BREAKING *welp* WW3 bout to start

[andgar923]

Iranian leader assassinated in an Iraq airport via a missile.

Trump just started WW3

[egokiller]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/02/world/middleeast/iraq-baghdad-airport-attack.html

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight. You'll live longer. :applause:

[andgar923]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/02/world/middleeast/iraq-baghdad-airport-attack.html

Don't bring a knife to a gun fight. You'll live longer. :applause:

It's nice to pound your chest, but this will bring about terrible consequences. I get that he's evil, I get that we need to get payback of sorts. But world diplomacy doesn't work like it does on Santa Fe and Gage (my old neighbourhood).

Trump can pound his chest but he's leading this world into a dark place with serious deadly consequences. Our allies will not be fond of this and may not whole heartedly support this.

Our troops and our diplomats around the world will pay the consequences while Trump is out golfing.

[CelticBaller]

Oh ****ing great

[egokiller]

What the allies should do is support a US takeover of the middle east. This eliminates terrorism, provides a nice surplus of oil, and we incorporate western thinking and ideals over there. It's a proven formula because look at all the illegals coming to the states and assimilating with ear to ear grins. It's like gentrifying a ghetto, only on a bigger scale. Allies win. We win. Everyone wins except terrorists and their supporters. :cheers:

[nathanjizzle]

remind me why we are there anyway?

[Kblaze8855]

I feel like war isn

[Kblaze8855]

What the allies should do is support a US takeover of the middle east. This eliminates terrorism, provides a nice surplus of oil, and we incorporate western thinking and ideals over there. It's a proven formula because look at all the illegals coming to the states and assimilating with ear to ear grins. It's like gentrifying a ghetto, only on a bigger scale. Allies win. We win. Everyone wins except terrorists and their supporters. :cheers:



The day an American flag is over Mecca we would have suicide bombers all over the country even the NSA had no clue about.

[egokiller]

remind me why we are there anyway?

https://www.hoover.org/research/why-america-cant-quit-middle-east

[Hawker]

Not in favor of this but you should at least mention the US embassy attack as well.

[qrich]

Agreed... damn Trump, he should've just let them take over the embassy and kill Americans like his predecessor.

Shouldn't even be in the ME to begin with, but weird how that wasn't said by Andy and his TDS buds pre Trump

[egokiller]

The day an American flag is over Mecca we would have suicide bombers all over the country even the NSA had no clue about.

Time plans change and change comes with time
Throughout these years the US learned to put in the grind
Time after time
Now with attitude of actually givin a ****
Born with no luck, we refuse to stay stuck
Now make the bucks
We'll do what we have to, we'll do what we should
Our rise back to the top will be no surprise cause they knew dat we would
make it, oh, the chance we'll have to take it
Fake it, never
Time for Mecca take over, the storm we will weather.

[FultzNationRISE]

Time plans change and change comes with time
Throughout these years the US learned to put in the grind
Time after time
Now with attitude of actually givin a ****
Born with no luck, we refuse to stay stuck
Now make the bucks
We'll do what we have to, we'll do what we should
Our rise back to the top will be no surprise cause they knew dat we would
make it, oh, the chance we'll have to take it
Fake it, never
Time for Mecca take over, the storm we will weather.


If there ever was a mutha ****a down for his crown
It had to be he
the B-I-G
T-R-U-M to the P.

[Patrick Chewing]

World War 3.....:oldlol:

[andgar923]

Iran will attack us in every way.

They

[CelticBaller]

Iran will attack us in every way.

They’ll attack our embassies, our troops, our diplomats, they’ll wage in cyber warfare, they’ll attack us in our homeland.

The scary part is they’ll use this to rally Muslims around the world and encourage them to attack us. Even western allies will have a hard time backing us.

The idiot has no plans. He is dangerous and gives no f*cks about anyone but himself.
If The west doesn’t back the US they might as well kiss their free army goodbye


Iran knows they can’t outright declare war on the US. That would be like committing suicide

[qrich]

[QUOTE=andgar923]Iran will attack us in every way.

They

[andgar923]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]If The west doesn

[CelticBaller]

Iran got nothing to lose? What about sovereignty and their ****ing land?

So you realize Iran has been this whole time trying to push into Iraq to take more land? Iran is desperate for expansion and you know what an US war does to them? It eliminates them from the face of the earth

Get real. There’s a reason why they use terrorist groups to attack us. They fear us

[egokiller]

If there ever was a mutha ****a down for his crown
It had to be he
the B-I-G
T-R-U-M to the P.

:lol

[egokiller]

Iran will attack us in every way.

They’ll attack our embassies, our troops, our diplomats, they’ll wage in cyber warfare, they’ll attack us in our homeland.

The scary part is they’ll use this to rally Muslims around the world and encourage them to attack us. Even western allies will have a hard time backing us.

The idiot has no plans. He is dangerous and gives no f*cks about anyone but himself.

Do you know who hates Muslim terrorists more than Americans? Muslims who aren't terrorists. A war with Iran would be quick. Like a fart passing in the wind.

[Patrick Chewing]

Don't listen to paranoid Andy Garcia over there. Dude is unhinged.


No repeat of Benghazi under Trump's watch. The Iranian people want regime change. Anyone who doesn't know that is a dumbass. The Iranians are begging for our bombs.

#FreeIran

[falc39]

Do you know who hates Muslim terrorists more than Americans? Muslims who aren't terrorists. A war with Iran would be quick. Like a fart passing in the wind.

Right, like the failure of a war Bush threw us in?

[Shogon]

So Trump is a puppet of Putin/Russia or he

[Cleverness]

https://www.defense.gov/Newsroom/Releases/Release/Article/2049534/statement-by-the-department-of-defense/

[QUOTE]IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Statement by the Department of Defense
JAN. 2, 2020
At the direction of the President, the U.S. military has taken decisive defensive action to protect U.S. personnel abroad by killing Qasem Soleimani, the head of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Quds Force, a U.S.-designated Foreign Terrorist Organization.

General Soleimani was actively developing plans to attack American diplomats and service members in Iraq and throughout the region. General Soleimani and his Quds Force were responsible for the deaths of hundreds of American and coalition service members and the wounding of thousands more. He had orchestrated attacks on coalition bases in Iraq over the last several months

[sammichoffate]

Don't listen to paranoid Andy Garcia over there. Dude is unhinged.


No repeat of Benghazi under Trump's watch. The Iranian people want regime change. Anyone who doesn't know that is a dumbass. The Iranians are begging for our bombs.

#FreeIranDo you even think before you type? Holy shit, the neverending war mongering is real :biggums:

[sammichoffate]

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/136172519307751425

Can't make this shit up :roll:

[PickernRoller]

Interesting times we live in. A nation of 80 million, can only, ultimately, be subdued by nukes. Hopefully it doesn't get anywhere near that. Otherwise racing to the bomb would become the hottest fashion item worldwide.

We'll see.

[Patrick Chewing]

Do you even think before you type? Holy shit, the neverending war mongering is real :biggums:


https://i.ibb.co/syC5R5y/451-C05-C9-6-D9-D-46-B1-B974-FC11-ECA45-AAF.jpg

Liberalism = Mental Disorder

[Raymone]

[QUOTE=andgar923]Iran will attack us in every way... they

[Long Duck Dong]

Iran's supreme leader literally tells Trump the US won't do anything about the embassy attacks after hearing Trump's outrage over it. 2 days later the US kills his top General. When will these idiots ever learn. :oldlol:

This general already planned a murder on US soil of a foreign ambassador. Obama sanctioned them over it. Trump actually brought justice.

Iran dared the US to do something and they got punched in the nose.

[bladefd]

Isn't it historically true that a first term president who goes to war usually repeats? Maybe that's why Trump wants a war.. He knows the Ukraine/Biden investigation being announced backfired on him.

[bladefd]

Iran got nothing to lose? What about sovereignty and their ****ing land?

So you realize Iran has been this whole time trying to push into Iraq to take more land? Iran is desperate for expansion and you know what an US war does to them? It eliminates them from the face of the earth

Get real. There’s a reason why they use terrorist groups to attack us. They fear us

They have been preparing for a war with the US since early 80s. They have built up their military with the US in mind. Their country is also mountainous, making a ground assault much more tougher than say Iraq, which is much flatter until you get to the Northern region. Huge chunk of Iraq is a valley around Tigris and Euphrates (sp). Iran will not be a walk in the park.

Be careful what you wish for. Many people will die on both sides. Iran will fight dirty and not let up as quickly as Iraq did.

[bladefd]

[QUOTE=Shogon]So Trump is a puppet of Putin/Russia or he

[iamgine]

In the end, it's in Iranian's leaders best interest to not escalate this further. They may continue with verbal threats, cyber warfare or funding terrorist groups but a classic war will end in their demise very very quickly.

[coin24]

Another alpha move from trump:cheers:

[TheMan]

Iranian leader assassinated in an Iraq airport via a missile.

Trump just started WW3
:oldlol:

[MaxFly]

A war with Iran is not in our best interest and will throw the region into further disarray. A war is certainly not in Iran's best interest, though they have been gearing up for a confrontation with us for decades. I'm hoping cooler heads will prevail.

Incidentally, as I and I believe other posters have pointed out prior, this championing of the draw down of troops in the Middle East was and is a facade.

[Real Men Wear Green]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I feel like war isn

[CelticBaller]

They have been preparing for a war with the US since early 80s. They have built up their military with the US in mind. Their country is also mountainous, making a ground assault much more tougher than say Iraq, which is much flatter until you get to the Northern region. Huge chunk of Iraq is a valley around Tigris and Euphrates (sp). Iran will not be a walk in the park.

Be careful what you wish for. Many people will die on both sides. Iran will fight dirty and not let up as quickly as Iraq did.
Those valleys aren

[scuzzy]

"welp"


:roll:

[LAmbruh]

https://i.postimg.cc/P5Yz2z93/jjijiji.png (https://postimages.org/)

[Bosnian Sajo]

What the allies should do is support a US takeover of the middle east. This eliminates terrorism, provides a nice surplus of oil, and we incorporate western thinking and ideals over there. It's a proven formula because look at all the illegals coming to the states and assimilating with ear to ear grins. It's like gentrifying a ghetto, only on a bigger scale. Allies win. We win. Everyone wins except terrorists and their supporters. :cheers:


You are an absolute fool if you believe the US can successfully takeover all of the middle east..the fact that you'd even think of this as a good idea shows what an idiot you are.


And even IF they were to take over, that would only breed more hatred...not eliminate it. You're a fool, bro.

[Bosnian Sajo]

[QUOTE=andgar923]Iran will attack us in every way.

They

[egokiller]

You are an absolute fool if you believe the US can successfully takeover all of the middle east..the fact that you'd even think of this as a good idea shows what an idiot you are.


And even IF they were to take over, that would only breed more hatred...not eliminate it. You're a fool, bro.

You really do underestimate what the US is capable of. If we want to cease Iran's existence, we can. There are 10 million people from the middle east living in america that are very happy. Those people there are begging for us to show them the way. They are tired of the terrorists that live among them. We will come in, prevail, and help our ally Israel do what is necessary. The place is in a state of turmoil and when we capture the oil, everything will be so less confusing with the uncertainty removed. :applause:

[Bosnian Sajo]

You really do underestimate what the US is capable of. If we want to cease Iran's existence, we can. There are 10 million people from the middle east living in america that are very happy. Those people there are begging for us to show them the way. They are tired of the terrorists that live among them. We will come in, prevail, and help our ally Israel do what is necessary. The place is in a state of turmoil and when we capture the oil, everything will be so less confusing with the uncertainty removed. :applause:


I can't tell with you tbh, are you being sarcastic? Ironic?

[Bosnian Sajo]

https://i.postimg.cc/P5Yz2z93/jjijiji.png (https://postimages.org/)

:applause:

At least you're sane in a real world setting outside of basketball, I'll give you that man.

[egokiller]

I can't tell with you tbh, are you being sarcastic? Ironic?

:roll:

Just stirring the pot.

[Patrick Chewing]

You are an absolute fool if you believe the US can successfully takeover all of the middle east..the fact that you'd even think of this as a good idea shows what an idiot you are.


And even IF they were to take over, that would only breed more hatred...not eliminate it. You're a fool, bro.


Those people are still wearing sandals and herding goats over there. Those are some of the poorest and corrupt nations over there. A takeover would be easy.

However, it would be unnecessary. Once the Iranian people kick the Mullahs out of power, everything will be good.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Those people are still wearing sandals and herding goats over there.


:confusedshrug:


Iran alone has one of the largest and strongest armies in the world, you are aware of that right? Don't they also have the Russians and Chinese on their side?



Why would anyone want this is beyond me. This isn't a sporting event.

[egokiller]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGNqPRtw9O8

[ItsMillerTime]

https://i.ibb.co/syC5R5y/451-C05-C9-6-D9-D-46-B1-B974-FC11-ECA45-AAF.jpg

Liberalism = Mental Disorder

Of course a mouth breather like Chewing validates his war mongering and hate by citing a random Twitter account :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

:confusedshrug:


Iran alone has one of the largest and strongest armies in the world, you are aware of that right? Don't they also have the Russians and Chinese on their side?



Why would anyone want this is beyond me. This isn't a sporting event.


Is there actually a belief out there that there is a military on this planet that can match our own? Whether Iran has a strong military or not, that is a tiny country going up against a giant if it ever got to that point. There is nothing Iran can do to us that we wouldn't do to them a thousand times over.

But the Iranian people are good people. The youth over there wants a revolution. Maybe we're just paving the way for them to take the power back.


Take The Power Back (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqkMsXcHQYg)

[egokiller]

One major source of conflict in the Middle East is the divisive nature between the two main sects of Islam: Sunni and Shi'a. Though these two sects agree on the fundamentals of Islam and the teachings of the Qur'an, they are in conflict about who would lead the Muslim community after the Prophet Muhammad's death. Not to worry. Big brother US is on the scene and will sort all this out and end the conflict. :applause:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Is there actually a belief out there that there is a military on this planet that can match our own?


Are you serious? Of course.


There is no denying that we have the strongest military, but in no way is it unstoppable. Look no further than Vietnam.

[andgar923]

The logic to attack is stupid and extremely idiotic.

Pompeo stated the attack was to prevent further attacks. Iran has now vowed revenge. The dooms day clock just forwarded its time. Experts all over the world are in panic mode. White House insiders are going nuts. Trump essentially declared war without Congress approval.

This was all planned.
We were never gonna leave the Middle East.

As usual, this all leads to Putin.

Oil prices will go up around the world, Russia will be the supplier. I made a post about this a while back.

is it a shocker that as soon as Putin and Trump met in private we have these incidents unfold?

[Bosnian Sajo]

Sunni and Shi'a. Though these two sects agree on the fundamentals of Islam and the teachings of the Qur'an,


That's not entirely true, Sunni's rely on the Sunnah heavily while Shi'a do not. That's huge.


It's completely different. Think Orthodox Christianity and Catholicism. Similar, but vastly different.

[egokiller]

The logic to attack is stupid and extremely idiotic.

Pompeo stated the attack was to prevent further attacks. Iran has now vowed revenge. The dooms day clock just forwarded its time. Experts all over the world are in panic mode. White House insiders are going nuts. Trump essentially declared war without Congress approval.

This was all planned.
We were never gonna leave the Middle East.

As usual, this all leads to Putin.

Oil prices will go up around the world, Russia will be the supplier. I made a post about this a while back.

is it a shocker that as soon as Putin and Trump met in private we have these incidents unfold?

:roll:

In for the thread bump when oil prices don't go up.

[andgar923]

:roll:

In for the thread bump when oil prices don't go up.https://twitter.com/spectatorindex/status/1213107447482605568?s=20

[Patrick Chewing]

Are you serious? Of course.


There is no denying that we have the strongest military, but in no way is it unstoppable. Look no further than Vietnam.


LOL that was 50 years ago. And whether we won or lost that war is debatable. That was a poorly-strategized drawn out war with no exit strategy. Let's drop our troops in the jungle where the North Vietnamese know the terrain and hope for the best.

Comparing that mess to today's technologically advanced military is laughable.

We're in the middle of the Drone Wars. Embrace it.

[andgar923]

https://twitter.com/MookiMasuku/status/1213076767277223940?s=20

Iran will shut down this area, giving Russia the green light to be the main oil supplier.

[brownmamba00]

That guy was basically second in charge. I can see Iran barking back at Israel but they won't touch the US. They'll keep dismissing Trump as if he's a mannequin president.


Trump is really pushing some buttons out there. Iran is no afghanistan or iraq. One day it could all blow up and we'd be right back at where this all started. Proxy war with the Russians.

[Bosnian Sajo]

LOL that was 50 years ago. And whether we won or lost that war is debatable. That was a poorly-strategized drawn out war with no exit strategy. Let's drop our troops in the jungle where the North Vietnamese know the terrain and hope for the best.

Comparing that mess to today's technologically advanced military is laughable.

We're in the middle of the Drone Wars. Embrace it.


Do you believe that America is the only country to have advanced military? Because that itself is very laughable.


Bro, you don't want this. I ABSOLUTELY do not want this. I don't wanna be drafted into a stupid ****ing war that would be filled with bad...horrific shit.


Stop being dumb. This aint a Democrat vs Republican thing.

[egokiller]

That guy was basically second in charge. I can see Iran barking back at Israel but they won't touch the US. They'll keep dismissing Trump as if he's a mannequin president.


Trump is really pushing some buttons out there. Iran is no afghanistan or iraq. One day it could all blow up and we'd be right back at where this all started. Proxy war with the Russians.

They better not bark too loudly for us to hear it. Taking out the 2nd in charge was only a warning shot.

[Derka]

:confusedshrug:

Iran alone has one of the largest and strongest armies in the world, you are aware of that right? Don't they also have the Russians and Chinese on their side?

Why would anyone want this is beyond me. This isn't a sporting event.
A first-world military is only as good as its ability to project power and Iran has approximately dick as far as force projection capabilities go.

The bulk of the Iranian Air Force is using 30+ year old MiGs and Phantoms while the US operating post at Diego Garcia alone has more transport/refueling craft than Iran has in total. The Iranian Navy and the IRGC Navy are frigate navies, not capable of operating beyond the Gulf. Nothing bigger than a torpedo boat. The Iranian Army and Revolutionary Guard Corps are millions strong and waiting for a ride to actually go somewhere.

So if you're stupid enough to attack a mountainous nation like Iran with a millions-strong active duty military and a civilian population that is fiercely resistant to outside interference in their affairs? Yeah, that's a pretty dumb idea.

And none of that really matters because Iran has a marked advantage in one area: a surplus of poor dumb Muslim fanatics who will suicide bomb civilian targets as part of their warfare strategy.

[Derka]

https://twitter.com/MookiMasuku/status/1213076767277223940?s=20

Iran will shut down this area, giving Russia the green light to be the main oil supplier.
At which point the US 5th Fleet would decimate them. Do you seriously not think the US Navy has war-gamed 8,000 different plans for Iran trying to close the Strait to maritime traffic?

[Real Men Wear Green]

https://i.postimg.cc/P5Yz2z93/jjijiji.png (https://postimages.org/)
I admit I'm upset with myself for not thinking of this.

[Patrick Chewing]

Do you believe that America is the only country to have advanced military? Because that itself is very laughable.


Bro, you don't want this. I ABSOLUTELY do not want this. I don't wanna be drafted into a stupid ****ing war that would be filled with bad...horrific shit.


Stop being dumb. This aint a Democrat vs Republican thing.


I think you're acting hysterical now like Andy Garcia. Stop it. We aren't going to war with Iran. No one is getting drafted. Come on man. :oldlol:

A really bad guy just got murked. Let's celebrate and not worry about insane hypotheticals.

[FKAri]

You really do underestimate what the US is capable of. If we want to cease Iran's existence, we can. There are 10 million people from the middle east living in america that are very happy. Those people there are begging for us to show them the way. They are tired of the terrorists that live among them. We will come in, prevail, and help our ally Israel do what is necessary. The place is in a state of turmoil and when we capture the oil, everything will be so less confusing with the uncertainty removed. :applause:
None of that is going to happen. The people, be it here, there, or anywhere sure as hell aren't going to be in favor of a full scale US offensive in the region. That would also be terrible for all parties involved while benefiting Russia and China.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I think you're acting hysterical now like Andy Garcia. Stop it. We aren't going to war with Iran. No one is getting drafted. Come on man. :oldlol:

A really bad guy just got murked. Let's celebrate and not worry about insane hypotheticals.
Is the intentional assassination of a high-level military leader not an act of war? I don't think Iran wants to be invaded but to say things aren't escalating is stupid.

[egokiller]

Everyone thought it would be so great to have a TV celebrity as their president.

We asked for it. We got it. Now sit back and watch the show as we observe our commander in chief in action. Can someone hold my beer while I get some more popcorn?
:cheers:

[Patrick Chewing]

Is the intentional assassination of a high-level military leader not an act of war? I don't think Iran wants to be invaded but to say things aren't escalating is stupid.


I can argue that said military leader has behind intentional acts of war against the US for many years now. Am I wrong?

We take him out and all of a sudden we are the aggressors? Critics of this President cannot have it both ways.

[Norcaliblunt]

Gen X are some bitches who never fought any real wars. Boomers had Vietnam, and Millennials have had Iraq and Afghanistan. What did X’ers have Desert Storm? Lol.


That said, do you honestly think the kids of today are really up for the task of WW3?

[Shogon]

The logic to attack is stupid and extremely idiotic.

Pompeo stated the attack was to prevent further attacks. Iran has now vowed revenge. The dooms day clock just forwarded its time. Experts all over the world are in panic mode. White House insiders are going nuts. Trump essentially declared war without Congress approval.

This was all planned.
We were never gonna leave the Middle East.

As usual, this all leads to Putin.

Oil prices will go up around the world, Russia will be the supplier. I made a post about this a while back.

is it a shocker that as soon as Putin and Trump met in private we have these incidents unfold?

Ok so Trump is a Putin puppet still, got it.

But doesn’t that go against the narrative of a Third World War? Lol. I mean what kind of a world war would it be with the Russians and Americans acting together?

You are so painfully stupid that it makes my head hurt.

[Bosnian Sajo]

And none of that really matters because Iran has a marked advantage in one area: a surplus of poor dumb Muslim fanatics who will suicide bomb civilian targets as part of their warfare strategy.


...Since when have Iranians committed suicide bombings? Yall truly believe we are all the same lmfao, all you see is Muslim and clump all 2 billion together.


Iranians do not do suicide bombings, go look it up for yourself. It's rare for it to happen, and even when it does happen it comes from a "sunni jihadi" group like Ansar or any other number of Wahhabi groups. It's the Wahhabi's that do suicide bombing, fyi.



I know it seems as if these are all the same people to you, but let me assure you they are not.

[sammichoffate]

Is the intentional assassination of a high-level military leader not an act of war? I don't think Iran wants to be invaded but to say things aren't escalating is stupid.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_ad_bellum

It doesn't fit the justification principle, thankfully we're not there yet.

[brownmamba00]

They better not bark too loudly for us to hear it. Taking out the 2nd in charge was only a warning shot.
Tbh I dont give two shits about the Irani and/or American govt. Fight it out and pull Israel and Pakistan in to this aswell. Go crazy donny:applause: :confusedshrug:

[Norcaliblunt]

Does anyone think the snowflake kids of today could actually get the job done? All I hear is how weak this generation is.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Does anyone think the snowflake kids of today could actually get the job done? All I hear is how weak this generation is.


Just keep grouping, what a stupid ****ing comment.

[Norcaliblunt]

Just keep grouping, what a stupid ****ing comment.


You think a draft goes well with this generation of kids?

[Derka]

...Since when have Iranians committed suicide bombings? Yall truly believe we are all the same lmfao, all you see is Muslim and clump all 2 billion together.

Iranians do not do suicide bombings, go look it up for yourself. It's rare for it to happen, and even when it does happen it comes from a "sunni jihadi" group like Ansar or any other number of Wahhabi groups. It's the Wahhabi's that do suicide bombing, fyi.

I know it seems as if these are all the same people to you, but let me assure you they are not.
You should read more carefully before you decide to selectively choose one line out of an entire post to reply to, friend. Furthermore, countering one generalization (that I didn't make) with another generalization ("yall truly believe we are all the same lmfao") just makes you look foolish.

