Can the Middle East be unf.ucked?

[Shogon]

Is it even possible at this point?


If we leave entirely, which I want to, will that solve anything or will it just make things worse?

You can't instill cultures and build nations. It has to be organic. It has to be the actual will of the people. But now that we're there, won't the shit just really hit the fan?

I don't... like... what's even the solution? Is there one? What's the least bad option at this point?

[qrich]

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[FultzNationRISE]

Is it even possible at this point?


If we leave entirely, which I want to, will that solve anything or will it just make things worse?

You can't instill cultures and build nations. It has to be organic. It has to be the actual will of the people. But now that we're there, won't the shit just really hit the fan?

I don't... like... what's even the solution? Is there one? What's the least bad option at this point?


The world is unsolvable.

There is no universal peace and harmony. Only competing factions.

You wanna join forces with me?

You know what you need to shave with.

Otherwise you are in my way and I must eventually destroy you.

[Shogon]

The world is unsolvable.

There is no universal peace and harmony. Only competing factions.

You wanna join forces with me?

You know what you need to shave with.

Otherwise you are in my way and I must destroy you.

:roll:

Even you must admit the Middle East is next level "unsolvable."

[CelticBaller]

Yeah it can. Europe

[coin24]

Everyone get the troops out of there, let all the christians migrate elsewhere if they wish and leave that whole area as the Muslim paradise. Let's see how peaceful they really are then:cheers:

[kurple]

Yes if America stops stealing their resources

[Kblaze8855]

Not in the short term. But humans aren’t built to consider how brief our time here is.

We generally consider the world to be what we have seen and what tv was around to record....

Once you get just a little outside of living memory the Middle East was no more ****ed than a lot of other places.

I don’t know what it’s gonna take but eventually whatever it is will happen.

History suggests such changes come through war but it’s hard to predict.

It’s ground zero of the old book influenced psychos who have generally been a problem no matter what they call themselves at the time. Be it the Muslims or the Christians. Someone feels a need to make you believe what they believe....or die. Someone has to civilize the “savages” and save the non believers.....

Not shocking that in the place they take that nonsense most serious there would be long lasting trouble.

I wish we could peek into a world where there never was a “holy land” for all this to branch off from. I’m sure some other system of belief would have risen and maybe South America is the epicenter or perhaps one of the Asian ones gain more influence....but still.

I’d like to see it. How much worse could it have turned out?

But we are stuck with what we have. And what we have over there is believers who do not **** around with it. Someone willing to die for what they believe is hard to deal with. Add the politics, oil, and us against the world aspect?

We are probably gonna have trouble in that area for hundreds of years to come.

[CelticBaller]

Yes if America stops stealing their resources

[andgar923]

Is it even possible at this point?


If we leave entirely, which I want to, will that solve anything or will it just make things worse?

You can't instill cultures and build nations. It has to be organic. It has to be the actual will of the people. But now that we're there, won't the shit just really hit the fan?

I don't... like... what's even the solution? Is there one? What's the least bad option at this point?

Its complicated af.

We've created a mess that we can't fix. If we stay we're now more f*cked than ever before. If we leave we're vulnerable and we lose presence in the area which turns the world upside down.

Some are stating "let them figure shit out" which sounds great if you're a 12 year old sitting at home. But the consequences are deadly and leaving waring factions/groups unchecked create worldwide consequences. Governments get toppled, dictators that are against our and our allie's interests will prop up, terrorism worldwide will rise, etc.

One of the main reasons our presence is essential is to create and maintain intel sources and communications.

I can keep going on and on.

And again for those stating "not our problem" this shit WILL hit us at home on multiple accounts. Oil prices go up which leads to a shit ton of financial chaos, one huge result is unemployment for starters.

[Jasper]

Kblaze has some very good talking points.

Most middle east countries the civilians are living in 3rd world ways..
Great governments huh

America leaving the area would make us look like villains.
problem is it costs us money as well as human life staying in the east.

problem is most Americans think other countries should be like 'us'

How do I know , I have conversed with euro's and most think we are very
loud , brackish and we don't represent our country very well.
Some say why do people say they are African Americans , or Latino Americans..
Who cares :confusedshrug: , if they appreciate their heritage good for them ..
It makes America a melting pot of eclectic people , and hopefully one day our whole world will be the same!

