"Lebron ball can't co-exist with talented bigs, only spot up shooters"

[LAmbruh]

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[3ball]

would you give MJ any respect if he won rings by teaming up with Hakeem?

[LAmbruh]

would you give MJ any respect if he won rings by teaming up with Hakeem?
no pip no chip

[SouBeachTalents]

would you give MJ any respect if he won rings by teaming up with Hakeem?
Yet you respect Kobe's rings with peak Shaq

[DMAVS41]

would you give MJ any respect if he won rings by teaming up with Hakeem?

According to a list you posted and have argued for...

MJ had 4 of the 10 most talented teams in NBA history for 4 of his rings.

:confusedshrug:

And, the one time he played another team on that list (95 Magic)...he got abused.

[AlternativeAcc.]

According to a list you posted and have argued for...

MJ had 4 of the 10 most talented teams in NBA history for 4 of his rings.

:confusedshrug:

And, the on time he played another team on that list (95 Magic)...he got abused.
Damn

[3ball]

Yet you respect Kobe's rings with peak Shaq
not really

except that he didn't go 2/4.. at least he 3-peated, while Lebron goes 3/7 with wade/bosh and kyrie/love

[DMAVS41]

not really

except that he didn't go 2/4.. at least he 3-peated, while Lebron goes 3/7 with wade/bosh and kyrie/love

He went 3/8 with Shaq actually.

:confusedshrug:

[AlternativeAcc.]

no pip no chip
No pip, no series win

[LAmbruh]

No pip, no series win
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[Mask the Embiid]

would you give MJ any respect if he won rings by teaming up with Hakeem?
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#nopipnochip

[scuzzy]

Kyrie and Davis both having career years alongside Lebron ball


By far the most successful system in the last decade

[tpols]

That's a misclassification.

He hurts post players and anybody that likes to play on ball.

AD luckily incorporates neither of those.

[LAmbruh]

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:lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

:lol
:roll:

[tpols]

He went 3/8 with Shaq actually.

:confusedshrug:


Is anybody gonna deny shaquille n kobes on court chemistry?

Wade and bran may be friends but they didn't fit together. They squeaked out their chips by the sheerest of luck when everybody thought they'd be a GOAT squad.

Kobe & Shaq led a dynasty and an all time great run, 01.

[3ball]

He went 3/8 with Shaq actually.

:confusedshrug:
but three-peated

so achieved that peak level of dominance...

meanwhile, the "not 6, not 7" expectation turned into a bunch of excuses..

Lebron's entire career is an excuse - I don't know how he's even top 10

[DMAVS41]

Is anybody gonna deny shaquille n kobes on court chemistry?

Wade and bran may be friends but they didn't fit together. They squeaked out their chips by the sheerest of luck.

Kobe & Shaq led a dynasty and an all time great run, 01.

I'm simply using the criteria of the person I'm responding to. It is a fun game I play.

I let him set all the rules of engagement...and then use his own criteria against him.

So when he says "you shouldn't respect Lebron if he wins with AD because it is like if MJ won with Hakeem"...then he's reminded that he gives Kobe maxium credit for winning with a player as good or better than Hakeem during those years.

Then he shifts and says..."yea, but he didn't go 2/4"...

It is just fun to remind him that Kobe actually went 3/8...and then all I hear after that are excuses...which is the very thing he accuses Lebron fans of.

Not the best game, but it is fun when I'm in certain moods.

[DMAVS41]

but three-peated

so achieved that peak level of dominance...

meanwhile, the "not 6, not 7" expectation turned into a bunch of excuses..

Lebron's entire career is an excuse - I don't know how he's even top 10


Oh, you rank him top 10 now?

[3ball]

[/B]

Oh, you rank him top 10 now?
I have him 16

[DMAVS41]

I have him 16

So why did you say "you don't know how he's top 10"????

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I have him 16

:oldlol:

You're reverse engineering an ANTI Kobe shtick.

I see you bud.

[3ball]

:oldlol:

You're doing a reverse-engineering, Anti Kobe shtick.

I see you bud.
I have him at 16; many others have him in the top 10

but you like acting autistic like you can't understand anything, so carry on..

[SouBeachTalents]

I have him at 16; many others have him in the top 10

but you like acting autistic like you can't understand anything, so carry on..
As do you

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13890094&postcount=16

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

I have him at 16; many others have him in the top 10

but you like acting autistic like you can't understand anything, so carry on..