At no point did I say that Iranians are suicide bombers. I said that the Iranian regime would use suicide bombers targeting civilians as a part of their strategy...just like they always have. There are plenty of poor dumb Shiites in Syria and Lebanon who will strap C4 to themselves and try to take out a US embassy or a sidewalk caf

[Bosnian Sajo]

[QUOTE=Derka]You should read more carefully before you decide to selectively choose one line out of an entire post to reply to, friend. Furthermore, countering one generalization (that I didn't make) with another generalization ("yall truly believe we are all the same lmfao") just makes you look foolish.

At no point did I say that Iranians are suicide bombers. I said that the Iranian regime would use suicide bombers targeting civilians as a part of their strategy...just like they always have. There are plenty of poor dumb Shiites in Syria and Lebanon who will strap C4 to themselves and try to take out a US embassy or a sidewalk caf

[CelticBaller]

Are you serious? Of course.


There is no denying that we have the strongest military, but in no way is it unstoppable. Look no further than Vietnam.
You do realize we fought Vietnam with our hands tied behind our backs? The Vietnam war was not a

[CelticBaller]

The logic to attack is stupid and extremely idiotic.

Pompeo stated the attack was to prevent further attacks. Iran has now vowed revenge. The dooms day clock just forwarded its time. Experts all over the world are in panic mode. White House insiders are going nuts. Trump essentially declared war without Congress approval.

This was all planned.
We were never gonna leave the Middle East.

As usual, this all leads to Putin.

Oil prices will go up around the world, Russia will be the supplier. I made a post about this a while back.

is it a shocker that as soon as Putin and Trump met in private we have these incidents unfold?
But but I though Russia backed Iran :lol

So is WW3 happening or is Trump Putin shill? Make up ya damn mind

[egokiller]

Does anyone think the snowflake kids of today could actually get the job done? All I hear is how weak this generation is.

Thankfully the US gov is one of the areas where all that snowflake mentality is thrown out the window. No need to be concerned. :applause:

[CelticBaller]

:confusedshrug:


Iran alone has one of the largest and strongest armies in the world, you are aware of that right? Don't they also have the Russians and Chinese on their side?



Why would anyone want this is beyond me. This isn't a sporting event.
Russia and China? China wants more control in the Middle East and russia wants to destabilize it

They

[egokiller]

Gen X are some bitches who never fought any real wars. Boomers had Vietnam, and Millennials have had Iraq and Afghanistan. What did X’ers have Desert Storm? Lol.


That said, do you honestly think the kids of today are really up for the task of WW3?

So X-ers were too smart to get involved in a war and were able to work things out without lives being lost? Amazing. Thank goodness we have a generation with intelligence to help us through these times! :applause:

[Bosnian Sajo]

Russia and China? China wants more control in the Middle East and russia wants to destabilize it

They’re probably praying the US takes out Iran swiftly so they can swoop in


Alright.


Of all the things I've read here so far, "US taking out Iran swiftly" is probably the dumbest.


As far as China/Russia, for all I know you could be right. I thought they were allies with Iran, at least Russia I thought was. I'm not too well versed to be able to further comment on that.

[CelticBaller]

Alright.


Of all the things I've read here so far, "US taking out Iran swiftly" is probably the dumbest.


As far as China/Russia, for all I know you could be right. I thought they were allies with Iran, at least Russia I thought was. I'm not too well versed to be able to further comment on that.
We literally did that with Iraq when it had a stronger military than Iran at the time...

Shit, are we forgetting what happened in the Persian gulf war when we jumped in? We literally destroyed almost all of Iran’s infantry.

You guys seriously underestimate the US. Again, the fact that these countries use terrorist groups to attack us shows you how much they fear being in actual conflict with us

[CelticBaller]

So X-ers were too smart to get involved in a war and were able to work things out without lives being lost? Amazing. Thank goodness we have a generation with intelligence to help us through these times! :applause:
Lmao so let’s pretend like the Iraqi war didn’t happen uh

[Bosnian Sajo]

We literally did that with Iraq when it had a stronger military than Iran at the time...




Stronger based on...what exactly?

[CelticBaller]

On the fact that they were pushing Iran’s shit in the Persian gulf war despite being in a strategically worse situation than them?

The only reason why the war went back and forth was because Iraq couldn’t really push in the mountains

But please ignore the rest of my post on how we destroyed Iran back then in a “sweep”

[Bosnian Sajo]

btw, lmao @ using Iraq as a good example. That war is widely considered as something we never should have gotten into.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I can argue that said military leader has behind intentional acts of war against the US for many years now. Am I wrong?

We take him out and all of a sudden we are the aggressors? Critics of this President cannot have it both ways.
I didn't say there was no reason to kill him. There apparently is ample reason. And it's still an act of war. The two are not mutually exclusive.

[CelticBaller]

btw, lmao @ using Iraq as a good example. That war is widely considered as something we never should have gotten into.
Iraq is an example of how we quickly destroyed a government, which is why it is considered shit show, because we failed to build another one :facepalm

Jesus your reading comprehension is terrible

[Norcaliblunt]

So X-ers were too smart to get involved in a war and were able to work things out without lives being lost? Amazing. Thank goodness we have a generation with intelligence to help us through these times! :applause:


X

[Bosnian Sajo]

Iraq is an example of how we quickly destroyed a government, which is why it is considered shit show, because we failed to build another one :facepalm

Jesus your reading comprehension is terrible


ok dude.

[Patrick Chewing]

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]X

[CelticBaller]

Aka my argument has no basis and I

[Bosnian Sajo]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]Aka my argument has no basis and I

[Norcaliblunt]

No shit it

[CelticBaller]

>claims the US can

[CelticBaller]

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]No shit it

[Bosnian Sajo]

>claims the US can’t “sweep” Iran

> I provide instances where the US had already done it, and how quickly the US disposed of the only enemy that Iran has fought in the last couple of decades

>claims Iraq is a terrible example because it was a shitshow

>fails to understand that Iraq was a shitshow because of poor planning to install a government after successfully overthrowing the enemy government

>says ok because he cannot bring an argument as to why the US will struggle against Iran

There, laid it out to you. Maybe you can understand that your “US can’t sweep Iran” argument is stupid as ****


You said swift, not sweep. And yes, I believe this would not be a swift war at all, I believe this bull shit would go on for a decade. What the hell makes you think this would be any different, we have a stable gov ready to give to Iran once the current one is taken down?


Like I said man, you're the one with shit reading comprehension.

[CelticBaller]

Or hear me out, the US just doesn’t bother to install a puppet government like most Americans wanted back in the early 2000s

You don’t have to install a government after a war. Let them figure it out

So yeah, “swift”

[Bosnian Sajo]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]Or hear me out, the US just doesn

[andgar923]

There is no doubt that we can wipe out an entire country with some nukes.

But this isn't what this is about.

This shouldn't be happening. This is exactly what many warned about. This is as bad as Bush starting the war in Iraq based on lies. Iraq war and the takeover of the Middle East was one of the worst moves in history. It brought about great turmoil and death all to profit the rich.

This move by Trump will result in predicted disorder not just in the Middle East, but in Europe, and will impact our home.

Experts all over the world are condemning this move by Trump and leaders are scrambling to react appropriately.

Only fools believe this was a great move.

Iraq is lost, Afghanistan will be lost. Thousands of American troop's lives have been lost, hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars will go to waste, intel will go to waste, allied relationships down the tube, all due to a reactionary move without contemplation.

That's only the beginning.

Terrrorist activities around the world will spike up. Refugee crisis will escalate, world economies will suffer, oil prices world wide will spike up, plus much more all due to this idiot.

[brownmamba00]

[QUOTE=CelticBaller]>claims the US can

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=Norcaliblunt]X

[Bosnian Sajo]

Is this what they teach you at school?:oldlol:

The US is choking on its debt because of Iraq and Afghanistan. Thinking the US could sustain another prolonged ground invasion in the middle east is nothing but internet soldier talk.

Turkey is not opening its borders and best believe Putin is jumping in to this when shit hits the fan.


Idek where his "extremist apologist" comment even came from lmfao, dudes all over the place.

[egokiller]

The bullshit conflict in the middle east that has been embarrassing the world is coming to an end. They were warned to fix this shit, and they disobeyed. Now we will come in and sort it out. They had their chance. Say bye bye to the middle east as you currently know it. Shit is about to change.

[andgar923]

The bullshit conflict in the middle east that has been embarrassing the world is coming to an end. They were warned to fix this shit, and they disobeyed. Now we will come in and sort it out. They had their chance. Say bye bye to the middle east as you currently know it. Shit is about to change.
Yeah

Things are gonna get WORSE

[CelticBaller]

Is this what they teach you at school?:oldlol:

The US is choking on its debt because of Iraq and Afghanistan. Thinking the US could sustain another prolonged ground invasion in the middle east is nothing but internet soldier talk.

Turkey is not opening its borders and best believe Putin is jumping in to this when shit hits the fan.
US choking on its debt? Do you realize that every country is in debt?

We

[sammichoffate]

The bullshit conflict in the middle east that has been embarrassing the world is coming to an end. They were warned to fix this shit, and they disobeyed. Now we will come in and sort it out. They had their chance. Say bye bye to the middle east as you currently know it. Shit is about to change.??? The conservatives were the ones who fked up the Iran Deal after Obama had taken away their ability to make nukes. Iran was the one who held up their end of the deal, how in the hell did they disobey? :wtf:

[brownmamba00]

US choking on its debt? Do you realize that every country is in debt?

We’re chocking on our debt so much that new politicians want even more government spending :biggums:

Something tells me you’re the one who doesn’t read books
What? As of right now the national debt is the highest it has ever been.

Wrap it up bro nobody cares about these hypothetical war scenarios. It's not happening.

The days of direct US ground invasions are gone.

[andgar923]

thousands of troops are currently being deployed to Iraq and more will be sent throughout other areas in the Middle East.

But... but... I thought this would make us safer? if we're now safer why send thousands of troops?

:confusedshrug:

[CelticBaller]

What? As of right now the national debt is the highest it has ever been.

Wrap it up bro nobody cares about these hypothetical war scenarios. It's not happening.

The days of direct US ground invasions are gone.
And yet that

[andgar923]

Trump was doing business deals with Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/04/trump-iran-revolutionary-guard-terrorist-organization

[QUOTE]In 2017, The New Yorker published a story about Trump Tower Baku, a hotel in Azerbaijan that never opened and appeared

[egokiller]

Yeah

Things are gonna get WORSE

Then they get worse until they get better and this cancer is removed. We didn't ask for this asshole to kill thousands of Americans. We did what we had to do in retaliation. The pussification needs to stop.

Now this Ayatollah Ali Khamernei ****tard is saying "His departure to God does not end his path or his mission, but a forceful revenge awaits the criminals who have his blood and the blood of the other martyrs last night on their hands"

Mission to kill Americans. Revenge? Delusional ****.... what a joke. Instead of owning up to what he did and accepting our retaliation, this is his response? He just made things even worse for himself and the people that support his killing of innocent Americans. Enough is enough. We will take him out and have the 2nd bullet ready for the next terrorist that tries to take his place. Anyone who is not with us is against us. They poked the beast and now they are ****ed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/world/middleeast/iranian-general-qassem-soleimani-killed.html

[andgar923]

Then they get worse until they get better and this cancer is removed. We didn't ask for this asshole to kill thousands of Americans. We did what we had to do in retaliation. The pussification needs to stop.

Now this Ayatollah Ali Khamernei ****tard is saying "His departure to God does not end his path or his mission, but a forceful revenge awaits the criminals who have his blood and the blood of the other martyrs last night on their hands"

Mission to kill Americans. Revenge? Delusional uck.... what a joke. Instead of owning up to what he did and accepting our retaliation, this is his response? He just made things even worse for himself and the people that support his killing of innocent Americans. Enough is enough. We will take him out and have the 2nd bullet ready for the next terrorist that tries to take his place. Anyone who is not with us is against us. They poked the beast and now they are ****ed.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/03/world/middleeast/iranian-general-qassem-soleimani-killed.html
You sound like the typical online tough guy.

Not sure if trolling

[egokiller]

thousands of troops are currently being deployed to Iraq and more will be sent throughout other areas in the Middle East.

But... but... I thought this would make us safer? if we're now safer why send thousands of troops?

:confusedshrug:

Do you think American tax payers pay taxes to support and fund our troops so that they sit around all day twiddling their thumbs? This is what they are trained to do. This is what they live for. You should be proud that these american troops are being deployed so that more innocent american civilian lives are not lost. How many thousands of Americans do you want Iran to kill before we do something about it?

"but..but..but.. oil price will go up." I don't give a ****. I along with our US soldiers want the people who killed our American citizens to pay. The bullshit stops now.

[egokiller]

You sound like the typical online tough guy.

Not sure if trolling

Stop looking for excuses and pretending that Americans aren't going to do what they need to do to save civilian lives. Your take is completely wrong.

[Shogon]

Anyone who is not with us is against us.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8QLKWvVK14&t=278

[egokiller]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8QLKWvVK14&t=278

:applause:

[Patrick Chewing]

https://i.ibb.co/q5tkTGC/797-AF762-0484-47-C4-868-D-FA057-A38-CDED.jpg

[ROCSteady]

Chill. Not like this n!gga was Franz Ferdinand

[highwhey]

https://i.ibb.co/q5tkTGC/797-AF762-0484-47-C4-868-D-FA057-A38-CDED.jpg
Hol up. Pause.

Why is your boomer ass following "savage memes for savage teens" account?
:roll:

[ROCSteady]

So lemme just get this straight, we have a crazy national deficit, all kinds of shit to figure out as a sovereign nation before the year is over and now more Americans (civilians, politicians, officials) are going to be preoccupied with Iran even further?

Lol partisan lines, people fall for them hook, line, and sinker. The Dems think the World is doomed, the Conservatives think we're the answer to everything and now the profiteers will most likeely, profit from this action.

I guess the Lockheed hangars were getting too full and they needed some new manufacturing contracts for the fat cats lol

[Patrick Chewing]

Hol up. Pause.

Why is your boomer ass following "savage memes for savage teens" account?
:roll:


Cause I'm cool, unlike you.

[imdaman99]

...Since when have Iranians committed suicide bombings? Yall truly believe we are all the same lmfao, all you see is Muslim and clump all 2 billion together.


Iranians do not do suicide bombings, go look it up for yourself. It's rare for it to happen, and even when it does happen it comes from a "sunni jihadi" group like Ansar or any other number of Wahhabi groups. It's the Wahhabi's that do suicide bombing, fyi.



I know it seems as if these are all the same people to you, but let me assure you they are not.
Good post. Apparently there are 2 billion suicide bombers around the world hiding and ready to strike :facepalm

[scuzzy]

Hopefully this gets resolved diplomatically


Lots of good Iranian and Persian folk in the US

[diamenz]

https://b2.crackwatch.com/file/crackwatch-temp/oeabys4dr.jpg

[Hawker]

Hopefully this gets resolved diplomatically


Lots of good Iranian and Persian folk in the US

Persian women need to be freed.

[Hawker]

[QUOTE]DUBAI (Reuters) - Iran will launch legal measures at the international level to hold the United States to account for the assassination of Qassem Soleimani, Tehran

[Hawker]

The logic to attack is stupid and extremely idiotic.

Pompeo stated the attack was to prevent further attacks. Iran has now vowed revenge. The dooms day clock just forwarded its time. Experts all over the world are in panic mode. White House insiders are going nuts. Trump essentially declared war without Congress approval.

This was all planned.
We were never gonna leave the Middle East.

As usual, this all leads to Putin.

Oil prices will go up around the world, Russia will be the supplier. I made a post about this a while back.

is it a shocker that as soon as Putin and Trump met in private we have these incidents unfold?

Dude you just parrot the same generic liberal talking points with no substance at all.

"Experts"

"Doomsday clock"

"Putin"

"Allies"

[scuzzy]

Persian women need to be freed.
just like the Iraqi people! :yaohappy:



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https://i.postimg.cc/CxghLRS1/merlin-152767029-9af0f2bc-6578-4f16-9755-739b720a15c4-article-Lar.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

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[highwhey]

Cause I'm cool, unlike you.
https://media3.giphy.com/media/Z7z7urci3RYGs/giphy.gif

[MrFonzworth]

https://media3.giphy.com/media/Z7z7urci3RYGs/giphy.gif
:lol

[Draz]

Retardicans wanna end the world first before Trump gets removed from office or lose in 2020

All time low tbh

[Shogon]

Retardicans wanna end the world first before Trump gets removed from office or lose in 2020

All time low tbh

:facepalm

[Jasper]

It's nice to pound your chest, but this will bring about terrible consequences. I get that he's evil, I get that we need to get payback of sorts. But world diplomacy doesn't work like it does on Santa Fe and Gage (my old neighbourhood).

Trump can pound his chest but he's leading this world into a dark place with serious deadly consequences. Our allies will not be fond of this and may not whole heartedly support this.

Our troops and our diplomats around the world will pay the consequences while Trump is out golfing.
quit frankly I do not think he understands the ramifications he generates..

Its not days or months , it could be decades , to clean up his mess

[bladefd]

https://i.redd.it/514fxb1yv0841.jpg

[Bosnian Sajo]

Legal measures don't seem to indicate WW3 but maybe OP knows something we all don't.

That's actually pretty awesome, this does count as terrorism does it not? It's the definition of it.

[Hawker]

That's actually pretty awesome, this does count as terrorism does it not? It's the definition of it.

Well it technically happened in Iraq.

[bladefd]

A first-world military is only as good as its ability to project power and Iran has approximately dick as far as force projection capabilities go.

The bulk of the Iranian Air Force is using 30+ year old MiGs and Phantoms while the US operating post at Diego Garcia alone has more transport/refueling craft than Iran has in total. The Iranian Navy and the IRGC Navy are frigate navies, not capable of operating beyond the Gulf. Nothing bigger than a torpedo boat. The Iranian Army and Revolutionary Guard Corps are millions strong and waiting for a ride to actually go somewhere.

So if you're stupid enough to attack a mountainous nation like Iran with a millions-strong active duty military and a civilian population that is fiercely resistant to outside interference in their affairs? Yeah, that's a pretty dumb idea.

And none of that really matters because Iran has a marked advantage in one area: a surplus of poor dumb Muslim fanatics who will suicide bomb civilian targets as part of their warfare strategy.

Iran doesn't actually have to do anything. They don't even have to fund terrorist organizations. Today, I fear that more people in the middle-east will be signing up with terrorist organizations simply because Iran vowed revenge. We Americans have to be ready for heavy repercussions not only from Iranian government but also terrorist organizations from rest of the Middle east striking at the USA..

Trump essentially threw a stick at a hornets' nest. Now we wait for them to come at us raging.

Why the hell do a preemptive strike? Why why why?? We are still not done with Iraq and Afghanistan.. Now add Iran to the mix soon. :hammerhead:

[~primetime~]

https://i.redd.it/514fxb1yv0841.jpg
Here is the video version:

https://twitter.com/Chasedogman/status/1212975935403810816?s=19

[CelticBaller]

Iran doesn't actually have to do anything. They don't even have to fund terrorist organizations. Today, I fear that more people in the middle-east will be signing up with terrorist organizations simply because Iran vowed revenge. We Americans have to be ready for heavy repercussions not only from Iranian government but also terrorist organizations from rest of the Middle east striking at the USA..

Trump essentially threw a stick at a hornets' nest. Now we wait for them to come at us raging.

Why the hell do a preemptive strike? Why why why?? We are still not done with Iraq and Afghanistan.. Now add Iran to the mix soon. :hammerhead:
That analogy would be assuming were some defense less person waiting to be stung by hornets. Do you really believe the US is that? :facepalm

[highwhey]

https://i.redd.it/514fxb1yv0841.jpg
Why arent trump supporters acknowledging thie? :roll:

[Shogon]

Why arent trump supporters acknowledging thie? :roll:

Because it hasn't escalated into a war and because what was he supposed to do, let the embassy be attacked with no response of force? We've already sanctioned them to hell.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Well it technically happened in Iraq.

ter

[CelticBaller]

Apparently we just bombed an iran funded Iraqi militia

[CelticBaller]

[QUOTE=Bosnian Sajo]ter

[FultzNationRISE]

Because it hasn't escalated into a war and because what was he supposed to do, let the embassy be attacked with no response of force? We've already sanctioned them to hell.


The idea that America is "responding" to little embassy attacks etc is nonsense IMO.

It was decided DECADES ago by the military industrial complex that we will be perpetually involved in the middle east, as a justification for a perpetually ballooned U.S. military.

America low key encourages rebellions and terrorism and etc, so that it can justify coming in and squashing it.

This is not a Trump thing. It's not an Obama thing. It's not a Bush thing. It's not a Clinton thing. I did have hope that as an outsider, Trump would be able to achieve some resistance to it. But it appears he cannot.

None of these Presidents are making these decisions willy-nilly. First of all, they have no investment in it. The President doesn't give a **** if we're over there or not. He's just some guy. But the immense monied interests that control Washington push for this. And I believe every President quickly realizes that he either plays ball, or he won't be around long.


People in this thread debating the merits of these things as if what's reported in the news are the genuine causes and reasons for doing something or not doing something etc. makes me LOL.

This shit has already been decided. The arguments people are having in this thread are the exact arguments theyre supposed to be having. Is it Trump's fault? Is Trump right to do it?

Trump doesnt decide this shit. Money does.

Average people can't really understand more abstract ideas like that tho. They need a PERSON. They need one leader they can either rally around or rally against. Trump is the average person's savior or foil. Just like Obama was. And Bush etc. Everything else going on is way over their heads.

Reading some idiot parrot like bladefd repeating talking points he's been given from his "always support the opposite of what Trump does" peer group is mind numbing. Not only does he have no foreign policy understanding or experience - as most of us dont - but he doesnt even have a salient mind. He's just a bot, repeating the things he thinks will make him sound smart. He doesnt understand a word of it.



This whole thread is mind numbing verbal vomit. No one here is qualified to speak intelligently on foreign policy subjects, including myself, because none of us have access to the real information. The information we get filtered to us through the news is a puppet show. It's all fake. The reasons the government gives us are not the ACTUAL reasons anything is being done. And yet utterly average, uneducated boobs like Draz think their voice is needed on this issue? Does anyone look to DRAZ for his foreign policy expertise??? Jesus Christ.

But by all means everyone, please, continue...

[Shogon]

The idea that America is "responding" to little embassy attacks etc is nonsense IMO.

It was decided DECADES ago by the military industrial complex that we will be perpetually involved in the middle east, as a justification for a perpetually ballooned U.S. military.

America low key encourages rebellions and terrorism and etc, so that it can justify coming in and squashing it.

This is not a Trump thing. It's not an Obama thing. It's not a Bush thing. It's not a Clinton thing. I did have hope that as an outsider, Trump would be able to achieve some resistance to it. But it appears he cannot.

None of these Presidents are making these decisions willy-nilly. First of all, they have no investment in it. The President doesn't give a **** if we're over there or not. He's just some guy. But the immense monied interests that control Washington push for this. And I believe every President quickly realizes that he either plays ball, or he won't be around long.


People in this thread debating the merits of these things as if what's reported in the news are the genuine causes and reasons for doing something or not doing something etc. makes me LOL.

This shit has already been decided. The arguments people are having in this thread are the exact arguments theyre supposed to be having. Is it Trump's fault? Is Trump right to do it?

Trump doesnt decide this shit. Money does.

Average people can't really understand more abstract ideas like that tho. They need a PERSON. They need one leader they can either rally around or rally against. Trump is the average person's savior or foil. Just like Obama was. And Bush etc. Everything else going on is way over their heads.

Reading some idiot parrot like bladefd repeating talking points he's been given from his "always support the opposite of what Trump does" peer group is mind numbing. Not only does he have no foreign policy understanding or experience - as most of us dont - but he doesnt even have a salient mind. He's just a bot, repeating the things he thinks will make him sound smart. He doesnt understand a word of it.



This whole thread is mind numbing verbal vomit. No one here is qualified to speak intelligently on foreign policy subjects, including myself, because none of us have access to the real information. The information we get filtered to us through the news is a puppet show. It's all fake. The reasons the government gives us are not the ACTUAL reasons anything is being done. And yet utterly average, uneducated boobs like Draz think their voice is needed on this issue? Does anyone look to DRAZ for his foreign policy expertise??? Jesus Christ.

But by all means everyone, please, continue...

Oh, I don't disagree, not completely, but since they're arguing things based on face value, I thought I would respond in kind.

I will say though, we're in Trump's 4th year and he has repeatedly resisted military action against Iran until now... so... yeah... there's that.

[bladefd]

That analogy would be assuming were some defense less person waiting to be stung by hornets. Do you really believe the US is that? :facepalm

Of course not, but we still will have to deal with consequences of that

[bladefd]

Because it hasn't escalated into a war and because what was he supposed to do, let the embassy be attacked with no response of force? We've already sanctioned them to hell.

Do we know for certain that Iran was responsible for attacking embassy? I just heard Trump say that. Nobody else has said that

[Shogon]

Do we know for certain that Iran was responsible for attacking embassy? I just heard Trump say that. Nobody else has said that

Oh it very well could be the U.S. attacking itself, IDK... but allegedly it was a pro Iranian paramilitary group... Iraqis that support Iran, essentially. Yes, that's not just a Trump thing.

[FultzNationRISE]

Do we know for certain that Iran was responsible for attacking embassy? I just heard Trump say that. Nobody else has said that


Did you make a single comment here about middle east occupation/war throughout the 8 years of the Obama administration?


I dont remember you caring at all.

[Shogon]

Did you make a single comment here about middle east occupation/war throughout the 8 years of the Obama administration?


I dont remember you caring at all.

Obama helped to decimate Syria but not a peep, nope, not one, lol. Partisan politics, especially as it pertains to warmongering, is so incredibly disheartening and frankly... sickening.

[falc39]

The idea that America is "responding" to little embassy attacks etc is nonsense IMO.

It was decided DECADES ago by the military industrial complex that we will be perpetually involved in the middle east, as a justification for a perpetually ballooned U.S. military.

America low key encourages rebellions and terrorism and etc, so that it can justify coming in and squashing it.

This is not a Trump thing. It's not an Obama thing. It's not a Bush thing. It's not a Clinton thing. I did have hope that as an outsider, Trump would be able to achieve some resistance to it. But it appears he cannot.

None of these Presidents are making these decisions willy-nilly. First of all, they have no investment in it. The President doesn't give a **** if we're over there or not. He's just some guy. But the immense monied interests that control Washington push for this. And I believe every President quickly realizes that he either plays ball, or he won't be around long.


People in this thread debating the merits of these things as if what's reported in the news are the genuine causes and reasons for doing something or not doing something etc. makes me LOL.

This shit has already been decided. The arguments people are having in this thread are the exact arguments theyre supposed to be having. Is it Trump's fault? Is Trump right to do it?

Completely agree with a lot of this. But, the hardcore Trump supporters do deserve a lot of of it because they were celebrating that Trump would drain the swamp and that he was anti-neocon, etc. Well, guess what? He clearly is not and broke a bunch more promises along the way. But instead of owning up to it and staying consistent with their stances (which would have been enough), they just double-down and turn into warmongers. For that, they deserve to get called out every time in my book. I remember criticizing people in the left who were doing that with Obama. It's no different here. Different time but really same kind of people.

[FultzNationRISE]

Obama helped to decimate Syria but not a peep, nope, not one, lol. Partisan politics, especially as it pertains to warmongering, is so incredibly disheartening and frankly... sickening.


I mean if we could all have a rational discussion about the issues why we should be there, why we shouldnt be there, and more importantly demanding accurate information from our representatives... thatd be great.

But neutral, non partisan discussions are above the pay grade of the likes of bladefd. He

[FultzNationRISE]

Completely agree with a lot of this. But, the hardcore Trump supporters do deserve a lot of of it because they were celebrating that Trump would drain the swamp and that he was anti-neocon, etc. Well, guess what? He clearly is not and broke a bunch more promises along the way. But instead of owning up to it and staying consistent with their stances (which would have been enough), they just double-down and turn into warmongers. For that, they deserve to get called out every time in my book. I remember criticizing people in the left who were doing that with Obama. It's no different here. Different time but really same kind of people.


Well to be fair, there was genuine reason to believe he would not play the establishment game. As a layperson he’d been critical of both Bush and Obama, so he clearly just wasnt repeating partisan lines either way. And one of his main financial backers, Carl Icahn, was also on record saying Iraq was just about the oil and that we never should have went. So it’s not like Trump had a history of repeating “we must get the terrorists” stuff.

And he has tried to float the idea of large scale pull outs. I honestly think he wants to get out and is doing what he can. Ut it’s not all within his control. I spoke with a 25 yr old kid recently on a bus whod been deployed numerous times, and he was saying no President actually understands what’s going on, because they arent over there. And generals and foreign policy shills etc can tell them basically anything and the Prez doesnt know any better. None of them have served.

It’s not like Trump is making these decisions personally. Who HONESTLY thinks that?? Generals and various foreign policy “experts” are telling him what to do. And theyre all invested in more war. Imagine if he goes against their wishes and then we really do get attacked hard? Thats a lot of blood on one guy’s conscience.

We have to move past the partisan stuff. I know it isnt you, but TONS of Americans shriek bloody murder when Bush or Trump or anyone with an (R) does a war, but then theyre quietly obedient when Obama or Clinton does it, and insgead get upset that congressional Republicans are blocking trans bathroom initiatives.

How can we go anywhere when the base are just attached to blind, mindless party loyalty?? It’s the only thing that makes them feel safe and included. Otherwise bladefd has no place in the discussion. He’ll just be watching from the sideline while the intelligent people talk. He needs to feel he’s part of an intelligent group. So hes gonna keep piping up with memorized talking points. He cant be reasoned with.

America is millions of bladefds all around.

It’s pretty brutal tbh.

[TheMan]

Gen X are some bitches who never fought any real wars. Boomers had Vietnam, and Millennials have had Iraq and Afghanistan. What did X’ers have Desert Storm? Lol.


That said, do you honestly think the kids of today are really up for the task of WW3?
This fool salty af :oldlol:

Desert Storm was done the right way you dumfuk, Iraq invaded Kuwait, the US got the whole world to back us up and the US shocked and awed the Iraqi army into oblivion...it was over quick with minimum US casualties...that's kind of the point you pinhead, to lay waste your opponent and not get stuck in a quagmire :oldlol: This fool is really trying to dis Xers for not being stuck in an endless war, LMAO. Go get drunk you tard :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Some Millennials weren

[Patrick Chewing]

Apparently we just bombed an iran funded Iraqi militia


More dead bad guys = Always a good thing

[scuzzy]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]Some Millennials weren

[Patrick Chewing]

95% of the 2.5 million US troops that were enlisted during Iraq/Afghanistan war were millennials, champ


Brave, brave people.

[JohnnySic]

Ripping on millennials is very 2005. They're in their 30's now.

[Raymone]

It's the zoomers and their tik toks that we should really be bashing.

[RRR3]

Ripping on millennials is very 2005. They're in their 30's now.
I

[FultzNationRISE]

Ripping on millennials is very 2005. They're in their 30's now.


No, this is incorrect.

[falc39]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]Well to be fair, there was genuine reason to believe he would not play the establishment game. As a layperson he

[Patrick Chewing]

Us Boomers and Gen-X'ers ain't got time for that Millenniall bullshit. The world doesn't revolve around you suckas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtrhS4Hi_rw

[FultzNationRISE]

It's both ways when it comes to blind mindless base. I don't distinguish what side they are coming from. Why do you defend the Trump side so much? Especially when they are the loudest now?


Trump is the best shot we've had and will have to get a relatively non partisan outsider in the presidency.

Again, Trump has criticized federal reserve policy, he's supported lowering taxes. He's tried to fight immigration, which would create more wealth parity. He's threatened sanctuary cities with federal funding. But he doesn't get to write the budget himself and he can't go patrol the border himself. And he's endlessly resisted by special interest puppets in Washington who have manipulated a bunch of woke robots to bleet ORANGE MAN BAD at every turn to drown out Trump's pleas for sensible policy. He's not super man, he's not perfect, and I don't agree with him on everything... but is this not the best chance we've had in a long time? Why not get behind him and at least get some momentum in the anti-establishment direction??

He's criticized foreign occupation before becoming President, and he's tried to float the ideas of pulling out already. But again, the liberal press has the anti-Trump lap dogs SCREECHING that anything Trump does is wrong, even when he's now saying exactly what they were saying before he took office.

The war/occupation thing is way bigger than Trump. He's got conniving neocon oligarchs in Washington plotting his downfall secretly, phony Democrat shills plotting his downfall openly, and half the country are brainwashed zombies that would mindlessly charge at him on sight and chew his face off because they're been convinced to be angry at him without understanding why. I think you and most people are underestimating the position this ****ing guy is in. Yeah, me and a few other guys on ISH can say 'MAGA baby!' but we really can't do anything to help him. Meanwhile everyone else is willing to have him JFK'd. If he doesn't go along with some of these people some of the time, he's absolutely toast. He cannot go rogue on every single issue. That is an impossible expectation.

I agree with you that free trade is likely ideal in the long term... but we've long been getting taken advantage of in this realm and Trump is actually using what strength we still have left to get some concessions from other countries. What's wrong with that? Even if you do disagree with it, what do you think he stands to gain? Every other puppet shill on either party would never have ever addressed this. It shows me that he's actually trying to do some things for the country besides strictly playing ball, the way every President in our lifetimes has done previously.

Again, some of these things should in theory be bringing Democrats closer to center and engendering some cooperation between partisan sides going forward. But they are conditioned animals. If Trump does it, they must hate it. It's that simple. These are not intelligent human beings, these are mouth foaming animals. If Bernie or Andrew Yang or some left wing outsider were to become President, I would be pleading with people on the right to only dispute policy issues they can logically refute (which there would be plenty of, based on their platforms), and not simply subverting those guys at every turn because they're from 'the other party.'

It just happens that right now, Trump is the guy in office, and he's the one dealing with all the mindless partisan attack zombies. So yeah, I support giving him a chance and setting a precedent to get more outsiders into the office.

[CelticBaller]

I’m a millennial and I’m in my 20s. Many of us still are. There are millennials who are as young as 23 or even 22 depending on your cutoff date.
No there isn't. Gen Zs were born in the mid 90s

[Shogon]

No, this is incorrect.

It is correct, though. Well, half and half. Anyone between 23 and 38 is a millennial. You and I are millennials.

[sammichoffate]

Us Boomers and Gen-X'ers ain't got time for that Millenniall bullshit. The world doesn't revolve around you suckas.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZtrhS4Hi_rwThat was staged, you ****ing dunce.

[Jasper]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]I feel like war isn

[Jasper]

Again, Trump has criticized federal reserve policy, he's supported lowering taxes. He's tried to fight immigration, which would create more wealth parity. He's threatened sanctuary cities with federal funding. But he doesn't get to write the budget himself and he can't go patrol the border himself.

Of course so that all the millionaires can make more money off their tax savings , while we can get a tank of gas....
good thinking.

[Patrick Chewing]

That was staged, you ****ing dunce.


The fact that you had to point that out proves how helpless you Millennial babies are. It

[sammichoffate]

[QUOTE=Patrick Chewing]The fact that you had to point that out proves how helpless you Millennial babies are. It

[Patrick Chewing]

Lol, you boomer *******s will shit all over us then cry about us not paying for your shitty social security benefits. I'm not even sure if you're trolling about half the shit you type half the time, it's ****ing garbage either way. The only thing you like more than gaslighting is killing brown people, you worthless pos :lol


You need help. It's a shame your shitty parents didn't do more for you.

[falc39]

Trump is the best shot we've had and will have to get a relatively non partisan outsider in the presidency.

Again, Trump has criticized federal reserve policy, he's supported lowering taxes. He's tried to fight immigration, which would create more wealth parity. He's threatened sanctuary cities with federal funding. But he doesn't get to write the budget himself and he can't go patrol the border himself. And he's endlessly resisted by special interest puppets in Washington who have manipulated a bunch of woke robots to bleet ORANGE MAN BAD at every turn to drown out Trump's pleas for sensible policy. He's not super man, he's not perfect, and I don't agree with him on everything... but is this not the best chance we've had in a long time? Why not get behind him and at least get some momentum in the anti-establishment direction??

He's criticized foreign occupation before becoming President, and he's tried to float the ideas of pulling out already. But again, the liberal press has the anti-Trump lap dogs SCREECHING that anything Trump does is wrong, even when he's now saying exactly what they were saying before he took office.