[imdaman99]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwZWEPZCMAEecw1.jpg
Yeah I'd like to see anyone try :lol

[highwhey]

it's fvcked?

[Shogon]

it's fvcked?

No, it's not. I don't know what I was thinking. Everyone over there is completely level headed, non violent, and they all love each other. It's significantly better than the States. Maybe you should move there.

Israel + Iran + Iraq + Syria + etc = nothing but love, peace and joy.

[highwhey]

No, it's not. I don't know what I was thinking. Everyone over there is completely level headed, non violent, and they all love each other. It's significantly better than the States. Maybe you should move there.

Israel + Iran + Iraq + Syria + etc = nothing but love, peace and joy.
i've considered it, they don't have racist cops. but then i'd have to worry about randome drone strikes from america.

[tpols]

wait... you think top countries go there to "un**** it"?

:roll:

if anything they want it ****ed. Easier to control. All about the money.

[tpols]

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]
I wish we could peek into a world where there never was a

[CelticBaller]

i've considered it, they don't have racist cops. but then i'd have to worry about randome drone strikes from america.
You do realize Arabs still do slavery right? The moment you step foot in there they will have you working in some fields :lol

[highwhey]

You do realize Arabs still do slavery right? The moment you step foot in there they will have you working on some fields :lol
i'd be the one running the fields, #1 poppy producer in the region :pimp:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

There's destined to be strife between Dajjal and his enemies in the end times.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Draft Chewing First.

[TheMan]

i've considered it, they don't have racist cops. but then i'd have to worry about randome drone strikes from america.
Don't be an idiot.

The minute some crazy radical Islamist figures out that you're a Christian US citizen, you'll be starring in one of those videos where your head gets chopped off :lol

The Middle East is fukked up and you'd be a moron to even go off on vacay in that shit hole.

[tomtucker]

not as long as they follow the pedofile fake prophet that is muhammed


Roses are red
Violets are blue
Aisha was 9
Muhammed was 52

[tomtucker]

Don't be an idiot.

The minute some crazy radical Islamist figures out that you're a Christian US citizen, you'll be starring in one of those videos where your head gets chopped off :lol

The Middle East is fukked up and you'd be a moron to even go off on vacay in that shit hole.
you seen the video of the 2 girls that went on a tent trip to Morocco ?

[coin24]

i've considered it, they don't have racist cops. but then i'd have to worry about randome drone strikes from america.


Don't let your dreams be dreams!! Do it:cheers:

[AirBonner]

The only way to unfvck the middle east is to bring them into the modern times. Which they refuse to do. Food, water, agriculture, modern cities and amenities. This would unfvck them.

[Rooster]

Yes if America stops stealing their resources


We are not stealing shit from them. You have to understand the dynamics of our policy and relationship with Saudi because its too powerful to let it go. If you ask why US? Because we figure out the game before anyone else and any of those big countries will take over if we soften up.

[FKAri]

Define un****ed. If you mean get them to stop hating us? Sure. But it would require us to significantly weaken ourselves so it's not happening unless someone else forces us to.

[CelticBaller]

Define un****ed. If you mean get them to stop hating us? Sure. But it would require us to significantly weaken ourselves so it's not happening unless someone else forces us to.
How about peace among each other? Like the Americas and Europe?

[FKAri]

How about peace among each other? Like the Americas and Europe?
Peace between American and The Middle East or amongst the Middle Eastern countries themselves? The Middle East governments don't really hate us except for Palestine and Iran.

[CelticBaller]

Peace between American and The Middle East or amongst the Middle Eastern countries themselves? The Middle East governments don't really hate us except for Palestine and Iran.
Middle eastern countries.

The moment we leave they will just start bombing each other over which version of Islam is the correct one

Not that I am against that. Honestly, if they could do that they will eventually end up reaching a Renaissance and leave all that shit behind

[FKAri]

Middle eastern countries.

The moment we leave they will just start bombing each other over which version of Islam is the correct one

Not that I am against that. Honestly, if they could do that they will eventually end up reaching a Renaissance and leave all that shit behind
The entire region could be atheist and the conflicts would remain. The propaganda rhetoric would just need to be reworded. Whether we leave or stay.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

ctballer, You talk about modernity and progress which has some perks of a cozier temporary life, but do you offer any cure for what happens after death?

Because I (and others) for one do not want to burn in a blazing Fire eternally, nor do I want to cease to exist.

I want eternal happiness forever. And that's what Islam offers. And most Middle Easterners agree.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Airbonner, Strong ignorance and truly incorrect.

Having comfy developed cities isn't going to magically cause a cohesive, unified, happy people.

If you look only a few hundred years back, the Middle East was thriving under the Ottoman Caliphate, and if you look even further back, Baghdad was a beacon of civilization during the Golden Age of Islam approximately 700-1000.

The people's hearts need to be united. And for that you need.....

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

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I knew you were not the nicest person in the world, but you actually saying this, whether in jest or not, is straight up psychopathic and should ring off a few huge alarms.

If you can't comprehend the sacredness of life at this age, living wherever you live, then you're a serious threat to the welfare of mankind.

You, and those who think like you, have violent, malicious, hate-filled hearts that are worse than killers. You, qrich, need to be reported to authority ASAP for actually thinking this is remotely acceptable to think or type.

I hope others are protected from your evil.

[CelticBaller]

Reaching a “renaissance” doesn’t mean leaving an entire religion behind. It’s more about being humanistic. Most of Europe is Christian still to this day.

[Nanners]

I knew you were not the nicest person in the world, but you actually saying this, whether in jest or not, is straight up psychopathic and should ring off a few huge alarms.

If you can't comprehend the sacredness of life at this age, living wherever you live, then you're a serious threat to the welfare of mankind.

You, and those who think like you, have violent, malicious, hate-filled hearts that are worse than killers. You, qrich, need to be reported to authority ASAP for actually thinking this is remotely acceptable to think or type.

I hope others are protected from your evil.

I disagree with a lot of your posts, but you are 100% spot on here.

The lack of respect and empathy that many americans (including many in this thread) have for the lives of others is appalling and disgusting. The fact that the majority of the country is able to believe the laughable myth that america is a "force for good", while we overthrow democratically elected governments before breakfast and indiscriminately slaughter thousands of foreigners with drone bombings like were trying to set the high score, will forever boggle my mind.

[Long Duck Dong]

I disagree with a lot of your posts, but you are 100% spot on here.

The lack of respect and empathy that many americans (including many in this thread) have for the lives of others is appalling and disgusting. The fact that the majority of the country is able to believe the laughable myth that america is a "force for good", while we overthrow democratically elected governments before breakfast and indiscriminately slaughter thousands of foreigners with drone bombings like were trying to set the high score, will forever boggle my mind.

Put your atheist ass anywhere in the middle east other than Israel and you will be tortured and killed if the population finds out. The only thing worse than a Jew there is an atheist. Even the women and children there would happily slit your throat but you still hold empathy for them. Not sure if that's stupidity or a virtuous trait.

[Nanners]

Put your atheist ass anywhere in the middle east other than Israel and you will be tortured and killed if the population finds out. The only thing worse than a Jew there is an atheist. Even the women and children there would happily slit your throat but you still hold empathy for them. Not sure if that's stupidity or a virtuous trait.

First of all, I am not an atheist you dumb ****.

Its hilarious that you would suggest that a genocidal theocracy like israel would be a safe haven for atheists... Israel is an apartheid state where 20% of the population (citizens of the wrong religion) are fenced into open air prisons and have virtually zero constitutional rights. The Israeli constitution dictates that all non-jews are third or fourth class citizens.

There are (or were) middle eastern nations that have been FAR more accepting to people of other faiths than Israel. Syria is (or was) a secular state where people of all faiths were treated equally under the law... but that might be a thing of the past now that ISIS terrorists armed and trained by US/Saudi/Israel have turned that country to rubble. The population of lebanon is close to 50/50 between christians and muslim, and their constitution guarantees freedom of religion and full constitutional rights to all religions.

Anyway, what middle easterners think about my beliefs is ultimately irrelevant. I dont think that myself or my government have any business intruding into the affairs of nations on the other side of the planet, and I certainly dont think that my country should kill foreign people just because idiots like you believe that those people want to kill me.

[Long Duck Dong]

First of all, I am not an atheist you dumb ****.

Its hilarious that you would suggest that a genocidal theocracy like israel would be a safe haven for atheists... Israel is an apartheid state where 20% of the population (citizens of the wrong religion) are fenced into open air prisons and have virtually zero constitutional rights. The Israeli constitution dictates that all non-jews are third or fourth class citizens.

There are (or were) middle eastern nations that have been FAR more accepting to people of other faiths than Israel. Syria is (or was) a secular state where people of all faiths were treated equally under the law... but that might be a thing of the past now that ISIS terrorists armed and trained by US/Saudi/Israel turned that country to rubble. The population of lebanon is close to 50/50 between christians and muslim, and their constitution guarantees freedom of religion and full constitutional rights to all religions.

Anyway, what middle easterners believe about my beliefs is ultimately irrelevant. I dont think that myself or my government have any business intruding into the affairs of nations on the other side of the planet, and I certainly dont think that my country should kill foreign people just because idiots like you believe that those people want to kill me.

I think I struck a nerve, I was certain you were an atheist. I can't see you being religious. What religion are you?

Do you seriously believe that there's nations in the middle east more accepting of other faiths, atheists included, than Israel? You cant be that dumb. Israel is the shining example of civility in that entire shithole region.

And I don't think the US should be directly involved in the killing of middle easterners. They already love to murder, rape and pillage one another in such an extreme fashion, dictators there usually provide the most peaceful solution. If the US decides to put one tyrant against another there, I won't lose any sleep over it. They were treating each other like feces before I got here on earth and will be treating each other like garbage long after I'm gone.

[Nanners]

I think I struck a nerve, I was certain you were an atheist. I can't see you being religious. What religion are you?

Do you seriously believe that there's nations in the middle east more accepting of other faiths, atheists included, than Israel? You cant be that dumb. Israel is the shining example of civility in that entire shithole region.

And I don't think the US should be directly involved in the killing of middle easterners. They already love to murder, rape and pillage one another in such an extreme fashion, dictators there usually provide the most peaceful solution. If the US decides to put one tyrant against another there, I won't lose any sleep over it. They were treating each other like feces before I got here on earth and will be treating each other like garbage long after I'm gone.

Yeah, you struck the retard nerve... whenever someone posts a preposterously retarded comment it gets triggered.

Anyway, like I said, my religion is irrelevant. There is absolutely zero justification for the misery and destruction we have unleashed upon millions of innocent civilians in countries like Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan. The fact that you would attempt to justify it by attempting to claim that those people hate me, while holding up a racist apartheid shithole like Israel as an example of civility, proves both your absolute cluelessness and your casual sociopathy (exactly what I was criticizing in my original comment).

If you truly think that all innocent middle easterners are murdering rapists who deserve to die, why dont you go crawl out from behind your keyboard and enlist and go kill some for yourself.

[Long Duck Dong]

Yeah, you struck the retard nerve... whenever someone posts a preposterously retarded comment it gets triggered.

Anyway, like I said, my religion is irrelevant. There is absolutely zero justification for the misery and destruction we have unleashed upon millions of innocent civilians in countries like Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan. The fact that you would attempt to justify it by attempting to claim that those people hate me, while holding up a racist apartheid shithole like Israel as an example of civility, proves both your absolute cluelessness and your casual sociopathy (exactly what I was criticizing in my original comment).

If you truly think that all innocent middle easterners are murdering rapists who deserve to die, why dont you go crawl out from behind your keyboard and enlist and go kill some for yourself.

Like you mentioned a few nations like Iran and Syria, were democratic and civilized 40-50 years ago but what happened? Islam radicals happened. Coptic Christians had lots of Egypt civilized and prosperous. What happened? Islam happened. The only civilized, tolerant place left in the middle East is Israel. And you apparently want Islam to happen to them too. :lol

It really doesn't matter what players come in and out of the middle east. It won't change their desire to kill each other. The very center of their ideology is a warlord. We have very little interest in the middle east anymore so I agree we need to keep out of there. Thank you Trump btw(not perfect but better than his predecessors).

