MJ basically won with a Caron Butler equivalent sidekick

[AirBonner]

Okay. But that proves how weak the 90

[3ball]

No, it shows why he needed goat stats to win

he's the only player that needed be scoring champ for his team to win

[Vino24]

No, it shows why he needed goat stats to win

he's the only player that needed be scoring champ for his team to win
If you can win with Caron Butler as a 2nd option it proves how weak the competition was

[AlternativeAcc.]

No, it shows why he needed goat stats to win

he's the only player that needed be scoring champ for his team to win
4 rebounds and 2 assists is GOAT stats?

[3ball]

4 rebounds and 2 assists is GOAT stats?
the team that scores more wins the game..

not the team that rebounds or assists more

if you want to take over a game, you score 10 points in a row - who cares if you rebounds 10 shots in a row... :yaohappy:

[highwhey]

4 rebounds and 2 assists is GOAT stats?
:lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

the team that scores more wins the game..

not the team that rebounds or assists more

if you want to take over a game, you score 10 points in a row - who cares if you rebounds 10 shots in a row... :yaohappy:
The team that assists and rebounds more typically scores more

And the team with better defense prevents the other team from scoring

Which means Pippen being the backbone of the defense and main playmaker, he was equally as important as Jordan

Lebron could average 50ppg in he wasnt tasked with being the main playmaker on every team (because hes GOAT at it)

[SouBeachTalents]

the team that scores more wins the game..

not the team that rebounds or assists more

if you want to take over a game, you score 10 points in a row - who cares if you rebounds 10 shots in a row... :yaohappy:
George Karl sure seemed to


Asked about what he did to contain Toni Kukoc tonight, Karl laughed. "Yeah, he kept missing and Rodman kept getting the rebound," Karl said. "Maybe that's a play they were running. Take 20 seconds off, then take another 20 seconds off. Give him credit. He was their m.v.p. tonight

What's more, Karl is thinking seriously of changing his defensive rotation in order that Rodman can be blocked off the boards. "Jordan will get his points, but Rodman's rebounds, that was the difference."

"As I evaluate the series," said Seattle coach George Karl, "Dennis won two basketball games. They got the extra possessions and extra opportunities with the 11 offensive rebounds."

Seattle Coach George Karl: "Dennis Rodman won them two ballgames in this series. Game 2 and tonight, he was the reason they were successful. We controlled Michael Jordan for the most part in the series. We put him on the foul line a lot {where he was 11 for 12 on Sunday night}, but without that he had a pretty mediocre game."

[3ball]

The team that assists and rebounds more typically scores more

And the team with better defense prevents the other team from scoring

Which means Pippen being the backbone of the defense and main playmaker, he was equally as important as Jordan

Lebron could average 50ppg in he wasnt tasked with being the main playmaker on every team (because hes GOAT at it)
pippen was only worth the #7 defense during the 1st three-peat, so his defense was offset by weak defensive help overall - the Bulls faced teams with higher-rated defense in every conference finals and also the 91/92 Finals.

and MJ led the Bulls in assists for most playoff runs - the offense ran through him and he controlled the Bulls' offense

[LAmbruh]

4 rebounds and 2 assists is GOAT stats?
in the diluted 90's it was :yaohappy: :hammertime:

[3ball]

in the diluted 90's it was :yaohappy: :hammertime:
Percentage of team points scored

Jordan - 38% (record carry-job)
Lebron - 29% (teammate matched him)

[bigkingsfan]

Pippen won with a teammate that was 1-9.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Percentage of team points scored

Jordan - 38% (record carry-job)
Lebron - 29% (teammate matched him)
What about points accounted for?

You're essentially penalizing lebron for being a Magic-like playmaker/passer which inevitably lowers his ppg ceiling... just like it did for Magic and Kidd

You celebrate Jordan's lack of GOAT versatility.. it's quite amusing

[3ball]

What about points accounted for?

You're essentially penalizing lebron for being a Magic-like playmaker/passer which inevitably lowers his ppg ceiling... just like it did for Magic and Kidd

You celebrate Jordan's lack of GOAT versatility.. it's quite amusing
a team with 1 main dribbler/1 main assist guy has less TEAM assists and less ball movement in general

otoh, a player that gets 4-7 assists often has high team assists and better ball movement - the best brand of basketball is possible without 1 guy dominating the ball

so high assists from 1 guy means nothing - it's just a style of play with advantages and drawbacks.. the most important thing is timely, efficient scoring, and clutch scoring (they're 2 different things).. MJ owns both

[FireDavidKahn]

No, it shows why he needed goat stats to win

he's the only player that needed be scoring champ for his team to win
MJ never put up "goat stats".