We know.. You're repeating yourself.

Don't know why you're calling anyone "autistic" when you spam the board like a bot. Rehashing the same incoherent points and behaving like anyone here takes you seriously. You're a poster boy for mental health. You're literally a daily reminder of what a sorry motherfukker looks like.

Be grateful you have a platform to scribble your irrational trash, because if not for ISH you'd be wallowing in your shit and piss.

[DMAVS41]

As do you

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=13890094&postcount=16

So in the last month he's moved Lebron to 16 from 10 and Dirk from 24 to 10.

Seems like a ranking built on a solid foundation.

[3ball]

So in the last month he's moved Lebron to 16 from 10 and Dirk from 24 to 10.

Seems like a ranking built on a solid foundation.
A good goat list is fluid

Right now, I have Lebron at #16....

that's behind Dirk, Duncan, and many other guys with superior skillsets (skillsets that win more with less... aka better than the playground ball-dominator skillset that can't shoot)
.

[DMAVS41]

A good goat list is fluid

Right now, I have Lebron at #16....

that's behind Dirk, Duncan, and many other guys with superior skillsets (skillsets that win more with less... aka better than the playground ball-dominator skillset that can't shoot)
.

If you are moving established players around that much...you don't have any semblance of consistency in how you view or rank players.

[SouBeachTalents]

If you are moving established players around that much...you don't have any semblance of consistency in how you view or rank players.
Idk bruh, Dirk did do a lot to move up 15 spots post retirement in the last month

[RRR3]

Idk bruh, Dirk did do a lot to move up 15 spots post retirement in the last month
Heisenbron :roll:

[3ball]

Idk bruh, Dirk did do a lot to move up 15 spots post retirement in the last month
Dirk is tough to rank

- made 3 Finals (aka beat the West 3 times, just like Lebron)
- destroyed Lebron heads-up
- overcame the biggest talent deficit ever
- better skills than Lebron (goat shooter and he can get elite stats while playing championship brand of ball)
- would've won 5+ rings with wade/bosh and kyrie/love**
- dragged a fringe all-star to 67 wins in the West



** probably the biggest argument over bron
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[Spurs m8]

Lol LeClutch gets a top 3 big in the league and somehow we deserve to give LeClutch praise if the guy is performing hahahha

OP is a fvcking loser

[knicksman]

lebron is now desperate that hes willing to be a 2nd option aka playing like magic. If this is prime lebron, I doubt he would want someone outshine him. And thats the problem with him. Hes not a 1st option but wants to be credited as 1 thats why I dont think hes a top 10 player. Hes just not worth building around. And the result speaks for itself. No GM would pick top 10 as his building core who needs superteams and 2 of the luckiest shot in history to win in this league. Dirk for example is a better player to build around.

[LAmbruh]

ouch

[FireDavidKahn]

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[tpols]

The main beef on Lebron is lack of fit with post up bigs and ball dominant non shooter guards. AD is a face up big. David Robinson type but more alpha and aggressive scoring the rock.

[FireDavidKahn]

The main beef on Lebron is lack of fit with post up bigs and ball dominant non shooter guards. AD is a face up big. David Robinson type but more alpha and aggressive scoring the rock.

Now he's trying to justify his horrible take.

:roll:

LeFam stays winning

:hammertime::hammertime::hammertime:

[LAmbruh]

Now he's trying to justify his horrible take.



LeFam stays winning

:hammertime::hammertime::hammertime:

can't make this shit up :oldlol:


W's on W's on W's bois :pimp:

[Phoenix]

The main beef on Lebron is lack of fit with post up bigs and ball dominant non shooter guards. AD is a face up big. David Robinson type but more alpha and aggressive scoring the rock.

What 'alpha' ability did he display before arriving on the Lakers? The guy had like 2 playoff runs before this season and played his way out of NO. AD is an alpha *talent* with beta intangibles. He's in an ideal situation now, just play his game.

[LAmbruh]

What 'alpha' ability did he display before arriving on the Lakers? The guy had like 2 playoff runs before this season and played his way out of NO. AD is an alpha *talent* with beta intangibles. He's in an ideal situation now, just play his game.