Also, why are you so sensitive about your religion? If you're not an atheist, what are you? That's not an invasive question.

[Nanners]

Like you mentioned a few nations like Iran and Syria, were democratic and civilized 40-50 years ago but what happened? Islam radicals happened. Coptic Christians had lots of Egypt civilized and prosperous. What happened? Islam happened. The only civilized, tolerant place left in the middle East is Israel. And you apparently want Islam to happen to them too. :lol

It really doesn't matter what players come in and out of the middle east. It won't change their desire to kill each other. The very center of their ideology is a warlord. We have very little interest in the middle east anymore so I agree we need to keep out of there. Thank you Trump btw(not perfect but better than his predecessors).

Also, why are you so sensitive about your religion? If you're not an atheist, what are you? That's not an invasive question.

Who exactly do you think created those Islamic radicals? Do you think they just sprung out of the ground like that?

Not only did we directly train/arm many of them (like Bin Ladens al queda and modern ISIS), but when you kill thousands and thousands of innocent people you are going to create so-called "radicals" who hate you with a vengeance. How would you feel if one of your family members was obliterated by a foreign bomb? Would you shower the foreign murderer with love and respect?

The idea that middle easterners only understand warlords is not only idiotic but transparently racist. Libya had the highest standard of living in all of Africa before Obama turned it into a literal slave state. People of all faiths had lived in harmony in Syria for decades prior to the US/Saudi/Israel sending their ISIS goons to lay waste to the country. Iran was briefly a liberal democracy in the 1950s, our CIA overthrew their elected government to re-install the brutal Shah dictatorship... then in the 1980s when the Iranians finally eliminated the Shah, the US helped Iraq acquire and use chemical weapons against Iran... the same chemical weapons that were used as part of our justification for invading Iraq in 2003.

The fact that many clueless americans (like you) can claim that middle easterners want to kill each-other is preposterous given how much influence the US has had with shaping the current situation in the region over the past ~70 years. You are such a clueless dumb **** that you make self-centered idiots the Kardashians look intelligent.

I am not sensitive about my religion, I just dont see how my religion is remotely relevant in a discussion about the morality of the widespread destruction and misery the US has unleashed upon the middle east

[Long Duck Dong]

Who exactly do you think created those Islamic radicals? Do you think they just sprung out of the ground like that?

Not only did we directly train/arm many of them (like Bin Ladens al queda and modern ISIS), but when you kill thousands and thousands of innocent people you are going to create so-called "radicals" who hate you with a vengeance. How would you feel if one of your family members was obliterated by a foreign bomb? Would you shower the foreign murderer with love and respect?

The idea that middle easterners only understand warlords is not only idiotic but transparently racist. Libya had the highest standard of living in all of Africa before Obama turned it into a literal slave state. People of all faiths had lived in harmony in Syria for decades prior to the US/Saudi/Israel sending their ISIS goons to lay waste to the country. Iran was briefly a liberal democracy in the 1950s, our CIA overthrew their elected government to re-install the brutal Shah dictatorship... then in the 1980s when the Iranians finally eliminated the Shah, the US helped Iraq acquire and use chemical weapons against Iran... the same chemical weapons that were used as part of our justification for invading Iraq in 2003.

The fact that many clueless americans (like you) can claim that middle easterners want to kill each-other is preposterous given how much influence the US has had with shaping the current situation in the region over the past ~70 years. You are such a clueless dumb **** that you make self-centered idiots the Kardashians look intelligent.

I am not sensitive about my religion, I just dont see how my religion is remotely relevant in a discussion about the morality of the widespread destruction and misery the US has unleashed upon the middle east


You seem angry but I have to admit, I can't help but find it humorous that some people like yourself always looking to blame others for the direct action of another. Middle easterners killing middle easterns = fault of the US, not the fault of middle easterners. 1+1=3 not 2.

And once again, the most ironic thing is, if we were both sitting in the middle east spouting off our ideologies to the public like we do in this forum, these same people you are attempting to champion, would almost certainly drag your ass off to be stoned long before they even looked at me.

