

Trump has backed them up but hasn't pulled the strings to protect and conserve them.

This election will be purely based on DACA and that platform alone. Nothing else.

[Patrick Chewing]

One thing I completely disagree with Obama on is him thinking universal healthcare is too far left. Truth is it's not.



Who called for any of those 3 things?? Imagining things that aren't there again, pattychew?


You blindly hate Trump, but yet you have no idea what your party truly stands for. There are several candidates on the Democratic ticket that have campaigned on those ideas.

[tpols]

Obama *****'ed out on the public option.

He's right in his current message... but.. he flaked out.

[CelticBaller]

One thing I completely disagree with Obama on is him thinking universal healthcare is too far left. Truth is it's not.



Who called for any of those 3 things?? Imagining things that aren't there again, pattychew?
except what the US politicians are proposing(eliminating private insurance) goes against the idea of liberalism(freedom to choose)

[falc39]

Democrat candidates are being forced to go to the left because Republicans have been moving to the left. Real conservatism is dead.

[MaxFly]

”This idea of purity and you're never compromised and you're always politically woke, and all that stuff, you should get over that quickly," Obama said.

He's right.


One thing I completely disagree with Obama on is him thinking universal healthcare is too far left. Truth is it's not.

I don't think he's saying it's too far left as much as he's saying that it's too acute a left turn right now given the current political atmosphere. We saw how difficult it was to get the ACA passed and instituted, and we continue to see attempts to gut it... and the basis of the ACA originated with Republicans. Quite frankly, there's no way we're getting M4A in the next few years given the current makeup of the Senate... and there are moderate Democrats who aren't there yet that will need to be won over. Elizabeth Warren took a dive in the polls once she released her plan and struggled to explain it. Bernie Sanders has taken notice and continues to avoid talking about details around his plan and how it will be paid for.

[MaxFly]

Democrat candidates are being forced to go to the left because Republicans have been moving to the left. Real conservatism is dead.

Which policies have Republicans moved to the left on?

[diamenz]

Which policies have Republicans moved to the left on?

i think he's referring to the right's rampant spending. disregard for the debt, balancing budgets, etc.


Elizabeth Warren took a dive in the polls once she released her plan and struggled to explain it.

i don't think that's accurate. it was more of a trust issue. she was beating around the bush about middle class taxes going up and voters weren't having that bullshit. bernie is currently surging and he's basically the champion on m4a. he just tells u that ya - you're gonna pay more in taxes.

[falc39]

Which policies have Republicans moved to the left on?

Spending & exploding the debt
Supporting big government over small/limited government
Supporting more gun control
Supporting managed trade over free trade

How come you don

[falc39]

i think he's referring to the right's rampant spending. disregard for the debt, balancing budgets, etc.

Yup. Thanks, I should have been more specific.

[Norcaliblunt]

I don

[FultzNationRISE]

[QUOTE=falc39]Spending & exploding the debt
Supporting big government over small/limited government
Supporting more gun control
Supporting managed trade over free trade

[B]How come you don

[FultzNationRISE]

I don’t know who’s worse Obama or Trump.



And that’s perfectly okay. Youre someone who should really be more of a listener than a talker anyway, and theres nothing wrong with that. So continue to mull these things over, quietly and to yourself, and we’ll let you know if youre needed for any input on something in the future.

[Shogon]

Spending & exploding the debt
Supporting big government over small/limited government
Supporting more gun control
Supporting managed trade over free trade

How come you don’t hear about the tea party and actual conservatism anymore? Because Trump and fellow republicans effectively killed it.

You don't hear about the tea party and actual conservatism any longer because the federal government printed their way out of the 2008 financial crisis for the time being (the payback is still in the pipeline, they just delayed it) so people got fat and happy again.

Once things go to shit financially again, and they will, the 'tea party' will return.

It has absolutely nothing to do with Trump or other republicans. It's the climate of the country atm

Nobody cares about financial responsibility and accountability at the moment. They will.

[FultzNationRISE]

Also, the republican party HAS moved to the left in terms of social issues. Theyve abandoned the gay marriage fight. They stopped harping on issues of forced integration years ago. There are also more anti-war voices in the party than ever before. Doesnt mean the base as a whole feels differently on all these things, but in terms of political emphasis it’s much more muted.


Compromise is unacceptable in Washington, and frankly among hipsters who need a contrived sense of contrarianism and wokeness to feel socially distinguished. So as conservatives have gradually moved left on some issues, the left has moved even father to the left. They need a meaningful separation as a way of creating a social identity marker for themselves.

You will always have people who seek extremism as a means of personal identity and fulfillment. People on the left are factually, STATISTICALLY more likely to suffer from low self image, and are more prone to fringe politics.

[FultzNationRISE]

Also, it’s worth pointing out that BLADES OF FREEDOM is a very authentically-conservative initiative.

According to my business records, falc39 has not been a patron.

Neither has Shogon.

:confusedshrug:


Hey, anyone can talk on the internet.

Risk and sacrifice, two important ingredients for accomplishing anything....