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[tpols]

What 'alpha' ability did he display before arriving on the Lakers? The guy had like 2 playoff runs before this season and played his way out of NO. AD is an alpha *talent* with beta intangibles. He's in an ideal situation now, just play his game.

AD was literally deep in the playoffs just 2 years ago. With Rondo. lmao.

This current team would be like if Lebron team hopped to New Orleans when they were already a playoff team. It's a ready made 2v1 situation.

[tpols]

And AD's playoff numbers have always been elite.

You just don't win titles often in this league with a 2nd option like Jrue Holiday. Jrue is a good baller for sure... but he isn't Anthony Davis.

[RRR3]

AD was literally deep in the playoffs just 2 years ago. With Rondo. lmao.

This current team would be like if Lebron team hopped to New Orleans when they were already a playoff team. It's a ready made 2v1 situation.
There is no one outside of the top 2 close to Holiday or Mirotic on this Lakers team. Nice try.

[1987_Lakers]

AD was literally deep in the playoffs just 2 years ago. With Rondo. lmao.

This current team would be like if Lebron team hopped to New Orleans when they were already a playoff team. It's a ready made 2v1 situation.

You call a 2nd round exit a "deep" playoff run? :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

AD was literally deep in the playoffs just 2 years ago. With Rondo. lmao.

This current team would be like if Lebron team hopped to New Orleans when they were already a playoff team. It's a ready made 2v1 situation.

Winning in the 1st round and losing in the 2nd round is a "deep playoff run" :roll: Stop posting Daffy Duck whack asss

[tpols]

A 2nd round exit is exactly what the 6 ring Dynasty Bulls were without MJ.

But AD is easily better than Pippen.

Do you fellas want to just deny truth?

[1987_Lakers]

A 2nd round exit is exactly what the 6 ring Dynasty Bulls were without MJ.

But AD is easily better than Pippen.

Do you fellas want to just deny truth?

Pippen made it to the conference finals without MJ, MJ never made it past the 1st round without Pip.

No Pip, no chip.

[TheCorporation]

No Pip, no chip.

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[LBJFTW]

I have him 16

Big lebron fan here.

I have him ranked correctly.

MJ
KAJ
Magic
Bird
Duncan
Wilt
Russell
Oscar
Kobe
Lebron

[Indian guy]

I love how thoroughly LeBron's disproven this myth.

Supposedly couldn't win with other ball-dominant players because of his own ball dominance. What does he do? Wins 3 rings with Wade and Kyrie.

Then it suddenly became all about how he marginalized talented bigs because Bosh/Love weren't producing like #1 options in 3rd option roles :rolleyes:. LeBron's response? 4 wins away from title with AD, who has been statistically dominant all year.

[FireDavidKahn]

I love how thoroughly LeBron's disproven this myth.

Supposedly couldn't win with other ball-dominant players because of his own ball dominance. What does he do? Wins 3 rings with Wade and Kyrie.

Then it suddenly became all about how he marginalized talented bigs because Bosh/Love weren't producing like #1 options in 3rd option roles :rolleyes:. LeBron's response? 4 wins away from title with AD, who has been statistically dominant all year.

LeHaters are constantly like

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[TheCorporation]

I love how thoroughly LeBron's disproven this myth.

Supposedly couldn't win with other ball-dominant players because of his own ball dominance. What does he do? Wins 3 rings with Wade and Kyrie.

Then it suddenly became all about how he marginalized talented bigs because Bosh/Love weren't producing like #1 options in 3rd option roles :rolleyes:. LeBron's response? 4 wins away from title with AD, who has been statistically dominant all year.

Wins on top of wins

LeBron is top 1

[Phoenix]

AD was literally deep in the playoffs just 2 years ago. With Rondo. lmao.

This current team would be like if Lebron team hopped to New Orleans when they were already a playoff team. It's a ready made 2v1 situation.

The 2nd round hardly qualifies as 'deep' in the playoffs. One other run of getting bounced in the first round. I'm still waiting for anything that suggests he is an 'alpha' version of David Robinson when the best player he played with before Duncan was who? Sean Elliott? Good player but come on now.

[GrayGoat]

AD, and spot up shooters Dwight and Rondo ;)

[3ball]

The 2nd round hardly qualifies as 'deep' in the playoffs. One other run of getting bounced in the first round. I'm still waiting for anything that suggests he is an 'alpha' version of David Robinson when the best player he played with before Duncan was who? Sean Elliott? Good player but come on now.
AD was running into the warriors in the 2nd round, while lebron wasn't facing them until the Finals, where he lost to the warriors much worse than AD did

People forget that all Western teams outperformed lebron's Cavs against the 18' Warriors - lebron/love were swept by record amount, while AD /Rondo took a game off the KD warriors

The fact that AD was in the West and lebron in the East makes a difference.. and that's why winning the whole thing matters, so the Finals-appearance wasn't conference-dependant

[3BallSucks]

How mad are you right now, 3ball?

[Rickage]

So much hate why can’t people just enjoy greatness?

[Manny98]

Another narrative destroyed

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[DMAVS41]

would you give MJ any respect if he won rings by teaming up with Hakeem?

Ignoring that the most important aspect of evaluating a player is their level of play....then analyzing how they performed and team performed in a specific circumstance as a reflection of how good they are. You have it backwards, but ignoring that...

Why the hell should we give any respect to Kobe or Shaq for how they won most of their rings? It was even more unfair from 00-02. Most of the other best players in the league didn't have much help at all during that run. They beat maybe one historically noteworthy team in that stretch in the 02 Kings...and should have lost if not for probably the most absurd officiating of all time?

Why give either of them any respect? Because they could beat an old Pacers team? Iverson with nobodies? Jason Kidd with nobodies?

On your logic...those titles are worthless.

[DMAVS41]

A 2nd round exit is exactly what the 6 ring Dynasty Bulls were without MJ.

But AD is easily better than Pippen.

Do you fellas want to just deny truth?

I'd rather build my franchise around Davis...and I do think he's better than Pippen in both the lead role and 2nd best guy role. But easily better than Pippen as the running mate? Nah, you aren't giving enough credit to Pippen. He thrived in that role next to Jordan and was absolutely great.

You do this with Pau as well...saying things like "0-12" in the playoffs without Kobe. Who cares about that when he was leading a team to nearly 50 wins a couple times that wasn't even that good...then got put in an optimal role in which he was able to flourish in.

Regardless, I'd like you to reflect now on all the arguments we've all had about how titles won is not a great way to rank players. You are literally saying all the things that everyone said about Kobe. What is worse for you though...is that Lebron's level of play is way higher than Kobe and he's winning titles as the best player. Yet you and the other Kobe fans go on and on about 5 rings...and don't want to ever account for the fact that they played average competition outside of 1 or 2 teams in a 3 year span...and Kobe had peak Shaq.

Do you not see how stupid it is to hold those two opinions?

How about you stop denying the truth and just admit that all of your Kobe ring arguments fail because of what you are saying now.

And you'll likely be on here making excuses when Giannis wins on a better team in the future...etc...etc....etc. Winning doesn't make a guy better. It is a reflection of their level of play and circumstances. It matters, and it reveals things about players, but you are absolutely right to point out that pairing up two top 5 or so players in the league and winning is not surprising at all. I just wish you could see that for everyone and not just Lebron.

[Phoenix]

AD was running into the warriors in the 2nd round, while lebron wasn't facing them until the Finals, where he lost to the warriors much worse than AD did

People forget that all Western teams outperformed lebron's Cavs against the 18' Warriors - lebron/love were swept by record amount, while AD /Rondo took a game off the KD warriors

The fact that AD was in the West and lebron in the East makes a difference.. and that's why winning the whole thing matters, so the Finals-appearance wasn't conference-dependant

I'm aware that the Pelicans took a game off the Warriors but the Cavs didn't in 2018. My point is regardless of who we're talking about, I would never put 2nd round and 'deep playoff' run in the same sentence. It's certainly not evidence that he was an 'alpha' version of David Robinson ( Tpols' argument) as if he never made it past the first round ( and I say that aware that Admiral relatively underperformed in the playoffs compared to the regular season, it's just an odd argument to make). AD has only made the playoffs 3 times in his career, this year would be the first 'deep' run he's actually had.

[Trollsmasher]

imagine lebronball with a talented big AND good spot up shooter next year:bowdown:

get it done, Rob

[And1AllDay]

According to a list you posted and have argued for...

MJ had 4 of the 10 most talented teams in NBA history for 4 of his rings.

:confusedshrug:

And, the one time he played another team on that list (95 Magic)...he got abused.

Goodness