[Nanners]

You seem angry but I have to admit, I can't help but find it humorous that some people like yourself always looking to blame others for the direct action of another. Middle easterners killing middle easterns = fault of the US, not the fault of middle easterners. 1+1=3 not 2.

And once again, the most ironic thing is, if we were both sitting in the middle east spouting off our ideologies to the public like we do in this forum, these same people you are attempting to champion, would almost certainly drag your ass off to be stoned long before they even looked at me.

Yes I am angry... it angers me that so many of my countrymen are hypocritical idiots with complete ignorance to history and the actions taken by their own country, and it angers me that my fellow americans would treat other humans (whose only crime is being born in the wrong country) with such callous disregard.

If they did drag my ass off to be stoned... they would do it because of decades of violent US imperialism cheered on by clueless rubes and/or sociopathic ****tards, like you.

Anyway, if you are going to keep trying to distract from the real issue (decades of US violence and meddling), and continue to attempt to turn this into a discussion about my own personal religion (which is 100% irrelevant) or the fact that I am angry when my countrymen endorse the slaughter of thousands of innocent people every year (since unlike you, I am not an evil ****ing sociopath), then this conversation has probably run its course.

If you really believe a single word you are saying, you should enlist and go kill some middle easterners for yourself... but we both know that wont happen, because you are a ***** ass keyboard warrior who is terrified at the idea of actually putting your money where your retarded mouth is and joining the best equipped fighting force on the planet in our endless battle against impoverished shepherds wielding ak-47s.

[Phong]

Reading the past few comments you'd think that people in the Middle East are too dumb to be held responsible for their own actions. Everything going on there is the fault of the USA, even the Shia-Sunni conflict that has persisted for 1,500 years. :rolleyes:

[Long Duck Dong]

Yes I am angry... it angers me that so many of my countrymen are hypocritical idiots with complete ignorance to history and the actions taken by their own country, and it angers me that my fellow americans would treat other humans (whose only crime is being born in the wrong country) with such callous disregard.

If they did drag my ass off to be stoned... they would do it because of decades of violent US imperialism cheered on by clueless rubes and/or sociopathic ****tards, like you.

Anyway, if you are going to keep trying to distract from the real issue (decades of US violence and meddling), and continue to attempt to turn this into a discussion about my own personal religion (which is 100% irrelevant) or the fact that I am angry when my countrymen endorse the slaughter of thousands of innocent people every year (since unlike you, I am not an evil ****ing sociopath), then this conversation has probably run its course.

If you really believe a single word you are saying, you should enlist and go kill some middle easterners for yourself... but we both know that wont happen, because you are a ***** ass keyboard warrior who is terrified at the idea of actually putting your money where your retarded mouth is and joining the best equipped fighting force on the planet in our endless battle against impoverished shepherds wielding ak-47s.

There's a big diff between wanting to see them die and to being apathetic over their centuries long desire to kill themselves. You can try and see if masculinity shaming will work with me, but....it's not.

You admittedly saying you would blame the US, and people like me, over middle easterners if they were about to kill you is awesome though. You'd be apologizing to them as they reigned rocks upon your soon to be corpse. Too much :lol

We have no use for these people or their land anymore anyway. I think we can all agree we should keep out of there except to protect Israel, the only glimmer of decency, tolerance, progress and open diversity in that entire region.

[Phong]

You admittedly saying you would blame the US, and people like me, over middle easterners if they were about to kill you is awesome though. You'd be apologizing to them as they reigned rocks upon your soon to be corpse. Too much :lolHe'd call you a psychopath and curse you while they're beheading him with a rusty knife. :oldlol:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

Put your atheist ass anywhere in the middle east other than Israel and you will be tortured and killed if the population finds out. The only thing worse than a Jew there is an atheist. Even the women and children there would happily slit your throat but you still hold empathy for them. Not sure if that's stupidity or a virtuous trait.

Wait, you actually believe this?

You actually think that a non Muslim atheist is going to get their throat slit in Arabia?

Just lol. They'll be given tea and sweets because of the hospitality in their culture at least.

And dont take my word for it.

Look up actual people who actually travel there such as Drew Binsky, who is Jewish.

Chris Brown just had a concert in Saudi with really unislamic lyrics ... he was safe.

