What would a prime manu Ginobili do in hardens place?

[Bronbron23]

I always thought manu could of been insane stats wise on a team where he was the man. Skill snd athleticism wise he was alot like harden. What kind of numbers does manu put up in this era in a d'antoni like system?

[ImKobe]

He was more skilled than Harden & Doncic, so about 30+/7/12 on 60+%TS.

[bigkingsfan]

He wouldn't last in a d'antoni like system.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Manu is one of the most skilled and underappreciated players.

He'd be better in certain aspects like defense. Maybe passing too (timely assists, less turnovers etc).

Harden is clearly the better scorer though. Better shooter and overall tougher to stop in the triple threat. Beside being more injury prone, the gap in their offense is why Manu would be worse in Harden's place. Successful? Sure. Just not the same impact Harden's gained.

[Bankaii]

He was more skilled than Harden & Doncic, so about 30+/7/12 on 60+%TS.
Are all your posts borderline autistic?
Seriously every single one I see from you screams retard.

[FKAri]

He'd get hurt.

[brooks_thompson]

I admit (you have to) he didn

[Wally450]

He was more skilled than Harden & Doncic, so about 30+/7/12 on 60+%TS.

lol

[Bronbron23]

He wouldn't last in a d'antoni like system.
Why?

[Bronbron23]

lol
I dont know about more skilled but you dont think manu was as skilled as those guys?

[SouBeachTalents]

He was more skilled than Harden & Doncic, so about 30+/7/12 on 60+%TS.
We really just giving him a 30/12 average :oldlol:

[MrFonzworth]

He was more skilled than Harden & Doncic, so about 30+/7/12 on 60+%TS.
This.

[yeaaaman]

We really just giving him a 30/12 average :oldlol:

Sure that's a lot but what do you think he would average?

[SouBeachTalents]

Sure that's a lot but what do you think he would average?
That's tough to say bruh. He was already playing limited minutes back then, hardly ever averaging 30 a night, and now players minutes get restricted much more than they did back then. If we're giving him the green light, I could see him average around 25-27 per game in this era, with about 6-7 dimes a night.

What about you?

[tpols]

He's too fragile... harden has legendary health man. he never gets hurt.

[Manny98]

He doesn't have the motor to do what Harden does every night

[rmt]

Manu would get injured frequently, and he takes FOREVER to get back into rhythm.

[Wally450]

I dont know about more skilled but you dont think manu was as skilled as those guys?

He's a skilled as they come, but I don't think he would average 30/12

[yeaaaman]

That's tough to say bruh. He was already playing limited minutes back then, hardly ever averaging 30 a night, and now players minutes get restricted much more than they did back then. If we're giving him the green light, I could see him average around 25-27 per game in this era, with about 6-7 dimes a night.

What about you?

Well like you said it's hard to say. He played a specific role on the Spurs but if we're assuming he's playing in the D'antoni Rockets system he could surely put up some great numbers in todays NBA.

I mean Manu's per 36 numbers in his best year were pretty much equal to Hardens his first year in HOU, which is the last time they were evne comparable in terms of shot attempts and minutes.

It really depends but people need to be consistent. If they dump on Nash and act like anyone could have done what he did because of D'antoni's system bringin up names like Chris Duhon and Jeremy Lin but act like nobody else could do what Harden's doing it's just being inconsistent. I don't think it would be a stretch to think that in the same role Manu couldn't put up 25-6-8 with todays play style if not more points.

[yeaaaman]

He doesn't have the motor to do what Harden does every night

He doesn't have the motor because he plays harder

[Bronbron23]

He's a skilled as they come, but I don't think he would average 30/12
Probably not. 28/7 is likely though

[Smoke117]

Ginobili has to be the player that gets overrated the most because of nostalgia.

[Bronbron23]

Ginobili has to be the player that gets overrated the most because of nostalgia.
Overrated? Dude has crazy skilled and had multiple chips and yet you never hear his name being mentioned as even a top 50. How is he overrated?

[bizil]

Manu's durablity was his BIGGEST shortcoming. That's the main reason why Pop brought him off the bench so often. It maxmized the healthy days that Manu would have. And the Spurs were such a great team that Pop could do that WHILE winning rings.

So in a ball dominant role with the Rockets, Manu flames out MUCH QUICKER! Literally from jump, Pop had his mind made up that the best use of Manu was off the bench. So it's hard to project what Manu could have done if he had the durability to be a workhorse out on the court. Harden is one of the top 5 SG's of all time peak-prime wise. Manu NEVER PROVED he was close to that caliber of player. Skill wise, one of the more skilled SG's ever. But DOMINANT WISE nowhere close to that type of level.

FOR ME, it's more interesting what Steph could do in that Dantoni system in place of Harden!!! The greatest shooter of all time having the rock in his hands THAT MUCH would likely be the perfect player for that system. His passing ability in particular would stand out much more. A lot of people don't realize how gifted a passer Steph is FROM A score first perspective. He's not a pass first guy. But among the score first players, he's actually one of the best passers in the league.

[LAL]

D'antoni is responsible for steve nash's 2 mvps, James harden and linsanity. Safe to say manu would've been a beast. But a popovic system and triangle are for winners that don't mind sacrificing stats for the coach and team.

[Phoenix]

I think he may max out at something like 25/8/5. That's a best case scenario. His issue isn't one of skills as much as durability. It's rarely discussed but Harden has played at least 72 games the last 7 full seasons (not including this one), playing 36-38 minutes as the defenses' primary target. Manu never had to bear the brunt of an opposing defense nor was he a heavy MPG guy under Pop (none of the big 3 were after 2010).

And really, it takes a certain mentality as a scorer that I don't think Manu adopts simply by being dropped into D'Anoni's system. You have to be cold and 'don't give a fu*k' ruthless to gun like Harden does. I do think Manu could assimilate much of Harden's facilitating but he ain't coming *close* to dropping his scoring numbers. As said above, you drop Steph in that system and his numbers would be interesting( at the start of last year he was doing like 34-35 on 70% TS or some crazy shit) but he also has the issue of durability. I don't especially care for Harden's style but the guy is resilient and durable.

[bizil]

I think he may max out at something like 25/8/5. That's a best case scenario. His issue isn't one of skills as much as durability. It's rarely discussed but Harden has played at least 72 games the last 7 full seasons (not including this one), playing 36-38 minutes as the defenses' primary target. Manu never had to bear the brunt of an opposing defense nor was he a heavy MPG guy under Pop (none of the big 3 were after 2010).

And really, it takes a certain mentality as a scorer that I don't think Manu adopts simply by being dropped into D'Anoni's system. You have to be cold and 'don't give a fu*k' ruthless to gun like Harden does. I do think Manu could assimilate much of Harden's facilitating but he ain't coming *close* to dropping his scoring numbers. As said above, you drop Steph in that system and his numbers would be interesting( at the start of last year he was doing like 34-35 on 70% TS or some crazy shit) but he also has the issue of durability. I don't especially care for Harden's style but the guy is resilient and durable.

Well said! IF Manu's durability was never a question, then Pop NO DOUBT would have been starting him with the Spurs. Manu ISN'T a Lou Will or Jamal Crawford type of player. He was much more of a total package. A guy who could play or defend three different positions at an elite level. And in terms of overall skill, didn't have really any holes in his game. His main problem was the durability issue.

IF Manu never had that issue, I could see 25/8/5 in Mike D's system. Manu wasn't quite the passer Nash was. So I don't see 10 dimes a night. And he's not as ball dominant as Harden. So I don't see 30 PPG-10 dime seasons like Harden put up in that system.

And Steph's durability COULD become a question in that system too. BUT the difference is Steph PROVED he was a two time superstar MVP putting up crazy numbers in GSW. Manu NEVER PROVED he was a dominant superstar level player. What makes Steph SO DEVASTATING is the EFFICIENCY he scores with. We are talking 50-40-90 type of potential. Who also has sick handles and a gifted passer! Steph would LITERALLY be like Nash on steroids in that system.

[superduper]

He doesn't have the motor to do what Harden does every night

This ***** just fking said Manu doesnt have motor

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[PP34Deuce]

Harden is one of the more solid built SG's we've seen.

Dude's hella solid.

[Phoenix]

And Steph's durability COULD become a question in that system too. BUT the difference is Steph PROVED he was a two time superstar MVP putting up crazy numbers in GSW. Manu NEVER PROVED he was a dominant superstar level player. What makes Steph SO DEVASTATING is the EFFICIENCY he scores with. We are talking 50-40-90 type of potential. Who also has sick handles and a gifted passer! Steph would LITERALLY be like Nash on steroids in that system.

That's pretty much it, there's no evidence of what Manu would have been as the unquestioned man on his team like Harden or Curry ( pre- Durant joining him), carrying the full load and team success on his shoulders, so we can only speculate and it does a disservice to guys like Harden and Curry who, as you say, are proven talents in that role.

[brooks_thompson]

Harden is one of the more solid built SG's we've seen.

Dude's hella solid.

Harden looks like your typical high school bus driver who works out every day then pounds 12-18 beers every night. He just happened to have incredible acceleration/deceleration and amazing coordination for the sport of basketball. He’s a marvel, honestly.

[stalkerforlife]

Manu highly underrated because he was such a dedicated team player.

It'd be interesting.

I think he could definitely average 30 in today's league on great efficiency.

[rmt]

This thread is kinda crazy - comparing a workhorse who brings it night after night, week after week, year after year averaging 37 mins for 8? years (with the defense focused on him) to someone who has averaged 30.3 and 31.1 minutes in his 2 highest minute years (without the defense focused mainly on him) and who is fragile and often injured.

[insidehoops]

Loved Ginobili, but in terms of creating buckets for himself and drawing help defenders he wasn't anything close to what Harden has been doing.

[Smook A.]

Manu wouldn't have the durability to last an entire season + playoffs as the main guy. He'd put up solid numbers, but nothing close to what Harden's been doing the last several years