The war/occupation thing is way bigger than Trump. He's got conniving neocon oligarchs in Washington plotting his downfall secretly, phony Democrat shills plotting his downfall openly, and half the country are brainwashed zombies that would mindlessly charge at him on sight and chew his face off because they're been convinced to be angry at him without understanding why. I think you and most people are underestimating the position this ****ing guy is in. Yeah, me and a few other guys on ISH can say 'MAGA baby!' but we really can't do anything to help him. Meanwhile everyone else is willing to have him JFK'd. If he doesn't go along with some of these people some of the time, he's absolutely toast. He cannot go rogue on every single issue. That is an impossible expectation.

I agree with you that free trade is likely ideal in the long term... but we've long been getting taken advantage of in this realm and Trump is actually using what strength we still have left to get some concessions from other countries. What's wrong with that? Even if you do disagree with it, what do you think he stands to gain? Every other puppet shill on either party would never have ever addressed this. It shows me that he's actually trying to do some things for the country besides strictly playing ball, the way every President in our lifetimes has done previously.

Again, some of these things should in theory be bringing Democrats closer to center and engendering some cooperation between partisan sides going forward. But they are conditioned animals. If Trump does it, they must hate it. It's that simple. These are not intelligent human beings, these are mouth foaming animals. If Bernie or Andrew Yang or some left wing outsider were to become President, I would be pleading with people on the right to only dispute policy issues they can logically refute (which there would be plenty of, based on their platforms), and not simply subverting those guys at every turn because they're from 'the other party.'

It just happens that right now, Trump is the guy in office, and he's the one dealing with all the mindless partisan attack zombies. So yeah, I support giving him a chance and setting a precedent to get more outsiders into the office.

I give you props that you are openly willing to discuss is. I will say that I disagree with this viewpoint and that's ok because we can agree to disagree. Trump had a chance at being a good shot as an outsider, but it became very clear early (like a month in) that he wasn't going to be that person. What Trump says doesn't matter much. He can criticize federal reserve policy all he wants but the actions he has taken are as bad as Obama when it comes to the Fed.

The trade protectionism and managed trade ideas is one of Trump's worst pushes. Not only did it turn out as damaging as we knew it would be, I don't think Trump supporters even understand how far off they are from the issue. He's using it to drum up support and put blame on other nations, but more importantly taking the attention off of the real problems in our economy.

It's great that Trump for a brief time was seen as an outsider and someone that would drain the swamp. But at the same time, if it doesn't work, you can't all just go, whelp, he doesn't have control of anything, so too bad. Nah, criticism is deserved. Every president can say they didn't have as much control as they wanted and we didn't spare them from criticism at the time.

Maybe you don't see it because you are a supporter yourself, but a lot of these "mouth foaming animals" are on Trump's side too. They absolutely deserve the criticism. I lost count how many times I heard how we were going to "stomp China" into submission with our tariffs and and it would be a walk in the park to win the trade war in the most obnoxious way. I can honestly say there are a lot of Trump supporters out there that are just as bad as the worst on the left, and that's saying something. It's only fair to be able to criticize both. At some point there is no need to even distinguish between the two.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Don't listen to paranoid Andy Garcia over there. Dude is unhinged.


No repeat of Benghazi under Trump's watch. The Iranian people want regime change. Anyone who doesn't know that is a dumbass. The Iranians are begging for our bombs.

#FreeIran

"The Iraqis will greet us as liberators."--Dick Cheney

[sammichoffate]

You need help. It's a shame your shitty parents didn't do more for you.Yeah, they were too busy fighting for their ****ing freedom and legally immigrating to this country after a ****ing war that they never asked for. Conservatives like to do everything but help by bombing or shooting everything that they look at and asking questions later. That's none of my business though, I don't get to say anything or i'll be un-American.

[MaxFly]

I trust that those who have said a war with Iran would be swift and easy are trolling. A full scale confrontation with Iran won't simply end when the current Iranian regime is toppled; recent history chronicling or escapades in the region should have long dispelled that notion. Troops would have to remain in the country and in the region long term to establish some semblance of stability and to deal with new terrorist organizations and cells that pop up in the aftermath of the conflict. We would have to figure out how to help a new Iranian regime rebuild and secure their oil. Oil prices would increase. It would be messy and would require several years of continued US involvement. Moreover, the current administration has burned bridges with all of our traditional allies. It is highly unlikely Europe will make any serious commitment to join us... all while Russia, China and Saudi Arabia would be planning how to capitalize.

We should have long recognized that a successful campaign in the middle east requires more than putting up a banner and declaring victory... otherwise we wouldn't still find ourselves in Iraq.

[sammichoffate]

I trust that those who have said a war with Iran would be swift and easy are trolling. A full scale confrontation with Iran won't simply end when the current Iranian regime is toppled; recent history chronicling or escapades in the region should have long dispelled that notion. Troops would have to remain in the country and in the region long term to establish some semblance of stability and to deal with new terrorist organizations and cells that pop up in the aftermath of the conflict. We would have to figure out how to help a new Iranian regime rebuild and secure their oil. Oil prices would increase. It would be messy and would require several years of continued US involvement. Moreover, the current administration has burned bridges with all of our traditional allies. It is highly unlikely Europe will make any serious commitment to join us... all while Russia, China and Saudi Arabia would be planning how to capitalize.

We should have long recognized that a successful campaign in the middle east requires more than putting up a banner and declaring victory... otherwise we wouldn't still find ourselves in Iraq.https://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/2008/05/01/d851091e-a642-11e2-a3f0-029118418759/image4061139x.jpg

https://media1.giphy.com/media/DFNd1yVyRjmF2/source.gif

[MaxFly]

https://i.ibb.co/RBSzK11/1.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/GHMV5Wg/2.jpg

:rolleyes: :confusedshrug:

[sammichoffate]

:rolleyes: :confusedshrug:I'm the one who needs help. Right.

[Patrick Chewing]

Yeah, they were too busy fighting for their ****ing freedom and legally immigrating to this country after a ****ing war that they never asked for. Conservatives like to do everything but help by bombing or shooting everything that they look at and asking questions later. That's none of my business though, I don't get to say anything or i'll be un-American.


My parents immigrated to this country too. Why did you turn out so bitter and defensive? You think you actually have allies on the Left?? :oldlol:

[rufuspaul]

We kill a murderous asshole and the libs go nuts. You can’t make this shit up. Maybe we should do like the Obama administration and lift sanctions. Oh and if that isn’t enough let’s fly in billions in cash! SMH

All we need to do now is take out the ayatollah. The Iranian people will do the rest.

[andgar923]

[QUOTE=rufuspaul]We kill a murderous asshole and the libs go nuts. You can

[andgar923]

There's also the question of possible insider trading and other SEC violations as Trump was hinting to Mar O Largo guests of something big coming up, giving hints to members.

As expected Grumman, Lockheed, Raytheon and other's stock went up along with oil and gas.

Trump has a tendency to manipulate the stock market for personal gain.

https://twitter.com/_Arianna_D/status/1212937373173944320?s=20

This IS insider trading and it's illegal.

[Patrick Chewing]

You idiot.

This isn't that simple. Sure the world is better now that he's gone, but that's not what governments do, that's not how we should've approached this.

If getting rid of murderous assholes was the case we could start with no.1 Putin.

The 'consequences' of the assassination are what most are angry about and the reasoning behind it. More importantly some are mad at the possible true purpose behind this (which are a few reasons).


Why do you consistently talk out of your ass? You have no idea what you're talking. You don't speak for the government or their motives. You only speak for your unhinged self. If you have credible intelligence that a bad guy or group will carry out an attack against your citizens or interests, you don't wait till they do it, and then react. You eliminate the threat first.

You should donate your brain to science so that future humans can study the level of triggeredness and paranoia you display on a daily basis.

[Patrick Chewing]

You idiot.




And rufus is a dentist with a DDS degree. You post shitty music on Soundcloud.

[andgar923]

Why do you consistently talk out of your ass? You have no idea what you're talking. You don't speak for the government or their motives. You only speak for your unhinged self. If you have credible intelligence that a bad guy or group will carry out an attack against your citizens or interests, you don't wait till they do it, and then react. You eliminate the threat first.

You should donate your brain to science so that future humans can study the level of triggeredness and paranoia you display on a daily basis.
I rarely reply to you because you clearly have a mental illness, but I'll clear something up.

A. Killing one person will not stop any operation unless that person would personally do it.

B. There is NO evidence that they were actually planning anything.

So even if I play devil's advocate and pretend that they were planning multiple attacks, killing him won't stop anything.

What you would need to do, is stop the actual activities from happening.

In a realistic world sure it'd be nice to simply kill all the bad guys. But the world doesn't work that way, which is why there are tons of dictators and murderous generals around the world.

The world is complicated.

Now Iran and others are calling for revenge and have declared it an act of war. And now they're getting ready.

https://twitter.com/naqvibaseeji/status/1213459124459122688?s=20

[CelticBaller]

I trust that those who have said a war with Iran would be swift and easy are trolling. A full scale confrontation with Iran won't simply end when the current Iranian regime is toppled; recent history chronicling or escapades in the region should have long dispelled that notion. Troops would have to remain in the country and in the region long term to establish some semblance of stability and to deal with new terrorist organizations and cells that pop up in the aftermath of the conflict. We would have to figure out how to help a new Iranian regime rebuild and secure their oil. Oil prices would increase. It would be messy and would require several years of continued US involvement. Moreover, the current administration has burned bridges with all of our traditional allies. It is highly unlikely Europe will make any serious commitment to join us... all while Russia, China and Saudi Arabia would be planning how to capitalize.

We should have long recognized that a successful campaign in the middle east requires more than putting up a banner and declaring victory... otherwise we wouldn't still find ourselves in Iraq.
If the US wasn

[Patrick Chewing]

I rarely reply to you because you clearly have a mental illness, but I'll clear something up.

A. Killing one person will not stop any operation unless that person would personally do it.

B. There is NO evidence that they were actually planning anything.

So even if I play devil's advocate and pretend that they were planning multiple attacks, killing him won't stop anything.

What you would need to do, is stop the actual activities from happening.

In a realistic world sure it'd be nice to simply kill all the bad guys. But the world doesn't work that way, which is why there are tons of dictators and murderous generals around the world.

The world is complicated.

Now Iran and others are calling for revenge and have declared it an act of war. And now they're getting ready.

https://twitter.com/naqvibaseeji/status/1213459124459122688?s=20


An unhinged lunatic like yourself is going to lecture us about how the world works. That's rich. The world is full of good and evil and full of weak men and strong men. The weak men accomplish nothing and let others manipulate them, steal from them, use them. While strong men take action, seize the day, and our masters of their own fortunes and destiny.


You say:


What you would need to do, is stop the actual activities from happening.

And you know how you do that? You eliminate the threat. You take decisive action. You don't let murderers and men who wield enormous power for evil walk free and without consequence.

[Lebron23]

Make Love, Not War.

[rufuspaul]

Sure the world is better now that he's gone


Exactly. Thank you president Trump.

[Jasper]

I rarely reply to you because you clearly have a mental illness, but I'll clear something up.

A. Killing one person will not stop any operation unless that person would personally do it.

B. There is NO evidence that they were actually planning anything.

So even if I play devil's advocate and pretend that they were planning multiple attacks, killing him won't stop anything.

What you would need to do, is stop the actual activities from happening.

In a realistic world sure it'd be nice to simply kill all the bad guys. But the world doesn't work that way, which is why there are tons of dictators and murderous generals around the world.

The world is complicated.

Now Iran and others are calling for revenge and have declared it an act of war. And now they're getting ready.

https://twitter.com/naqvibaseeji/status/1213459124459122688?s=20
sounds like a expert on government military objectives. :rolleyes:

[Jasper]

Make Love, Not War.
10-4

[Jasper]

https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/thousands-mourn-iranian-general-killed-us-airstrike-68063780?cid=clicksource_4380645_null_hero_hed

The Don is light years ahead of his time ...

IIran has vowed harsh retaliation, raising fears of an all-out war. U.S. President Donald Trump says he ordered the strike to prevent a conflict.

unfortunately we might all be dead , before we see his light.

[andgar923]

sounds like a expert on government military objectives. :rolleyes:

No just common sense and well... reading expert's opinions on the matter over partisan hacks :confusedshrug:

[CelticBaller]

Nothing will happen

This like the 100th WW3 false flag

[Patrick Chewing]

Nothing will happen

This like the 100th WW3 false flag


This.


I mean, people forget that Russia had nukes pointed at us in Cuba at one point. Cuba!

[Long Duck Dong]

Another edition of Andgar unhinged :oldlol:

OP is the Dreamer version of Rose McGowan

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/693/286/b87.jpg

So delusional that she's pleading with a nation where women are forced to cover up by state mandated dress codes and hold lesser value than men, and saying she's the one in a terrorist regime who can't escape the most open and free nation on Earth. :facepalm

[andgar923]

Another edition of Andgar unhinged :oldlol:

OP is the Dreamer version of Rose McGowan

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/693/286/b87.jpg

So delusional that she's pleading with a nation where women are forced to cover up by state mandated dress codes and hold lesser value than men, and saying she's the one in a terrorist regime who can't escape the most open and free nation on Earth. :facepalm

Well she's just as much of an idiot as you and other Trumptards.

[Long Duck Dong]

Well she's just as much of an idiot as you and other Trumptards.

[QUOTE=andgar923]Iran will attack us in every way.

They

[warriorfan]

Op secretly wishes WWIII to start so he can have more orange man bad talking points.

[rufuspaul]

Obama killed a US citizen in Yemen with a drone and no one batted an eye. Trump kills an international terrorist and the Left goes insane. SMH

[sammichoffate]

Obama killed a US citizen in Yemen with a drone and no one batted an eye. Trump kills an international terrorist and the Left goes insane. SMHThat US citizen didn't have a position of power in a foreign government, we basically killed their Secretary of Defense/State. Trump also didn't consult with Congress. People need to stop labelling others who disagree with them them left/right, it's irrelevant when you start talking about military affairs.

[Patrick Chewing]

That US citizen didn't have a position of power in a foreign government, we basically killed their Secretary of Defense/State. Trump also didn't consult with Congress. People need to stop labelling others who disagree with them them left/right, it's irrelevant when you start talking about military affairs.

I love your fake outrage to this and it's quite comical. We all know full well that if a Democrat was in office and carried this out, you'd be jumping up and down the streets with joy like the monkeys you are. And you know how we know this is true? Cause you didn't bat an eye then when Obama killed a US CITIZEN and you aren't batting an eye now when we catch you clowns in your hypocrisy.

[sammichoffate]

I love your fake outrage to this and it's quite comical. We all know full well that if a Democrat was in office and carried this out, you'd be jumping up and down the streets with joy like the monkeys you are. And you know how we know this is true? Cause you didn't bat an eye then when Obama killed a US CITIZEN and you aren't batting an eye now when we catch you clowns in your hypocrisy.You have no idea what you're talking about lmao. When did I ever say that I was a democrat? Find me a post. I'll wait. Also, when did I ever say that drone strikes in general were okay? A few months ago I said that I wasn't in favor of them after and you were still calling me a retarded liberal:

https://i.postimg.cc/zv2XJ7Bm/2020-01-04-14-46-36-Window.png

You're fighting against an eternal boogieman in your ****ed up head, I think you need your alzheimer's medication.

[Patrick Chewing]

You have no idea what you're talking about lmao. When did I ever say that I was a democrat? Find me a post. I'll wait. Also, when did I ever say that drone strikes in general were okay? A few months ago I said that I wasn't in favor of them after and you were still calling me a retarded liberal:

https://i.postimg.cc/zv2XJ7Bm/2020-01-04-14-46-36-Window.png

You're fighting against an eternal boogieman in your ****ed up head, I think you need your alzheimer's medication.


Sure, sure, you're not Democrats when we pose the hypothetical of a Democrat in office rather than a Republican. I guess this board is full of Conservatives and.......Independents?? All this Trump hate coming from the Green Party section of the board. :lol


Actually, all kidding aside, you strike me as Libertarian. Like that flip-flopper Rand Paul. He never knows where to stand. He believes in turning our back to the world and saying, "Let them deal with it."

We tried that "Let them deal with it" philosophy while Germany was advancing troops throughout Europe and look who had to come in to save the day in the end. So yeah, that philosophy is a poor and stupid one.

[rufuspaul]

Lol at the Iranians now threatening Israel. Yeah, go ahead and provoke them. They'll take out a shit ton more than a few generals.

[highwhey]

Lol at the Iranians now threatening Israel. Yeah, go ahead and provoke them. They'll take out a shit ton more than a few generals.
Israelis are ruthless. :eek:

[sammichoffate]

Sure, sure, you're not Democrats when we pose the hypothetical of a Democrat in office rather than a Republican. I guess this board is full of Conservatives and.......Independents?? All this Trump hate coming from the Green Party section of the board. :lol


Actually, all kidding aside, you strike me as Libertarian. Like that flip-flopper Rand Paul. He never knows where to stand. He believes in turning our back to the world and saying, "Let them deal with it."

We tried that "Let them deal with it" philosophy while Germany was advancing troops throughout Europe and look who had to come in to save the day in the end. So yeah, that philosophy is a poor and stupid one.The only candidate that I care about this year is Tulsi, the Democrats are all ****ing incompetent at getting their coalitions together. I know this might be a bit hard for you to understand, but the posters on here don't like Trump because he's not rational, not because he's a Republican president.

I'm not a libertarian, but good try. I've posted about my opinion on Hong Kong and how we should ignore it unless it escalates into something that we can justify using force against, you should read about it. You strike me as someone who hates the government when it tries to help domestic affairs, but loves pouring billions into the military every year because of fox news.

That was 80 years ago, that's irrelevant. I can see why you like war so much if you're referencing shit that's outdated. We can't go one decade without going into another war, you Trumpanzees were giving Hillary shit in 2016 for possibly going to war with Iran and now you're sucking Trump off for doing the same thing? I'm done talking to you lol.

[bladefd]

I trust that those who have said a war with Iran would be swift and easy are trolling. A full scale confrontation with Iran won't simply end when the current Iranian regime is toppled; recent history chronicling or escapades in the region should have long dispelled that notion. Troops would have to remain in the country and in the region long term to establish some semblance of stability and to deal with new terrorist organizations and cells that pop up in the aftermath of the conflict. We would have to figure out how to help a new Iranian regime rebuild and secure their oil. Oil prices would increase. It would be messy and would require several years of continued US involvement. Moreover, the current administration has burned bridges with all of our traditional allies. It is highly unlikely Europe will make any serious commitment to join us... all while Russia, China and Saudi Arabia would be planning how to capitalize.

We should have long recognized that a successful campaign in the middle east requires more than putting up a banner and declaring victory... otherwise we wouldn't still find ourselves in Iraq.

NO, YOU ARE WRONG. MY KING TRUMP WOULD DO THINGS DIFFERENTLY!!!! He is Jesus reincarnate. All he has to do is say to Iran "And thou shalt be good and stable" and Iran would become stable. Trump is a god who is perfectly good morally so everyone does what he says. Even Europe would join us because why wouldn't they join Jesus??

:coleman:


(good luck trying to convince Trumpeters that Trump does not think through anything he says or does. He does whatever he feels like doing whenever he feels like it. If he pushes a war down our throats, Trumpeters will automatically come to his defense.. They won't admit that going to war requires you to deal with the unexpected consequences that are costly and time-consuming. Iraq war cost over 3 trillion dollars and Afghanistan was over a trillion dollars last I checked & the meter is still running. Those 2 wars will probably end up costing 5 to 6 trillion ultimately. Iran would cost around 5 trillion by itself and bring even more costly long-term instability to the region and terrorism to the USA/Europe/Asia)

[Patrick Chewing]

The only candidate that I care about this year is Tulsi, the Democrats are all ****ing incompetent at getting their coalitions together. I know this might be a bit hard for you to understand, but the posters on here don't like Trump because he's not rational, not because he's a Republican president.

I'm not a libertarian, but good try. I've posted about my opinion on Hong Kong and how we should ignore it unless it escalates into something that we can justify using force against, you should read about it. You strike me as someone who hates the government when it tries to help domestic affairs, but loves pouring billions into the military every year because of fox news.

That was 80 years ago, that's irrelevant. I can see why you like war so much if you're referencing shit that's outdated. We can't go one decade without going into another war, you Trumpanzees were giving Hillary shit in 2016 for possibly going to war with Iran and now you're sucking Trump off for doing the same thing? I'm done talking to you lol.


Supporting the military, killing terrorists, improving the economy, improving job numbers, getting hostages back, forming new and better trade deals, pulling troops out of certain areas overseas, etc, etc, are all signs of irrationality??

Meanwhile, the opposing side wants to sue gun manufacturers when a gun is used to kill someone, take away our rights to own certain guns, abort fully born babies, allow anyone and everyone into this country and give them a license, allow them to vote, and give them reparations, censor free speech, etc. etc.

But yeah, that Trump guy is a menace.

[imdaman99]

[QUOTE=rufuspaul]We kill a murderous asshole and the libs go nuts. You can

[PickernRoller]

I see the kids have yet to get a passing grade on geopolitics. But it would be actually retarded to expect more on ISH.

High probability of eviction soon. Tomorrow we'll know...

As for the revenge..... from what I'm getting... Donny's throwing all kinds of deals out there on the swiss express to calm the Iranians. He might be right by the time all of this ends, as he himself will cave to a deal - not offered by him but to him. Iranians are sitting pretty listening to offers now. Election year coming up - driver's seat. It can take months for Iran to prepare an assassination on an American general outside the M.E. There will however be smaller fireworks for the attentive masses to satisfy their thirst for action for the time being. After all, Suleimani wasn't the only one killed, and the toll is currently on an unbalanced disparity. The big one however, that one will take some time, if proportional is the play - which I'm sure it's. Donny making a Carter-like mistake. Shouldn't have Mossad assets in your national security council and close personal/family circle. You pay the price, sooner or later. Although I'm sure Trump values a lot of others things much more than his job. Projecting the value of the job onto him is bad taste on my part I guess.

[CelticBaller]

Wait a second, I was under the impression this man fought ISIS. That makes him good in my books, however I would like to read the sources of all the other things that you claim make him 'a murderous asshole'. Maybe you're more knowledgeable on all the things that are going on the middle east than the rest of us are. Got a vacation home over there?
Lmao so ISIS are the only muslim extremist now? :lol

[Hawker]

Wait a second, I was under the impression this man fought ISIS. That makes him good in my books, however I would like to read the sources of all the other things that you claim make him 'a murderous asshole'. Maybe you're more knowledgeable on all the things that are going on the middle east than the rest of us are. Got a vacation home over there?

I gotta say I agree here - would love a source of attacks against Americans that he is responsible for.

Hard to find a reputable source at the moment that would actually bring it up to represent the other side instead of fake outrage like "omgz Trump didn't consult Congress."

[Hawker]

Sure, sure, you're not Democrats when we pose the hypothetical of a Democrat in office rather than a Republican. I guess this board is full of Conservatives and.......Independents?? All this Trump hate coming from the Green Party section of the board. :lol


Actually, all kidding aside, you strike me as Libertarian. Like that flip-flopper Rand Paul. He never knows where to stand. He believes in turning our back to the world and saying, "Let them deal with it."

We tried that "Let them deal with it" philosophy while Germany was advancing troops throughout Europe and look who had to come in to save the day in the end. So yeah, that philosophy is a poor and stupid one.

There are numerous failed war attempts since WWII that go against your position.

And dont forget - the US was "impartial" but still providing resources to the allies.

You cannot in a previous post say, "omg that was 50 years ago" to Vietnam" and then bring even an OLDER example later in the thread to support your own opinion.

I think it's silly to judge this particular event as something that will lead us to another middle east war.

Let's also keep in mind what Joe Biden, the democrat front runner, said in 1996 an attack on US barracks would be an act of war by Iran:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_SY97-t39A&feature=emb_title

[falc39]

Supporting the military, killing terrorists, improving the economy, improving job numbers, getting hostages back, forming new and better trade deals, pulling troops out of certain areas overseas, etc, etc, are all signs of irrationality??


Lol you are so delusional

[FultzNationRISE]

Another edition of Andgar unhinged :oldlol:

OP is the Dreamer version of Rose McGowan

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/001/693/286/b87.jpg

So delusional that she's pleading with a nation where women are forced to cover up by state mandated dress codes and hold lesser value than men, and saying she's the one in a terrorist regime who can't escape the most open and free nation on Earth. :facepalm


This is exactly it.

Foreign policy discussion here, none of us really know or are qualified on.

The social reality tho, is that outcasts and self loathers in society have made it their perpetual preoccupation to attention whore themselves into positions of heroism.

Someone tells an unPC joke, and the whole city of Portland puts on military garb and claims theyre now soldiers fighting a war on fascism.

Hollywood d-list celebs desperate to be relevant are rolling around on the ground before minority groups for show, hoping their shameless theatrics will engender some kind of image of enlightenment and genuine intellectual esteem.

People like OP running around screaming “ITS HAPPENING!!!! WW3 is on!!! ORANGE MAN DUN DID IT THIS TIME!!!!!”



This reminds me of a phenomenon in the animal kingdom called savaging, where mothers animals, often under the stress of domestic living conditions, will turn against even their own babies and try to harm them. It’s the most counter intuitive thing in nature and yet it happens under stress.

In such an oversocialized society as ours, the left are struggling badly to find reason and purpose and identity. Theyre becoming completely unhinged and hating their own country and their own people. They have a social illness that theyre self-diagnosing as some kind of arbitrary righteousness.

It’s a sad state where things have gotten. These people are freaks in crisis. And theyre a danger to everyone.

[Shogon]

You say we don't know but the truth is we're carrying out Israeli foreign policy goals for the region.

Why that is, I don't know. But that's what it is.

Is it really just oil? The world is poised to move away from oil for transportation purposes within the next 20 years, if I had to guess. Though there's always plastic, etc.

[Patrick Chewing]

Lol you are so delusional


Delusional? All these things took place. No delusion there. Find another insult to hurl at me instead cause I support Trump.

[qrich]

Man, the way the Dems and Media are tripping over this reminds me of Net Neutrality killing the interwebs :roll:

[CelticBaller]

Man, the way the Dems and Media are tripping over this reminds me of Net Neutrality killing the interwebs :roll:
Lmao I forgot about that. That shit really was a big nothingburger :lol

[falc39]

Delusional? All these things took place. No delusion there. Find another insult to hurl at me instead cause I support Trump.

You're an idiot and a fake conservative. The economy is doing well because a bunch of cheap money is being pumped into it. Exactly what Obama was doing (did you support it then?). Trade wars have been a complete failure. Deficit is exploding. But yay, we killing the baddies!!! The only thing your simpleton mind can comprehend.

[QUOTE]POMPEO, TODAY: "People not only in Iraq, but in Iran, will view the American action last night as giving them freedom"

ARI FLEISCHER, 2003:

[Patrick Chewing]

You're an idiot and a fake conservative. The economy is doing well because a bunch of cheap money is being pumped into it. Exactly what Obama was doing (did you support it then?). Trade wars have been a complete failure. Deficit is exploding. But yay, we killing the baddies!!! The only thing your simpleton mind can comprehend.



Trump letting neocons running around rampant in his organization lol


2020 will be a tough year for you people.

[FultzNationRISE]

Trump letting neocons running around rampant in his organization lol


Well, this is whom hes surrounded by in Washington. He cant go to Dems for help.

What’s he supposed to do without allies? What are you expecting him to do exactly. That’s what I dont get.

You and me cant go to Washington to back him up. We could make our voices heard other ways. We could put our money where our mouths are and use economic mite to send messages.

You want some Blades of Freedom bro?

Let’s do it.

Otherwise what is your solution?

Blades of Freedom is a REAL, tea party type solution.

If you aint coppin none... what is there to discuss!?

[RRR3]

Poor starface. Snake Oil Donny had him CONVINCED things were gonna be different this time. Nope, just another sleazy, corrupt warmongering politician, and a particularly bad one at that. Can’t say we didn’t warn y’all...

[falc39]

[QUOTE=FultzNationRISE]Well, this is whom hes surrounded by in Washington. He cant go to Dems for help.

What

[RRR3]

You always do this, you have had similar replies before. He's the commander in chief, don't try to make him seem helpless now. Maybe don't focus on China when it comes to the economy and instead on our own problems? Maybe don't outwardly pressure the Fed to lower interest rates. Maybe stick to saying the things he was saying when he was campaigning? I could go on and on but it's a waste of time because I know it's not going to make a difference in what your next reply to me will be.
I like how he keeps trying to sell you his shitty ass razors too :oldlol:

It’s obvious he has a ridiculous amount of razors he can’t get rid of.

[falc39]

2020 will be a tough year for you people.

Makes no difference to me, never liked any of the presidents around since I could vote when Bush II took his first term, so I'm actually used to disappointment now. It's all of Americans loss. It's people like you who will have a hard time when you realize your fantasies aren't true and America will be broke for generations to come with shitty infrastructure to boot.

[qrich]

Lmao I forgot about that. That shit really was a big nothingburger :lol

Those were some fun times.

Someone should bump those threads for the luls

[FultzNationRISE]

You always do this, you have had similar replies before. He's the commander in chief, don't try to make him seem helpless now. Maybe don't focus on China when it comes to the economy and instead on our own problems? Maybe don't outwardly pressure the Fed to lower interest rates. Maybe stick to saying the things he was saying when he was campaigning? I could go on and on but it's a waste of time because I know it's not going to make a difference in what your next reply to me will be.


So if all the military generals and foreign policy “experts” in Washington with decades of experience tell him he needs to strike, or HE’S endangering Americans, he’s supposed to say:

“Guys. Guys... Hold on. Just stop right there. Imma play a hunch and go the other way on this. I have no background in this area, but Imma do me. So talk to the hand, cuz the Trump dont wannna hear it!”

He’s supposed to say that to all of his advisors and generals with a lifetime of experience? (who are still corrupt but can leverage the threat of terrorism to compel him to act).


IMO youre rather naive about the realities of being a Prez in Washington.

People wanna sit there and wait for a hero. Fine, go ahead and wait, and be always disapponted.

Im telling you we as a collective citizenry need to do OUR part, and show a litle more balls.

But if you wanna blame Trump, blame Trump. Then either he wins another term and you can keep complaining, or a Dem will win, do the same things, and you can keep complaining.

Hey. Do you. :confusedshrug:

[TheMan]

I USED to side with Liberals on most issues but holy shit has the Left lost its mind :facepalm

A POS gets bombed to kingdom come and the Left can't see that it's a good thing, instead they are going around like a hysterical chicken with it's head cut off...

There isn't gonna be a WWIII, Iran ain't stupid enough to go head to head against the USA. :oldlol:

Some dude famously said..."I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me".

[RRR3]

I USED to side with Liberals on most issues but holy shit has the Left lost its mind :facepalm

A POS gets bombed to kingdom come and the Left can't see that it's a good thing, instead they are going around like a hysterical chicken with it's head cut off...

There isn't gonna be a WWIII, Iran ain't stupid enough to go head to head against the USA. :oldlol:

Some dude famously said..."I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me".
We don’t want you anyways.

Go join the Trumptards where your bigoted ass belongs.

Bye, Felicia.

[falc39]

So if all the military generals and foreign policy “experts” in Washington with decades of experience tell him he needs to strike, or HE’S endangering Americans, he’s supposed to say:

“Guys. Guys... Hold on. Just stop right there. Imma play a hunch and go the other way on this. I have no background in this area, but Imma do me. So talk to the hand, cuz the Trump dont wannna hear it!”

He’s supposed to say that to all of his advisors and generals with a lifetime of experience? (who are still corrupt but can leverage the threat of terrorism to compel him to act).


IMO youre rather naive about the realities of being a Prez in Washington.

People wanna sit there and wait for a hero. Fine, go ahead and wait, and be always disapponted.

Im telling you we as a collective citizenry need to do OUR part, and show a litle more balls.

But if you wanna blame Trump, blame Trump. Then either he wins another term and you can keep complaining, or a Dem will win, do the same things, and you can keep complaining.

Hey. Do you. :confusedshrug:

Well, when you surround yourself with certain people and then they all advise you a certain way..... it still kinda comes back to you. You gotta admit there has to be at least some blame. When it comes to the warmongering thing, I am not that mad with Trump, I doubt he can be as bad as Bush. I've always been a lot more critical of him with his (and by his, I mean his whole administration) actions on the economy, which to me are far worse.

At the end of the day, I am doing what I always did, just less of it because I am more busy now. Doesn't matter if it's a dem or republican, etc. You said it best when you mentioned arguing with mindless supporters, the "not intelligent human beings, these are mouth foaming animals". I just really don't care which side they are on.

[FultzNationRISE]

Well, when you surround yourself with certain people and then they all advise you a certain way..... it still kinda comes back to you. You gotta admit there has to be at least some blame. When it comes to the warmongering thing, I am not that mad with Trump, I doubt he can be as bad as Bush. I've always been a lot more critical of him with his (and by his, I mean his whole administration) actions on the economy, which to me are far worse.

At the end of the day, I am doing what I always did, just less of it because I am more busy now. Doesn't matter if it's a dem or republican, etc. You said it best when you mentioned arguing with mindless supporters, the "not intelligent human beings, these are mouth foaming animals". I just really don't care which side they are on.


Okay, so you disapprove of Trump.

Then what?

Like, what are you proposing to be done...?

Youre unlikely to be pleased with the outcome of 2020 either way. So the upcoming election wont help.

So what next?

What is it that you want people on the right, the left, or anywhere to DO?

Let’s say everything youre suggesting is correct.

What should we DO?


This is the most important part of the countless hours we all collectively spend on here bickering.

What exactly are you proposing we DO!?

[imdaman99]

I USED to side with Liberals on most issues but holy shit has the Left lost its mind :facepalm

A POS gets bombed to kingdom come and the Left can't see that it's a good thing, instead they are going around like a hysterical chicken with it's head cut off...

There isn't gonna be a WWIII, Iran ain't stupid enough to go head to head against the USA. :oldlol:

Some dude famously said..."I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me".
Hey dude, what exactly makes him a piece of shit? You have some insider info on him that I don't? Let me know.

[CelticBaller]

Hey dude, what exactly makes him a piece of shit? You have some insider info on him that I don't? Let me know.
Well, for one he helps the Syrian dictator kill Syrian citizens with Iran funded terrorist groups :confusedshrug:

He also helps stage the Yemen civil war

[imdaman99]

Well, for one he helps the Syrian dictator kill Syrian citizens with Iran funded terrorist groups :confusedshrug:

He also helps stage the Yemen civil war
Well I read from someone over there, from someone locally there that he fought in Iraq and Syria by their own government invitation against ISIS, al nusrah and others. He helped Kurdish fighters militarily and tried to maintain Assad's government in Syria against foreign invaders. He defended shi'ite holy city Karbala against invaders.

These are not my words, I'm not seeing anything negative so far. He also did support Iraqi militia groups that fought the US so finally a flag. I'm hearing Israel wanted him dead, so of course you can choose to support his killing for that. But that's not enough for me.

Also where is the proof that Syria gassed and killed it's own people. Were you watching with binoculars or a telescope?

[qrich]

Man, this thread is absolutely hilarious.


Of course so that all the millionaires can make more money off their tax savings , while we can get a tank of gas....
good thinking.

They aren't "making more," they are keeping more of what they earn.

As it should be. No one should be punished for what they make.


the world is better now that he's gone.

:applause:


That US citizen didn't have a position of power in a foreign government, we basically killed their Secretary of Defense/State. Trump also didn't consult with Congress. People need to stop labelling others who disagree with them them left/right, it's irrelevant when you start talking about military affairs.

So the murder of that US Citizen under 44 should be ignored since they weren't in any sort of power position?


Lol at the Iranians now threatening Israel. Yeah, go ahead and provoke them. They'll take out a shit ton more than a few generals.

Yeah, that's a horrible move. Israel has plenty of weaponry stashed just north of Iran in the shithole nation of Azerbaijan.

[CelticBaller]

Well I read from someone over there, from someone locally there that he fought in Iraq and Syria by their own government invitation against ISIS, al nusrah and others. He helped Kurdish fighters militarily and tried to maintain Assad's government in Syria against foreign invaders. He defended shi'ite holy city Karbala against invaders.

These are not my words, I'm not seeing anything negative so far. He also did support Iraqi militia groups that fought the US so finally a flag. I'm hearing Israel wanted him dead, so of course you can choose to support his killing for that. But that's not enough for me.

Also where is the proof that Syria gassed and killed it's own people. Were you watching with binoculars or a telescope?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/01/02/iran-qassem-soleimani-dead/?arc404=true

Literally one article of plenty. This guy wasn

[Patrick Chewing]

Hey dude, what exactly makes him a piece of shit? You have some insider info on him that I don't? Let me know.


As a Muslim, you should know the Muslims who harm and kill other Muslims.