Well, far fewer people are actually about that.

[BigKobeFan]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]Also, the republican party HAS moved to the left in terms of social issues. Theyve abandoned the gay marriage fight. They stopped harping on issues of forced integration years ago. There are also more anti-war voices in the party than ever before. Doesnt mean the base as a whole feels differently on all these things, but in terms of political emphasis it

[Hawker]

Also, the republican party HAS moved to the left in terms of social issues. Theyve abandoned the gay marriage fight. They stopped harping on issues of forced integration years ago. There are also more anti-war voices in the party than ever before. Doesnt mean the base as a whole feels differently on all these things, but in terms of political emphasis it’s much more muted.


Compromise is unacceptable in Washington, and frankly among hipsters who need a contrived sense of contrarianism and wokeness to feel socially distinguished. So as conservatives have gradually moved left on some issues, the left has moved even father to the left. They need a meaningful separation as a way of creating a social identity marker for themselves.

You will always have people who seek extremism as a means of personal identity and fulfillment. People on the left are factually, STATISTICALLY more likely to suffer from low self image, and are more prone to fringe politics.

This is true - they no longer parade around their religious virtues like they have in the past. A lot of young republicans as well aren't really hardcore religious but believe in traditional values.

It's kinda funny that people want to continue to peg republicans like they are still the party of Bush christians to try to come up with some kind of "hypocrite" talking point. They hold zero cultural power these days.

The left/liberal wing has really become the new dominant religion and proclaiming virtues and moral standards.

[falc39]

You don't hear about the tea party and actual conservatism any longer because the federal government printed their way out of the 2008 financial crisis for the time being (the payback is still in the pipeline, they just delayed it) so people got fat and happy again.

Once things go to shit financially again, and they will, the 'tea party' will return.

It has absolutely nothing to do with Trump or other republicans. It's the climate of the country atm

Nobody cares about financial responsibility and accountability at the moment. They will.

Yes and no. Economically I agree with what you said. We haven't changed anything for more than a decade (Trump has blame in this too). We got QE4 going on right now for christ sake. It does have some to do with Trump. He ran on a tea party/drain the swamp platform. With another let down as big as this, you wont see any serious tea party for a while. Even during the next fiscal disaster. They will probably be a laughing stock as the country finally accepts hardcore left policies.

[falc39]

:biggums:

I dont remember Reagan, Bush I or Bush II being small-government spendthrifts.

Bush II probably did so much damage to this country that I doubt I will ever see this country recover it in my lifetime (and I'm not old).

Again though, big difference between real conservatism and people who talk about it and use it with a Republican in their name. You can say the tea party was a response to Bush II disastrous policies.

[Jasper]

Well obama is a crook and an opportunist.
and Trump isn't ???????????

:banghead:

[Jasper]

Bush II probably did so much damage to this country that I doubt I will ever see this country recover it in my lifetime (and I'm not old).

Again though, big difference between real conservatism and people who talk about it and use it with a Republican in their name. You can say the tea party was a response to Bush II disastrous policies.
exactly -

he took our GNP out of commission, baby boomer retirement funds to zilch and
people losing thousands of homes.
I am shocked someone did not hang the dude.

Our country is soft as all shIt.

Obama brought the country back to stability , and Trump is riding his coat tails.

[MaxFly]

Spending & exploding the debt
Supporting big government over small/limited government
Supporting more gun control
Supporting managed trade over free trade

How come you don’t hear about the tea party and actual conservatism anymore? Because Trump and fellow republicans effectively killed it.

Republicans have been all over the map on those issue for decades.

For instance, Republicans have generally only cared about the debt and spending when there is a Democrat in the White House. They have consistently increased spending and the debt during Republican Presidencies going back to Eisenhower if not even further.

They have long supported "big government"... but again, generally when they are in control. Nixon, for instance, created the EPA. Republicans railed against the auto bailouts of 2009, but they now either support or have been quiet about the farm bailouts we've seen over the last two years. It's not a shift... they support big government, spending, and expanded government action when it is to their advantage and consistent with their interests. Again, you have the CIA torture program and PRISM.

Regarding gun control, in 1967, Reagan, as Governor of California, signed a bill proposed by Republicans into law to prohibit the public carrying of loaded firearms in California. He said he saw "no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” He called gun possession a “ridiculous way to solve problems that have to be solved among people of goodwill." Reagan supported the Brady Bill and even wrote an Op-Ed about his support. The NRA used to help draft gun control legislation. They were involved in the 1934 National Firearms Act and the 1938 Federal Firearms Act.

The tea party faded away because their raison d'etre is no longer in office. It's a symptom of hypocrisy... not a change in conviction. Had McCain taken the White House in 2009 and instituted the exact same policies Obama did in attempting to lift us out of the recession, few on the right would have complained. Incidentally, some on the left would have complained about the very same things they championed Obama for. Just remember, Republicans voted for TARP in 2008 before they suddenly turned against it when Obama became President.

[DoctorP]

Obama sucks!! Hes a bot!!!! :(