List goes on.


You are merely projecting your own wicked violent heart upon others whom you don't have any knowledge of nor have met.

You are stereotyping an entire group of human beings and claiming them to be violent when in fact they'd probably realistically live and let live.


I guarantee if a guy like Nanners, who takes care of the crippled, visits UAE Saudi Pakistan Iraq Jordan or Iran ( these countries are mentioned since I been there or know someone from there well) the people will be thrilled and interested in meeting him. They don't hate foreigners or Americans. They hate the aggressive actions of governments.

[Long Duck Dong]

Wait, you actually believe this?

You actually think that a non Muslim atheist is going to get their throat slit in Arabia?



Atheism is literally punishable by death in Saudi Arabia as well as several other middle eastern nations.(I could be wrong but I believe all of the dozen+ nations that punish atheism by death are Muslim dominated) If the street people don't get him with their tribal justice, the government will.

Just stop J$. You've already said on here before that you have no problem with athiests or gays being put to death.

[Nanners]

Just lol. They'll be given tea and sweets because of the hospitality in their culture at least.


This is 100% correct. Most americans (myself included) have a hard time comprehending the level of hospitality and generosity that they are greeted with when they enter the home of a middle easterner (especially Persians). I used to hang out with a group of Persians when I lived in California, and overall they were the most giving and welcoming people I have ever met... and its not even close. The moment I walked into any of my Persian friends homes, they were immediately trying to give me all kinds of tasty foods and drinks, and they would have INSISTED that they give me the shirt off their back if I ever needed it. I have never been to Iran, but if Iran has even a fraction of hospitality I experienced when hanging out with my Persian friends, I have no doubt I would feel totally safe there.

[falc39]

We have no use for these people or their land anymore anyway. I think we can all agree we should keep out of there except to protect Israel, the only glimmer of decency, tolerance, progress and open diversity in that entire region.

You know that’s a complete contradiction, right? It’s been shown many times again and again that when American foreign policy is dictated by Israel that we do the exact opposite of “keeping out of there”.

[Rolando]

You know that’s a complete contradiction, right? It’s been shown many times again and again that when American foreign policy is dictated by Israel that we do the exact opposite of “keeping out of there”.

This is exactly why the Mid East is screwed up to begin with. The US has intentionally destabilized the area so that Israel can continue to grab land and Saudi Arabia can continue to gain influence and control. The whole war on terrorists is something invented to provide a convenient and never-ending excuse to keep the military active and present in these lands. Afghanistan is a perfect example. The US doesn't want to leave there and will not leave there. Same with Iraq. These are permanent deployments. US Tax payers fund this. Israel and Saudi Arabia are the main beneficiaries. In return the US populace continues to have incredibly low fuel prices.

[Stephonit]

The region is home to multiple states with higher per capita GDP than the U.S. What makes you think they have a problem?

It's ridiculous that Americans are so concerned with the Middle East but are blissfully unaware of the depredations going on in their own hemisphere. In a rational world stuff going on in Central America would be bigger news.

Here's something to think about: If you aren't of Middle Eastern descent and aren't related to anyone deployed there yet are invested in the news that comes out of the region it's a sign you've been brainwashed by the media.

[Long Duck Dong]

You know that’s a complete contradiction, right? It’s been shown many times again and again that when American foreign policy is dictated by Israel that we do the exact opposite of “keeping out of there”.

Somewhat of a contradiction but a necessary one. Israel's policies are likewise dictated by America. If it wasn't, they'd show a lot less restraint to those hostile nations that surround them, and would have already brought several to their knees by now.

[PullupJay]

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[tomtucker]

no.... low IQ and inbreeding cannot be un fuked

[falc39]

Somewhat of a contradiction but a necessary one. Israel's policies are likewise dictated by America. If it wasn't, they'd show a lot less restraint to those hostile nations that surround them, and would have already brought several to their knees by now.

If that’s your opinion, then that’s your opinion. But why play both sides? Choose one or the other. Why not own being a neocon? Paying lip service to a non-interventionist stance while completely contradicting it in the same sentence reeks of hypocrisy and in the end makes you lose credibility.

[Stephonit]

Somewhat of a contradiction but a necessary one. Israel's policies are likewise dictated by America. If it wasn't, they'd show a lot less restraint to those hostile nations that surround them, and would have already brought several to their knees by now.

As tough as Israel is they are at a decided disadvantage without the United States on their side.

[CelticBaller]

The region is home to multiple states with higher per capita GDP than the U.S. What makes you think they have a problem?

It's ridiculous that Americans are so concerned with the Middle East but are blissfully unaware of the depredations going on in their own hemisphere. In a rational world stuff going on in Central America would be bigger news.

Here's something to think about: If you aren't of Middle Eastern descent and aren't related to anyone deployed there yet are invested in the news that comes out of the region it's a sign you've been brainwashed by the media.
You have to be a humongous idiot to not see the civil wars, open aggression and constant instability that’s in the Middle East

Not that I care honestly. I’m of the mindset that we should let them do whatever they want and have them figure it out like Europe did before.

[Long Duck Dong]

If thatÂ’s your opinion, then thatÂ’s your opinion. But why play both sides? Choose one or the other. Why not own being a neocon? Paying lip service to a non-interventionist stance while completely contradicting it in the same sentence reeks of hypocrisy and in the end makes you lose credibility.

Credibility from whom? The same people who claim to champion women's rights, LGBTQ rights, religious tolerance and basic western social progress but stick up for these barbarians who spit in the face of all that solely because of their inherent underdog championing complex? Naw, idgaf about receiving their credibility or if they think I'm hypocrite. Lots of hypocrisy to go around here for all. We stick up for our friends and those with similar values, I'm good with that.

[falc39]

Credibility from whom? The same people who claim to champion women's rights, LGBTQ rights, religious tolerance and basic western social progress but stick up for these barbarians who spit in the face of all that solely because of their inherent underdog championing complex? Naw, idgaf about receiving their credibility or if they think I'm hypocrite. Lots of hypocrisy to go around here for all. We stick up for our friends and those with similar values, I'm good with that.

That’s cool, it’s your opinion. But whenever you say anything about supporting the idea of not being involved in the Middle East, just want it to be clear that it is empty words as we know it to be false now.

[Rooster]

The region is home to multiple states with higher per capita GDP than the U.S. What makes you think they have a problem?

It's ridiculous that Americans are so concerned with the Middle East but are blissfully unaware of the depredations going on in their own hemisphere. In a rational world stuff going on in Central America would be bigger news.

Here's something to think about: If you aren't of Middle Eastern descent and aren't related to anyone deployed there yet are invested in the news that comes out of the region it's a sign you've been brainwashed by the media.

LMAO. Middle East is a big part of our political leverage and most importantly economic advantage and that’s the reason that many presidents came and go, hundreds of lawmakers too and one thing remains, our policy in the Middle East.

[GimmeThat]

but then it's crazy to say that profit margin and volume prevents stock crash

[Stephonit]

LMAO. Middle East is a big part of our political leverage and most importantly economic advantage and that’s the reason that many presidents came and go, hundreds of lawmakers too and one thing remains, our policy in the Middle East.

Political leverage? Against whom?

The Middle East is full of prima donnas that have done nothing but puff up their importance to extract support for their feuds.

[Rooster]

Political leverage? Against whom?

The Middle East is full of prima donnas that have done nothing but puff up their importance to extract support for their feuds.

Lol. :facepalm

[Rooster]

Somewhat of a contradiction but a necessary one. Israel's policies are likewise dictated by America. If it wasn't, they'd show a lot less restraint to those hostile nations that surround them, and would have already brought several to their knees by now.

Israel aka the Jews are very clever when it comes to money so they have a lot of influence when it comes to pulling strings behind the scenes. Saudi has an important commodity so they too have a pull and itÂ’s our job to protect that because itÂ’s perpetually give us the leverage to have budget deficit err year and trade deficit with practically everyone. . ItÂ’s all win-win situation for everyone involved. When push comes to shove though like if our national interest is threatened, you can bet both of them will be down on their bended knees.

[MMM]

Is a two State solution even possible for the Israel/Palestine question?

I could see a path for every Palestinian to became an Israeli Arab rather than separate 2states. Maybe something looking like a Belgian model.