This is what "goat stats" looks like.

https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13590846_f496.jpg

And that was against the team with the most wins in history

[3ball]

MJ never put up "goat stats".

This is what "goat stats" looks like.

https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13590846_f496.jpg

And that was against the team with the most wins in history
41 > 30

by a lot

especially when you consider the pace

and 20 more than 2nd option (carry-job/max defensive attention) is a lot more than equal scoring partner

cool graphics in your pic tho

[Keno]

MJ never put up "goat stats".

This is what "goat stats" looks like.

https://usercontent1.hubstatic.com/13590846_f496.jpg

And that was against the team with the most wins in history

truly remarkable. :bowdown:

[knicksman]

What about points accounted for?

You're essentially penalizing lebron for being a Magic-like playmaker/passer which inevitably lowers his ppg ceiling... just like it did for Magic and Kidd

You celebrate Jordan's lack of GOAT versatility.. it's quite amusing

youre also penalizing jordan for being a team player. He wants his teammates to be happy to increase team morale and exceed their capabilities. We wont sacrifice teamplay for triple doubles so move on. We will never rank lebron ahead of jordan or even top 15 just because of his stats. Teamplay is far far more important for us than stats. Thats how russell won 11. while wilt/oscar/lebron only have a combine 6 rings. You play to win. Only losers care about their stats.

[AlternativeAcc.]

youre also penalizing jordan for being a team player. He wants his teammates to be happy to increase team morale and exceed their capabilities. We wont sacrifice teamplay for triple doubles so move on. We will never rank lebron ahead of jordan or even top 15 just because of his stats. Teamplay is far far more important for us than stats. Thats how russell won 11. while wilt/oscar/lebron only have a combine 6 rings. You play to win. Only losers care about their stats.



It came when Jordan dabbled with the Bulls’ point guard duties for a month or so early in his career.

He soon found himself checking the scoresheet more frequently than a sexually frustrated teenager checks Tinder.

Among other things, MJ wanted to know how close he was to a triple-double at all times.

“The guys at the scorer’s desk let me know what I need,” Jordan said, according to the LA Times.
The Bulls’ assistant coaches also helped wherever they could.

“They keep reminding me when I get back to the huddle,” Jordan said. “They say, ‘You need three more of this. You need four more of that.’”



It was all in an effort to establish the statistical backing he thought his MVP campaign needed.





Agreed

[SouBeachTalents]

Agreed
Let's see the mental gymnastics for that :lol

In b4 6 rangz

[FireDavidKahn]

41 > 30

by a lot

especially when you consider the pace

and 20 more than 2nd option (carry-job/max defensive attention) is a lot more than equal scoring partner

cool graphics in your pic tho
Leading in all major categories for both teams >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 41 points.

[FireDavidKahn]

youre also penalizing jordan for being a team player. He wants his teammates to be happy to increase team morale and exceed their capabilities. We wont sacrifice teamplay for triple doubles so move on. We will never rank lebron ahead of jordan or even top 15 just because of his stats. Teamplay is far far more important for us than stats. Thats how russell won 11. while wilt/oscar/lebron only have a combine 6 rings. You play to win. Only losers care about their stats.
MJ wasn't capable of doing that.

[knicksman]

Agreed

Theres a difference between statpadding for 1 year and statpadding for your whole career. Thats what lebron is coz he knows his rings are too cheap that he would trade all his rings for 1 of jordans rings.

Edit:
And you just agreed with me. LOL At that time, jordan was still a loser.

[knicksman]

MJ wasn't capable of doing that.

ok

[FireDavidKahn]

ok
If he was he would have more triple doubles.

Pretty simple.

[knicksman]

If he was he would have more triple doubles.

Pretty simple.

ok.

[FKAri]

[QUOTE=AirBonner]Okay. But that proves how weak the 90

[72-10]

This is an unfounded claim. Caron Butler did not play defense.

[72-10]

Pippen was the 2nd best wing player of the 90s. Imagine a Caron Butler as the best wing player of your decade. 2EZ :oldlol:

No, he wasn't. Penny Hardaway, Grant Hill, Clyde Drexler, Reggie Miller,

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

Thats what Dirk literally did in 2011 and won against a superteam with 3 top 10 players

Butler was better than Terry but got injured and they had to roll with the inferior player (Jet). Its well acknowledged Dirk had one of the greatest playoff runs of alltime thats the level of play u need..........and what MJ provided year in year out:applause: